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>relatable (if exaggerated) Mc
>nothing too convuluted or try hard
>smoothest transition from comedy to action in any Shonen ever
Was KHR one of the best of all time? What were it's faults? Does it deserve better or worse treatment? Discuss
Author doesn't even know what she's trying to do.
Comedy > romcom > battleshonen > fujobait.
Everything got so fucked up it eventually gave birth to one of the most disappointing endings ever.
No one I know actually likes the story. The only loyal support the series have comes from female weebs who fangirl over the characters, and they also don't like how the story goes.
>There were little to no asspulls
Remember when the rings were a device to transform their aura in flames?
Remember when the Vongola rings had 100% efficiency and thus couldn't be any better?
Remember when Tsuna got a ring upgrade from nowhere just because he needed to defeat Byakuran?
Remember when the rings evolved yet once again to asspull another victory?
I honestly don't think there's enough really good shonen battles out there that I care.
I don't remember much of the plot, but neither Bleach's was good. I stopped about 50 chapters after the anime ended with Bleach. I resemble people theorizing Mizuiro Kojima to be the Spirit King. But Bleach's plot hasn't gone anywhere decent. It should've ended after Rukia's arc.
I don't consider a steady progression system an asspull. Then again, I never claimed there were nevre any asspuls.
KHR is like the textbook fail to deliver manga. It had a bunch of cool little things that unfortunately never really came together. The characters were mostly one note and the battles were forgettable. I think the weakest part of it were the villains for sure though.
I enjoyed the battles and a lot of the characters, and the art is great, but KHR is a prime example of wasted potential in the end. Not to mention the unbelievable power creep.
>Varia arc Tsuna beats Xanxus, who beat 9th, and who's subordinate beat Iemitsu and an Arcobaleno
>immediately loses in the future arc and has to upgrade
>everybody upgrades AGAIN midarc to 100% ring efficiency
>have to get another asspull powerup from their ancestors to beat Byakuran
>immediately get their ass kicked again by Emo boy at 1/7th of his power
>beat him and one of the 1st generation at his full power
>surprise, here come the strongest enemies in the series, who destroy all of the last arc's villains at the same time
>Iemitsu is suddenly stronger than Tsuna despite getting gunned down by a mook robot before
>Tsuna finally defeats the big bad after 2 power ups only for AYY LMAOs to introduce themselves and casually overpower all the strongest characters in the series at their full flame power, including Tsuna, who was uninjured in the last fight, Reborn, etc
Fuck this manga. Tsuna is a fucking horrible MC.
Rikuo from Nurarihyon is another MC who's in line to become the head of a crime family but he fucking accepts it, unlike this sad sack of shit.
as a huge straight while underweight showering male I can safely say Naruto was the bigger panderer to fujoshis.
There's like maybe two or three questionably gay in KHR. Whilst literally everyone is gay in Naruto, I give Kishi props for his brilliant foreshadowing. But KHR has better straight relationships than fucking Naruto. How can you claim it panders to fujos more?
>it eventually gave birth to one of the most disappointing endings ever.
My only problem with it was that it wasn't even a proper ending but aside from that it was not bad I think.
What's so bad about is is that Tsuna shows that he can lead Vongola just fine when he needs to and manned the hell up considerably during the last arc. Then the ending happens and acts like none of that ever happened and that he's still a worthless, idiotic pile of shit who can't do anything without Reborn's help. Regardless of it not being the real ending Amano wanted, it's such a slap in the face.
Besides that, I liked Reborn but the future arc can fuck right off.
What was the author thinking with the future arc?
After the Varia the series could have gone anywhere but nooo let's do some time travel and get into some futuristic pokemon clusterfuck fighting against an inter-dimensional horror for like 300 chapters and see what happens.
>Before the future arc
Simple straightforward plot, great battles, great villains, nice progression of power, Tsuna slowly manning up
>After the future arc
Plot got confusing, battle seem to turn into generic power level battles, lame villains, ass-pull power up, Tsuna bitch out and still doesn't want to become leader, well the art got better so there's that
The manga took a harsh turn after the future arc, I just pretend that it ended at Varia arc.
>Was KHR one of the best of all time
It's literally one of the worst. I don't know how shit your taste has to be to think it's one of the best, or how new you have to be to ask that question seriously.
Nothing to convoluted? Are you freaking kidding me? The future arc was bad enough before bring in parallel universes and shit. Also, Tsuna was PATHETIC outside of battle and didn't develop at all
To this day I am still annoyed by how convoluted the evolution of the rings and shit in the future arc. Hell, everything is so rushed and nothing much really fleshed out especially after that arc.
It is ridiculous but enjoyable enough for me. I just took the whole plot, setting and characters with a grain of salt. The Manga had it's charm to me.
The plot was always over the top and I liked it because of that. Like anything goes, just handwave it away with mafia magic. Plus it stayed mostly lighthearted and character centric the whole time. The comedy was hit or miss, and had it's high point when it was built around the charcters and relationships.
tl;dr: If you liked the concept, it's entertaining enough.
The art in the second half is gorgeous though.
Like you can call it convoluted, but it wasn't difficult to understand and made sense.
Though you'd have the inevitable travel back in time which would mean they'd have less powerlevels but they didn't. That was BS
Comedy is just hard to sell in Japan, its why so many series had to switch formulas and also why some comedies just don't sell even if they are actually funny.
Have you seen the waifu's it had? They may have been useless but you can't deny cuteness.
The art was really good. I certainly hope nobody watched the anime aside from its OP/EDs.
As an east asian male with fujo and straight female weeb friends, I can safely say the only fujo pairing ever popular in Naruto is SasukexNaruto. The series closed everything with canon pairing so fans and even fujos eventually changed their ship worship to the canon ones.
KHR on the other hand has no romantic canon whatsoever, leaving the fujos wild over their MukuroxHibari, YamamotoxTsuna, or whatever slash they can come up with Tsuna as the bottom.
Females, except for Chrome, are just third grade filler roles in that ambiguously gay mafia brotherhood.
Remember when they had motorcycles that they spent a chapter on learning how to use, with emphasis on how important they were to the upcoming battle? And then how they almost immediately dropped them in favor of flying?
That's post-Varia Reborn for you, Amano kept introducing gimmicky power-ups that become obsolete after one battle, or maybe even less than one.
Also the art went to shit, Amano went way overboard on adding effects into every character's attacks, it's a mess of lines and toner.
Nigga, their battle shonen are axed just as often.
And battle shonen is the most monopolized genre too, usually no more than 5 BS manage to survive on Jump, and since the successful series can run for several years, the new ones are trashed without ever having a chance.
>probably the second strongest guardian after Hibari
>tanks hits from incredibly strong fighters and anybody worth his salt could take dynamite explosions without a problem at this point
>knocked out by running into a wall
I recently reread it from the middle of the Future Arc for some reason. It holds out a bit better when you marathon it, but good god the power creep is horrible, and Tsuna doesn't develop as a character enough. Mad sexy in HDW form though.
I did enjoy how the battle scenes were done, and X Burner remains one of my favorite shonenshit attacks based on how Tsuna had to actually train to balance the flames, and it made sense. But as a whole the series was pretty mediocre.
Haru is just crazy, remember that she wanted to fuck a physical 1 year old in her first appearance. Kyoko doesn't even show any signs of liking Tsuna until the last chapter, at which point he's admittingly done a lot of impressive things in HDW mode.
She was properly delegated to cooking assistant after Mukuro escaped. I was happy because it shut down those "Chrome is as good as Mukuro" faggots. She was nothing but a figurehead to be possesed.
Are you someone who literally cannot talk to people or perform any action efficiently?
>Comedy into Action
The power scale flew up way too high after the Varia, they were the only good balanced arc with a clear objective, and a good twist.
All the other arcs struggled with action, and comedy imo.
>Nothing too convuluted
That's because it was the same formula every time
>They get rings
>Enemies get stronger rings
>Protagonist and friends get stronger rings
>New enemy with stronger rings.
Not to mention it applied so hard to fujoshits, anime was complete crap, and they referred to the past way too fucking much.
Also Tsuna literally didn't change, as shown at the end.
An arc with future Tsuna or flash backs would've been amazing.
>I can safely say the only fujo pairing ever popular
it was the most prominent. It was leagues above everything else. But that doesn't mean it's the only thing popular.
They're just closer in popularity with KHR so that's why you don't notice it. But Naruto was rather notorious for it.
Tsuna was an interesting MC at first, pathetic MCs that have to grow into heroes in battleshounen are not that common.
However at some point Tsuna's development froze or even reversed. Even the Tsunabowl was abandoned.
Also Kyoko is the blandest girl character I have ever seen. Chrome a best, Haru a meh.
Completely forgot about this. There were a handful of things in this series that made me laugh that wasn't even supose to be comedic. Pic related is another.
Objectively it goes:
Easy Go > Boys and Girls > 88 > Listen to the Stereo > Dive to World > Funny Sunny Day > Last Cross = Drawing Days