>>137745702 This. I watched it wondering what all the fuss was about and why people liked this Haruhi character and I ended up only pissed off about how obnoxious and self-important she was. Her fans are most likely self-important and obnoxious as well.
>>137747390 I agree. The series is great eye-candy, but the story, the characters, the writing, it's nothing remarkable.
>>137743394 Monotagari, i just couldn't fin any enjoyment in it. To a lesser degree K-On, i usually marathon any series i download and it felt like K-On isnt meant for that. Enjoyed it initially but lost interest. Might pick it up again
Almost everything Aniplex has made since the decade started pretty much. It's like they can produce the most top to bottom mediocre crap and everybody will be jizzing over the production values, "mature writing", "deconstructions" and how "original" it is. I swear it must be like the entire anime community to completely turned over in the last few years and to this new generation they can do absolutely no wrong and are always at the forefront of every season. It's made the anime community almost intolerable and full of pretentious idiot teenagers now.
100% agree. It started with Monogatari, then Fairy Tail, then it become Madoka, then Fate, Kill la Kill, then A/Z, then Fate again, then Charlotte and so on with probably some shit I'm forgetting inbetween since now it's like literally every season with the latest example being Erased and Grimgar. Literally just find the Aniplex shows and those are your guaranteed overhyped clusterfucks that everybody watches and seemingly swears are the most amazing things ever conceived.
By the time A/Z hit I was just like why even bother as I watched people go from thinking it was the mecha anime of a lifetime to hating it by the end and was literally just like "well what did you fucking expect?" It's like people enjoy getting led along by corporate hype mongering only to end up disappointed or entirely polarized over a series by the end. Stay tuned for the same shit to happen next season with Kiznaiver and Phoenix Wright, like not even a question, just book it.
It is peerless in its execution of the psychological genre and features compelling characters, was visually and aurally extremely pleasing and was very successful in its execution of drama elements without being heavy-handed. The climax/resolution phase was a bit muddled, but not botched.
>>137743564 I don't think Jojo is for hipsters but, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
>Jojo >TTGL >Attack on Titan >Kill la Kill >FLCL
I enjoyed all of these for the stupid fun that they entailed but I have no interest in watching any of them again. And yes, I understood the deeper meaning behind FLCL, but so what?
>>137743592 I was interested in Dimension W from the word go (I have yet to read the manga) but after the first two episodes when I got a feel for Kyoma and Mira and wound up hating the former and loving the latter I didn't enjoy it so much anymore. Today's episode was at least interesting and makes me want to continue on further.
As for getting back on topic for the thread: As I get older, I like Diebuster less and less, even as I realize that a lot of people like it, some who even like it more than Gunbuster. I like Nono and Lal-C, but those are the only good things about series aside from the music.
Akame ga Kill This show is garbage and I don't understand why everyone was so impressed with this show. Did they not watch any OVAs from the late 80's and 90's? I suppose I really don't have the right to bash anyone for liking it though because I seriously like Tokyo Ghoul ( haven't read the manga) and Knights of Sidonia (dat manga ending, man).
Katanagatari/Monogatari series I am conflicted about these shows. I like the plots, I like the characters, the music, and the visuals, but goddamn all of that fucking talking - and this is from someone who has no problem with listening to GiTS and LoGH characters rambling all day.
Kekkai Sensen I liked the White and Black side story, the music, and the visuals, but what else was there to this this show, really? Everything else was poorly done from the fight scenes to the characterization. When I only care about some characters that don't even exist in the manga more than the main ones that's a problem.
I mean, sure, I don't enjoy knowing that F grade and 6/10 shows tend to always be more popular than good ones, but shows like that still typically have creative merits of their own, even if they aren't well grasped by their creators/adapters, and can help lead you to the more interesting source material/inspiring work. Even a complete shitshow is occasionally worth sitting through just to try and grasp what kind of half-assed creative vision a bunch of starving animators were forced to put to paper
I swear it didn't always used to be quite this bad but nowadays it's probably worse than even the whiny video game community. Twitter, the ability for producers to market their products more directly and what seems like an influx of just rock stupid braindead people who never know what the fuck they are talking about and just follow whatever is hyped rather than finding their own shit to enjoy in the last few years has really done a number on it though. Anime fanbase always had it's problems but it was never quite this bad before 2012-2013 or so.
>>137749601 >Why is it so hard to just ignore people who like things?
Because can't stay contained. Whenever there was an anime adaptation airing they would be shitting up the board with a dozen redundant threads at any given time. The kind of discussion their threads foster is the lowest shit too, half of it is arguing powerlevels and the other half is shitting on secondaries because they've read one VN that's been translated for years. They are a cancer unlike pretty much any other fan base I can think of and I'm actually thankful /vg/ exists now because if their garbage spinoff mobage wasn't contained there you can sure as hell bet it would be here.
>>137749666 9 out of the ten times that I have visited this board I have seen this cunt on the first page. Sure I get it, generic unrealistic cute anime girl, but the show is so abysmal and boring and unfunny. In fact, most of the anime that /a/ talks about most of the time is shit, and I'm sure most people agree with that. I'm probably pretty normie because the only SOL or Comedy series that I have really really enjoyed was Nichijou, and also a little Kill Me Baby. I try to watch shows like Non Non Biyori and K-ON and I just end up feeling embarrassed and weird. At least Nichijou is well thought out and most of the time well executed, and the jokes aren't stale and fucking boring. Who the fuck does SOL even appeal to in the real world? Or is it just sad out of touch people trying to escape reality? Ghost in the Shell, Berserk, Akira, Jin-Roh, Evangelion(to an extent I guess), all of these shows are popular for the reason that they actually posses content and depth. Where is the depth and entertainment in a show like fucking Yuru Yuri? What the fuck man
Most people neither watch OVA's nor anything from the 80's and just follow seasonal hype that will appear on Crunchyroll. It definitely has that 80's OVA grimderp flair to it albeit with more modern moeish design aesthetic rather than muscle bound dudes in shades and butch looking women.
>>137749766 Madoka is a literally nothing character, you just threw her in as an excuse to make the cast look less pathetic. Homura is extremely uninteresting due to her unreasonable single-mindedness. She's a character that functions well in the story (they all do) but she isn't a good character in her own right. Kyubey is a generic "perfectly logical" not-quite bad guy. Again, he functions well enough as a pseudo-antagonist but he doesn't function on his own as a character. Mami is the only decent character you mention here. She seems to have some level of conflicting motives and interests and has a decent arc. Too bad all of her development is done 10 minutes before she's used as a shock device and dies.
Indeed buzzwords will be used because I have ranted about both too many times to count and I already wrote a wall of text about others earlier.
Both are overrated and overhyped.
Good OPs, beautiful animation/artwork, and "deconstructionlol" do not a good anime make. Death Billiards should have been left as just that. Madoka Magica is a poor "deconstruction" of anything, really. Technically Sailor Moon is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre and Yuuki Yuuna would have been a knock out of the park if it weren't for that damn ending.
That's cause when GiTS and LoGH characters have those long discussions it actually serves a purpose rather than just to fill time with puns and wink/nod banter. Even the episode where Julian just sits and watches a historical documentary about Kaiser Rudolph for literally the entire episode served a very valid purpose and was interesting, Monogatari it's just like "Oh so your name has how many syllables Arararararagi-san? Let us sit for half this episode and get to the bottom of this while the camera spazzes out around us" to the apparent critical acclaim of the masses.
>>137749805 Akame ga Kill went from being a grimderp action comedy manga to being full fucking grimderp FIGHT THE POWER nonsense with generic anime padding. The complete lack of budget and the killcam slowmo bullshit completely killed it.
There's only one series I absolutely loathe that's popular, and that's Gurren Lagann. Everyone circlejerking over Simon and Kamina when their characters fall flat (or die) once they actually become interesting, and the side characters who are just there to combine with Lagann. "Muh hype" doesn't replace an actual good narrative or characters. Also fuck Nia and her terrible voice acting. It reminds me of those terrible transformer movies with Linkin Park insert songs.
Are you sure you're talking about /a/? Because Amagi Brilliant park isn't popular here, maybe some of the girls are, but the show definetily isn't, and I can't remember the last time I saw an Amagami thread outside the few threads that took place when it aired.
>>137749985 >Most people neither watch OVA's nor anything from the 80's and just follow seasonal hype that will appear on Crunchyroll.
This must be the case then because when I got around to watching shows like Elfen Lied, Akame ga Kill, Bynrhildr, and other newer shows that are similar I just shrugged my shoulders.
For the people out there who were impressed by that blood and gore and grimdark, I will just say this: after you have seen/read crazy fucked up shit like M.D. Geist, Psycho Diver, Genocyber, Black Lion, Koroshiya, and Freesia the shit they push these days is tame in comparison. That just might be me.
I thought I was the only one but at the same time also figured how can more people just not see it considering it happens literally every season now. It's to the point where it feels like shows by other producers can barely get an edge in on viewership and any sort of acknowledgement no matter how good they are or how much effort the production team puts in (Rakugo comes to mind this season in particular) and it's just fucking sad to see an entire industry just practically get bought out by one companies interests like this and the fanbase be so complicit in and even actively allowing it to happen without so much as a murmur of discontent or even awareness of what's been going on. When people wonder why there's such a creative dearth in anime, why everything is so expensive now, and why anime seems to kind of be dying and turning into just pure uninspired cash grab ideas season after season it doesn't seem as much of a mystery to me as it does to others.
It's not like they never come out with anything good ever, but it's pretty much guaranteed to be massively overrated and overblown whatever it is, kind of like Erased has been this season. I just look at it and it's like okay this is a pretty decent watch in a season with a number of watchable shows I can count on one hand but like have people just never seen any sort of J-Drama in their lives cause it's pretty damn cliche and predictable in a lot of key areas.
Well Elfen Lied and Brynhildr are by the same creator so there's little surprise there. Personally my favorite bad overly violent OVA is Angel Cop, specifically the English dub of it by Manga Entertainment who were part of the first wave to try to push anime as mature ultra dark totally not kids stuff from Japan resulting in them adding enough F-Bombs to it to qualify for the all time list if it were to get counted. Sadly they took out the ridiculous bits from the Japanese script about Jewish conspiracies to undermine the glorious Japanese enterprise of the 80's that only a paranoid xenophobe like Shou Aikawa could have come up with.
>>137750292 Not the other guy you were replying to but I will take a shot at this:
>Madoka >Her inclusion with Homura is necessary
Character needed only for the sake of the plot. She is nothing without Homura even in the flashback when she did indeed have some semblance of a personality.
>A character that effectively conveys the chilling nature of the show
Mysterious and unknowable just as the rest of the show, but then when you do find out more about both it's a bit of a let down, so I guess this is true. Homura has a one-track mind, hell bent on meeting Madoka again and redoing everything not realize that she is making things worse (or better depending on how you look at it) and becoming extremely unlikable as things spiral downhill while the story takes the theme of 'be careful of what you wish for" to extreme, almost pathetic levels.
>Madoka wanted to save a cat Winds up dying and being entrapped in a web of time and is slowly losing the bits of personality she once had but winds up making the ultimate wish at the end supposedly saving everything. >Homura wanted to meet Madoka again and help her See above, although she decides to take things into her own hands like she did in the movie and if and when there is a sequel it is clear that she will be seen as an enemy. She took things too damn far. >Mami wanted to save herself from death Dies a pathetic death for shock value >Kyoko wanted to help her father for religious reasons Loses her family and her home, winds up dying for a girl she barely knows and at one time wanted to kill and gave no concrete reason as to why. Suddenly she's a lesbian in love. Blech. >Sayaka wanted to help her guy friend play the violin again Loses both her chances with the guy and her own life due to her own stupid, misguided decisions and beliefs on the way things were at the time.
>>137750292 An effective arc is only one part of a character, and honestly it's one of the less necessary ones. For me, what makes a character good is how much they seem like a real person. How much their actions seem like a product of who and what they are rather than a convenience for the continuation of the plot.
Your insistence of Madoka being included as a necessary part of Homura is a perfect example of why Madoka's characters don't work. If you remove Madoka from the story, Homura is literally nothing. Everything Homura does is for Madoka. Everything Homura does revolves around Madoka. If Madoka doesn't exist, Homura has no identity or motivations.
This is not how you build a good character. When you build a character like this, you have no idea who they actually are as a person. What their quirks are, what they care about, how they interact with other people, etc. Therefore, the only thing they can do is take action to progress the plot, and therefore become primarily plot devices rather than characters.
Your argument for Kyubey makes no sense to me. As far as I can tell you're trying to argue that expositing the setting makes a character good.
>>137743394 SNAFU season two was the worst anime I have ever seen and the only anime I regret not dropping. And I usually have pretty low standards - I watch like thirty anime a season and never drop anything, and I even find stuff everyone else despises like Denpa Kyoushi enjoyable.
I liked the first season like everyone else but the second one was irredeemable garbage. Literally everything about it was terrible. If a family member told me they liked it I would literally try to get them institutionalized.
>>137743394 >Fate Stay/Night I was literally falling asleep watching this and I can watch stuff like .Hack and other talkative anime. I also hate how there are so many possible characters that can be servants yet they keep using the same obes which get suoer boring.
>One Punch Man the first 3 episodes felt super repetitive despite the amazing animations that i had to drop it.
>Sword Art Online Just fuck the second half, how anyone can still like it after that is beyond me
>>137749805 >Katanagatari/Monogatari series I love the dialogue in Monogatari, loathe it in Katanagatari. Maybe Nisio just was a little wittier or cleverer with Monogatari, but mostly I think his dialogue is much more suited to a series so focused on relationships. Katanagatari has too much action and the dialogue during it was atrocious, it wasn't any more interesting to listen to than typical battle shounen smack talk. The antagonists were boring as fuck to listen to in particular.
>>137750292 >Homura >Not a good character in her own right >Asinine statement
But she is not a good character in her own right. She's very badly written one that I am supposed to feel sorry for when I am absolutely not. She's a lonely, clingy girl who grabs at the smallest scraps of attention that one girl gives her and decides that she's going to fight tooth and nail for her for the rest of her life. Obsessively in love and crazy but there is nothing else to her. Those are the only things that define her.
>Kyubey >The development of the story changes your perception of his character
It is true that my perception of him definitely did change but there was nothing dynamic about that change. There was a character arc, but not as effective as you might think and I feel like that is an exaggeration. He was shady from the start but we all gave him a shot and felt like he was only being helpful, but then as things got darker, his expression never changed but his words did. Almost in a "well what did you expect?" type of way. I thought, "okay well that only proved me right, fuck this guy".
A much better "villain" with an effective character arc would be Adrian Rubinsky from LoGH. Kyubey is more like Job Trunicht.
>>137750950 I am aware but I decided to lump them in together because they have a similar feel. Come on now, that should have been gathered from just reading the post fully and making the mental connection.
Honestly while people went ballastic over the arc that revealed Homura's backstory it was probably my least favorite arc of the whole show cause it was just so goddamn typical and by the time the movie came around was practically retroactively made a perfect example on how not to develop a character for literature and film school profs to use an example.
Homura's development is essentially taking a character from one extreme, showing how she came to that point from the opposite extreme at a rapid fire cliff notes pace cause the show only had a couple episodes left and then taking her back to even well beyond that extreme in the span of about 2 hours worth of content if you count episode 10 through to movie 3 and then just cutting everything off without any sort of resolution or proper explanation on what the fuck just happened.
Her character arc makes among the least sense and is just so all over the place for a character as popular and acclaimed as Homura is as any I've ever seen really. Basically either you're one of those fanboys that is more than willing to fill in all the blanks in her extreme characterization that Gen Urobuchi didn't or wouldn't because he seemingly can't write natural character arcs from scratch on his own to save his life or you just kind of shrug and say whatever like I did by the end and be done with it. Basically about the only part the guy got right particularly with the movie is that people would be incredibly polarized over it which I just see as corporate speak for "Yeah I know this is absolute shit character development writing done for pure shock value and an insult to everyone that was invested in the character and her arc up to this point but please try to see past it or come up with your own reasoning for it".
Honestly I don't think my opinion of a writer has ever fallen as fast as it has with Urobuchi. I was never all over the guys gonads like practically the entire current generation of anime fans seem to be but I could at least sort of see where his stories were coming from on a thematic standpoint which some problems aside stories like Madoka Magica and Psycho Pass mostly held together on, but virtually everything I've seen from him since or even stuff that's been adapted from his novels like Fate/Zero has just featured the absolute stiffest most bland card board cut out personality characters in a clusterfuck of grimdark and fuck you twist moments towards the protagonists that don't seem to serve any sort of purpose other than to stick it to them and the viewers for shock value.
It also seems like he's totally content to just coast on these gimmicks and his inflated reputation now and doesn't give a shit if his stories make any particular sense, hold together, or deliver on any sort of thematic sense of purpose or feature anything resembling character development like his past few movie projects have and you're lucky if they don't outright contradict themselves at key intervals. Not only do I not think he's all that good a writer anymore, I'm starting to suspect he might actually just be yet another bad style over substance anime writer/creator period that got really fucking lucky a couple of times early in his anime scriptwriting career ala M. Night Shymalan with Sixth Sense and Unbreakable.
>>137743394 Fullmetal Alchemist Hunter X Hunter One Punch Man
The thing is I really like something else that each of the mangaka have done; Silver Spoon, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Eyeshield 21 (Yes I know Murata is the only artist but I don't like Mob Psycho either) are all in my top 30 or so manga.
/thread honestly. That about covers 80%+ of what's going to get mentioned here and pretty much covers all the obvious reasons why. I don't know how anyone could even stand them or there shows at this point after so many repeat offenses unless they literally just care about the hype factor and not what comes after or whether any of it is worth the time commitment which typically it isn't.
I tried it out when it came out because I really liked Komi's older series that got cancelled. Was utterly disappointed, and then it goes on to be a fucking goldmine. I'm still asspained about it to this day.
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