Is pursuing you passion for your career bullshit?

>>16659241
Having the passion for certain things definitely motivates people to go the extra mile to succeed. However, the thing those books fail to address is that one has to be realistic about how far one's dream can go and be prepared to take multiple detours. But of course, the people who buy those self-improvement books want the easy, quick way out rather than, you know, trying hard and working within one's limits to build his or her life.

I believe you do need to follow your passion, but the catch is that you most likely won't know what that passion is until later on. When an 18 year old kid says they want to do music or whatever, that may be their passion right then, but at 28 there's a good chance their true life calling passion is something else. It took them maturing and getting life experience to figure out what they need and want to do.

If you can't decide what's right for you, get some work experience, live a little , meet a lot of people, form a lot of relationships. In time you'll find your knack.

>>16659251
Exactly! These people and books are just propagating bullshit as people's interests change over time and do not stay the same.
And really, all jobs are monotonous. It's not like I have anything else to say.

Fuck it, just pursue a career that you can stand that will earn you enough money + time to have a good life.

Passion jobs are just an excuse for industries to bleed you dry because "well it's your PASSION, right? So many other people would be thrilled for this opportunity! Why would you want more time off, isn't this your PASSION?"

It's a lie we tell ourselves because the fantasy of work that feels like play is enticing. But for the most part, it's just a fantasy.

Only follow any sort of passion if it already happens to be realistic, or if you would literally kill yourself if you had to spend your life doing anything else.
eg, a gigantic chunk of the population would probably enjoy acting well enough, but only a minuscule fraction of that number are actually necessary to keep the industry moving, the rest are just dead weight. So unless you need it to survive, fuck it, go get a normal job, there's no shame in any honest work. Better than being a chump getting people coffee for 16 hours a day for 15 years, getting treated and paid like a slave while telling yourself you're working your way up.

>>16659260
Agree. Fantasies are just fantasies.

Well, you're getting better at disguisem I'll give you that much. I actually had to read most of the way through your post before I recognized you this time.

But dammit, what is it going to take before you stop posting this same damn question every day? You've been doing this for at least two months, if I recall correctly. Don't you ever get bored?

Pursuing your passion for your career is not bullshit, per se, but it is very damgerous UNLESS there is no other way to practice it, and you have sufficiently strong outside interests that you will not fall into the trap of doing only one thing, AND you're talented enough at it to be extremely good at it even without devoting your every waking hour to practicing it. Most people would be better served by pursuing the thing they love second-most or third-most, provided that it would allow them to pursue their passion as a hobby. That is much more likely to keep them out of the monotony trap, which is extremely important, because a life where you do only one thing is the quickest path to burnout known to humanity.

>>16659589
I am better at writing than what other anons think.
See? Even you agree with me.

>>16659675
>I am better at writing than what other anons think.
Really? I have a lot of trouble when it comes to repeating myself, but I've got nothing on you.

>See? Even you agree with me.
I wouldn't say that. There are some vague similarities between our conclusions, but out reasoning could hardly be more different. Your arguments generally boil down to "it's normal to hate your job, so pick something with low stress and high pay, and brace for a 40+-year grind". My arguments go more along the lines of "Burnout is disastrous for the human psyche, so you need to arrange the things you do in ways that avoid it, and the best way to do that is to do more than one thing; for that reason, it is better for your passion to be something OTHER than your job, though your job still needs to be something you enjoy".

Even out conclusions aren't all that similar. You assign little or no value to enjoying what you do: for you, it's all about stable, lucrative work. By cobtrast, even though I say that your job should be the thing you enjoy second-most, I nevertheless place great value on enjoying your work. I disagree with the "follow your passion" folks, but my departure from their philosophy is not particularly radical, whereas you are almost diametrically opposed to it.

>>16659736
Really all jobs are become monotonous over time. It doesn't matter if it is related to your interests or not so you might as well find one which pays well/is stable. Also, all jobs have workplace politics.

>>16659675
You are not as smart as you think.

>>16659805
Prove me wrong that. For example, >>16659736
shares the perspective that people will be burned out eventually.

Lots of good points brought up in this post. I have been actively pursuing my passion for 5 years now.

By all accounts I am successful in it. I make great money, and I am the final say in everything. However, when I decided to be my own boss, I didn't realize that I had to be THE BOSS. I'm harder on myself than ever before, and I have more personal accountability/responsibility than I originally imagined. It can be stressful at times, yet very comforting knowing that I am on the chosen path.

I say pursue your dreams, just know that it's a commitment like any other. Just a more worthy commitment.

>>16659815
If you were smart, you would not create these pointless threads over and over again.

>>16659848
None of the answers I got were satisfactory. Surely being a government employee is better than pursuing your passion? Government employees have stable, well-paid jobs and you can just use the cash to finance your hobbies.

>>16659860
You are here simply to try to get someone to say what you want to hear. By "satisfactory" you mean you want people to admire your teenage self for your superior intellect.

Not gonna happen. Know when to give up.

>>16659894
Well, do you agree that government jobs are the best? I am leaving interests whatsoever at the side.

>>16659994
For some people. Not my thing. I like being in a company where I have upwards mobility.

>>16660011
Don't you think a hard to be fired from job is the best though?
And if you think upward mobility is important, why didn't you think it is ridiculous for a lawyer or engineer to become a teacher. Teachers don't have much room for career advancement.

>>16660066
I'm a skilled specialist. I can always find work. Everyone values different things.

The only thing ridiculous here is you posting these threads. What do YOU want to be when you grow up?

>>16660293
>a skilled specialist
Yeah you are a specialist. Makes no sense for someone to pursue non-specialist degrees such as Music, Anthropology and Physics.

>>16660314
I have a physics degree, kiddo. Seriously, why do you keep starting these threads when you clearly don't have the slightest idea what degrees and careers are all about?

>>16660343
Physics is not a specilaist degree. Degrees which lead to a license such as Enggineering and Law are specialist degrees. My parents would agree with me.

>>16660354
Then your parents are dumb, and you are dumb for agreeing with them. Did you even take physics in high school? Do you even know what physics is?

>>16660375
I didn't take Physics.
Spacialist work requires a license so other workers with similar degrees cannot compete with you for jobs.

>>16660403
I am a specialist because of unique skills, not because of some certificate.

>>16659815
>For example, >>16659736 #
>shares the perspective that people will be burned out eventually.
If, and only if, they fall into the trap of doing only one thing. Don't put words in my mouth.

>>16659241

Pursue your passion and keep your dream alive, but do it on the side and keep your day job.

For example, let's say your passion is writing fiction. The WRONG way to pursue it is to quit your job to dedicate yourself to writing your break-out novel. It's very difficult even with talent to get your book selling, and you might even fail to write the damn thing. The RIGHT way would be to write in your spare time; it might take longer, but you're not risking everything on the lotto of personal talent and consumer marketing and whatnot. Being able to take your time with it will let you develop your skills, connections, and so on as well.

That, and asking yourself how good you really are at your passion and whether people will pay good money for it. Realism is important.

The Element is not just about this, it's a brilliant book that talks about the education system and other topics.

Go back to your "PLEASE AGREE WITH ME 4CHAN" cave.

EDIT: Fuck I feel like I'm feeding a troll but whatever, let's go.

You just called Ken Robinson and some other well respected people money hungry whores

Your argument is essentially:

1. Some athletes mess up their knee early in their career
2. Therefore nobody should pursue professional athleticism
3. It's like winning the lottery anyway, right?

Go fuck yourself OP.

>>16661587
Yeah I agree.
>>16661669
I am focusing on the careers part. Don't you agree with >>16661587 ?
>>16661679
Athletes who screwed up their knees are the minority, similar to atheletes who became rich or could make a living based on what they do.
A lot of authors write books to get cash.

ITT: not everyone will agree with me so if I keep asking the same question over and over, eventually they will, even if just to shut me up

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>>16659241

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I'll put in my two cents.

I just turned 23, and since I was 17 I was pursuing my "passion" or something. I felt bad because I've never really found my passion in a novel way. I'm okay at academics but not great, and I'm okay at some creative things but I realized quickly I wouldn't want to push for a career in the arts.

The thing is, I don't think it's about passion as much as it is seeing where your values and morals line up. I work now at a job and feel happy there not because I'm passionate or something, but because I feel like my values align with the work. If I were working for Monsanto or like some nefarious tech company, I'd feel really unhappy. I think that it's not about pursuing passion, but recognizing the values you have and where you want to be in your life. Like, at your core, who are you and what do you believe?

Relationships are also a huge factor for me. I think you just have to start being honest with yourself. Like, yeah, if you have a passion I obviously think you should go for it. But if you don't have that specified calling, you shouldn't feel bad and you need to think hard about who you are and what you believe.

If this isn't an option for personal or situational reasons, I think you just have to bite the bullet and really realize that in the end it's not about what you do, but what you are being while you are doing it. This sort of goes back to values. I think in the end, you can choose to put a big fat smile on your face no matter what or not. You can also choose to be sad or treat others poorly depending on external factors.

In response to the original poster's statement, I think that it's half true and half not. I think that many people who are passionate about their career transcend the work aspect. I think that for one reason or another though, a lot of people don't have the luxury of following their passion. And that's okay and doesn't make anyone any better than anyone else.

>>16662323
It's more than six.

>>16662418
It's way more than that. I see him on other boards.

>>16662297
Welcome to /adv/. Many post in hopes for an echo chamber that will give them the dumb answer they want.

>>16662508
Yeah but most of them are smart enough to fuck off after the third thread.

>>16662515
Still so many posters...

Look you guys are tards.

You get money an all right job you can bare.
(Accounting,engineer, stem)

Then you save up some bank and work on your passion.

Oh noes to many hours

You work less boom.

Find a new job with less hours then you work on your passion.

50 k for a single man is a life of luxury if you know how to save some cash

The main issue is that people try to make what they think is there passion there job when they don't really know what they want.

When will you stop posting this thread?

>>16661587
This, follow your dreams and talent but don't expect immediate, miraculous results.