There are plenty of universes where magicians can casually summon shields that can deflect bullets and shoot nukes that can devastate cities. But I'll grant you that in the average anime universe, guns > magic.
Of course guns beat magic because unless you expect going up against you basically can't react fast enough to do shit. Also, if you try to science up magic, like trying to explain "deflection spell diverts kinetic energy of the object going towards the caster" or some bullshit, a bullet has a fuckton more kinetic energy you would have to move compared to a sword coming down or arrow flying towards you.
Depends on who's on the end of the line.
Anime has taught me Tanks have natural magic resistance.
This nigga hardcore
What about Magic Gun?
Anon, some magical girls use guns.
Good choice, but I prefer more DAKKA.
To be fair those usual fire or thunder or water spells will do shit against tanks. You need to be Megumin level to do significant damage against them. Freeze spells should be useful if you freeze the roads.
S rank mage
which is funny because they had flintlock pistols in that world so even if he used that instead from that distance it would've made no difference.
I guess mages don't have anti bullet spells
To be fair, those usual magic attacks mostly involve just lobbing a small size blast of it, which is obviously ineffective against armor. I mean, anyone with a little bit of creativity can soft-kill a tank with a small amount of those type of magic. But as we all know, anyone that's not the MC has the intelligence of a rock.
There are a few different "Battle Harrem" bullshit animes where they're in those Magical School. And it's clearly stronger.
There is even The Irregular at Magic School or whatever it's called and Magic is clearly shown to be stronger than technology. Especially the MC who can literally dismantle technology, and fucking delete tanks out of thin air.
But all in all, most of the time, technology is shown to be more effective that magic.
Which to me is so bizarre. I'm not even a Magic > Tech Fag. In fact, I prefer Tech Themes a lot more -- mainly because they have set rules and regulations I can follow. Even with the more insane Tech Anime or Manga. So it always seems insane to me, that when you have Magic, you let it be outdone by technology.
This is what happened when they guy that invented human magic limited One Fifth of it to some random blood related idiots and decided that only people with Entitlement Issue and a Ten Foot Pole in the ass got the rest (aka Nobles).
That wasn't tech beating magic, that was one guy being a smart dude with fucktons of experience specifically killing people who thought like Kayneth, who was also particularly stupid amongst his kind. In terms of power and versatility, what Kayneth could do with his magic completely outstripped anything Kiritsugu had access to, and Kayneth wasn't anywhere near the top tier among magus. Not to mention the actual magicians in Fate who use actual true magic can do stuff that specifically can't ever be replicated in effect by technology even with infinite time or resources.
>Not using shields.
It's like they're asking to get shot.
>The Irregular at Magic High School
Magic in that is clearly more powerful than technology.
Ignoring the MC, who is the most overpowered bullshit in the world. (who is nigh immortal, can literally delete anything out of existence, stop any and all magic from being cast, is one of the smartest fucking people in the world and can even resurrect other people with next to no side effects) Even the weaker characters who are even in the low tier classes for the "losers" kick the shit out of trained soldiers, tanks and Mechs with the most basic Magic.
He could have popped Kayneths head without it. Also first time he shot trough the shield he used an normal bullet.
Also true magic users are rare. Its fair to say that ICBM would kill them
Exactly, the idots not even get them under some for of permanency or condition trigger so they go up even before the dude with the gun got the finger on the trigger. They really all a bunch of low key apprentice that deserve the extra bullet hole.
This is one this that pisses me off about Gate so much.
So a bunch of clearly more advanced people enter your world and start fucking shit up. You, a wizard hear about this kind of stuff and you don't think;
>I'm gonna research ways to stop their weapons, disable their magic (tech) and learn to counter their weaponry. Whether shields or other.
Like -- you have the ability to learn magic. Isn't the first thing you do, is research that shit from day fucking one?
I mean jesus fucking christ. If I could learn magic, I'd be studying every single day.
Nope Anon, The Quiksilver thing of Kaynet was more or less capable of deviate all kind of bullet that weren't the Origin. Is just that Kaynet like someone said had Wisdom has Dump stat and Kirutsugo not.
That's true enough. Especially with the way they explain everything.
But to me, them calling it magic is enough. Especially considering no one is set to one specific branch of magic and people can pick and choose what they want.
Basically magic being better than technology happens because it's easy to dial up someone's individual magic powerlevel to make them out to be a big deal.
Technology is the product of a group (or even a whole civilization) and is easily disseminated - almost anyone can use it with training. Therefore writers don't like to use it because it takes away from power level matchups.
Japanese have always had a disdain for better technology versus better individuals anyway. In WW2 the IJN's ships had less sophisticated fire control systems and far inferior radar compared to their American counterparts. But captains boasted that that they didn't need radar because Japanese eyes are better than American eyes at seeing in the dark.
So to come back to the original point, magic channels the power of the individual, technology channels the power of the civilization. Therefore magic beating technology signifies a powerful protagonist or a powerful antagonist, and is therefore an attractive plot device.
The exception is the not uncommon MADDO SCIENTISTO super genius side character who entirely on their own develop scientific and engineering marvels to be used exclusively by them.
Madoka did a thing right in this way.
Homura can damage Walpurgis Natch even if she trown a fucking Warship at her. Why because the thing has IMMUNE TO NON MAGIC ATTACK, like a fucking Eldritch Horror Thing should have, not that you got Demon killed by machine guns and rocket launcher.
Old WW2 flak cannon > Giant magical Golem
>inb4 she had to cast a spell on the shell
Only because that dindu Elf put counter on the Golem.
A gun can't bring your fallen comrades back from the dead.
A gun can't let you walk on water
A gun can't create chimaeric abombinations that can ravage the counrtyside
A gun can't cook dinner
A gun can't turn you into a little girl
Magic is fucking versatile, mate, it's not always about what can kill the fastest
Yeah, seems to me the obvious solution to a tank would be sustained fire spells. Either you cook the crew alive or you burn out all the oxygen and suffocate them. Freezing the end of the main barrel solid might be effective too, assuming the munitions don't have some kind of safeguard
>A gun can't bring your fallen comrades back from the dead.
I am pretty sure that the resurrection magic are very rare even in the magical setting.
>A gun can't turn you into a little girl
Ok, you win.
No it's set in modern times, it's just that human magic users have problems using really any modern tech. Even the stuff from before WWII breaks too it's basically in layman's terms:
fewer working parts = less chance for something crucial breaking
>run out of magical energy
>take out pistol and start shooting
Is it possible for a world with magic can progress and modernize just like our world without magic? Most of fantasy world usually portrayed as stagnant world stuck in middle age without hope of progress. There is some world like Hitsugi no Chaika that have both magic and technology but that because they super genius megalomaniac like Gaz. Are they any story or setting out there that show that the world with magic can progress just as fine as the world without magic?
Sufficiently advanced magical girls are warships and capable of orbital bombardment.
That shit only happens in anime that showcases retarded broken OP magic with retarded flashy effects and magic rune circles every where like these
Traditional Wizards/Mages will get fucked by a Gun
She's the reason I got into this series. No regrets here.
Guns don't matter when there's a guy who can just mindcontrol and explode heads on the other side.
This is why the golden rule of Shadowrun is:
GEEK THE MAGE FIRST
That's the joke. Tatsuya is a joke character and the fact they play it up as a serious thing gives more power to the joke.
It's the reason why Tatsuya isnt hated on /a/. Joke character. Saitama is actually a borderline joke character and actual shonen character which shows when people get mad at statements like Saitama can beat Goku.
The times I had to sit trough watching god knows how many trained soldiers being blown away by little kids waving wands were fucking countless, anime usually makes guns look harmless while it idolises melee weapons and medieval shit just because it looks "COOL", I have yet to see one that depics guns as trully dangerous and powerful
>A gun can't create chimaeric abombinations that can ravage the counrtyside
I wanted a chimera so badly
And the only manga where they play a big role treats them like shit, fucking FMA.
That's one smartass, what I meant is that the smashing majority doesn't.
>I have yet to see one that depicts guns as truly dangerous and powerful
Fuck off faggot.
it's funny because at the same time technology and guns aren't always shown at their true potential and deadliness in magical universes, neither is magic, considering you rarely see people doing more intelligent use of magic rather than just blasting stuff up.
in a world of both at full capacity, going by modern technological standards, i'd say a decent magician could win against a gunfighter if he knew who he was up against and thus had some protection spells and such up, while the gunner would have the advantage if he had the surprise element.
then again you'd think in a universe with both they'd have magitech, combining the strengths of both for maximum power.