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>If you were stuck in an MMO, you'd be hot shit instead of a dirty NEET.

Hai to Gensou no Grimgar:
>No, you'd still be a worthless asshole. In fact, you'd be fucked.

I love this show for speaking the hard truths.
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>You get to fulfill your boyhood dreams and live a life worth living

Grimgar
>Your legs don't even work
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>I love this show for speaking the hard truths.
What MMO did you transpart to m8?
I see you're speaking from the experience here
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Video game:
>Whack rabbits unconscious until you level up

Grimgar:
>Stab lonely fun loving goblin repeatedly like a neonazi prison shanker while it utters tormented cries of incomprehensible suffering
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>>137670168
Other Series
>Casually live my new life
Grimgar
>Get /fit/, bask in the survival situation with waifu's.
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Threadly reminder.
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>>137670700
>I don't want to self-insert as a loser noob

This is what you literally just said.
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>>137671237
Reminder of what? QUALITY?
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>>137670772
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Other series
>Fun, entertaining ride

Grimgar
>Spent 7 episode to make it REALLY REALLY REALLY clear that they're scrubs
>Spent 7 episode only fighting goblins
>Shit pacing
>Only 2 or 3 scenes showing actual character dynamics
>Is flopping
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>>137670168
Except everybody else did well, even with the handicap of amnesia. It's just these fucking sageretards, crippled by every possible flaw bar physical ones.
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>>137671237
Oh boy, this is TOEI tier of laziness.
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>>137671338
>Grimgar
>drowning in beer
>drowning in tears
>drowning in beer and tears
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>>137670168
I wager that I could do pretty well as a tank, I already let people pay me to punch my face
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>>137670168
Other teams seems to perform just fine, its just Haru and his party who sucks that much though.
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>>137671248
Well, not that anon but that makes sense to me. If you gonna delude and escape from reality why would you want to fantasize with being a loser?

Betafags in harem at least has certain logic because they get pussies.
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>>137671338
This, I don't know why anyone enjoys this trash. It's so goddamn boring. And the characters aren't even interesting. They are all just generic, boring nobodies.
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>>137673015
It's fun, the characters feel realistic, nice backrounds, relaxing music.
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>>137671338
>>137673015
Because no one care about what you say.
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>>137673349
And no one cares about this shitty series either, which is why it's flopping so hard right now.
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>>137673308
That too.
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>>137673443
Cmon anon, since when has sales reflected how good a show is? Is Narushit good because it's popular? Fuck no.
You have people complain about Japan's shit taste, but when a show someone doesn't like flops, they'll use that as evidence that the show is bad. The fuck kind of logic is that?
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>>137671263
i think he is crying about the background.
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>>137671338
>Only 2 or 3 scenes showing actual character dynamics
You what?
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>>137673840
The main problem of him is he actual think this show is flop when it's not.
Not major success of course, but not gonna flop anymore.
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>>137672866
Yeah, like Mary's old team, right?
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>>137673443
>is why it's flopping so hard right now.
The fact you want to belive that doesn't make it true

***,*73位/***,*69位 (**2,040 pt) [*,124予約] 2016/03/25 KonoSuba: God's Blessing on This Wonderful World! [Blu-ray]
***,176位/***,174位 ○ (**2,603 pt) [*,**4予約] 2016/02/24 Durarara!!x2 [DVD]
***,338位/***,347位 (***,646 pt) [*,**6予約] 2016/03/16 Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash [Blu-ray]
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>>137674026
Wow, DRRR is pretty high
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>>137674011
Right.

If your point is all them died, true, they died because they gone overconfident but they were doing good.
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>>137674043
It will release next week.

>>137674026
Amazon edition also in top 500 right now.
***,474位/***,567位 (***,480 pt) [*,*14予約] 2016/03/16 【Amazon.co.jp限定】灰と幻想のグリムガル Vol.1(初回生産限定版)(先着購入特典:キャスト複製サイン入り第7話コンテ集付)(全巻購入特典:「描き下ろし全巻収納BOX」引換シリアルコード付) [Blu-ray]
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>>137670168
I dont think thats the idea at all, the idea is

>If you were stuck in an MMO, you'd be hot shit instead of a dirty NEET but you would have to work hard for it
>Work hard always pays off
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>>137671237
They learned levitation magic already?
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I like Grimgar more after the priest died.
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>>137670168
>No, you'd still be a worthless asshole. In fact, you'd be fucked.


Full disclosure?

I think it'd be more like this:
>You may or may not still be a worthless asshole. It entirely depends on your ability to take advantage of the world, it's people and it's resources.
>Even with that said though; there's simply no accounting for happenstance.

You could work really hard and still get stabbed in the back by a fucking goblin while trying to take a poop in the woods and fucking die.
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>>137670168
Except they are the only ones doing so badly. Were they special needs in real life, then?
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>>137671338
> I come to every grimgar thread to complain about the same things I don't like about it
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>>137674338
>mary's team gets torn apart due to incompetance
>"everyone else is doing so much better than them"
Renji is not the norm, anon
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>>137670168
But why wouldn't a NEET who spends all his time in MMO be more successful at it than normalfags?
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The average MMO player is akin to a demigod hero of heroes with nigh unlimited potential for growth beyond any anyone has ever seen. Too bad EVERYONE is that. When its just yet another demigod running around who cares.
Grimgar is nice because it brings back that feeling of the vulnerability. Its not about the fantasy monsters and shit, its that these are a bunch of dumb teenagers.
If it was a western YA book Yume would get knocked up after date rape and shiwhoru would be hispanic and ranta would be black.
Hell, why isn't ranta black NOW?
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>>137674976
Imagine doing the things you do in videogames in real life.
Can you do parkour because you played AssCreed?
There you go.
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ITT: Grimgar haters btfo, confirmed for sucking on dismembered pig picks, unable to finish Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, and caught cheating with loaded die.
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>>137674976
If they had played real dungeon crawlers then their bodies would be honed for survival but MMO are child's play.
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>>137670700
You know after SAO, Overbored and Log Horizon where worthless pieces of shit get to feel like the countless hours they ground away at a shitty game were actually worth something and they get to Gary Stu all over the place, Grimgar feels like the natural answer to this type of shit.
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>>137675349
Succinct and to the point. Bravo, anons.
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I am not saying I am a Navy SEAL full of experience and 300 confirmed headshot kills, but I like to believe I would do something basic and smart like NOT making a fucking picnic on enemy territory, or at least I would put someone on watch to avoid everyone getting caught with their dicks flapping around.

Fighting would be hard, but I can use a blade in anger and actually kill instead of just giving my enemy love bite's.
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>>137675626
For someone who really didn't want to come off as an internet tough guy, you sure failed miserably huh.
How about we wait until we're really in a full Lord of the Flies situation before saying we'd go full porky.
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>>137670168
If my party members were at least as good as me we'd quickly climb up to hot shit.

I mean, I understand that OP is a dirty casual, but not everyone is.
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>>137674911
Mary's team was doing MUCH, MUCH better than theirs. That is, until they met Hogger and fucked up.
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>>137676142
They only got as far as kobolds. Heck most teams only get as far as kobolds.
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>>137675114
he's ginger, does that help?
>the ginger sold his soul for power
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>>137675339
Unless you are the thinker of the group that knowledge is worthless.
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>>137670168
>KonoSuba:
>No, you'd still be a worthless asshole. In fact, you'd be fucked.

Fixed.
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>>137670168
If I was transported to FF XIV I'd probably still be a worthless asshole but at least I'd be around Miqo'te cuties
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Whatever. I just want the story to progress a little faster.
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>>137677224
Take Adderall, kiddo.
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>>137676194
If your character in WoW was deleted when you died most people would only get as far as first murlock encounter. At least before the expansions casualized everything.
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>>137670168
I like Grimgar because it's fun to see scrubs suffer. It's boring to see level 99s.
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>>137677293
No. The director is clearly dragging things on intentionally, for reasons unknown.
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Without Ranta this series would be pretty bad. He's the life of the show.
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>>137677513
Get off /a/, Ranta.
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>>137677513
Ranta, get a trip
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>>137670168
these guys are missing their memories thou, if they had them they would be top tier in 1 month flat.
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>>137670168
But that's not because of the setting, that's because of the characters?
Reiji and friends are doing just fine. And in other trapped in MMO anime like SAO or LH you have a bunch of worthless scrubs who can't do anything right. So it's not like the difference here is that setting is more hardcore, it's just that we're not following the PoV of the MC, we're following the PoV of that one small group of scrub MC meets at one point?
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>>137678426
The other group is doing well because there are tough motherfuckers in it.
The scrub platoon are the average NEET squad with no real life skills.
Just like the MCs of the other shows.
The difference is that Grimgar doesn't seem to follow the mechanics of an MMO once you're there. You actually have to learn and train and work like you would in the real world to get anywhere.
That's what makes the setting more hardcore.

Ainz woke up as his lvl. 99 character in his own castle with an army of NPCs and with a full knowledge of the mechanics of the game. Everything works pretty much the same like when he was playing the game from home, only he's physically present now.
Ainz would have been fucked something fierce in Grimgar.
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>>137678817
>Ainz would have been fucked something fierce in Grimgar

You can't compare the 2 verses since you come to grimgar without your memories.
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>>137679027
I can compare them in the sense that one's a stupid powerfantasy for basement dwellers and the other is a sober and actually intriguing scenario with stakes and shit.

The entire setting of Overlord was custom made to jack its MC off. Whether he had his memories or not doesn't really matter there.
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>>137670168
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>>137679224
>Overlord
>power fantasy
you must have missed the part where 60% of the LN is NPC perspective and keikaku and about 5% is curbstomping as a logical result of said keikaku
you can bet your ass Ainz would find other ways to shit on new worlders
IA SHUB-NIGGURATH is just fanservice
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>>137679224
>entire setting of Overlord was custom made to jack its MC off
>MC doesn't even have sexual desire anymore
>MC spends most of his time worrying and doing acting practice in secret while sweating mentally
If Overlord was about the MC having a good time it'd be set in the glory days of nazarick.
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>>137670168
That's quite a valuable lesson to be learned from this show. Thank you OP.
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>>137671237
It would have been a lot better, or at least less obvious if not for Yume.
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>>137679417
>>137679449
90% of the series is literally:
>I didn't realize you were that weak! Better finish you quick.
>Marry me Ainz-sama.
>As expected of Ainz-sama.
>How can he be so strong?!

The complex condition of being an overpowered fucking demigod that everyone looks up to! Oh woe is me.

I'm so glad that shit was adapted by Madhouse, so there willl never ever be a sequel.
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>>137679224
you can't compare them they are about 2 completely different things.
Grimgar is about survival, while overlord is about world conquest.
you can't have a show about world conquest with a weak MC.
while grimgar characters struggle with people dying all the time, overlord characters struggle with themselves, whether its MCs loneliness of no friends the the NPCs loyalty to their only ruler left.
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>>137679685
>animeonlyfags
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>>137670168

Special A-1 Pictures strategy, if we in theory do the opposite of things that people whine about with a popular genre that makes our show good now....the anime. Remember when they did this with Aldnoah and the mecha genre and how that was supposed to be revolutionary or something.
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>>137679755
Like I said it's the difference between a worthless power fantasy and an actual story.

That's not to say that power fantasies can't be fun, but Overlord was a piece of shit.
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>>137679685
>survival vs keikaku
>you can settle for a crafting job but you can't get away from the title of the biggest dungeon master 4u with expectations from your meidos to boot
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>>137679857
>Remember when they did this with Aldnoah
Apart from when they did the exact same shit as every other mecha series in almost every way imaginable?

Yeah, I remember that.
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>>137679876
alright ill discuss this with you on your level since you can't comprehend actual points.

overlord's great, you just like the garbage grimgar cause its edgy and 2deep4u, also its LN art is fucking bottom tier.
>ITS A DECONSTRUCTION OF THE TRAPPED IN A GAME GENRE
be you haven't even read either overlord or grimgar LN cause it doesnt have le epic fight scenes.
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>>137680251
>You're not as smart as me because you don't read the LNs
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>>137680251
I love OL but these fucking volume names
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>>137673015

Welcome to A-1 Pictures shows. Shitty characters, shitty execution of premises that in the hands of other studios would probably not be an issue, fanservice, melodrama out the ass, shitty pacing, hype marketing, insert songs, decent production values and missing the point of what they occasionally do manage to get thematically right once in a while. Despite all this people will claim their shows are amazing and revolutionary even and that the production values just blow everyone else out of the water.

It's like they're just completely incapable of identifying themes and ideas in whatever they work with too and just try to turn everything into some sort of overwrought melodrama or bland seasonal flavor experience. Toho probably should have just founded their own studio rather than trying to work with A-1, it'd probably be much less of a slog of a show, they might have even ended up with something quirky and decent like Bahamut.
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This thread is what is wrong with anime community

A massive, autistic piece of shit., dont know about movies or books because i don't give a fuck about them, video games are pretty bad but not as anime
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>>137670168
>you'd still be a worthless asshole. In fact, you'd be fucked.
I'd still be socially inept and physically weak, but at least I know healers should stay away from the frontline and that teamwork is key in party play.

I guess one of us in a party would be better than none of us, whereas no one different would mean we're fucked indeed.
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>>137674026
>>137674073

灰と幻想のグリムガル Vol.2(初回生産限定版) [Blu-ray] 最新順位 ***,637位(2016年02月21日01時)
灰と幻想のグリムガル Vol.3(初回生産限定版) [Blu-ray] 最新順位 ***,656位(2016年02月21日01時)

First volume got an event ticket a couple of weeks ago. Those are also still really bad preorder numbers and rankings if it keeps up, just everything is doing ultra shitty this season. If it holds and Amazon is accurate it's going to do like 2.5K in the first week, but it's kind of hard to tell sometimes with late adopter series like this one.
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>>137680448

Nobody ever fucking knows what they're talking about in the anime scene anymore, it's pretty fucked isn't it? Just a whole bunch of idiots just kind of saying the most extreme shit they can most of the time and acting like everyone besides them is always 100% wrong. No thought or cleverness or anything approaching a real discussion going into any of it, it's just a matter of whoever can say the most mind numbingly stupid typical dumb anime fan thing to say that gets turned into a meme or gets the most replies out of people wins the thread and the discussion I guess, doesn't really matter if it has any basis in reality.
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>>137680251

Yet another deconstruction brought to you by Glorious A-1 Pictures who are just above it all now I guess even though most of the things that are currently shitty about popular genre shows are kind of directly a result of their influence.
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>>137679926

Yeah but for whatever reason people think it's different because they don't actually watch mecha and have this idea in their head about every single one being like a super robot show. If I want to watch a David vs. Goliath scenario in mecha where a guy largely takes down mechs using his wits I'll just stick to Mellowlink or something which does it a hell of a lot better.
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>>137679224
>sober and actually intriguing scenario with stakes and shit.

Are you really this retarded?
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>>137671338
I wouldn't mind this pacing if it was a 25 episode anime, but 13 with this pacing? No, you're killing it. Whoever directed this anime is awful.

Vol 1 should've ended by now, Vol 2 should be cut short and add only a bit of Ranta drama and Ranta vs Kobolds, then final fight. Then Vol 3 should have been the final one, ending with Moguzo's death
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>>137680763
I blame whoever thought that the only way to start a thread nowadays is to bait-post.

Now lurkers and newfags are actually learning the wrong impression that you're supposed to shitpost and use bait all the fucking time.
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>>137671338
>flopping
***,302位/***,293位 (***,682 pt) [*,**6予約] 2016/03/16 灰と幻想のグリムガル Vol.1(初回生産限定版) [Blu-ray]
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>>137680520
>at least I know healers should stay away from the frontline
It really speaks volumes about Moguzo that the party considered Manato as tank on par with him.
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I love how apparently a genre being so one note in it's execution on average and just over-saturated in general means if someone takes even a moderately different approach (or opposite extreme approach) that just means a stroke of brilliance on their part apparently. I wonder when we'll see A-1 "deconstruct" the battle harem genre, maybe that's what Asterisk part 2 will get labelled as or something.
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>If you were stuck in an MMO, you'd be hot shit instead of a dirty NEET.

Kono Suba
>maybe you should have picked a magic sword instead of the retard goddess.
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>>137680898

I know right, it's pretty embarrassing and kind of like a sad sack comedy to see play out season after season lately but if you try to say anything about it you're just reddit scum, a crossboarder from /v/, a faggot or autistic so it is what it is.
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>>137680897
>Moguzo's death
Well, shit.
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>>137681001
More like.
>Maybe you shouldn't have chosen to go to a world where orcs were raped to extinction.
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>>137680924

Those aren't very good stalker numbers.
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>>137680924
Those are flopping numbers, like almost everything from this season.
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>>137680924
Only Konosuba isn't flopping, man.
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>>137679883
>uses cash items
>keikaku
Yeah okay.
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>>137675144
Even if I don't know how to do parkour I could just try doing what Altair does everyday and master it in a few weeks.

I'm certain if someone can finish a no death run of a Souls game and plays dungeon crawlers or shit like stalkersoup, then they're more likely to survive than the average guy
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>>137681724
Also his keikaku are really just bullshit MMO tactics in battle, shit that the author can just make up as he goes along.

All his big plans are basic ass shit.
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>>137682517
He's a nolife MMO player who knows a lot about the game but isn't super smart or anything. That's his whole character.

I mean the first thing he does is touch breasts and get embarassed about it.
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>>137681386
it's "making our money back" numbers.
they won't be making a profit of the anime, but the novel and merch is their profit.
all in all grimgar is a success.
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>>137679224
what part of YOU COME TO GRIMGAR WITHOUT YOUR MEMORIES don't you understand?
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i would not mind this anime if people were not autistic i mean it was cute in the beginning but now i am just waiting for them to communicate like normal human beings. especially the purple hair chick she acts like she is 6.
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>>137670168

>implying I wouldn't gank the noob soldiers for their coin and rations

Fuck the boblins, why would I do what some gay tells me
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>>137680843
isnt that the idea behind heavy object?
>>137680969
just because /a/ likes it doesn't mean its brilliant. I like it because its fun, I don't need other shit like 'deconstruction'
>>137682964
They are teenagers anon, them even being watchable is a grace by the author.
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>>137683060
>be thief
>proceed to not steal
is he supposed to steal off mobs or is he just supposed to be some DEX stack fighter? This shit is dumb
0/10 would not isekai to
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>>137677313
Im still triggered by murlocks
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>>137677313
>mfw ELITES around starting areas
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>>137671263

Yeah, Yume's legs are not animated. I swear to god this anime is animated on the budget it takes to buy a 5kg bag of peanuts.
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>>137683324
>They are teenagers anon
How does it justify them acting like slow retards?
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>>137682714

If you think this will sell novels or merchandise, you're delusional.
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>>137670168
Grimgar is terrible. Shit writing, shit animation, shit characters.
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>>137688050
too bad the novels have nearly doubled in sales already.
cry more.
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>>137688080
>shit
Develop please.
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>>137671237
Wow I never saw this when i watched the show. I rather would have been ignorant
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Any doujins yet?
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>>137677568
>>137677644
It's true. Maybe not bad but below average.
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>>137674058
They were shit. Mary carried their asses
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I'm fit, goto the gym 3-4 times a week
I play plenty of vidya, beat dark souls no armor. Plenty of knowledge in MMOs for years.
I would do fine if I transported
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>>137670168
I don't like it at all. The show specifically puts focuses on people who are incompetent, immoral, and irrational, unlike, say Kirito from SAO. They're all losers in this show. No one wants to identify with a loser, especially other losers.

People should watch characters who are admired for their talent, skills and morality. Those are traits the common loser never possesses. I would rather watch a Mary Sue than some Beta who still somehow manages to be treated with respect he never earned.

There needs to be a characters like Kirito or Touma that can just easily solve all the plot's problems and beat all the enemies down. It's not fun watching these characters struggle all the time, lose, and be out planned by the enemies. It shows how pathetic the main cast is, and how uninteresting it is that there isn't an Ace among them.
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>>137683360
They are misnamed.
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>>137683324
>They are teenagers anon
How does that justify everything? Were you like them at that age?
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>>137688050
It sold it to me so, yeah you can say it did
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>>137690298
you probably cant evan make fire without a lighter
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>>137690532
oh my gooh you enlightend me
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>>137671237
jojokes on you fag, I like painterly style
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>>137690298
you don't get your memories anon, it all depends on how your persona is.
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>>137691049
>jojo
Somethingsomething taste somethingsomething liar, etc.
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>>137680897
>Moguzo's death

no
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>>137682714
4k average sales would be making their money back. That rank is more of a 2k seller.
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>>137670168
The only hard thing in this show is my dick thanks to Yume.
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>>137671196
Right.
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>>137690970
I can make fire with liberal application of Pyroblast, though.
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Even if you lost your memories, there is still some idea of who you were before you entered Grimgar. Manato felt like he should drink at the bar because he was convinced he did that in his previous life by whatever latent memories he did have.

Renji gathered the strongest people to form his group. How he determined that, who the fuck knows, but basically the main cast are the runts of the litter. They also had Manato wiping their asses for them for a long time too, so they're especially weak.

So it's the setting and the characters. You have a predisposition based on your life from before the game. The main cast simply do not possess whatever strength Renji saw in other members.

One thing I don't like about Grimgar is how narration practically starts off with Renji's grou already buying their badges. It begs the question as to how big the time gap is from them entering to the main cast's encounter with the goblins, and what the main cast was doing in that time gap.
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>You have a predisposition based on your life from before the game.
Great, I'm fucked then.
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