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I hated Shirou in the adaptation. He was still the same guy but without the inner monologues or backstory you get from the vn, he just comes off as a generic mary sue protagonist who wants to be a hero.
Also I found Better Call Saul to be much more enjoyable than Breaking Bad
>>137666512 Shirou still had monologues in the adaptation, there just weren't as many.
UBW relied very heavily on visual story telling, so much so that you genuinely might need to watch something a few times to properly understand it. That's not inherently a bad thing, either.
I really am not bullshiting this. Using the visuals as much as possible was a stated goal. Pic related.
>generic mary sue protagonist
Just a slew of buzzwords. I don't even know how you can describe him as a mary sue. He gets his ass kicked repeated and is told by half the cast that he's wrong about everything he believes in. Just because he triumphs in the end doesn't make him a sue, if that was the case countless protagonists would be as well.
>Also I found Better Call Saul to be much more enjoyable than Breaking Bad
I haven't caught the first episode of the second season, but unless there was a massive jump in quality, I personally don't agree. I still liked it a fair bit, though.
The mary sue part comes from things like reviving after being stabbed by Archer because Avalon, which looks like an asspull if you didn't read the VN. The VN relied on the Fate route to establish Avalon's existence. To a secondary all he sees is Shirou magically reviving from an asspull.
Not enough explaination was given for Shirou's projection either. VN readers know how it works because the VN explains it. The anime never explained much, and this confused secondaries who see it as a power that Shirou conveniently acquires.
Fate Zero actually did better with its long winded expositions, which while annoying at least made clear to the audience what was happening.
I think those who started with the VN underestimate how much harder FSN is to understand when you started with the anime. Show, don't tell is a very bad idea for a Fate anime.
>>137666727 13 was great and the books in S2 were adapted better than the books in S1. 4 and 5 were butchered. 6 and 2 were shit from the beginning and Styl fight against Touma was ruined in book 1's adaptation.
>>137666873 The thing that I think seems to be the biggest problem for you here is that I think you're looking at UBW like it should be a stand alone experience.
It never claimed to be Fate/stay night. It claimed to be Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works], and while it does add a few things to connect some matters with Zero, it is very much that story and route.
There is an anime already covers the Fate route, and everything that you seem to be mentioning. It was made in 2006, and evidently, Type Moon and Ufotable found it to not be so unacceptable that it needed to be remade right away.
Starting right with UBW is like starting with season two or three of a show. Sure, you might be able to pick up a good chunk of it, but you'll miss some stuff. It is a flaw in the viewer though who complains that they don't understand everything, and refuse to look back at what came before it.
>>137667018 Like, I'm pretty sure if someone watched the 2006 series, and then the UBW anime, assuming they were paying attention, they'd probably get at least 85-90% of what someone who read those routes in the VN got.
>>137667912 No matter what way you slice it, UBW was never intended to be the first Type Moon or Fate series you watch.
But that's not really a huge fault on its part. A guy mention Breaking Bad earlier. Love the show, season four was my personal favorite part of it. Would I ever tell people to start there, though? Hell no, but that doesn't mean the story is any less good just because it can't be jumped into right away.
>survives long enough for Kiritsugu to stuff an NP (that only heals when Saber exists, but luckily it still has some juice left over to be used on someone that doesn't even have a contract/connection with her :^) ) into him instead of getting turned into a battery >said Noble Phantasm also alters his origin, the foundation of his existence/what defines his existence >less significant, but his elemental affinity gets altered too >this gives him the super rare ability to manifest a reality marble, a one of a kind thing that is almost on the level of True Magic >the reality marble benefits madly from Shirou just being in the HGW since he wouldn't see weapons of such power and history pretty much anywhere else, let alone in such amounts >said RM happens to be the weakness of the greatest Heroic Spirit and antagonist, Gilgamesh - who shits all over demigods and legendary heroes with minimal effort Woah, this seems kinda convenient.
>>137668973 Gilgamesh lost for the same reason Vegeta often loses in DBZ: He didn't take his opponent seriously until it was too late.
It's canon that Gilgamesh could have ended either Grail War in a single night if he actually put in the effort: He's that strong.
But being that strong has, perhaps rightly, made him a super-arrogant prick. Even when he realized he was being overwhelmed by Shirou in the heart of Shirou's Reality Marble, he hesitated when reaching for Ea: He was so arrogant that the thought of having to actually use a serious weapon against a mere human was blasphemy to him.
Gilgamesh can curbstomp any Heroic Spirit or Master if he so chooses, but the problem with him is not ability, it's his attitude. He doesn't take anything seriously, because he's so used to being so much more powerful than anything else around him.
>>137670686 I really don't think the 2006 anime is bad.
I mean, it's not amazing, and it's certainly not flashy, but it tells its story decently enough, and can definitely watch worse shows.
It only gets really wonky to me when they tried to add in the Caster arc with that splash of Heaven's Feel. That just didn't work, but I understand what they were going for. They assumed there wouldn't be anymore Fate anime after that, so they needed to tell as complete of a story as possible, so they gave Caster and Assassin something to do, and rounded out things with Sakura and Rin.
The only real travesty DEEN pulled was that fucking UBW movie. There's no way I can defend that, and I don't think TM or Ufotable defend it either, since UBW was the first thing they jumped to when it came to adapting FSN again.
>>137668973 >>said RM happens to be the weakness of the greatest Heroic Spirit and antagonist, Gilgamesh How is infinite NP's vs infinite weaker NP's with a timer a weakness? Gil lost only because he didn't want to take a fight with a human seriously.
Everyone acknowledges Sakura is an anomaly because she is an experiment who is part of the grail system and has strong affinity for spirits. Even the guy who experimented on her believed she was just a girl with strong blood and not the powerhouse she ended up being, which is odd considering he should of known she was strong if she survived all those experiments without breaking or turning into a vegetable. If her powers were properly utitlized insteads of her just going by instinct, she would be ridiculously powerful.
Besides, Gil was melted by the grail in Zero and only survived because he rolled a 20 on a charisma check, the next time in the 5th war both in UBW and HF, the grail gave him the middle finger with no chance to roll that charisma check again.
It didn't reall round out things with Sakura and Rin though. It added that arc, resolved things, but Sakura and Rin never talk afterwards even after all that and Shirou never asks any questions like he actually would. They show one picture of her in the bed and then what happened is forgotten as they finish they Fate route.
>>137672942 Yeah, I'll readily admit they didn't do it particularly well, but I understand what they were aiming for in concept. Execution could have been more solid.
As it stands right now though, I don't think the parts that handle just the Fate route are done badly. They're not super fancy, and I would hardly say many of the fights came as good, but it gets all the hits from Fate's narrative in there.
Adventures of Sinbad became better than Magi. Fate/Zero better than FSN Fairy Tail Zero is better than Fairy Tail. Nanoha is better than that Triangle Heart... Pokemon Special(Adventures) better than Pokemon
There is always something that reveals Sakura knows more than she lets on in each route(Sakura confronting Rin and getting Rin to admit she was stalking Sakura in Fate route, Rin stalking the Matou household in UBW - whic btw, why didn't Shirou press Rin about asking if ab adopted child was happy while shadowing Sakura's house? that was odd even in the VN), she was never just a random girl. The story is just structured so you can't know more until HF
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