[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Search | Home]
4Archive logo
What went wrong? It's not like a fuckton...
If images are not shown try to refresh the page. If you like this website, please disable any AdBlock software!

You are currently reading a thread in /a/ - Anime & Manga

Thread replies: 143
Thread images: 15
File: images(5).jpg (13 KB, 232x218) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
images(5).jpg
13 KB, 232x218
What went wrong? It's not like a fuckton of high school battle harem aren't made each fucking season.
This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series with bland, Gary Sue MCs and yet they sold well.

So what's particularly wrong with picrel?
>>
It's just like the other.
>>
Cant believe that is actually worse than KnK, I dont know wtf was kyoani thinking when they chose this shitty LN
>>
>>137771547
>Manabi line Chivalry and upper tier flop Asterisk
>Selling well

Phantom World is shit but bait harder
>>
>>137771656
Idk, I find it enjoyable. The girls are good, it's comfy.
>>
>>137771547
Need to start interviewing otaku individually and ask that question
>>
>>137771547
It has great visuals and good music but it has poor writing and poor pacing. We're halfway through the series and it's still hard to care about the characters given how they still lack development, or the setting given how things haven't properly been explained yet. I feel that the second half is going to be pretty rushed.

>>137771656
VEG was probably not ready to be animated yet so they decided to do PW as a filler project.
>>
>>137771547
Aired in the wrong season.
>>
>>137771547
Otaku are probably too disgusted by the fujo pandering kyoani had it's hand in to support them anymore.
>>
I think the biggest reason it's falling flat is the lack of an overarching story. The visuals are good, the setting is meh but passable, girls are cute, but the episodic nature stacked on top of flimsily explained premise is just not enough to keep people engaged while better shows exist this season.
>>
>>137771850
Yeah, but does it really explain the constant bashing it gets. I agree on the pacing, daily episodes centered on a secondary character with the Mc are not a good idea.

>>137771930
>>137771929

How could worse shows succeeds better then? If nips are tired of pandering, then why did other battle Harem succeeded?
>>
Dull cast not even remotely funny compared to KnK.
>>
>>137772003
The bashing it gets can be explained with one word: KyoAni. If any other studio this thing it might hve possibly flown under the radar or otherwise not get as much hate as it is currently getting.
>>
>>137772003
People that want a nice looking show and people that watch battle harems probably don't have that big of a crossover. Phantom World also doesn't go as far to pander to the battle harem audience in comparison to other shows. It just doesn't have enough of a hook, people that want a nice looking show with a decent story will be turned off by the battle harem and the battle harem fans will be turned off by the lack of titillation.
>>
>>137772003
Phantom World isn't even a battle harem, it's supernatural shenanigans: the anime.
>>
>>137772003
This isn't a battle harem. One thing battle harem have in common is an overarching plot, some generic evil force threatening earth/MC and his harem. This show is completely random about what it is.
>>
There is nothing particularly bad about it, it's just boring
>>
>>137772195
Mitsuki's early design fit with the cast better compared to the greasy basketball head Mitsuki in the end result.
>>
>>137771547
>it's not
It is.
>>
>>137771850
I doubt VEG will be done any soon. They`ll do Hibike S2, KnK movie and possibly even some other show before it.
>>
>>137772564
do you have trouble reading?
>>
>tfw I'm having more fun than most of /a/ because I like supernatural episodic shenanigans and Kyoani's unrivaled character design
Feels good.
>>
>>137771547
Several bad things can be pointed out.
Mc's intro about the episode, every fucking episode.
Useless original character that compromises good scenario setting.
Reina's voice doesn't fit and even though I got used to it I still don't like it.
>>
What exactly is the difference between this and Monogatari except it's better animated?
>>
File: 1446368368592.png (156 KB, 1100x1140) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1446368368592.png
156 KB, 1100x1140
>>137772641
Soon?
>>
>>137772778
Maybe

Coppelia never
>>
>>137771547
The ONLY reason that this is not selling is the lack of actual fanservice.

Girl spread her legs but there is no pantyshot. Girl falls on MC but he doest touch her boobs, ass or sinks his face in her crotch (and again no pantyshot). Cowtits girls manages her own tits for magical reasons instead of MC doing it for magical reasons. I dropped this show but I bet MC as never accidentally watched the girls naked.

People keep bitching about story and pacing but who the fuck watches an harem show for the story? Is like when people used to say that they bought porn magazines for the articles.
>>
>>137771547
Not enough Ruru.
>>
>>137771656
>worse than KnK
I wouldn't go that far, KnK was particularly awful.
>>
File: palette.jpg (2 KB, 299x43) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
palette.jpg
2 KB, 299x43
>>137772778
Can't wait to see the color palette they give this one.
>>
>>137772955
KnK had Movie that "fixed" it like TLR did with Tamako. Phantom World is yet to get KyoAni movie.
>>
>>137771547
Rakudai isn't a harem though, but I get your point.
>>
>>137772886
This. You can't make and advertise a product as a fanservice anime then barely have any fanservice.

I'm not saying the girls should be half naked all the time, but godammit we haven't gotten any proper fanservice since the Martial Arts Memories episode.
>>
>>137771547
>and yet they sold well

4k sales is good?

Harems sell like shit for a long time.
>>
>>137773043
As much as I adored KnK the movie was just needlessly tacked on
>>
>>137772195

KnK was also shit and sold like shit.
>>
>>137773103
Than you adored it for false reasons, because its only OAV and Movie that are proper "KnK" and not dumbed down family friendly all-ages sol version that was TV.
>>
>>137772886
I watched one episode of this but it was chock full of so much otaku pandering this post is hilarious to me. All that bouncing breast and buruma wasn't fanservice? Then what the fuck was it?
>>
>>137771547
Nothing happens. It's just the same inconsequential bullshit every episode.
>>
>>137773087
Kyoani supposed to be pure, I told you so many times.
>>
>>137772886

Autism. A ton of harem LN anime with actual fanservice sell like shit every season. Fanservice won't make shit sell.
>>
File: 1432700327226.jpg (515 KB, 1920x1080) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1432700327226.jpg
515 KB, 1920x1080
I'm getting tired of this salesfaggotry. At least if they knew what they were talking about. Chivarly barely made even, and Rakudai flopped. Now, how much has Musaigen sold? It's not even fucking out yet.

We're getting ready for Kyoani's doom every other season, until the BDs are released, and then we get the "find a way" faggots.
Image related, Hibike got good at ep8.
>>
>>137773184
You say that, but FMP had nipples.
>>
>>137773188
If you look at Pixiv, Phantom World IS among few most popular anime this season (the only competitors having comparable amount of art are Dagashi and Osomatsu). So yeah, it appeals to fanservice crowd a lot, and KyoAni could have capitalized on it (it still can with Daikimura`s and figurines - the fact people dont buy BDs does not mean they dont care about it).
>>
File: 2012-06-01 15.52.52.jpg (403 KB, 1536x2048) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
2012-06-01 15.52.52.jpg
403 KB, 1536x2048
>>137773198
>Hibike got good at ep8
>>
>>137773184
Haruhi and Chuu2 had pantyshots.
>>
>>137773198
Ep 8 was a masterpiece
>>
If it's so bad why do you guys follow it every week and talk about it everyday?
>>
>>137773234
It had incest and gore too.
>>
>>137771547

I made it through Rakudai and Asterisk and they were mediocre, but somewhat fun and watchable. I dropped Musaigen no Garbage 3 episodes in because it was boring as shit. All of it's 500 sales this season are from the most hardcore Kyoani glue-eaters that would still preorder if Kyoani took a dump in an empty BD case and shipped it.
>>
There's literally nothing interesting about it. Characters are bland. Plot is bland. Setting is bland. Even the visuals are nothing to write home about.
>>
File: 55346020_p0.jpg (397 KB, 655x818) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
55346020_p0.jpg
397 KB, 655x818
I really don't think this show is as bad as people make it out to be. There are far, far worse shows out there. I'd much rather watch this show than a majority of battle harems I've seen.
>>
>>137773473
It's not bad, it's just nothing.
I'm waiting for the something though.
>>
>>137773342
And if I remember, some bestiality? There was a scene that implied Gates was getting off on some furry animals.
>>
>>137772739
A lot?
>>
>>137772886
>The ONLY reason that this is not selling is the lack of actual fanservice.
Didn't affect Hibike
>>
>>137773473
I'm irritated because it has an obvious setup for plot to occur, yet we're past the halfway mark and we've barely had a scene saying "yeah we couldn't get the obvious plot hook device to work".

I'm just sick of 12-episode anime wasting time then rushing plot on the tail end when they could've compressed shit and had plenty of time to do things.

What I do know is that if this show bombs me and my /tg/ group are picking the setting up for a campaign, so if it ends up being shit it won't be too terrible.
>>
File: 1455952705949.png (19 KB, 406x388) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1455952705949.png
19 KB, 406x388
>>137771547

It´s just another high school battle.
Kyoani magic cant save this shit
>>
>>137773198
It got good at episode 7
It got great at episode 8
>>
>>137773704
>I'm just sick of 12-episode anime wasting time then rushing plot on the tail end

This wouldn't be a problem if most anime weren't adaptations of unfinished works. Maybe one day the industry will evolve but I doubt it.
>>
>>137773704
Only one novel existed when they started on this, they had to pad it out somehow.
>>
>>137771547

Kyoani-fags are too busy with the "best girl" thing, meanwhile how the reddit boogeyman have real Phantom World discussion
>>
>>137773872
I'm a bit afraid that VEG adaptation will end up like this.
>>
>>137773976
VEG seems better suited as a movie. I wouldn't be surprised if they go that route.
>>
>>137773869
I figure it's a problem that occurs because generally anime is used as a marketing tool.
>LN is okay but not terribly popular because it's an LN or niche or something
>Well let's make an anime of it! We'll get a big name studio to animate it, a few decent VAs, and it'll advertise the series and get people interested in the LNs!

Except they do this before there's any real plot to adapt or before the writers are settled on a specific direction to shoot for an ending, meaning you end up wasting time on filler bullshit while the source gets its shit together. That works out fine for longer-running works like shounens that get dozens and dozens of episodes, but when you have 12~24 episodes to work with, you need to actually know what you're going to to for those episodes and get your foot in the mental door so that people get interested in a S2 and/or the source material.
>>
Koito a shit.
>>
At least girls are cute :^)
>>
The biggest problems are that there's no plot, Koito is the only character deeper than a puddle, and it's just... boring, at least Bahamut this season has crossdressing Lux, harem antics, and plenty of best girl (Krul).

I'd rather watch a battle harem, to be honest.
>>
>>137774347
Mai has some depth, but it's not touched upon outside of her episode. The loli and Reina are cute but have no godamn point in existing.
>>
File: 1455743777614.jpg (31 KB, 354x484) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1455743777614.jpg
31 KB, 354x484
>>137774347
>>137774414
>>
>>137771547
>yet they sold well.
No, they didn't.
>>
>>137773869
This is the evolution. The previous stage was "just make up your own ending/plot and use the characters from the manga!" which I honestly think was worse a lot of the time.
>>
>>137773691
Hibiki is yuribait drama show

Different kind of shows need different kind of fanservice
>>
>>137771547

Musaigen will probably outsell Rakudai and Asterisk though. Or at least match Rakudai. And those two didn't "sell well".
>>
>>137771705

God damn kill yourself for liking this shit and using comfy
>>
>>137775231
autism
>>
File: Hinako-sigh.png (329 KB, 603x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Hinako-sigh.png
329 KB, 603x720
>>137771547
>This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series with bland, Gary Sue MCs and yet they sold well.

You just answered your own question. Why do you think SAO did well too?
>>
>>137771547
Kyoani made it but it wasn't excellent.
>>
>>137772886
>an harem show
But it's not a harem because the girls don't actually like him.
>>
>>137771547
Kyoani and limbo is what went wrong
>>
>>137777081
>the girls don't actually like him.
Are we watching the same show?
>>
>>137777186
yeah, Like maybe Reina likes him a little, the rest could care less about his existence.
>>
>>137772195
worst femMC in eons? or what? god that bitch irritates the shit out of me. even yui from k-on was better.
>>
>>137777300
What? No. Also shit taste.
>>
File: Not Kira Kira.jpg (51 KB, 854x480) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Not Kira Kira.jpg
51 KB, 854x480
>>137777261
Not that guy but Mai clearly has a jealous streak. She has a number of moments where she's shown visibly irritated exclusively because a different girl is paying attention to Haruhiko.

She devalues him to make him seem less appealing to other women but either doesn't know or doesn't have the guts to mark her territory properly.

>Captcha: Fourth Free
>>
File: boob physics.jpg (48 KB, 550x461) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
boob physics.jpg
48 KB, 550x461
Need i say less
>>
>>137777261

You're mistaking his use as a comedic sandbag for him being disliked. Koito obviously cares enough to force herself to interact with him even though she doesn't like people, you've already said Reina likes him, and he and Mai have been friends for a while before the story even starts. Kurumi's barely been around but she very clearly likes him.

In any case it's not a harem because it's not much of a romcom nor are all the characters clearly after his dick.
>>
>>137773198
Kyoani is just like PA Works; they find a way but then lose it again, rinse and repeat.
>>
>>137777418
>She devalues him to make him seem less appealing to other women

She does it to mask her feelings obviously.
>>
>>137773704
Maybe that's why Madoka has such staying power; it actually got moving on its plot from the beginning and kept moving with minimal wasted scenes.
>>
Remember when people called it a next BIG thing?
>>
>>137777418
Yeah maybe. I guess that makes sense.
>>
>>137777743
It's not even clear that ANY of the characters are after his dick, nor he after any of the girls. Ruru talks shit about him liking girls with huge chests and looking into his porn habits, but otherwise you'd think that Haruhiko just spent his entire time reading up on random trivia and practicing drawing.

The only time he seems to express anything even remotely sexual is when he memorizes Mai's measurements and when she started wearing a bra.
>>
>>137778012
No. Even the most devout kyoanifags went in with some level of trepidation.
>>
>>137778012
No, because that never happened.
>>
>>137772955
Even without the movie KnK is way better than Musaigen shit
>>
>>137778012
Nobody did that though.
>>
>>137771547
>high school battle harem
not battle, and not harem
If anything, it's a group of weird people being put in silly situations episodically. The storyline is nothing like your average high school battle harem.
>>
>>137777826
The only was PA Works has found is Uchouten Kazoku.
>>
>>137779063
this
>>
>>137779063
>The only was
only way*
>>
>>137779063

Shirobako is excellent and it's important.
>>
>>137779141
Most boring color palette of the decade award
>>
>>137779224

Cause Uchouten Kazoku's totally wasn't boring. Right.
>>
>>137772269
>>137772383
Which explains why things like this won't do as well compared to something like asterisk war, which while being garbage, scratches that itch that people who want to watch battle harem have. If you look at it more as a weird episodic character showcase, it kind of works, but it's just not strange enough to appeal to that crowd.

It's got the random trivia that tries to appeal to chuunis but it's almost too benignly self-aware about how irrelevant all that information is (limbo is a land for those waiting around and that has nothing to do with limbo the game, marchosias becomes a mostly ineffectual puppy, schroedinger's cat is a criticism and this cat lived due to a disproved quantum assertion). It's basically taking potshots at tropes in the LN medium while still trying to appeal to those same people.

Basically, it's an identity crisis, and worse, if it wants those people who don't really like LN conventions, it doesn't quite go far enough in the opposite direction to make it an outstanding watch. So far bunny family and bear episode were probably the best for being strange animation showcases with simple but bizarre stand-alone plots.

>>137771547
>This Rakudai and Asterisk garbages were much worse wish fulfillment series
That's because this one as an anime adaptation almost isn't wish fulfillment at all. Other than being the generic know-it-all MC (who learns everything because he happens to read a lot: absurd), he's a mostly pointless character who gets maybe a couple scenes of any real intimate time with a girl and is very poor at taking care of phantoms. He doesn't give the general audience what they want from this genre.
>>
>>137779224

If we're gonna go that way, Glasslip, NagiAsu, and Charlotte are all leagues above everything else they've done.
>>
>>137779261
First of all, it isn't.
Second of all, how is that related to Shirobako's boring color palette?
>>
the main problem is that all the gimmicks of the main characters are really boring and unexciting

>draw in a book and it seals the monster or does something else
>kick and punch people with elements
>eat everything
>make loud noises
>giant teddy bear

almost fell asleep typing that out
>>
>>137779063
That Uchouten Kazoku guy is the only good director they have.
>>
>>137779310
The abilities are cool. The problem is that the characters behind them are dull.
>>
>>137779304
Only NnA of those three has a good palette.

>>137779325
And the one they use the least, apparently. Although I guess it's better that way, instead of giving him bad material.
>>
Sure, a lot of the scenes are just there to look pretty, but a good number of them are also used to evoke themes or story elements in a creative way. They might not be very obtuse or deep, but what's wrong with that? Phantom World at it's core is a pretty simple story about people and youkai and how and why they affect each other the way they do, so having needlessly obtuse visuals is just that: needless.

Why don't you think any of the screens in that image add to the show's atmosphere? I'd say all of them do. The landscapes and interiors and palettes add to the comfy rustic setting, while the 'delusions' or however you'd like to call them illustrate whatever they're talking about in pretty straightforward ways that tend to be more visually creative and engaging (not to mention reflective of characters) than simply having a slideshow of flapping mouths.

Phantom World is basically old youkai stories given a more modern mix.
>>
>>137771547
>What went wrong?
No plot. Shameless fanservice. Boring premise and characters.
>>
>>137779304
None of those three have stand-out colouring though.
>>
>>137779435

But that's wrong.
>>
>>137779310
as opposed to

>has a sword
>uses fireball

right? those powers are just so unique, original, and fresh!

you can make anything look bad if you set out to say it like that

>monogatari
>oh, all girls are animal coded instead of color coded
>oh, all girls are sluts
>oh, all girls have mental issues
>oh, fanservice
>oh, headtilts
>oh, bad animation
>oh, shitty puns in the dialog

see how it's easy?
>>
>>137779477
you're missing the point
most people would rather have a sword and a fireball than have a stupid book that does nothing

they certainly are novel powers but they're still pretty boring and unexicitng
>>
>>137779417
Those criticisms apply to an even greater degree to other, more successful battle harems like Rakudai and Asterisk. Especially in the fanservice and and boring premise department. Clearly there's something else about the execution that doesn't catch fire.
>>
>>137779692
The details of the setting and plot almost never matter in how good a show is. Characters are everything, and PW's characters suck. The powers are utterly unimportant.
>>
>>137779692
>Found the generic Battle Harem viewer

Actually the book has the ability to be super overpowered and SO COOL. It can seal away enemy phantoms AND it can summon phantoms drawn on it. The problem is that it's treated as a gag. The MC doesn't get to be the badass who save the girl with his party of ferocious summoned god beings, instead he summons a puppy despite his intentions.

I guarantee that if they had played the genre straight and just filled it with harem hijinks and did super over the top flashy battles using those same powers, it would have been more popular. Like how shitty Hollywood action movies are popular.
>>
>>137779692
>a stupid book that does nothing
see, you're doing it again.

It's not a book that does nothing, he has the ability to summon phantoms and capture them. You're making it sound worse on purpose.
>>
>>137779463
But it isn't.
>>
>>137779951
In another anime, having the ability to summon and control phantoms is considered too overpowered and even worth risking your life for it.
>>
>>137780014
Haruhiko's just got no MP so he can only summon shit-tier summons despite shooting for the good ones.

Once Mai forces him to actually build up some stamina sexually he'll be able to summon the real shit, but of course we'll never see this because 7 episodes of character introductions and CATS.
>>
>>137772739
Try less obvious bait next time
>>
>>137771547
>What went wrong?
who cares, i will still watch the show.
>>
>>137780137
It's 13 episode right ? That's fucking retarded
>>
>>137779310

Eat everything is cool as fuck. The problem is she stopped doing it.
>>
>>137779477

Their powers are good but they never do anything interesting with it.
>>
I dropped this at episode 2.

Boring as shit and if people want their "comfy" anime then atleast watch that kono suba shit since atleast that doesn't suck as bad as this whack shit.

Whoever allows kyoani to adapt these whack LN's needs to get fired.
>>
>>137771547
I've managed to watched all three of the battle harems last season, but I simply cannot make myself to watch episode 6 of this.The fact that it's kyoani who's making this shit makes it more painful, I guess.

The phantom parents episode was good though.
>>
>>137782716
>whack
>recommending konosuba
>>
>>137771705
Takes more than that for an anime to be good.

The writing just lets this down so hard. The episode with the quiet girl was one of the most generic I've ever seen.
>>
>>137782716
>Boring as shit and if people want their "comfy" anime then atleast watch that kono suba shit since atleast that doesn't suck as bad as this whack shit.
I'm watching both, because why not. :^)
>>
>>137779995
Except it is
>>
>>137782812
One of those puts a smile on my face and the other one puts me to sleep.
>>
>>137782855
Then you've got very low standards.
>>
File: Yuka_Hanazawa.png (507 KB, 1254x706) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Yuka_Hanazawa.png
507 KB, 1254x706
>>137782785
Are you gonna sit there and honestly say phantom trash is better than kono suba?

>>137782812
>I'm eating food and also shit because why not :^)
>>
>>137783068
>I'm eating shit and also diarrhea because why not :^)
>>
>>137783156
Well, when you're already eating diarrhea, everything else is going to taste like shit.
>>
File: CbVo4sjUAAAxWu1.jpg (36 KB, 600x337) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
CbVo4sjUAAAxWu1.jpg
36 KB, 600x337
>>137783068
I'm watching this for Mai because she is cute and sexy.
>>
>>137783985
Prime example of a great character in a crappy show.
Thread replies: 143
Thread images: 15
Thread DB ID: 534758



[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Home]

[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Home]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the shown content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows their content, archived. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content, then use the post's [Report] link! If a post is not removed within 24h contact me at [email protected] with the post's information.