What went wrong? It's not like a fuckton of high school battle harem aren't made each fucking season.
This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series with bland, Gary Sue MCs and yet they sold well.
So what's particularly wrong with picrel?
It has great visuals and good music but it has poor writing and poor pacing. We're halfway through the series and it's still hard to care about the characters given how they still lack development, or the setting given how things haven't properly been explained yet. I feel that the second half is going to be pretty rushed.
VEG was probably not ready to be animated yet so they decided to do PW as a filler project.
I think the biggest reason it's falling flat is the lack of an overarching story. The visuals are good, the setting is meh but passable, girls are cute, but the episodic nature stacked on top of flimsily explained premise is just not enough to keep people engaged while better shows exist this season.
Yeah, but does it really explain the constant bashing it gets. I agree on the pacing, daily episodes centered on a secondary character with the Mc are not a good idea.
How could worse shows succeeds better then? If nips are tired of pandering, then why did other battle Harem succeeded?
Dull cast not even remotely funny compared to KnK.
The bashing it gets can be explained with one word: KyoAni. If any other studio this thing it might hve possibly flown under the radar or otherwise not get as much hate as it is currently getting.
People that want a nice looking show and people that watch battle harems probably don't have that big of a crossover. Phantom World also doesn't go as far to pander to the battle harem audience in comparison to other shows. It just doesn't have enough of a hook, people that want a nice looking show with a decent story will be turned off by the battle harem and the battle harem fans will be turned off by the lack of titillation.
This isn't a battle harem. One thing battle harem have in common is an overarching plot, some generic evil force threatening earth/MC and his harem. This show is completely random about what it is.
Several bad things can be pointed out.
Mc's intro about the episode, every fucking episode.
Useless original character that compromises good scenario setting.
Reina's voice doesn't fit and even though I got used to it I still don't like it.
The ONLY reason that this is not selling is the lack of actual fanservice.
Girl spread her legs but there is no pantyshot. Girl falls on MC but he doest touch her boobs, ass or sinks his face in her crotch (and again no pantyshot). Cowtits girls manages her own tits for magical reasons instead of MC doing it for magical reasons. I dropped this show but I bet MC as never accidentally watched the girls naked.
People keep bitching about story and pacing but who the fuck watches an harem show for the story? Is like when people used to say that they bought porn magazines for the articles.
Can't wait to see the color palette they give this one.
This. You can't make and advertise a product as a fanservice anime then barely have any fanservice.
I'm not saying the girls should be half naked all the time, but godammit we haven't gotten any proper fanservice since the Martial Arts Memories episode.
I watched one episode of this but it was chock full of so much otaku pandering this post is hilarious to me. All that bouncing breast and buruma wasn't fanservice? Then what the fuck was it?
I'm getting tired of this salesfaggotry. At least if they knew what they were talking about. Chivarly barely made even, and Rakudai flopped. Now, how much has Musaigen sold? It's not even fucking out yet.
We're getting ready for Kyoani's doom every other season, until the BDs are released, and then we get the "find a way" faggots.
Image related, Hibike got good at ep8.
If you look at Pixiv, Phantom World IS among few most popular anime this season (the only competitors having comparable amount of art are Dagashi and Osomatsu). So yeah, it appeals to fanservice crowd a lot, and KyoAni could have capitalized on it (it still can with Daikimura`s and figurines - the fact people dont buy BDs does not mean they dont care about it).
I made it through Rakudai and Asterisk and they were mediocre, but somewhat fun and watchable. I dropped Musaigen no Garbage 3 episodes in because it was boring as shit. All of it's 500 sales this season are from the most hardcore Kyoani glue-eaters that would still preorder if Kyoani took a dump in an empty BD case and shipped it.
I really don't think this show is as bad as people make it out to be. There are far, far worse shows out there. I'd much rather watch this show than a majority of battle harems I've seen.
I'm irritated because it has an obvious setup for plot to occur, yet we're past the halfway mark and we've barely had a scene saying "yeah we couldn't get the obvious plot hook device to work".
I'm just sick of 12-episode anime wasting time then rushing plot on the tail end when they could've compressed shit and had plenty of time to do things.
What I do know is that if this show bombs me and my /tg/ group are picking the setting up for a campaign, so if it ends up being shit it won't be too terrible.
It´s just another high school battle.
Kyoani magic cant save this shit
>I'm just sick of 12-episode anime wasting time then rushing plot on the tail end
This wouldn't be a problem if most anime weren't adaptations of unfinished works. Maybe one day the industry will evolve but I doubt it.
I figure it's a problem that occurs because generally anime is used as a marketing tool.
>LN is okay but not terribly popular because it's an LN or niche or something
>Well let's make an anime of it! We'll get a big name studio to animate it, a few decent VAs, and it'll advertise the series and get people interested in the LNs!
Except they do this before there's any real plot to adapt or before the writers are settled on a specific direction to shoot for an ending, meaning you end up wasting time on filler bullshit while the source gets its shit together. That works out fine for longer-running works like shounens that get dozens and dozens of episodes, but when you have 12~24 episodes to work with, you need to actually know what you're going to to for those episodes and get your foot in the mental door so that people get interested in a S2 and/or the source material.
The biggest problems are that there's no plot, Koito is the only character deeper than a puddle, and it's just... boring, at least Bahamut this season has crossdressing Lux, harem antics, and plenty of best girl (Krul).
I'd rather watch a battle harem, to be honest.
>This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series with bland, Gary Sue MCs and yet they sold well.
You just answered your own question. Why do you think SAO did well too?
Not that guy but Mai clearly has a jealous streak. She has a number of moments where she's shown visibly irritated exclusively because a different girl is paying attention to Haruhiko.
She devalues him to make him seem less appealing to other women but either doesn't know or doesn't have the guts to mark her territory properly.
>Captcha: Fourth Free
You're mistaking his use as a comedic sandbag for him being disliked. Koito obviously cares enough to force herself to interact with him even though she doesn't like people, you've already said Reina likes him, and he and Mai have been friends for a while before the story even starts. Kurumi's barely been around but she very clearly likes him.
In any case it's not a harem because it's not much of a romcom nor are all the characters clearly after his dick.
It's not even clear that ANY of the characters are after his dick, nor he after any of the girls. Ruru talks shit about him liking girls with huge chests and looking into his porn habits, but otherwise you'd think that Haruhiko just spent his entire time reading up on random trivia and practicing drawing.
The only time he seems to express anything even remotely sexual is when he memorizes Mai's measurements and when she started wearing a bra.
>high school battle harem
not battle, and not harem
If anything, it's a group of weird people being put in silly situations episodically. The storyline is nothing like your average high school battle harem.
Which explains why things like this won't do as well compared to something like asterisk war, which while being garbage, scratches that itch that people who want to watch battle harem have. If you look at it more as a weird episodic character showcase, it kind of works, but it's just not strange enough to appeal to that crowd.
It's got the random trivia that tries to appeal to chuunis but it's almost too benignly self-aware about how irrelevant all that information is (limbo is a land for those waiting around and that has nothing to do with limbo the game, marchosias becomes a mostly ineffectual puppy, schroedinger's cat is a criticism and this cat lived due to a disproved quantum assertion). It's basically taking potshots at tropes in the LN medium while still trying to appeal to those same people.
Basically, it's an identity crisis, and worse, if it wants those people who don't really like LN conventions, it doesn't quite go far enough in the opposite direction to make it an outstanding watch. So far bunny family and bear episode were probably the best for being strange animation showcases with simple but bizarre stand-alone plots.
>This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series
That's because this one as an anime adaptation almost isn't wish fulfillment at all. Other than being the generic know-it-all MC (who learns everything because he happens to read a lot: absurd), he's a mostly pointless character who gets maybe a couple scenes of any real intimate time with a girl and is very poor at taking care of phantoms. He doesn't give the general audience what they want from this genre.
the main problem is that all the gimmicks of the main characters are really boring and unexciting
>draw in a book and it seals the monster or does something else
>kick and punch people with elements
>make loud noises
>giant teddy bear
almost fell asleep typing that out
Sure, a lot of the scenes are just there to look pretty, but a good number of them are also used to evoke themes or story elements in a creative way. They might not be very obtuse or deep, but what's wrong with that? Phantom World at it's core is a pretty simple story about people and youkai and how and why they affect each other the way they do, so having needlessly obtuse visuals is just that: needless.
Why don't you think any of the screens in that image add to the show's atmosphere? I'd say all of them do. The landscapes and interiors and palettes add to the comfy rustic setting, while the 'delusions' or however you'd like to call them illustrate whatever they're talking about in pretty straightforward ways that tend to be more visually creative and engaging (not to mention reflective of characters) than simply having a slideshow of flapping mouths.
Phantom World is basically old youkai stories given a more modern mix.
as opposed to
>has a sword
right? those powers are just so unique, original, and fresh!
you can make anything look bad if you set out to say it like that
>oh, all girls are animal coded instead of color coded
>oh, all girls are sluts
>oh, all girls have mental issues
>oh, bad animation
>oh, shitty puns in the dialog
see how it's easy?
you're missing the point
most people would rather have a sword and a fireball than have a stupid book that does nothing
they certainly are novel powers but they're still pretty boring and unexicitng
Those criticisms apply to an even greater degree to other, more successful battle harems like Rakudai and Asterisk. Especially in the fanservice and and boring premise department. Clearly there's something else about the execution that doesn't catch fire.
>Found the generic Battle Harem viewer
Actually the book has the ability to be super overpowered and SO COOL. It can seal away enemy phantoms AND it can summon phantoms drawn on it. The problem is that it's treated as a gag. The MC doesn't get to be the badass who save the girl with his party of ferocious summoned god beings, instead he summons a puppy despite his intentions.
I guarantee that if they had played the genre straight and just filled it with harem hijinks and did super over the top flashy battles using those same powers, it would have been more popular. Like how shitty Hollywood action movies are popular.
>a stupid book that does nothing
see, you're doing it again.
It's not a book that does nothing, he has the ability to summon phantoms and capture them. You're making it sound worse on purpose.
Haruhiko's just got no MP so he can only summon shit-tier summons despite shooting for the good ones.
Once Mai forces him to actually build up some stamina
sexuallyhe'll be able to summon the real shit, but of course we'll never see this because 7 episodes of character introductions and CATS.
I dropped this at episode 2.
Boring as shit and if people want their "comfy" anime then atleast watch that kono suba shit since atleast that doesn't suck as bad as this whack shit.
Whoever allows kyoani to adapt these whack LN's needs to get fired.
I've managed to watched all three of the battle harems last season, but I simply cannot make myself to watch episode 6 of this.The fact that it's kyoani who's making this shit makes it more painful, I guess.
The phantom parents episode was good though.
>Boring as shit and if people want their "comfy" anime then atleast watch that kono suba shit since atleast that doesn't suck as bad as this whack shit.
I'm watching both, because why not. :^)
Are you gonna sit there and honestly say phantom trash is better than kono suba?
>I'm eating food and also shit because why not :^)
I'm watching this for Mai because she is cute and sexy.