Will we get penetration, or do you think Beato will get an anime-original death since she already did it herself?
PSA from the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
Once again we would like to reaffirm our stiff stance on eradicating Katia bullying from the DDR.
Under Erich Schmidt this policy still stands and is more important than ever before.
The duty to do everything for the cause of Katia is today greater than ever.
This is the underlying idea guiding us in conducting relations between the DDR and the BDR.
By law only Genosse Theodore can bully Katia.
Es lebe die Deutsche Demokratische Republik
Nth for Gretel been an honorasy LStR-40
I salute your constant effort in providing those edits Anon.
With Watanabe's directing this adaptation scores a 7.5-8 on a show-not-tell scale of 1 to 10, discuss.
I'm half-expecting the staff to have Iris murmur "Beato..." off to the side when Theo breaks the news to her, if that part is to be adapted.
These just get funnier and funnier the more I see them.
Stasi, get out. Your censorship has no place here.
>I'm half-expecting the staff to have Iris murmur "Beato..." off to the side when Theo breaks the news to her, if that part is to be adapted.
>The LN spoiler says she was a bit sad upon hearing the news though. It's an AS "spoiler", FWIW.
The real question here is what's gonna happen to Axmann's boyfriend?
These are even funnier when you understand German. Seeing as these are grammatically correct, I have to assume you are a fellow Bernd?
So am I, even if I know Lise's time in the Stasi Funhouse is responsible for what she is. Forgiveness is something she doesn't deserve, but pity certainly is.
No I know not a sliver of German.
I just choose very carefully what phrases I can use and what words in said phrases I can exchange.
But don't tell my bosses at the MfS, I don't want to study manufacturing at the University of Siberia
In October 1984, Lise Hohenstein met with the Vietnamese families of BETA victims. After a brief interview in which she expressed her condolences and hope for closure, she reportedly burst out laughing and made Laser class noises and mimicked two F-4's dropping napalm. Lise then picked up the deformed child of a deformed victim and whispered into her ear "Vietnam fucking shits, bitch", and proceeded to put on a pair of sunglasses and unleash a barrage of martial arts attacks on the small child. The child was rushed to the hospital where she was pronounced dead due to extreme trauma. When asked later about the incident, Lise became visibly sexually aroused and repeated the same attack on the reporter.
Genosse nichtBernd, I am afraid you have just been assigned a new position at Siberia business school. You are to study geology and manufacturing.
Katia has such a great butt.
An hour of lapride, full of pineapple flavored piss.
Because Katia is the shining light, the best girl, the one who must be protected.
Will they release BD outside Japan? Would be funny if they dubbed it in German.
What would a foursome with these hotties be like?
Why are short-haired girls always the best in Muv Luv?
I want to believe it due to Lise's history but another side of me believe it was simultaneous torture.
I think I'm going to take the dive and buy the ebook version of BiS. I wish age wasn't so lazy with these and used the Tech Gian colored scans since they don't save any money using the greyscale ones in ebook format, but it is what it is. Downer that it doesn't actually release until the 20th of next month though.
Rest in peace, Theodor's MiG-21. You served well and went out in a really cool retreat.
>that violence happening to this hot body with dat semen demon voice
I think my boner just ripped my pants slightly
It's just 6-7 Burgermoohlahs anyways. Not like you'll be breaking the bank, but good on you if you get the pics to us. It would be nice to have a good pic of the kiss and confession scenes.
Do these really look like the eyes of a liar to you, anon?
Anime Lise is pure evil, just like anime Beato because the director thinks that making any of the stasi characters sympathetic, relatable, or human is doing a disservice to RL people who had to suffer under them.
>Germans make "Das Leben der Anderen" where MC is Stasi, and there other sympathetic Stasi characters. Not a single victim complains.
>Expecting Victims to complain about a Chinese Cartoon about they'll never hear anything about.
I wouldn't say pure evil. There's definitely an element of tragicness with Lise, but it's more in the sense that the Stasi utterly ruined her.
There was also that (bizarrely out of character for anime Beato) remark about Jurgen.
It's more about giving respect.
He doesn't get Iris either. He said he based his version of her off of Maetel from Galaxy Express and said something to the effect that she's the perfect heroine that everyone else looks up too.
Nor does he really get SM, as he's stated that it's primarily a dark political war story rather than an intensely character driven tragedy.
Do note that Jurgen is not referred to by name once in the entirety of SM. He's "that guy", "Iris' brother", etc.
>Nor does he really get SM, as he's stated that it's primarily a dark political war story
What I recall is that he said he wanted to change it to more of a war story. Which makes sense when you only have one cour to work with, but... I don't know why directors insist on doing these things with adaptations. It happens often enough that even Shirobako mentioned it.
So is it just a mistranslation, because both Commie and Horrible had the same line there verbatum?
Also, how do we know it's Jurgen. It could be anyone really. Furthermore, how do we know it's not just another taunt to Irisdina.
あの人 is literally "that person". I just got done explaining to you that it's singular they. You cannot translate it as anything other than singular they without sounding like a colossal awkward ESL faggot.
>Also, how do we know it's Jurgen.
Because he's the only one it could really be in that context.
>Furthermore, how do we know it's not just another taunt to Irisdina.
We don't know for sure, but it's a weird line, and for a character like Beatrix who barely gets any screentime at all, every line has to count.
>tfw that one Beatrixfag's prediction about the anime making Beato the worse thing since aids and then reversing her to be sympathetic are coming true
What the flipping fuck?
I finally got what you're talking about, and I feel like a real retard now. Just got out of college, so the brains a little mushy right now. They should've done a better job of editing it, because it sounds like she's talking about a group of people, possibly Hannibal and his guys, rather than a singular individual.
Good, feel the shame flowing through you.
Yeah, I can see the confusion, but the context around that line would have made it a pain. "That person" is too awkward and ungainly, and singular they, when they had just got done talking about a group, makes it awkward. Maybe if they supported using italics, like saying [i]their[/i] ideals will be made a reality, it'd work, but CR sucks so they don't do that.
Type94 reviewed more of the anime: https://type94.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/schwarzesmarken-04-07/
He thinks it's great.
can I just say that while there's a lot I like about Schwarzesmarken (the plot, mostly), this show has possibly the most inert and incoherent OP I've ever seen in an anime. The pacing of those first few shots against the music (Katia falling into the snow and being caught by Theodor, a TSF flying by the camera to show the "666" on its counterweights, etc) just feels really off, and the song by Fripside is not a standout.
Total Eclipse did a lot of things wrong, but GOING GOING was much visually and musically stronger than whatever this is.
I don't know how he can be so willfully ignorant in his lavish praise of the director. I mean, look:
>Certainly the scene where Sylvia and the rest of the squadron confront Lise on the rooftop plays out very differently. Despite the increasing suspicion laid on her, viewers still feel that there is a very real possibility that Lise is innocent, and that affects how the scene comes across immensely.
She had just got done threatening Katia and looking like really, really bad news.
I have to agree. Being memorably bad is better than not being memorable at all. The visual direction though is just overall better. I think a more somber piece would have fit it. Maybe some wagner style thing.
The director is very good at directing, just not adapting. I don't care about a 1:1 adaption. I don't care about changes. But a director should always do his best to capture the spirit and mood of a story when adapting. I've seen 1:1 adaptations that were still shit adaptations because, though they followed the plot with reverence, they failed to capture the special something that made the story work.
A story wants you to feel a certain way and take a certain something away from it. A sad scene can be manipulated to be a happy one or vica versa despite showing the exact same events through use of lighting, music, and so forth. In this case, when SM is following the plot, it still fails to adapt because the audience is taking away a different message or feel than the source material intended. Lise and Beatrix aren't meant to be hatesinks, but they are in the anime due to the way the anime shows their scenes or the little details it adds/leaves out. That's why SM is a shit adaptation.
Hope you enjoy getting your balls crushed.
Fite me IRL m8
Yep. 100% rape.
>you will never get captured by the stasi and become the werewolf squad's fucktoy
Who /NVA/ here?
Sometimes, usually the plot premise is Lise and Theo trading places in the Werewolves.
It was hyperbolic. What's normal for Jap fics is what we'd call crack over here.
Count me in Oberstleutnant
Just think about how badly they raped poor Pham. She was the dependable onee-san of the group and a dependable shoulder (or chest) for Anett and Katia to cry into, and now that very same chest was getting forcefully fucked by some Stasi scumbag.
Getting smacked into again and again with a thick hairy pole, only barely lubricated with her own spit, because sometimes the soldier pulls out and forces his cock into her mouth to lube it up. As if that's not horrible enough, while one guy has fun with the upper half of her body, her pussy gets fucked repeatedly too by the other guy. He doesn't bother prepping her at all to make the torment even slightly more bearable, he just slams right in. The only lubrication she gets is the kind shamefully given out by her body's own natural reactions to any kind of stimulation whatsoever, which isn't much at all in a situation like this.
The kind woman who was there for everyone, in a matter of minutes, in reduced to a helpless prisoner who can only scream in agony and plead to her captors for her hellish torment to end sooner rather than later. They don't let up - they can't let up. Lise's orders, after all. The girl Pham might have tried to care about at one point, the one that she even tried to appeal to the little bit of goodness left in her rotten heart, is the one who made sure that they couldn't show mercy even if they wanted to.
They need to brutalize her, they have to keep roughly raping her, beating her, smacking against her ass and face with their burly fists, leaving all kinds of bruises, and only barely leaving her on the edge of consciousness. All the repeated trauma against her head makes it hard for her to stay awake, you see. She's spitroasted without end. Even when they cum once, even when they force their seed down her holes, she can feel that they're still erect. Must be some stasi drugs. They keep going, and so Pham's suffering won't end, not until she completely breaks.
Makes you want to puke, doesn't it?
I didn't need to fap right now anon.
Europe outside of a few hold out bastions on the Norwegian coasts and Iberian Peninsuala falls by about 1985. Once the Oder Nesse line is breached, the next good defensive line is the Rhine, but to hold it you have to sacrifice Northern Europe basically. The French didn't exactly make a good fortified border this time around.
I think Denmark and Portugal were the last to fall. The Danish probably held the Kiel Canal to the last man.
The Iberians retreated across the Gibraltar when it became clear they couldn't hold.
>Let's push these invaders back to their hive.
Most likely along with the West Germans they along with an expeditionary corps of the US army conduct a fighting retreat across Europe, buying time to evacuate as many people as possible. We don't know their fates, but the Fall of Europe was terrible for casualties for the French. They didn't even really prepare for shit hits the fan scenarios, counting on the Germans to hold the line while they ate baguettes.
Theo is potentially a terrorist in the future, but I consider it more likely he along with the 666th were deemed assets too valuable to lose in a pointless defense of the last bits of Europe and evacuated to Great Britain. From there, they fought off the BETA who tried to cross the Channel in the late 80's, and started up with the culling operations.
TL;DR, they probably lived, if they didn't die in 1984. No guarantee there honestly.
DEATH TO THE BETA INVADER
All I have stuck in my head is ANATA NO HITOMI GA UTSUSHIDASU MIRAI. That song was made me feel like shit after finishing Alternative.
Kasumi still has her memories but why is Âge so deflective of that question?
This was a lot less gory in the anime. What gives? TE went all out with the gore. It's a ML staple.
Because of new laws against gore (if you aren't aware of Liden's big hit on the scene, Terra Formars, you're missing out), and the fact they went with a more serious approach. You aren't exactly going to be able to live long enough to give a speech or beg for somebody to kill you if you get ripped in half.
Alright, let's examine this - Sweden is the only relatively 'Open' part of the Scandinavian Peninsula, and even then it's got its own lakes and forests. The bottleneck is around Finnemark, where there's mountains and other obstacles to attacks, and that's where the Swedes and Norwegians held the line as soon as Finland was overrun.
Then something you prayed to god wouldn't happen, happens. The Oder-Nesse falls. The Norwegians and the Swedes have to send forces to help the Germans as they try to reestablish a defense line at the Elbe but it's too late by that point, the BETA are going to plow on to the Rhine without stopping. This means the north is slowly falling, because now you're fighting a pincer movement on a grand scale - if the BETA grab the Kiel canal or the Jutland, you're in serious trouble supply wise as Sweden, you NEED to keep that open or you don't get armaments. So the Danish basically do the fucking impossible, even NATO planners didn't expect this against the Warsaw Pact for longer than a day or two - THEY HOLD THE JUTLAND. They dig in and they keep the supplies flowing, but it's too late for Sweden. The Finnemark line is broken, and now you've got to evacuate what you've got now, or lose it all in the future. Norway can hold out in the mountains for a long, LONG time - lot of coastline, cave networks, and other hold out areas they built in case the Russians came knocking. But that's a matter of time too.
By this point, Western Europe is in trouble, with the French being the French and not doing fucking shit until its too late. Thanks De Gaulle. So Sweden and Norway evacuate, same with the Danes, eventually. Denmark can't hold when Malmo allows access to their islands directly, and from there the Jutland can be flanked.
And that's how most of Europe falls in three years - because one fucking line of defense broke, and the French were the French.
FUTARI NO DEAI NI IMI GA ARU NO NARA
Hits me right in the feels every time.
because they gotta cut precious seconds aside from shying away from gore.
For example in that scene she was still "alive" even after being cut in half, though she only making gurgling noises.
An unnamed sergeant told her, "May we meet again" and delivered the coup de grace.
Does it make me a bad person that I want to disembowel loli Beato and loli Lise and use their entrails to strangle them as they sob and scream their little evil heads off?
Best girls by series:
ML: Munakata + Yuuko
TE: Stella + Latrova
everyone is such a goddamn in this show cunt save for her
Yes. They haven't done anything wrong, why punish them in such a terrible way?
You don't become evil, you are evil. Lise and Beatrix were just given an outlet for their sadistic urges. Place someone else in that position, like say Annette or Pham, and they would never cross the lines that those two did.
There's nothing wrong with nipping a problem at its buds.
>tfw you effortpost theorizing how europe fell using picture references and times from the VN and nobody notices
>Anime Lise is pure evil, just like anime Beato because the director thinks that making any of the stasi characters sympathetic, relatable, or human is doing a disservice to RL people who had to suffer under them.
Is that the reason? Or just that the creators are tone-deaf and are only able to make the most basic of antagonists.
Where do you think you are? MAL?
And he killed an important part of it in the process. I`m sure you can still show them as total scum without turning everything one-dimensional.
So this is how you "think" it went down based on pictures and the VN after east germanys defence line got overrun?
ITT: traitor gets what's coming to her
KAGI WO AGERU
Basically, and the timeline and other mentions make it more than possible. The TSFiA's A-10 bit mentions how they held the line at Hamburg in '84, so extrapolating from there it makes sense, considering when Denmark and Scandinavia as a whole fell, along with the French getting steamrolled. Seriously, Western Europe is rather easy country to overrun once you get over a few major rivers.
Wait, fuck really?
Links to new ones then. I'm a little autistic about building timelines of shit like this.
We used ICBM's. That's why the America's are safe, because we nuked northern Canada when the hive touched down there. We also use them to nuke incoming hives like giant shaped charges in space.
>Is there an in-universe reason why tactical nuclear weapons are not deployed against the hives? Or fucking ICBMs?
Delivery system isn't as easy as pressing a button and watching the missiles fly, thanks to lasers.
There's also strong political pressure to not poison the land you're trying to recapture with radioactive fallout.
With that said, when reoccupying the land around the Hive is not a concern, they do use laserjagd+satellite nuke cannon tactics to strike JFK Hive for devastating effect in Unlimited TDA.
They did but once a hive starts making Laser class they'll just shoot it down.
Lasers can miss. They just have a lot of them, and they're LASERS.
I think it's fucking retarded too because there's other highly effective weapons you can use and lasers used in atmosphere lose potency quite fast the longer the range, but the author obviously is a retard so...
>Wait, fuck really?
The All Ages Edition (i.e. most canon version) of maps can be found on the timeline on the wiki.
I don't have the game installed anymore so I can't post pictures but IIRC the original 18+ version of Unlimited's maps had some kind of crazy BETA progression where the entire Eurasia had already fallen in the late 70s and BETA were already flooding into Africa at that time, but mysteriously they hadn't progressed very much further than that by the time the game takes place in 2001.
Anyone who still has the game can post pictures of that?
>Being made of flesh with all its limitations themselves?
They're von Neumann organic machines directed by a quantum supercomputer and powered by bullshittium so I can believe it.
I'll expand this, as we can see in those images, by 1984 the writing was on the wall for Europe. With the Scandinavian Front having been breached, the Danish basically payed with blood money to keep the Kiel Canal open to get the Swedish out. Then Skjaelling fell and they have to pull out. Fucking Danes man, no idea how they managed to pull off the impossible there, with little more time to prepare than the French.
Europe is fucked by 85 and 86, that's two to three years after the Oder Line kicks the bucket. French act like cunts the whole time, no surprise, and everyone runs to Britain and Africa that can.
>THEY HOLD THE JUTLAND
That image is giving me a serious warboner
>Defeating almost everyone in euro-asia
>invade into the heart of africa
That's some insane shit.
They didn't. The map is noncanon now.
This is the map of the situation in 84. BETA are over the Rhine. Thanks De Gaulle, you doomed a continent by denying them french support.
How can she be a traitor when it was the 666th who had betrayed the state first?
>posting with Beatrix
>a woman who routinely tried to fuck over her KGB handlers
>a woman who casually states treasonous lines such as "Moscow is a dead city" to piss off Soviets
>a woman who plotted against and killed the effective ruler of the DDR
>a woman who was cutting secret deals with the West
>a woman who hates the DDR and its citizenry more intensely than any other character in SM
I don't know what they were thinking. This line may have made sense coming out of LN Beato's mouth, but not anime Beato (unless she is being sarcastic or trying to get under Iris's skin)
Goddammit, he was right, and we all laughed at him. The cake and twin peaks joke, and now Jurgen getting brought up by her.
What's next, are we going to find out that she was fucking Theo behind everyone's back?
Well anon. All we need to do to kill hives is to make ICBM re-entry vehicles strike the ground at velocites high as 10km/sec or more and detonate at either surface level or deep inside the ground.
How wet do you think she was here?
Did Genosse Lise get purged? Or am I in trouble now because she's a non-person?
I await too...ah, what was not meant to be.
She's with God soon.
More like he put the policy in place of 'Lol, we're not going to back up NATO because we're too fucking full of ourselves.'
De Gaulle deserves a special place in the deepest circle of hell.
Objectively best girl, best hair colour, best personality, best everything. All other girls are cunts one way or another, and Theodor is a fucking idiot.
Lise, on the other hand, deserves and quick and sudden end. Her suffering at the hand at the Stasi has bought her that much mercy in my book. But her subsequent betrayal has forfeited her life. I say, 9x18mm Makarov through the skull.
>what is sovereignity
Not before Theo tells her she`s an impostor for his sister who died long time ago. Make all her shit meaningless, and you don`t even have to kill her.
>Fuck NATO I'll doom the world to nuclear fire before I will even throw french soldiers against the Russians.
Nothing wrong with having your nukes. What is wrong is basically considering yourself the top dog in the alliance when you aren't, and refusing to get along with others.
but anon pic related is already perfect
Fucking hell anons, you are bring back to much bitter sweet memories.
but I presonally prefer this ED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwVdfPen2jA
Hey Katia, I heard you want protection
>bored waiting for the show
>start reading the English translated light novel
>mfw realize how much better the LN is over the anime
>also realize that it is going to take forever for the rest of LN to get translated as so far it is only 1/3 done
Oh well at least I have a better background of each character.
I hope Beato is like Momoyo from majikoi
Dominating any men in streets but totaly submissive and derere in sheets.
Only right response.
>Dominating any men in streets but totaly submissive and derere in sheets.
I'm sure she would just rape you in the sheets.
>What is Jurgen
Besides, I don't think she'd be able to overpower any of the men in SM.
In the LN they have more personality and are more expressive as you can actually be empathetic with them while the anime characters are more cookie cutter, cardboard cut outs.
>What is Jurgen
>implying he isn't a sub bitch that loves getting pegged by his master
>tfw love deterrence would be a perfect fit for the show and would be a better opening theme rather than that abortion they have right now
He looks like he's the one taking the lead in a lot of their interactions. He kissed her afterall. She even tries to be domestic around him, cooking food for him or sending him treats while he's away. That's some pretty deredere sub behavior right there.
Granted, anyone else, like say Theo, and she'd be a ball crusher.
>In the LN they have more personality and are more expressive as you can actually be empathetic with them while the anime characters are more cookie cutter, cardboard cut outs.
Beatrix and Lise are still total cunts, right?
That is a truly explosive song sung by Nana. I feel bad for Chico having to deal with such an explosive women.
White Forces isn't that bad anyway. It's still not as great as Only my Railgun. I want some Jap dev to do a Muv Luv game.
>I'm sure she would just rape you in the sheets.
That's what we were thought before playing momoyo's route, but the imaginations were shattered after her H-scene.
>Now imagine Beato wearing cat ears.
Do you think if Katia became a nopan aidoru and rallied the people, East Germany would have been saved?
I certainly do.
Theo's a siscon, he can't help it.
Luckily for Katia, she's his new little sister.
Katia! Katia!, I heard you wanted a bodyguard
>you will never be the person that warms Beato-sans heart
Why live anon?
Haven't gotten there yet senpai.
Oh I have no clue how it works senpai. They only have one volume done. How many volumes are there?
>How many volumes are there?
SM has 7 Volumes
SM:Requiem has 2 volumes (and they are vital to get a full picture of the story because Theo is an unreliable narrator)
BiS is still ongoing, but it's already on it's third volume
There's also Tomb of Steel, which stars Kurt and many TSFIA shorts about Beatrix and Iris doing cute stasi/nva things.
So it will take years for all this content to be translated? If it gets translated at all?
Beato's introduction and speech should've been enough to tip you off that things are a little different.
Lise doesn't get introduced until Volume II or III.
As an Irisfag, it hurts.
Theo looks up to her as a mentor and not a romantic partner my ass. Fuck you KGNE director. Fuck you long, and hard, and fuck you for ruining Beatrix and Lise too.
>Esdeath with not half as good character design.
>laughing at you
>Has to lie and betray her brother
In her mind, she never betrayed him, she was protecting him, from himself and Iris.
Anime is probably going to go with >>138079602 since it already took out a lot of her nuance
I don't really think they'll remove that, they already alluded to it when she smacked Iris around.
Captain Irisdina I'm Stasi.
Is it telling me to post Takahashi.
Why do people come down so hard on Beatrix and Lise, but love Axmann so much?
The BETA knew better than to touch India.
Why would you even collect statistics on that?
Even if they had enough they still would have fucked the world over worse since they would have had to use more. Alternative V was just as bad for us as it was for the BETA.
By the way, did Alternative V happen in every iteration of the Muv Luv Universe? That would be tragic if it did.
Because he avoids getting blood on his hands. Every SM heroine has had blood on their hands at some point, either from outright having to kill people or being unable to save them, though the latter only applies to Katia (but maybe we'll get psycho Katia in Martyrs). That, naturally, leads to people liking him more because he doesn't actually do anything bad himself. Plus the thing he does that makes people realize he was a scumbag all along, which is trying to kidnap Katia while Theo's busy fighting Beatrix, doesn't happen until the finale. Hell, maybe he'll shoot Katia in the anime. That would be pretty dramatic and sad.
I guess humanity is stuck wandering the stars then in most iterations.
Wait, were all those colony ships nothing more than a PR stunt to make it look like they had made a backup? Because everyone's fucked if that's the case.
We'll bring you freedom soon.
After finishing Alternative the Muv-Luv theme just bring tears to my eyes every time.
>and the hope that we'll find our true feelings.
>I won't give up. Let's put our hearts together.
Truly save in the name of true love.
I hope they have atleast one children before Theo go insane.
There are different kinds of 120mm rounds right? What about 36mm rounds?
He was obsessed with Beatrix and Lise beforehand too. Ketchup knows how to pick em, doesn't he?
In Muv Luv all they have for the 36 mm are high velocity armor piercing and tracer rounds. The 120 MM are the Ben and Jerry's as far as variety of flavors.
He definitely has some top-tier taste in girls. I wonder if Katia will get successfully kidnapped by him in Lise's route. That'd sure be one way of getting Theo to go along with her quickly.
Attractive girls usually hang out with attractive boys.
Well, Katia and Lise already are, Theo being a better boy than Jurgen just makes it a done deal.
Iris loses enough points for chumming it up with her awful bitch of a mom to give Beatrix a chance at triumphing over her.
Tama is my waifu!
Happy Birthday Miki!
No. It's outright stated in BiS that Beatrix is more attractive than Iris, who in turn is more attractive than Lise. As far as comparisons to Katia, that's rather unfair as Katia hasn't fully matured yet.
>relying on what's told to you
Objectively speaking, Beatrix isn't as attractive as Katia. Not BiS Beato, and certainly not SM Beato.
>Katia hasn't fully matured yet.
Nah, she might start guzzling down milk, but Katia is probably going to look the same in 1990 as she does in 1983, because of anime genetics.
You present a compelling argument, but I'm afraid we'll have to diverge. I prefer having her pee herself from overstimulation during the act, a sweet seasoning, rather than a wholly separate act.
I dunno, I think total humiliation goes a bit far, and then it gets boring to me because it happens. Better to taunt her with it and then tease her when she's so relieved she ends up peeing herself anyway. It provides the same amount of humiliation in a lighter, more drawn out package.
>beato-san will never be your swimming partner