Reminder that Gun always beats Magic

There are plenty of universes where magicians can casually summon shields that can deflect bullets and shoot nukes that can devastate cities. But I'll grant you that in the average anime universe, guns > magic.

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Of course guns beat magic because unless you expect going up against you basically can't react fast enough to do shit. Also, if you try to science up magic, like trying to explain "deflection spell diverts kinetic energy of the object going towards the caster" or some bullshit, a bullet has a fuckton more kinetic energy you would have to move compared to a sword coming down or arrow flying towards you.

>>137673165
Is there even a series where Magic > Technology?

>>137673088
NANI?!

>>137673088
But can they beat a smartphone?

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>>137673214
Depends on who's on the end of the line.

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Anime has taught me Tanks have natural magic resistance.

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This nigga hardcore

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>>137673088
What about Magic Gun?

>>137674150
a shame that he picked worst girl

>>137674150
>that shameful sped up 3 frame animation
SUGOI

>>137674447
Gaz' citadel was an inside job
mwee can't melt adamantium beams

Fuck Magic

Magic sucks

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>>137673088
>always
Anon, some magical girls use guns.

>>137674447
Good choice, but I prefer more DAKKA.

>>137673206
Only when the MC is the one with it. It probably involves protecting nature from the evil company and their mindless pursuit of profit.

>>137674447
>>137675063
It's not a real gun if it uses/shoots magic

>>137673332
To be fair those usual fire or thunder or water spells will do shit against tanks. You need to be Megumin level to do significant damage against them. Freeze spells should be useful if you freeze the roads.

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>>137675063
S rank mage

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>>137675063
head chomp > guns

>>137673088

>> Be Mage
>> Doesn't Know Missile Shiedl
>> Be Killed by plebs gun

Frankly you had it coming.

>>137673206
Fate, magic is OP af and breaks the laws of physics

>>137675278
which is funny because they had flintlock pistols in that world so even if he used that instead from that distance it would've made no difference.

I guess mages don't have anti bullet spells

>>137675552

They are all too Hubris to developing one.

>>137675552
Well there's a huge difference in firepower between a flintlock and a .45 acp.

>>137675124
To be fair, those usual magic attacks mostly involve just lobbing a small size blast of it, which is obviously ineffective against armor. I mean, anyone with a little bit of creativity can soft-kill a tank with a small amount of those type of magic. But as we all know, anyone that's not the MC has the intelligence of a rock.

>>137675492
>Kiritsugu
>Kayneth

>>137673206
There are a few different "Battle Harrem" bullshit animes where they're in those Magical School. And it's clearly stronger.
There is even The Irregular at Magic School or whatever it's called and Magic is clearly shown to be stronger than technology. Especially the MC who can literally dismantle technology, and fucking delete tanks out of thin air.

But all in all, most of the time, technology is shown to be more effective that magic.
Which to me is so bizarre. I'm not even a Magic > Tech Fag. In fact, I prefer Tech Themes a lot more -- mainly because they have set rules and regulations I can follow. Even with the more insane Tech Anime or Manga. So it always seems insane to me, that when you have Magic, you let it be outdone by technology.

>>137675629
I hate that excuse. That's just your standard uncreative author who can't think up a credible way of beating actual intelligent antagonists.

>>137673206
Toaru?

>>137675666

Kiritsugo used MAGIC ANTI MAGIC BULLET.
Not Raw Unadultered Gun

guns vs magic vs espers

>>137675710

This is what happened when they guy that invented human magic limited One Fifth of it to some random blood related idiots and decided that only people with Entitlement Issue and a Ten Foot Pole in the ass got the rest (aka Nobles).

>>137675682

That because Real Word got no magic and writer have to show that Muggle like themself are better that Jocks with Lightining Bolt

>>137675666
That wasn't tech beating magic, that was one guy being a smart dude with fucktons of experience specifically killing people who thought like Kayneth, who was also particularly stupid amongst his kind. In terms of power and versatility, what Kayneth could do with his magic completely outstripped anything Kiritsugu had access to, and Kayneth wasn't anywhere near the top tier among magus. Not to mention the actual magicians in Fate who use actual true magic can do stuff that specifically can't ever be replicated in effect by technology even with infinite time or resources.

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>>137673088
>Mage.
>Not using shields.
It's like they're asking to get shot.

>>137673206

The real world

>The Irregular at Magic High School
Magic in that is clearly more powerful than technology.

Ignoring the MC, who is the most overpowered bullshit in the world. (who is nigh immortal, can literally delete anything out of existence, stop any and all magic from being cast, is one of the smartest fucking people in the world and can even resurrect other people with next to no side effects) Even the weaker characters who are even in the low tier classes for the "losers" kick the shit out of trained soldiers, tanks and Mechs with the most basic Magic.

>>137675666
Pretty sure he was talking about True Magic, which isn't the stuff Kayneth can do. True Magic is True Magic because it can't ever be done using technology.

>>137675969
I would say that what they call magic is basicly a science like espers in toaru

>>137675829
>>137675926
He could have popped Kayneths head without it. Also first time he shot trough the shield he used an normal bullet.

Also true magic users are rare. Its fair to say that ICBM would kill them

>>137675927

Exactly, the idots not even get them under some for of permanency or condition trigger so they go up even before the dude with the gun got the finger on the trigger. They really all a bunch of low key apprentice that deserve the extra bullet hole.

>>137674805
>:DDDD
Fuck off. Fuck off harder than anyone before you.

This is one this that pisses me off about Gate so much.

So a bunch of clearly more advanced people enter your world and start fucking shit up. You, a wizard hear about this kind of stuff and you don't think;
>I'm gonna research ways to stop their weapons, disable their magic (tech) and learn to counter their weaponry. Whether shields or other.
Like -- you have the ability to learn magic. Isn't the first thing you do, is research that shit from day fucking one?

I mean jesus fucking christ. If I could learn magic, I'd be studying every single day.

>>137676037

Nope Anon, The Quiksilver thing of Kaynet was more or less capable of deviate all kind of bullet that weren't the Origin. Is just that Kaynet like someone said had Wisdom has Dump stat and Kirutsugo not.

>>137676008
That's true enough. Especially with the way they explain everything.

But to me, them calling it magic is enough. Especially considering no one is set to one specific branch of magic and people can pick and choose what they want.

>>137675877
Which is an incredibly stupid reason. Being entitled != IQ/EQ of a rock. Just becoming a noble doesn't automatically remove every single ounce of creativity and intelligence.

>>137676008
Oh right, Toaru is basically magic > science at every level, barring some major nerf/jobbing.

Basically magic being better than technology happens because it's easy to dial up someone's individual magic powerlevel to make them out to be a big deal.

Technology is the product of a group (or even a whole civilization) and is easily disseminated - almost anyone can use it with training. Therefore writers don't like to use it because it takes away from power level matchups.

Japanese have always had a disdain for better technology versus better individuals anyway. In WW2 the IJN's ships had less sophisticated fire control systems and far inferior radar compared to their American counterparts. But captains boasted that that they didn't need radar because Japanese eyes are better than American eyes at seeing in the dark.

So to come back to the original point, magic channels the power of the individual, technology channels the power of the civilization. Therefore magic beating technology signifies a powerful protagonist or a powerful antagonist, and is therefore an attractive plot device.

The exception is the not uncommon MADDO SCIENTISTO super genius side character who entirely on their own develop scientific and engineering marvels to be used exclusively by them.

Madoka did a thing right in this way.
Homura can damage Walpurgis Natch even if she trown a fucking Warship at her. Why because the thing has IMMUNE TO NON MAGIC ATTACK, like a fucking Eldritch Horror Thing should have, not that you got Demon killed by machine guns and rocket launcher.

>>137676221
can't

>>137676074
Read the LN before you post anon

>>137674150
I wish that scene wasn't so shit and cut compared to novels

>>137676257

Fuck you and your LN Horobutcher cock-sucker

>>137673206
I read an LN where a guy got teleported to another world and he was a modern day magician so even his magic was better than theirs.

>>137676394
Now I'm curious

>>137676276
Anon, after hearing some spoilers about that scene in the LN, airing it in its entirety would have required censorship that makes Terraformer looks tame.

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BEWARE MY ARCANE MIGHT

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Spellets, when will they learn?

>>137676577
I'd let her handle my migty rod if you know what I mean

>>137676514
kek
What's that from?

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Old WW2 flak cannon > Giant magical Golem

>inb4 she had to cast a spell on the shell

Only because that dindu Elf put counter on the Golem.

>>137676709

They got rekted by a fucking Elf, I'm disappointed

A gun can't bring your fallen comrades back from the dead.
A gun can't let you walk on water
A gun can't create chimaeric abombinations that can ravage the counrtyside
A gun can't cook dinner
A gun can't turn you into a little girl

Magic is fucking versatile, mate, it's not always about what can kill the fastest

>>137675644
Yeah, seems to me the obvious solution to a tank would be sustained fire spells. Either you cook the crew alive or you burn out all the oxygen and suffocate them. Freezing the end of the main barrel solid might be effective too, assuming the munitions don't have some kind of safeguard

>>137677533
>A gun can't bring your fallen comrades back from the dead.
I am pretty sure that the resurrection magic are very rare even in the magical setting.

>A gun can't turn you into a little girl

Ok, you win.

>>137676709
Seeing this shit makes me glad I dropped ZnT after Louise's family was introduced.

>>137677533
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl
Fuck.

>>137677627
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl

You are aiming wrong Anon

>>137676209
Literally talking out of your ass.

>>137673206
There's a book series where technology past WWII tends to break down quite easily and fairly quickly around magic and magic users.

>>137677533
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl

Give it a few decades

>>137678683
So it's just WWII wank.

>>137678683
No it's set in modern times, it's just that human magic users have problems using really any modern tech. Even the stuff from before WWII breaks too it's basically in layman's terms:
fewer working parts = less chance for something crucial breaking

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>>137674447
They're broken.

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>run out of magical energy
>take out pistol and start shooting

>>137676414
Not the guy you're replying to but I think he meant the one where the MC has a black coat and everyone in the other world can only fire,big fire. REALLY BIG REALLY HOT FIRE.

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>>137673088

>>137673206
The ranking between tech and magic all depends on what MC uses

>>137676064
You forgot the fact that GATE is a marturbatory fantasy. None should have even a little bit of chance against glorious Nippon.

>>137679773
OK.
What?

>>137679773
where is this from?

>>137676677
Witch craft works. Though, I don't remember this scene from the manga.

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Is it possible for a world with magic can progress and modernize just like our world without magic? Most of fantasy world usually portrayed as stagnant world stuck in middle age without hope of progress. There is some world like Hitsugi no Chaika that have both magic and technology but that because they super genius megalomaniac like Gaz. Are they any story or setting out there that show that the world with magic can progress just as fine as the world without magic?

>>137673088
What if someone casts Gun?

>>137680875
Yeah, it's called scifi

>>137679625
Sounds like a pretty average game of Shadowrun

>>137681331
But scifi usually too high tech and usually involved space exploration or some shit. I want the world set around Exploration Age, Victoria Age or Modern Age.

>>137674150
This part of the series is what convinced me to continue watching it and read the novels later

>>137673206
Nanoha?

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>>137673088
how could he shoot such a qt?

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>>137673088
SUZAK!

>>137675666
Kiritsugu would lose to any servant though, and wouldnt even win against Kirei if it wasnt for Avalon.

>>137679986
魔法使いたち

>>137681513
Didn't you just say you don't want it to stagnate?

>>137679986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ptj7VoaWOs

>>137673088
Except when it doesn't.

>>137673332
They should try fighting an end-tier DnD Wizard, or Warhammer Sorcerors.
Or a Magical Girl.
I would love to see that.

>>137676064
They're not super-awesome DnD wizards, and it's Japan's Red Dawn anyway, just more pathetic and dumber.

>>137677533
>in the battle of magic vs technology the victory belongs to the one who utilizes both and kicks the other two faggots' asses.

>>137679911
I would love to see a non-faggoty version of GATE.
The concept is interesting enough.

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Have you praised onii-sama today?

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Sufficiently advanced magical girls are warships and capable of orbital bombardment.

>>137684717
>sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology

>>137673088
Every not shit-tier magician can move faster than sound and/or have shields, so no.

>>137684931
>Devices are auto set to stun

>>137678220
fucking kek

>>137685028
magic shields only protect against magic

>>137685055
tell that to sniper-kun. I think it takes control by the magic-user to avoid harm. They could kill if they wanted to.

>>137685110
>implying good magician have only one type of shields/barriers
Let alone hardcore chuuni-tier magic and/or conceptual defence.

>>137685525
That shit only happens in anime that showcases retarded broken OP magic with retarded flashy effects and magic rune circles every where like these

>>137684823
>>137684857
>>137684931

Traditional Wizards/Mages will get fucked by a Gun

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BEST GIRL
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>>137685638
Traditionalists that just totally ignore technology and don't go full munchkin mode like leilei, sure.

>>137685638
>no true scotsman

>>137685649
Literally every other girl and even some of the boys were better

>>137686007
Holy fuck Mahouka was some dumb shit.

Praise Onii-Sama our lord and savior!

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>>137685638
Sure thing mate

>>137686425
that wizard about to get rekt

>>137686543
more useful than the meatshields

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>>137685649
She's the reason I got into this series. No regrets here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqaj-CGjKmE

>>137673088
Guns don't matter when there's a guy who can just mindcontrol and explode heads on the other side.

This is why the golden rule of Shadowrun is:

GEEK THE MAGE FIRST


Remember kids:

GEEK

THE

MAGE

FIRST.

>>137675969
>Ignoring the MC
Tatsuya is a joke character. Saitama is legitimately a more serious character than him.

>>137673206
The Tempest the anime

>>137677533
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl
What if you shoot "it" off?

>>137687848
No, that just makes you an Eunuch.

Assuming you survive the blood loss

>>137687800
>implying
Mahouka takes itself seriously, OPM does not

>>137688631
That's the joke. Tatsuya is a joke character and the fact they play it up as a serious thing gives more power to the joke.

It's the reason why Tatsuya isnt hated on /a/. Joke character. Saitama is actually a borderline joke character and actual shonen character which shows when people get mad at statements like Saitama can beat Goku.

Does anyone have the arrows vs. helicopters webm?

>>137676514
I cast...

MAGIC MISSILE

The best shit is when magic is just a facet of science.

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Guns do nothing to skeletons.

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>>137687705
>Guns Beat Karate
Yeart, no.

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>>137673088
Reminder >I want to live

>>137690500
you are horrible.

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>>137673088

low level wizards might die to guns
high level wizards just shrug them off like mosquito bites

>>137690698
what magnificent recoil

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>>137673088
>>137673165
>>137673166
>>137673206
The times I had to sit trough watching god knows how many trained soldiers being blown away by little kids waving wands were fucking countless, anime usually makes guns look harmless while it idolises melee weapons and medieval shit just because it looks "COOL", I have yet to see one that depics guns as trully dangerous and powerful

>>137677533
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl
That's not true, just try it.

>>137678683
>>137678839
>>137679138

Dresden Files, maybe.

Might also be the Coldfire Trilogy.

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>>137694084
Literally GATE you fucking idiot.

>>137680963

We call it Magic Missile.

>>137688791

Did you want Gate or Owari No Seraph?

>>137694084
>trully

>>137695976
the latter

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>>137696064

>>137696201
thanks

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>>137677533
>A gun can't create chimaeric abombinations that can ravage the counrtyside

I wanted a chimera so badly

And the only manga where they play a big role treats them like shit, fucking FMA.

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>>137695515
That's one smartass, what I meant is that the smashing majority doesn't.

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>>137696396
>I have yet to see one that depicts guns as truly dangerous and powerful
>One

Fuck off faggot.

What's a show that has a logical magic system and isn't based on feeling shit with nature?

>>137696637
beep. query too broad. please refine your search terms.

>>137673088
it's funny because at the same time technology and guns aren't always shown at their true potential and deadliness in magical universes, neither is magic, considering you rarely see people doing more intelligent use of magic rather than just blasting stuff up.

in a world of both at full capacity, going by modern technological standards, i'd say a decent magician could win against a gunfighter if he knew who he was up against and thus had some protection spells and such up, while the gunner would have the advantage if he had the surprise element.

then again you'd think in a universe with both they'd have magitech, combining the strengths of both for maximum power.

>>137675124
>water
if done right, just flood the tank and make the crew bail

>>137696396
Black lagoon, Jormungand, I'm sure the list goes on