This is a general about slave trainer games and the creation of games where you play as a male and dominate women. Discussion about games not being created here is also acceptable as long as it's related to the topic at hand(ie playing a male and dominating women).
If you're working on a game and want to list a pastebin here speak up please.
Major Versions of the game (BT is necessary for mods):Silver edition and Russian edition are the most active
Each of these is a standalone game, not a mod for any of the others. BASICALLY the links to download the games are in this pastebin.
Maverick wrote a guide for scripting. Shows how to write/structure scenes for coders. Good for idea-guys & script-writers:
Info on character generators:
Links to other games
Rogue-like by Oni
Witch trainer dress up thing(back by popular demand)
Korra Trainer/Breaking Bat/Incredibles trainer/Tifa trainer/Momcest trainer/Ben ten trainer/(Anon projects not related to Witch Trainer)
Contact info for major contributors:
Report & ignore shitposters, people that scream proxyfag/samefag/waifu/waifufag, people that post beast and hamplanet attention whores
What is a decent time for a game to last?
>Less than 100 days
>365 days (1 year)
>1 Year +
Argument for less time: "Don't waste everyone's time."
Argument for more time: "Get more attached to the characters."
let it run forever but make it so that all the content can be seen in a reasonable time-frame (IRL)
in other words i dont want to spend more than maybe 6 hours whit a game of this type, and that is stretching it.
ok, lads who've played the russian mod, a few questions
does the tutoring thing run alongside the original points for griffindor thing or in place of it/prelude to it
9000 gold what the fuck even
what bird do
that blond chick with the zombie-looking chibi, can we just ignore her
>"At 9:36pm (CST) January 6, 2016 we were notified via Patreon, that we have 48 hrs to take down all content containing Warner Bros properties. Also subsequently we were warned by Patreon that all properties that are not owned (100%) by us must also be removed. I also want to inform all of you that this was always a potential risk we took. Although we hoped to have a fully functioning copy in the hands of the community by the end of March, we now have to scrap Injustice. I also want to say that this isn't the end of us. I want to thank all of you for your support over that last several months of development and growth of our Patreon.
>I want you all to know that we were in the planning stages of moving away from copyrighted material as early as May. The plan being to slowly integrated original content with our regular release schedule. We had hoped that we could continue on this path well into early 2017 where would would launch a completely new project 100% owned by us. Due to the above mentioned DCMA violation the final vision of this plan has to be moved up 15 months. Due to this fact there will be a complete change and overhaul to the distribution on all platforms, along with the kind of content distributed. What I'm trying to say is don't worry we had a plan (rough idea) and now we just need to move way faster and earlier than expected.
>Over the next week I will be in constant communication with all of you on Patreon. Sunset (who is in charge of creation/ and content) has already began the process on his side. With Sunset's amazing artistic talents I am excited to see what he can bring to you guys. I ask that you remain patient during the next week to see what we have been planning for all of you. Although this is an unfortunate event we are going to grow and evolve. Stay tuned for more info tomorrow.
A C&D is not worth the paper it's typed on, frankly. But SR7 didn't get a C&D, Patreon did, and they're complying probably without hesitation. If the C&D came to SR7 directly he would be wise to wipe his ass with it because:
1. Injustice wasn't for sale. It's hard to argue that someone is profiting off of your copyrighted works when they aren't directly making a dime off any product featuring your characters. Connecting the dots from 'no copied or extracted work' -> 'free game' -> 'patreon bux' is way too broad for any C&D to cover. You'd likely need to get a judge to push an injunction to stop distribution of the game, and that's clearly not what occurred.
2. This shit has already been settled. A company made and sold Star Ballz, a direct porn parody of Star Wars and successfully defended it against LucasArts. It's a precedent that the American Bar lists in their documents on fair use, so it's very well established law. Their "parody" was very over the top with penis troopers, etc. But that's enough of a precedent that makes most porn versions of IP's fairly safe from legal takedowns.
Patreon has threatened SR7's subscriptions because they are the ones that don't want to stand up to a WB C&D. Why is Patreon so easily bending to the whims of some separate corporation? Who knows, but I would guess they want to pretend to respect copyright complaints just out of sheer fear and because they don't have the budget that Google has to laugh in these people's faces.
Unfortunately, there's no successful alternative to Patreon currently. Shit like Offbeatr is a mess and not worth even considering, besides they would probably crumple under a takedown notice as well. As such, the truth, as many people have said, is that OC DonutSteels are a much safer bet. Even just palette swaps and name changes would have helped him duck some of the charge, but calling the characters by their trade names and matching the source material's style so effectively became the work's downfall.
I just wanted to say what a fucking blessing Witch Trainer is. Downloaded it over the holidays and it fucking changed my life.
Honestly, I didn't think I could get into it that much but somehow it hit all the right buttons. I'm a bit older (>30) so I wasn't actually fapping that much anymore. But with this game, five times on the first day. Didn't even think that was possible above teenage. It fucking revived my libido by 20 years or so. Holy shit, I fap to this two times a day and still fuck my wife with renew vigour. And the orgasms, they're like 10 times stronger than normal as well. Seriously, this is somehow my fetish. Man I can't wait for the new game to come out. Love those Russian guys.
Dunno if I believe SR7. Sets a bad precedent for Patreon, doesn't it? If getting your OC out of porn is as easy as sending a C&D, then game over for anyone the man picks on. Maybe because he was copying the art style, yeah.
I'm sure not gonna poke at it unless they start picking on me, but I'd like to see confirmation and a deeper explanation from Patreon before I really start worrying.
If that is confirmed could be the end of Patreon.
I dunno if normal artists make the same money as the adult art&game guys, and a lot of adult artists are into porn parodies of copyrighted material.
its not SR7 themselves, but patreon. Patreon doesn't want trouble so they just asked for DC stuff to be taken down. If SR7 doesn't comply, patreon will close their page down.
I'm just hoping SR7 sets that website they were talking about up so they can move on with it
I think SR7 will probably pussy out and halt all projects, even his pinups he does for Hentai-Foundry.
GRANTED a lot of artist over on Hentai-Foundry use Paetron as a way to make a income. If this goes through we could see a shift or drastic collapse of porn artist being paid to some extent.
He has a large amount of fans, I'm sure if he moved to a website and had a tip jar and claimed it was free DC couldn't do aynthing. I mean, out of all the things Paetron freaks out about it's SR7's project. What about Roguelike or the thousand of other porn artist doing parody porn?
FUUUUCK THAT IS THE ONE GAME I ACTUALLY WANT TO BE COMPLETED
STILL BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE THESE THREADS SHIT OUT
NOTHING EVER FINISHES
Wait what the shit?
He isn't explicitly selling the product to damage their brand, Sunset rider can just basically say that this is his own project that he's doing for himself and his supporters on patreon are just paying to view the progress he has on his own project
So basically non-profit
Is Patreon fucked?
This is the same tier as some faggot putting a claim on youtube
I wonder if he'll even do his Jan 29th update now.
Welp fuck, I was really looking forward to it too. Outside of Oni's Rogue-like, SR7 seemed like a good guy that kept to working hard. While people like Akabur are scratching their asses doing nothing and not getting any kind of threats.
There are some people talking over on Hentai-Foundry at the moment and "supposedly" SR7 is grabbing his cash and going dark.
Honestly, I wonder how much steam this is going to get overall for the larger picture. This could actually spiral out of control. From some artist trying to make a fun game to impacting the entirety of Paetron.
He's basically creating a parody of warner brother material not to mention he does not explicitly sell the product which can be easily argued in court
But the fact that it was sent to patreon and not sunset directly is the weird part. Either way if I were him I would pay that 2-3k to get a lawyer and at least consult or even sue patreon for this shit
1. "For sale" have NOTHING to do with copyright law. I have no idea why people keep trying to promote that meme. Releasing something for free is EXACTLY as legal or illegal as selling it for thousands of dollars, the distinction is in the content itself, not in how much money you make off of it.
2. It might be possible to defend these things in court, but you would have to do so, spending thousands of dollars on legal fees against million dollar lawyers. Regardless of the merits, it wouldn't likely go well.
Really, I think that what probably got Injustice in trouble is that they were dumb enough to give it the same name as the officially licensed fighting game and comic series "Injustice." Legally, that's a relatively minor distinction, perhaps, but it would attract a lot more attention if people searching for the fighting game kept getting links to the porn game.
The point is that you have to defend that. Patreon sure as fuck isn't going to provide a lawyer so it falls to SR7 to defend himself in court. Doing so would drain him of all the money he has made and will make from this game. There is 0 chance of it costing "2-3k".
You're going up against a million dollar legal teams who know how much you make and will just drag out the trial until you are bankrupt.
>courts aren't dumb
It doesn't matter how dumb or not they are, most of the things that SR7 is doing falls under fair use
1. The content is for a noncommercial purpose, such as he does not explicitly sell the content but rather take donations for the continued work of his own project, which is what patreon is founded on unlike other websites like Kickstarter which explicitly state that they will sell the product when it gets made
2. The nature of the work is set in Fiction which allows for the merit of
" facts and ideas are not protected by copyright—only their particular expression or fixation merits such protection."
3. If he can prove that
"The less that is used in relation to the whole, the more likely the use will be considered fair."
4.IF the game like injustice can harm warner brothers as a whole brand
From what I can see This whole fucking DCMA has no grounds is liable to counter suit
have you ever gone outside
Who the fuck brings million dollar lawyers to a fucking DCMA case
Most faggots will do it pro-bono to get some fucking reconingation
Am I really the only law student on this fucking board?
Because it's not Sunset who got it sent to him directly, it's Patreon
Legally you can wipe your ass with a *DMCA sorry for the earlier misspelling, But since it's patreon who is asking him to do it, then his case is with patreon and not warner brothers
If you hire a lawyer with intent to sue, most of them wave legal fee's until after the case is done, and again most lawyers don't take a case until they can see if they have a chance to win
I'm not sure which state SR7 is in but i'm 99% positive that most of them follow the same basis as most lawyers and follow along the same guidelines
>then his case is with patreon
Patreon can do whatever the fuck they like. You aren't entitled to use their service.
"Patreon.com may terminate or suspend your right to use the Service at anytime for any or no reason by providing you with written or email notice of such termination, and termination will be effective immediately upon delivery of such notice."
It's like trying to sue google because they banned your account.
Where did you get that info from?
" Patreon.com does not have control over the quality, timing, legality, failure to provide, or any other aspect whatsoever of any ratings provided by Users, Content provided by Users, nor of the integrity, responsibility or any of the actions or omissions whatsoever of any Users. Patreon.com does not have control over the quality, timing or legality of Content delivered by its Users. Patreon.com makes no representations about the suitability, reliability, timeliness, or accuracy of the Content requested and provided by Users identified through the Service whether in public, private, or offline interactions. Patreon.com cannot confirm that each User is who they claim to be. Patreon.com does not assume any responsibility for the accuracy or reliability of this information or any information provided through the Service."
>most of the things that SR7 is doing falls under fair use
As you point out here: >>306282 I don't think Patreon gives a shit.
Item 15 is where Patreon declares their intention to take down any infringing works. So all WB had to do was take one screenshot of Injustice, type up an email saying "we own this IP, take it down" and Patreon sends SR7 an ultimatum.
>Include enough information to allow Patreon.com to locate the material, and explain why you think an infringement has taken place;
Notice that in no way is Patreon asking complaints to include why they feel the work isn't covered as fair use, parody, or satire. They are basically saying "if you think we should take shit down, just drop us a line and we'll do it."
SR7 used DC characters, the WB DC animation style, the game name "Injustice" just to start. While I still feel he could beat a direct D&C, in this instance he would be fighting Patreon, not WB. And Patreon believes they have the right to terminate for any reason, so any arguments are going to fall on deaf ears I'm sure.
'Never' put the name of the product your parodying in your title.
The word "Rogue" is vague enough that it doesn't infringe, but you could argue that Injustice is, seeing as there's a game with the same name (you don't want the porn parody to show up if you google "Injustice Game"). This would harm the brand and can therefor be used in court.
Call it "Hero Trainer" instead. That's vague enough.
I mean he could argue breach of contract since at one point patreon states that they have no control over the content produced by it's users unless they violate specific copyright law but since it's basically free use they have no grounds to close him, but yea you are right that some dickhead at WB saw the name injustice and just sent out a claim because that's all he does all day
And patreon being a small company would rather take the hit then wave off this youtube-tier flag
Fucking sucks man
Sorry, no. "Fair use" has nothing to do with money. If it is fair use, then you can give it away for free or charge for it, and it's equally fine. If it's not fair use, then you can charge for it or give it away for free, and it's equally a problem. The fair use provisions have nothing to do with monetary gain.
Saying you're not responsible for the content produced by your users does not grant you any legal rights what-so-ever if you're thrown a takedown request. It's just a legal thing to protect them from getting sued. It doesn't protect you as a user. They're essentially saying "We harbor content, but we don't make it."
But if they refuse to take down content, they can be sued for being accessories to infringement.
You could bet that if someone like sakimi gets an infringement complaint patreon will work quite a bit harder in getting things sorted before sending her an ultimatum. But then, they're making 5% off her $50,000 per month so they'd be less interested in shutting her off for no reason.
My advice is that you need to stick to "Super Mom" as a title, think up a slightly different name for all your characters, and change the incredibles logo enough that it wouldn't reasonably pass for Disney IP. Better safe than sorry. In fact, the logo is probably where you're most vulnerable because its the most obvious icon they could point to for a copyright claim.
There's no grounds for a countersuit, at least not one that he could win. While it's possible that he could beat the DMCA challenge itself in court (though unlikely given the unbalanced legal teams), they had every right to bring the DMCA in the first place, so there's no way he could get compensatory damages.
This topic was already done
But fuck you
"To decide whether it’s a fair use, the effect on the market must be taken into consideration along with the other three factors: amount used, for what purpose, and the nature of the work."
EFFECT ON THE MARKET IS LITERALLY ONE OF THE FOUR DEFENSE'S IN FAIR USE
>Legally you can wipe your ass with a *DMCA sorry for the earlier misspelling, But since it's patreon who is asking him to do it, then his case is with patreon and not warner brothers
He has no case against Patreon, they can dump him at a moment's notice, it's their service.
>I mean he could argue breach of contract since at one point patreon states that they have no control over the content produced by it's users unless they violate specific copyright law but since it's basically free use they have no grounds to close him, but yea you are right that some dickhead at WB saw the name injustice and just sent out a claim because that's all he does all day
It's two legal positions that you're conflating. Patreon tells the artists "we can cut you at any time, so don't give us reason to," and then they tell outsiders "we have no responsibility for anything that happens on our site." What that basically means is, if they do get stuck in a court costs where some company sues Patreon, they can rightly claim that they don't police the content on the site themselves, but if they do see reason to police the site, they have every right to do so.
Im on the team. I won't talk to much here as we haven't informed other users on our other platforms. I have talked extensively with SR7 and I can assure you we aren't going anywhere (no need for speculation). Things will be changing on our end. Injustice is on the shelf for now. We are focused on getting a project running on Patreon first then we can move resources towards the potential finsihing of injustice (or unjustice now). There will be more news tomorrow.
ironic shitposting aside, the incredibles logo could be converted from an "i" to an exclamation point pretty easily and it would not only look stylish but beat copyright claims as well.
I'd say swap the palette to a nice neutral blue just to be on the safe side, but that's comically already taken.
Theoretically, work on "notjustice" can continue as long as none of it shows up on Patreon, right? They can't threaten to close your account if WB can't point to any infringing work appearing on Patreon.
It would probably also be smart to take any Patreon links/references off the game as well so the two aren't connected in any way.
>"To decide whether it’s a fair use, the effect on the market must be taken into consideration along with the other three factors: amount used, for what purpose, and the nature of the work."
>EFFECT ON THE MARKET IS LITERALLY ONE OF THE FOUR DEFENSE'S IN FAIR USE
Yes, but monetary gain has nothing to do with "effect on the market." The effect would be in distribution, and in how well it competes with other products. Let's take a very clearcut example. Let's say that I take a copy of Justice League #35, and tweak it slightly, reprint it, and start selling copies. That would likely get hit pretty hard as a copyright violation. But let's say that I gave them away for free, that would EQUALLY get hit as a copyright violation, perhaps even more aggressively, since it would not only be competing on content grounds, but would be beating the original on price as well.
The "market impact" element does not refer to you making money, it refers to the original company LOSING money. It means that your product either competes with their product, or damages the brand of their product, and that can happen whether you make money off of it yourself or not.
I would recommend moving away from anything even remotely close to "injustice" as a title. Keep the content, yeah, but call it like "Lex's Place" or something that is not used by any WB property, or a direct reference to any WB property.
Theoretically yes. Like I said we need a project going on Patreon. I will be giving more details tomorrow as to what direction we will be moving on that Platform and others. The funny thing is SR7 and myself literally had a meeting early in the week where we talked about this possibility of DMCA take down.
You're wrong yet you are still fighting this?
“The economic effect of a parody with which we are concerned is not its potential to destroy or diminish the market for the original—any bad review can have that effect—but whether it fulfills the demand for the original.”
In a court case RIGHT,
THE COURTS ARE
to your side, IF you do not sell the product since it diminishes its effect ON THE MARKET
IF, in fact you do sell the product you are REPLACING the original WHICH does not warrant for your fair use to hold up in court
I can't explain it any more clearer, because you obviously believe only in your own definitions rather then what I fucking copy paste out of university websites
It's your own damn fault for being so good at mimicking the DCAU style, tbhbreh.
But yeah, I can see where you'd need to slap something up on Patreon to keep it alive while you 'explore your options.'
Good luck and I'm looking forward to those deets.
“The economic effect of a parody with which we are concerned is not its potential to destroy or diminish the market for the original—any bad review can have that effect—but whether it fulfills the demand for the original.”
Exactly, and that remains equally true whether or not the person producing the material profits from it. What matters is whether the material "fills the need of the original."
>IF, in fact you do sell the product you are REPLACING the original WHICH does not warrant for your fair use to hold up in court
Selling the product or not has nothing to do with "replacing the original." If the product you produce does "replace the original," then it does not matter whether you sell it or give it away, you're still "replacing the original."
If the product that you make does not "replace the original," for example if it's different enough that it serves a different audience, or that people would still purchase both, then again, it would not matter whether you profited or not from its production.
Why do you keep defending my premise with the examples you cite, and then shout that I'm wrong?
Tropic is right, only matters if its commercial no one bothers with free shit
I just found out that Fair Use is a US thing that doesn't apply to the EU.
Parody law however does, but it can be tricky.
According to my sources:
1. The Parody cannot infringe on the basic rights of the author (can't call the creator of the work you're parodying the spawn of evil)
2. The parody cannot be confused with the real author's work.
3. The work has to be either humorus or satire.
4. Cases will be handled by your national court.
5. Judges must respect the freedom of expression, but this right is not absolute. For example human indignity is not allowed (see point 1). It also cannot discriminate based on culture, religion or linguistic diversity.
6. The author can't just pull your work because he doesn't like it:
"Based on this, the AG notes that the parody exception should not be refused just because the author of the original work does not approve the comment made through the parody."
However you are not allowed to have the parody "contain a radical message contrary to the deepest values of a particular society."
In other words, nazi loli's will probably get you thrown the book at you.
7. Parody may be sold. There's no law telling you you can't make money off of your parody.
The only known case I have that went international is called the "Padawan Case" (I shit you not. As far as I can tell it has nothing to do with Star Wars, but the guy being called Padawan. It's in Spanish so who knows.
It goes on and on and on. Basically your work cannot trigger the memory of the original work in the public which may cause confusion with the real work ("This girl being gangbanged by seven swedish dudes? Was that in the Disney movie?"
One thing that keeps coming back is comedy. It must be humorus. It is up to the judges to decide if it is or not.
tropic truly is the shitposting hero of this general
Smart enough to think he knows what he's talking about and maybe he does
Passionate enough to argue endlessly
Important enough that mods can't get rid of him
Before tropic appeared it was all "it's shit"posting and the occasional scuffle over fetish preference
He just ramps shit up to 11 and brings everyone with him
It's impossible to ignore him though
What will he say next? Nobody knows, but it will be even better than the last post somehow
He always finds a way
If this keeps up, I'll have to make a comic about it
There's a ton of cases and info to draw from. Some more positive towards games like these than others.
Almost all points can be debated (Is forced sex a radical message contrary to the deepest values of a society?) What is humor? (Is a Judge without my sense of humor more likely to call you out on it?)
Also.... 'don't' 'DON'T' ever make it seem as if your parody work is better and should replace the original and people should buy your stuff instead of theirs. If you do, court will slap your shit.
Yea, But sunset riders is in canada. They're basically a third world country when it comes to copyright and freedom of speech and especially parody law
Like in qubec you can't have anything that doesn't have french in it
Except for china town because who the fuck knows
Yeah they have their whole: "33% of all you do must uphold the original culture." bullshit rule.
I can sorta understand what they're coming from. They're trying to prevent their culture from dying out and being replaced by a different culture (think imigrants, but also think American media).
But surely there's a better way to do it rather than force your people.
There's nothing inherently wrong with his Patreon that I can see; most of what he showcases are his own creations and he doesn't implicitly use Patreon to sell his work (which you're not supposed to anyway).
Also he's Russian, and Putin thumbs his nose to the White House vis a vis intellectual property laws, so Disney can't touch him for stuff hosted in country.
>If the product you produce does "replace the original," then it does not matter whether you sell it or give it away,
If the product "replaces the original" then fair use wouldn't even begin to be a defense.
Counterfeit items aren't defended as fair use and neither are reproductions. Those only get defended as public domain, which is a separate concept.
Fair use is a defense used when someone is infringing on copyright intentionally for the purposes of commentary or criticism (also parody/satire).
Legally it is much easier to assert you aren't trying to infringe for profit motives if you specifically distribute your infringing work for free. It becomes almost impossible to assert that you were infringing for profit if there's no actual profits.
Page 1 from the American Bar Association:
First of four factors:
>The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
Items distributed for free are going to be harder to prove to be "commercial" in nature, instead of say, a personal artwork.
Of course item 4 picks this back up with:
>The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Does a free porn game degrade the value of the DC universe? That would be for a court to decide, but LucasArts lost their similar case, and that was with a directly infringing property that was for sale.
>After concluding that parody could be considered fair use, the Court quickly qualified its holding: if the new work “has no critical bearing on the substance or style of the original composition, which the alleged infringer merely uses to get attention or to avoid the drudgery in working up something fresh,” the work is less transformative, and other fair use factors, such as whether the new work was sold commercially, loom larger.
That last part is important.
I had an idea that sunset riders7 would be forced to stop the game because i think Akabur has had the same thing done to him, that is why he is not doing much, so the only solution is to make original content like the hyposlave game & momincest game, which i know is not liked by everyone but, they will probably left to finish they game. I think the next to be targeted will be the incredibles & starwars game because of disney is cracking down too on copyright.
Nope, that's just a self-serving argument for people who like free shit and what to shitpost people who charge for their work. While historically commercial infringement has been more likely to be pursued, that's only because non-commercial infringement didn't really have the reach to cause any issues. The law has always allowed them to come after either, making no distinction between commercial and non-commercial infringement.
>i think Akabur has had the same thing done to him,
The Harry Potter movies were also Warner Brothers properties. WB is very aggressive towards copyright and according to Akabur he too received threats about the game when it was named "Hermione Trainer."
As such, he changed the name and the legal action ceased.
>The law has always allowed them to come after either, making no distinction between commercial and non-commercial infringement.
>whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
>other fair use factors, such as whether the new work was sold commercially, loom larger.
>Legally it is much easier to assert you aren't trying to infringe for profit motives if you specifically distribute your infringing work for free. It becomes almost impossible to assert that you were infringing for profit if there's no actual profits.
Except that "infringing for profit" or not doing that, is not a thing. It does not matter whether or not you were "infringing for profit," all that matters is that you were, or were not, infringing. If you were infringing, then whether or not you sought or made any profit off of it is entirely irrelevant.
>>The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
>Items distributed for free are going to be harder to prove to be "commercial" in nature, instead of say, a personal artwork.
The point of this statement is that it helps if you can promote your work as being in the public interest, like charitable non-profit. It has nothing to do with whether you gave it away for free. It's hard to argue that a porn game should be viewed as an educational product that is in the public's interest.
>Does a free porn game degrade the value of the DC universe? That would be for a court to decide, but LucasArts lost their similar case, and that was with a directly infringing property that was for sale.
Yes, but again, you can't just SAY that and then go home a winner, you need to defend that assertion in court, which could take you years and tens of thousands of dollars. It would mostly not be worth doing for any web artist, so it's largely a moot point.
There is literally nothing aside from the logo which is being replaced with a cg that can be grounds for a dmca, even the fucking house layout is different (because I fucked it up) The character's look nothing like they do in the movie and the only discerning feature is the name Helen and Violet and Dash which can be easily replaced if I was threatened. Not to mention the fact that it's an alternative universe where Bob basically dosent exist cause he's dead and the little fire child never existed at all
Nothing there for grounds of Dmca
>all that matters is that you were, or were not, infringing.
No, the assumption is that you are infringing. Fair Use is stating WHY you're infringing, and whether or not you have a right to.
Specifically, if you are producing noncommerical speech, you're allowed in certain cases to infringe, that is it isn't considered infringing. But you are specifically using another company's trademarks/trade names/trade dress directly in your new work.
Yes, you could "go after" anyone for any infringement. But that's the whole point of Fair Use, is that by proving in court your motive wasn't to profit directly commercially from the infringement, rather to comment/criticize/parody/satirize the work, you are thus allowed to infringe.
By removing profit from the new work you're making it much easier to defend as noncommercial speech than it would be if it was for sale.
If Patreon starts giving into legal threats across the board, I'll go start my own goddamn website that protects R34 content. Sounds like a good opportunity to me. Could even charge a little more and chalk it up to bigger risk. This isn't a problem that's going away for us in the future. Gotta take a stand. This is America, goddamnit. If I want to make porn, release it for free, and only ask for donations, I'm not gonna let whoever the fuck stop me or anyone else from doing so. Larry Flynt all up in here.
Game in the vein of Corruption of Champions where you play as a spy infiltrating some royal chamber. You're adept at playing as an ally to your target to get your information - trouble is, the king is sex addicted and wants your body.
Do you reluctantly blow him to further your cause, risking addiction to that scent? Or give him a furtive handjob in the court room?
Nigger what are you on about?
He didn't release WT or even PT for that matter for free until months after their release. Both of them were paywalled on his Hentai United page, and both were leaked by /v/ and /t/, not that I expect any of you fucks to remember the month long /t/ threads.
Well they basically said they are shelving it and they are gonna try and come up with something new. Maybe it will come back or someone else will pick it up who knows, but it will probably be a long time from now.
>Yes, you could "go after" anyone for any infringement. But that's the whole point of Fair Use, is that by proving in court your motive wasn't to profit directly commercially from the infringement, rather to comment/criticize/parody/satirize the work, you are thus allowed to infringe.
And again, that is NOT the legal distinction. It is not whether you intended to profit or not that determines whether it is fair use. The point of legal distinction is whether or not your version of it is distinct enough from the actual product, whether it effectively parodies the work, and whether it harms the original product's value. WEhether YOU profit off of it is NOT a legally relevant factor (although it can make a copyright holder more or less INTERESTED in pursuing a legal challenge in the first place).
Basically, making a huge profit off of someone else's copyright will not make a judge more likely to convict you, but it might make the company more interested in swatting you down.
Again, the law protects commercial speech and non-commercial speech equally. Any legal references to "non-profit" has nothing to do with whether you actually turn a profit or not, but rather to the lkegal classification "non-profit," like a church, educational service, or other charitable good. You can't just claim the be a legal "non-profit" simply because you make no money off of something, you also have to meed certain standards of "public good," and no porn game is ever likely to meet that qualification, so that entire section is completely irrelevant.
What if I represent myself? Seems like a pretty straightforward case to argue. I know they wouldn't do shit because it's not worth it. We all know that. I'm crazy enough to go to court, let them prove their bullshit case to the judge. They will blink first. If Patreon pussies out over a fucking cease and desist and then everyone starts sending them, I'll step up.
>What if I represent myself? Seems like a pretty straightforward case to argue.
When you represent yourself, you have a fool for a client. But ok, even if you do represent yourself, there will be court fees, which will add up to significant amounts, and you'll be at the beck and call of the courts for months or years if they want.
You really don't want to represent yourself though, it's not as easy as just TV makes it out, and a good lawyer (and these will be VERY good lawyers) can run circles around you by speaking complete legal gibberish. It'd be like trying to defend yourself in a country where you don't speak the language.
They may not care that much about you, but if they go to the trouble to take you to court then they'll go to the trouble to finish you off. They don't want to set the precedent of blinking first because then nobody will be afraid of them, and they can afford to waste money on your case to avoid the embarrassment.
Again, the only way to win is to avoid annoying them enough to call their attention in the first place.
This problem is only going to get worse. Just giving up is not an option. We have to come up with an answer or it'll all be OC from here on out. I dunno about you, but I'd rather have options between R34 games and OC games.
I'd love that too, and I'm not saying nobody should make R34 content. I'm just saying two things here:
1. If someone gets a valid DMCA take-down and they choose to pull back, that is not them being weak, that is them being sensible, because the odds of them coming out ahead are pretty much nil. The only people who can reasonably prevail in a case like that are ones who are already independently wealthy and just want to prove the point at the expense of many thousands of dollars of their own money.
2. While I believe that the parody protection is real and important, and does legally protect most R34 art, it's important to clear up the lie that the parody protection hinges on whether the artist makes money or not. A "free" R34 artist has no more legal protection than a "paywall" R34 artist, none whatsoever. The only distinction between who gets bothered by the copyright holder and who does not is ENTIRELY based on how much the artist annoys them with their existence. If a completely free artist pisses them off enough, even if they haven't made a single penny, they can still get hammered just the same.
Of course it will hold up, all the copyright holder has to show is that the work in question does not qualify as parody (a distinction that has nothing to do with money), and that it presents material harm to their brand.
Telling me to shut up doesn't make me wrong, it just means that you're annoyed that I'm right.
Take ONE, that actually pertains to the situation with artist or games that were made for non-profit
and show me a fucking link or explain the case to me so that I don't have to copy paste and proof check your faggot ass
Keep in mind that even in cases where the court found for the defendant, they still had to go through the expense of trials. It's not about whether they win the case, it's about whether the case would destroy a small artist in the process.
Court appointed lawyers and PRO-bono cases do exist, and if you wished to counter sue for defamation or liable lawyers wave the fee as long as they get a bigger portion at the end of the case
Take a consultation with a lawyer, you might learn something
Any non mega download links?
Trying to download the Russian Edition and I get some shit about not allowed to download over 1gb dispite the file is smaller than 1 gb.
Tried some of the other downloads and I get the same message.
Hi guys, I'm watching for this general since Akabur's Witch Trainer release but it is first time, when I dicide to create
some content. So, last week I stumbled on a picture of feminine version of Draco Malfoy and i've got the idea of Malfoy's
route. I think that idea can be realised in Russian Edition, 4 Houses Edition, or in Silver. Well, that route becomes when
Hermione is beginning to do protaginist's requests. Malfoy breaks in the directors cabinet and trying to blackmail
protagonist, that he will report the Ministry of Magic about directors inappropriate behavior with students. When the
dialogue ends, Protagonist decides to not let Malfoy go, and stunning him with a random heavy bottle of potion from a
Dumldore's cupboard. So, bottle breaks and liquid from it spills on malfoy. Occures that this potion is a permanent gender
bendering potion, and Draco wakes as a girl. Malfoy promises that he will not report Minystry, if protagonist find the way
to change his body back, that's the deal. So, protagonist registeres Draco as student exchange from Russian school of
magic with a name - Malafya Drago (or Malfinya Drago, etc.) The magic hat directs Malfinya into the Hufflepuff, cause
sensing hidden love of Malfinya to cute and beautiful things. Malfinya is absolutely mad, but submiting.
So the feature of the feninine Malfoy's route is a training from pride girl with a man's mind into a girl which loves cute
girly things and guys, maybe even becoming a bimbo.
Malfinya becomes more girly from spending time with her new girlfriends from Hufflpuff, and from sessions with protagonist
"for helping him to change back". E.g. Protagonist periodically rubs a permanent breast expansion potion into a Malfinya's
breast, so in a late stage of relationships, Malfinya will have C or D cup from A at the beginning.
Here is some art that I have: a model of Malfinya in comparison with a model of Hermione. I haven't any grafical devices,
so I draw with a mouse and because of that, by now I don't know how and when I'll draw a version with shadows and lights,
and emotions, but I think, that clothes without shadows and lights wouldn't be very hard.
I'm drawing character, maybe later i'll could to write something, I don't know by now. Meanwhile, Does anyone here who know some guids fo shadows, lights, cartoonish lips, etc?
since it's fucking creation some time last year, it's done absolutely nothing
every now and then some anon hops along and says they're making a game, and then it's back to hours of people just bumping the thread
I don't understand why lesbians are frowned upon but this fags idea of bumming draco is a "great idea"
can you faggot jews fuck off and stop trying to subvert every non jewish straight guy into a cock hungry bum boy?
So how fucked will I be by the copyright laws if I make a VN called Laura Craft Trainer, with Karima Adebibe's face?
Well with a potty mouth like that you won't get anywhere.
I don't want to play a game with a man sticking his cock in a man, even if the man has tits
sticking a cock on Hermione is "futa shit", sticking tits on draco is "trying something new"
fuck them all, I don't want gay shit gaining any traction here, he could easily have just made a blonde chick be a blonde chick instead
As much as I hate you guys. Sometimes its these little gems that make it all worth while.
Okay, well, these games don't cater exclusively to you. You people are what's wrong with /stg/ - either for or against something, you all throw a hissy fit and demand your preference be mandatory.
You're a fucking deviant masturbating to perverted cartoons of a children's story. Be glad you even have that and shut the fuck up.
I've said before that this game needs an option to let Hermione dominate the other girls in the game. Especially Daphne, that stuck up bitch.
>is it the same gay or are there genuinely lots of people who want a fictional character's cock in another fictional character's gender-swaped bumhole?
This is the definition of autism.
some of the trolls here are pretty good
"two women? fuck that"
"two men? yes please yum yum"
they know what they are doing, anything people like they shit post, anything people don't they promote
It's one thong, it's just a really extreme double strap.
>this series took entirely too long to make
It's relatively simple to make in the image library sure. I use the image snipper tool to grab it, then yes MS Paint to edit the borders away.
The real rub is that I had three different collars (two chokers), two hairstyles, and glasses. The only problem is not all the clothes are perfect transparent .PNG files, so weird marks start appearing that you don't really notice until you start editing things. Had to fix those halfway through.
I'm extremely bored.
download gimp (its free)
it gives you layers, so if a grubby mark appears you just erase it and it will show the previous layer underneath so you don't have to paint in the missing skin
plus if you have downloaded the items from stregac's website
you can just use "file, open as layers" and the top or skirt should line up on the base girl perfectly
akabur actually DID run into issues over witch trainer. he wanted to call it Hermione trainer but he had to change the name. they also wanted to take his shit down and they did on youtube and he can't actually distribute the game through patreon, he uses an alternative link where he distributes it for free as a "parody"
if sunset was smart he would just change the names of the characters and distribute the content for free. any donations people give should just be appreciated. that's what patreon is all about anyway
do you have one of the hermione generators?
(I don't know where to download them these days)
I usually take a base hermione from the generator and add the clothes outside of it in a new gimp window so there aren't hundreds of layers open
I just use the one they link at the top and work from there. I never learned how to make my own or add things, though I have been saving people's creations and items for when I do.
Right now I'm fucking around with Nemo's new Luna. Let's see what I can do.
Also, to anyone who actually makes content: please make more clothes. There's actually very little clothes (at least that I have). I had to use a swimsuit to give the appearance of an undershirt.
Has somebody contacted them about the simple fix that is renaming and recoloring? If they make up some shitty excuse about integrity or something then yeah they're using the situation to run off with the money.
the second point is completely false. you have repeated this idea multiple times but that does not make it any more accurate. you are only infringing on a products attributes if you are then distributing that product for profit or have a literal carbon copy of the code that you stole from the company. if you draw a bunch of naked pictures of super heroes and put it on the net for free, you are not infringing, you are making a parody. it's quite simple really.
I've been asking for a plain white tee shirt for ages, if its white it could be blue, if it's plain you could add a logo, make it see through etc
gimp allows you to do things like change the transparency, and colour, resize things
it also allows you to get really bored, this pic is her pearl neckless with the skin removed made into the brush head, resized up to big enough, then painted over her and made transparent, it took less than 5 mins, yet to draw each bubble would take years and I wouldn't have bothered (I shouldn't have anyway)
Hooray, I learned something!
Fucked up the sleeve a bit though, but whatever.
As the majority of you now know we were informed via Patreon of a DMCA notice on behalf of WB (Warner Bros). Sunset and myself had talked shortly after the notice on how we need to handle what happened. We both agree that it's usually not about what happened but how you handle it, that people remember. So we began this by being extremely transparent and this will be a theme of the new direction in which we go.
Our Patreon will now be completely focused on game development. All art, communications, info, rewards, everything will all be organized around this singular area. Sunset is putting all fan art on the shelf (not say he won't ever do it ever again), and all art that will be released will be art that will be part of development of all IP's owned exclusively by us. This allows us to have a much more focused approach to the content we give you . For example before Sunset would break off from game development to design and draw a picture (upwards of 5 hrs), this happened 4x per week adding up to 20+ hours that went not to game development. Those 20+ hours will now be going strictly to assets that will be added to the game. Character sheets, content, CG sets. Also we are very uniquely positioned as Sunset's possess amazing artistic talents. Using those talents he wants to merge his comics and games. Both mediums intertwined/connected, providing backstory, following popular characters, side stories, the options are endless. This is what will be happening on the creative side.
We are going to revolve around the early access theme that we see so prominently on Patreon (ex. Fenoxo). Full public builds will be fully working and released at key stages of development. While on Patreon our supporters will have access to the current build state (being as far as 2-3 full months ahead of what is out for the public). We are exploring the idea of doing bi-weekly builds during the beginning phases of game development. Just to give you an idea of what can be completed in 2 weeks time Bend or Break was made in that time frame. Instead of a write up on what changes you will see, before the release of the build there will be a short video talking about what went into this build. This will allow non-Patreon supporters to see what is going on first hand (early access of course to our patrons). We want to start a bi-weekly web show, where we will answer community questions, talk about anything and everything (priority to Patreon members, access to live Q&A before). Over the next few days I will lay out our rewards and distribution plan and share it will all of you. The idea in all of this is to provide as much time/resources as possible to the development of our games.
Injustice will be shelved for the time being. We cannot upload it to Patreon, and we will be exploring what to do with the game. Our options being releasing the source files to allow the community to finish the game, re-skinning (could take a couple months) and finishing the project under a different title (think NonJustice, or UnJustice). Our main priotiry at this time is to have our Patreon up and running smoothly and efficiently. We had planned for a year long run after Injustice was finished with 3 expansions covering 4 months of development each. This now has to be reworked with a new plan (takes time). After the dust settles with Injustice, Sunset and myself will discuss what will happen with it (we both believe it shouldn't go to waste don't worry).
Injustice had upwards of 6 months of development we will make sure it doesn't rot.
The first document we will release will be on Tuesday January 12, 2016, this will be what we call a vision document. This document will highlight key game play mechanics, story outline, setting, development timeline, and other info. This will allow for input from our supporters. I'm unable to provide details to what is under development or the setting your just going to have to wait for the vision document. Sunset and myself had already been in the planning stages of what would have been Bend or Break 2 or something similar (This was to follow Injustice, as a small project). Because of this planning we are able to move rather rapidly into development and potentially have something substantial for the end of JANUARY. Following the vision document we will have the outline for distribution and reward tiers on the day following. So stay tuned.
In conclusion, I know this won't sit well with some and Sunset and myself apologize. We have already lost upwards of 40 patrons, we are hoping not to many more leave but I want to say that no matter what they will be back. This plan you see today was the ultimate end goal of our Patreon for 2017. The idea was to seamlessly transition towards what you will see, but that's not what happened. I do want to urge anyone here who is thinking of leaving to stick around for a couple weeks. You can always cancel your pledge before Jan 31 and not be charged. I want to thank you all for the amazing out pouring of support. Even in places were we thought we were not liked, people came out and showed amazing love and support. Lastly I once again want to thank you all for your continued support during this transition, and I look forward to showing you what we have planned.
Tl:DR : Going OC but with lots of cool stuff to go along with it....Oh and Injustice isn't dead just sleeping for a bit.
Please, by all means, report away.
I encourage it.
when you create a new window you can select advance options and make the back ground transparent so it's not always white, find it helps, you can always add a layer below the background and make it white later if needed
change title and recolor some art, stick it to the man and release it for free. yall have been getting paid thousands a month to provide a working playable build. if you sit on your project you basically told your supporters fuck you the money is in our pockets with nothing to show for it.
hope yall work something out that pleases your audience in the next couple months. seeing a game forever in development while you rack up the cash seems unfair to me
I like the Old Luna as a replacement for Daphne. Matches Akabur's style better. Was there any progress on Ginny?
Really great topics there guys, now lets put that anger to good use
I'm working on a map system for town events
I have two prospects in front of me
1. Something similar to shin megami tensei 3 nocturne map system where you're a dot and you wander around to get to unique points of interest, this requires more time in coding to get it to work right, since ren'py is linear style
2. Doom esc walking through the street clicking to progress similar to what the house is currently, This requires more time in Art
Which one would feel better?
Anyone have a 3rd option?
Is this genuine & if so, would SmokeShank & SR7 like the idea of letting others people finish the game or parts for them because I have not found any news on SR7 twitter feed or his tumblr site, if genuine, why has SR7 not said anything about Injustice game on these site which he updates regularly. And has anyone heard of this SmokeShank to do with the game?
>1. Something similar to shin megami tensei 3 nocturne map system where you're a dot and you wander around to get to unique points of interest, this requires more time in coding to get it to work right, since ren'py is linear style
This is good.
Concerning SR7 and Smoke. What if they kept going with making their recolored UnJustice game but introduced a mod that a "Anonymous" user posted on their new website or other related sites change all of their characters back to what they originally looked like?
Toss a link to a torrent or upload to zippyshare or something and call it a fan made mod?
I agreed but, I still think that something is a missed as SR7, has not said a word on the matter on his other sites. U are right a few changes & they would not need to cancel the game .
And I like the idea of a fan made mod, you have a near complete game in 1.5.5, someone must be able to use it as a base to build like what other guys have done with BT to complete the game.
>Brozeks & Grozeks posted News
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I diffedently don't want that. "Other guys" try and complete it, it's been years and people are still going at the pace of a snail in creating content.
All they need to do is do a drastic color pallete swap, think the color options from Marvel VS Capcom or any fighting game. Change all the characters names to Chinese bootleg names, slight alterations to symbols can be done without any drastic remodeling. Be sure to have "PARODY" labeled anywhere with the games name as well.
Then, they, themselves can make a mod and release it under another name or even here anonymously that takes all the things that were changed and turn them back to their original looks, names, and such forth.
You don't have to change much in order for it to not be removable. I mean, look at all the chinese knock-off toys, majority have very small changes and are able to be sold.
I really don't want to give up the art or color to another artist because I rather enjoy S7's color and penwork. I don't want a mutated modded beast like here in the Witch Trainer General; they're all good mind you but I rather have original art done by the creator.
the second point is completely accurate. you have repeated that it is not true multiple times but that does not make it any less accurate.The parody protection has absolutely zero to do with whether your product is free or charged for, if it is parody then it is parody. Take the show Robot Chicken, for example. That show is not free, but it is parody, which is why they can get away with using hundreds of different properties. I'm not exactly sure where this "parody must be given away" meme came from, but it certainly wasn't from a lawyer.
>SR7 is constantly putting out content
>Releases 4 pictures a week, always answering questions, puts out monthly builds cause he hates how akabur and other developers don't show progress
>Has to cease all this
>Akabur who literally does nothing and makes 3x as much on aberage is still up and running
This is fucking infuriating to be honest. SR7 needs to get a site setup and say fuck you to patreon ASAP
4 no wait 5
5 people have told you you're wrong
nigga just stop
Just stay down bitch
Why do you keep standing back up
You have no more teeth left to lose
You aren't Rocky nigga
Stop taking all those punches to the face
You aren't even blocking anymore
JUST STAY DOWN
How does 4, no 5 people telling me that I'm wrong MAKE me wrong? Are they dentists? Am I a toothpaste brand? Those five people are wrong, and can repeat their wrongness as often as they like, that doesn't make them less wrong, it just means that they're unwilling to learn.
Any screen you land on should be a screen with value to it. If you just have a random street and 9/10 times you pass through it, your only options are "go forward" and "go back" then get rid of that street.
Fuck I keep biting
There's no fucking worm yet here I am the willing fish willing to eat that hook
You could not name one example in which the case that was for non-profit had the defendant lose, you named 8 examples of cases and all of them were wrong
Your last line of defense was
>oh well it'll still cost people legal fee's
But if a case is high enough most attorney's will take it for free, Why?
Because the publicity can really help their firm, Because there are federally funded programs for people who can't pay their attorneys
Because many bar associations have pro-bono programs where they give the new guy a case for free if the defendant can prove his income
Because courthouse facilitators exist
You have no evidence
You have nothing to support your claim
And your last line of defense is that everyone else is wrong aside from you
You're a shitposter and I'm mad that you made me explain why you're a fucking idiot
Now yes, if it is a criminal case (not a civil one) then there are programs to get you a public defender, but unless you are completely destitute it will still end up costing you, and these are typically massively overworked and underskilled lawyers who will be too busy trying to keep crackheads out of prison than defending you.
I mean, I want to give SR7 the benefit of the doubt and think he's not just leading people on and doing enough work to do so. But it's pretty sketchy that Patreon is making him take everything off and has been leaving Akabur alone this whole time, even though he got in enough trouble that he had to change the name of his game. And why no deeper explanation about Patreon's lack of protection? If there's a specific reason why Patreon is taking this case more seriously, why hasn't SR7 told us it? Plus, he's got a tumblr with an independent tip jar already. Why scrap Injustice entirely? He could just take it off Patreon. Also this came what, 3 days after he got the cash for December? Nice timing.
>Pro-bono doesn't always mean criminal cases
No, pro-bono doesn't only mean criminal, but criminal is the only time you will be ASSIGNED a public defender, it's the only time you are guaranteed representation. In a civil case you always have to find your own lawyer, and if you can't pay, you'd have to convince him to work for free, and as I said, it's pretty much impossible that you would be able to find a lawyer who would defend you for free on a case involving pornography.
Can you stop
I have a problem
You know I have to keep biting
Literally from my fucking state
Types of IP services offered: Full range, including copyrights, trademarks, arts-related patents, licensing and litigation.
Eligibility Criteria: Must be artists or nonprofit arts-related organizations. Income guidelines for artists.
Regions covered: All of New York State and neighboring areas of Connecticut and New Jersey. Will represent people from other areas, if they have a New York related issue.
Fees charged: Fees range from about $50 to $250 (plus costs) depending on income, services provided, and membership.
Yes, they offer those services, but they aren't required to offer them to you. If you come to them and say "I'm some hipster performance artist and I've been hit with copyright claims!" they'll probably take your case. If you come to them and say "I make porn games on the Internet and Disney's on my ass!" they will likely laugh in your face.
I've been keeping the same goalposts, "what is likely to happen." You keep trying to talk about things that "might happen," even if they are highlight unlikely. I don't dispute that it would be theoretically possible to find a lawyer willing to work for free, I'm just telling you that it would never actually happen.
And I think you're grossly underestimating their commitment to paying off their law school loans. There are certainly lawyers who are committed enough to free speech that they would take on a "worthy" client in a free speech case, some nice guy just trying to do right and getting picked on by The Man, and there are certainly lawyers who care enough about free speech that they would take a case about pornography if the payout was good enough, but I think you'd have a VERY hard time ever finding a lawyer who cares so much that he would defend a pornographer for free. I mean hell, it's hard enough for you guys to chip in $1 or two per month to support these games, much less hundreds of billable hours for which the lawyer would be likely to make hundreds of dollars each on a different client.
Tropic I have a question about supermom, Are the demos any sign of the direction the story will go or is it more or less just this is what I thought at the moment the events and stuff should be?
All the shit that's currently in place is shit I wrote when I was still coming up with the idea of a trainer game around 3 months ago, so currently those events show less then nothing
Most of the real stuff has some form of cohesion and a branching dialogue tree that works with stat gain
Like if you opened it up in renpy you would see some of the events I workshopped but didn't implement
I literally posted a list of lawyers who take these cases for basically free and you're still debating this
Like how much Fucking evidence do you need, I proved for two days straight all of my points with facts to back it up while you could not produce a single thing to back your point
Like Fuck off retard
on his tumblr site , now
On Monday night (January 6th, 2016) we were informed that Patreon received a DMCA notice regarding our Patreon and it’s material. Patreon has requested that we remove all material that we do not have 100% ownership of the rights to (so like all of our stuff). Due to the fact that Patreon received the DMCA notice we fully complied and now have removed all the infringing materials from our Patreon. Patreon also requested that any potential materials in which we didn’t have full ownership of also be removed, or potentially have our Patreon page banned. We regretfully complied with this request also. Now we need to move forward and with that being said all content will be frozen across all platforms until I sort through what happens next. In regards to our Patreon and supporters please see the write up SmokeShank did regarding our new direction on that platform.
Regarding Injustice. We are shelving the project at this point in order to get our affairs in order over on our Patreon. We have several options for Injustice that we will look into. One being releasing the source files to the community to finish, or two re skinning and completing the project. If we are to go with the second option, we need time to develop a plan and then execute that plan. So please your patients in regard to Injustice will be appreciated.
Any on going projects will be put on hold till next week when I will provide all my fans with an update as to the direction I intend to follow. I’m not quitting or going dark, or going to prison, or becoming a pirate (although that seems pretty cool) so please be patient. I want to thank all of you for your support and continued support over the next week.
You provided a list of lawyers who might take a case, that is a far different thing from proving that they would definitely take yours. I don't see any way you could prove that, short of actually finding a lawyer who specifically agrees to take your case.
How can one man be this fucking stupid
I feel sorry for you man
The fact that you live in this perpetual moving of goal posts to fit your stupid world view so that you'll never be wrong in anything really makes me pity you man
Like on the top ten arguments I've had in my 20 years of life, this is by far hitting real close to number 1
Free speech is free speech, nigger. And you know what else? Supporting these games and providing an alternative to an industry that manipulates and uses real women is morally compelling.
Fuck Patreon. Gutless cunts.
>I'll get the people paying me to finish it!
What an asshole. He can easily take down content from Patreon and continue work. He just wants to stop because the game is getting too complicated to maintain and fix.
How can one man be this fucking stupid
I feel sorry for you man
The fact that you live in this perpetual moving of goal posts to fit your stupid world view so that you'll never be wrong in anything really makes me pity you man
Free speech is free speech, but the ACLU doesn't defend everyone all the time, they defend the cases that they choose to defend. I highly doubt that they would choose to defend any of these games if they were asked to do so.
Why would they? They're busy putting out fires on the rest of the boards.
The only people who remove this shit are the janitors and the last thing 4chan needs are busybody editors censoring people. Even if they are fucking retards.
Yup wow anon you are so on the ball. All those words and you managed to figure that. Does STG have a retard of the day award (Is this how ones supposed to responed to shit posters on 4chan). Either way guys news on Tuesday next week with a vision document outlining the new project. Sunset and myself will be beginning the planning stages on what needs to be done with Injustice to reskin in February our main goal is give our current supporters content on that Platform.
They didn't rely elaborate. Patreon gave use two courses of action comply or go to federal court. I suspect it came from our promo on the landing page. Patreon removed that immediately.
They didn't give you a copy?
And by federal court you mean the Canadian system?
Not trying to be a dick, just want to know what to expect if they come for me
This whole thing is really unsettling. If Patreon won't protect me, I'm not going to keep giving them 5%.
No not Canada, probably where Patreon is US. Patreon received the DMCA not us we are on their platform. They decide what happens to us. If we pose a giant risk, they just hit the delete key. It's a risk all rule34 artists take. In the words of a great Canadian Ray from TPB "It's the way she goes"
We personally don't want to have any other artist compromised. We feel that would hurt the community more. Ultimatley if the commuity grows we benift. Take it on the chin and move forward.
Well, I didn't make the actual images. I'm just fucking around with the resources.
But with the material have now, not without some difficulty. The Luna textures are at a much higher resolution than the Hermione ones, and Luna's breasts appear to be drawn as a part of her body. Evenif you edited them out, you'd still have to draw new ones from scratch since their torsos don't match up anymore.
Eh, fuck that attitude, no offense. Just kicking the can down the road. This scene is gonna keep getting bigger and what happened to you guys is only the beginning then. They act so friendly too with their tips and newsletters. Shame to see they'll just fucking stab us in the back at the first sign of trouble. Best of luck to you guys.
keep schmoozing with snape and eventually he tells you and you get a letter about tutelage
then you have to use perfume in your office and then invite hermione in and chit chat about daphne DON'T GIFT IT TO HER
since Zone's still in business, no, it probably doesn't. It's a shaky system, so long as they don't bother you, you're fine. If they choose to bother you, you ARE bothered, whether you want to be or not.
So how likely is it I'll get sued to hell if I make a Khaleesi Trainer with real Game of Thrones characters and music from the show's soundtrack?
Because I kinda already have a decent chunk of the game built, artwork aside.
A Slave Leia Trainer where you play as Jabba is so logical and obvious, you'd think we'd already seen one by now.
It does happen. You know what Zone does? He ignores it and they don't take him to court. Because this is how the conversation at WB would go:
Shithead: Sir, they're not ceasing or desisting. Let's take them to court.
Boss: We can't make any money here. You're fired.
Yeah, look, you have to calculate risks.
Music: bad idea.
Copy Art: if you actually copy/paste art from the original (rather than drawing your own version of it) bad idea.
Logos: Use of any official logo or legally trademarked names (like "Injustice), bad idea.
The more layers of distinction you make between your product and the original, the safer you are, you're never completely safe though. The biggest protection you have is them not giving a shit, if you don't give them too big a reason to give a shit then they're likely to leave you alone, but if they decide to give a shit, then there's not much you can do to prevent them tearing you a new one.
Tip jars are very pain in the ass. If you run a paypall tip jar assholes will charge back. Causing all sorts of problems. Essentially you need roughly 3+ bank accounts with something called a vacuum account which is totally segregated from paypal. It's a fucken headache
Well yeah. If the goal is to sneak a product out the door then don't advertise in advance, but if you'd actually like to make enough money to support yourself, you can't do that, so it's a moot point. You do understand that being able to support yourself is the goal in most cases, right?
I hear ya and so does SR7. We eventually planned to go full OC (just gives way more options as far as content and delivery). We wanted to make a slow easy transition. Not like an in your face moment like yesterday. So at least we were already planning this route.
Question about Patreon. Paypal doesn't allow transfering money for porn. So when you set up a 18+ account, your followers can't use Paypal to support you. However you can select Paypal for receiving money if you're on a 18+ account. (If your supporters use credits cards they put it on your paypal)
How does that work? The only other alternative is some kind of banking system that I had never heard of.
I truely hope they don't just reskin injustice and release it. Unless it is apart of the plan to have the "fan-made mod" that replaces it all back to original. Switching to OC donut steels is whack. I just want to play as Lex
New version should be soon. Just finishing up the collar scenes at the moment.
On that note, would someone mind making a proper collar for Hermione? Or at least tidy up the writing for the ones I did ages ago? Thanks.
well the existing loop one is black so it's going to look odd unless the writing is white but its not really big enough
i'll have a look later and see what exists properly when its no longer 2am
Said it in the other thread and I'll say it here. There is absolutely no legal basis for that DMCA and they do not have to follow it at all. The game does NOT violate US Copyright law, and is actually protected under the Parody portion of it, meaning SR7 has full legal protection and control of his game because it's a porn parody.
The ONLY FUCKING THING they can hit him with is using "Injustice" as the title. And if it is a real claim, all he needs to do is change the title. Remember when WB hit Akabur with a DMCA over Hermione Trainer, so he changed it to Witch Trainer instead? Same fucking deal.
Simple truth - SR7 does NOT want to finish Injustice, just like how he didn't want to finish Bend or Break.
Also, I've called him out on this shit on his tumblr. Let's see if he has the balls to respond properly.
This is literally an issue of "Change the name, keep the game." and he's trying to use it as a scapegoat to cancel development.
What makes you come to this conclusion. Patreon got the DMCA not us...we follow Patreons instructions or we get banned easy breezy.
Don't even reply to these children.
They're the type of naive shits that think they have "freedom of speech" on 4chan and think they should sue the mods if they get banned.
I cannot stress it enough that none of the kids in this thread have any idea how law, IP, or business works in any way. You and SR7 made the right call, Patreon is going to net you a good income down the line if you play along with them. And it's currently the most visible platform for artists to distribute and get paid for their work.
Focus less on responding to tinytot trolls and more on crafting new/alternate content to get people excited again.
Fuck you and your pussy attitude. Maybe Reddit is more your style, faggot. You know, for a second there, I thought maybe SR7 wasn't a shit-filled jew and since they went after Patreon, it made sense. But it doesn't make any goddamn sense that they would directly send Akabur a DCMA when he lives in Putinland, so they must have sent his to Patreon too. And they didn't make him pull the plug on the whole thing!
That's what we get for trying to believe in a guy who couldn't be dicked to salvage something from Bend or Break.
Eat shit, you literal child.
Patreon says "take all your WB shit down or we're closing your account" and you think he's supposed to take Patreon to court?
I knew I was right about you, you really are the kind of faggot that would yell about suing moot about getting banned. You have no idea how copyright works or what your legal options are. But here you are, running your dumb fucking mouth anyway.
>lol we took 1000s of dollars for something we won't finish lol
confirmed worse than Akabur. At least his unfinished games had some kind of start middle and end with few bugs.
Took, like we ran into their house and took the money, or did we strong arm them, did we honeydick? They gave us the money, we provided all the content that was promised at those pledge tiers. On time and never late. Settle the fuck down you guys, we need not have a gut reaction to matters like this. It takes planning and execution to make it out. We need a project for Patreon so now we are moving in that direction. We are going to have meetings regarding Injustice next month. Injustice was internally slated for March release, so what if it comes out in June or July, after we can get everything figured out and executed. What was released was only a portion that was in the game. Lex had over 75 sprites alone so we cant just go do shit Willy nilly, we need a plan. If you were a supporter please post on our Patreon I will address you personally there. Oh and 4 houses when?
Gr8 b8 m8. But for all the actual idiots who still haven't quite gotten it through their heads I'll explain whats actually going on.
For one, they already changed the name to Unjustice, but that isn't the real issue. As already stated multiple times, Patreon has told them to immediately remove all copyrighted material or be cut off. Patreon doesn't care about how legal or illegal their content is, if they say it has to be removed, it has to be removed. They can do this for any or no reason, it is right there in their terms of service.
Once again, the legality isn't really the problem. They have to take it down, they have to comply with what Patreon tells them to do, they can't just change the name because it isn't Warner telling them to stop, it's Patreon. They've already said they're working on getting some kind of content to put their patreon back up while they work on changing the game around enough that this can't be done again.
I'd say end of discussion, but given the trolls this is just going to go on and on ad infinitum until they finally collapse exhausted on their keyboards.
Can anyone tell me how to get the new potions in the BT silver edition? I cant seem to find em, and all old potions can still be bought in snapes shop.
Its like the version on mega is an old version?