With KyoAni producing shit, is this the best studio right now?

>>137642070
What do you mean by producing shit?

>>137642115
Phantom World

Sunrise like it was and will be.

>>137642204
everything except gintama is shit though

>>137642266
Votoms

>>137642281
>best studio right now

>>137642281
>right now

>>137642303
>>137642349
>like it was and will be

>>137642794
But not right now. And what's on the horizon for Sunrise?

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>>137642070
You can't even deny it

The documentary was fucking great

>>137642989
evafags pls go

>>137642070
they don't really count as a studio like KyoAni do though

it's like comparing a temp agency that hire out off-contract musicians to an actual band

>>137643180
How the fuck do they not count? They're produced more shows and films than KyoAni.

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>>137643078
Won't deny that, but you can't deny that this was pretty great

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A1 ruined the Nanoha franchise with their shitty adaptation of Vivid.

I'll never forgive them for that.

>>137643829
>he watches mahou shoujo

>>137642903
Accel World: Infinite Burst is coming this summer

>>137644153
is it going to be a proper movie or one of these lame recap movies

>>137642070
They are only good for SoL. The rest is always shit.

>>137642070
KyoAni junior? Sure.

>>137642204
They've hd like two good anime in the last three years.

>>137644359
Though BokuMachi is surprisingly good this season.

>>137644359
>Ano Hana
>Black Butler
>Space Brothers
>Occult Academy
>Fractale
>Oreimo
>Silver Spoon
>Sekai Seifuku
>Gate
>Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

>shit

>>137644500
>AnoHana
>Black Butler
>Fractale
>OreImo
>Gate
>not shit

>>137642070
Not really.

Their quality has plummeted significantly in the past years.

>>137644500
I consider Space Brothers and Silver Spoon as shit, same for Oreimo. Dropped Gate. >>137644458 is if from me.
Black Butler is good indeed, when they were adapting the manga. Occult Academy was average, didn't watch the others. I

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>>137644594
your subpar opinions make menma cry

>>137644631
>as shit
I meant as SoL.

>>137644631
>Space Brothers and Silver Spoon are worse than Black Butler and Occult Academy
Your taste is so bad I'm tempted to shitpost with it in Boku Dake threads to make them look bad.

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Can you really call it a studio? It's mostly just freelancers and publishers that cycle in and out. There's no solid team in there.

>>137644668
Typo >>137644664

>>137643345
He means that A-1 is like a freelance studio. If you can even call it a studio.

>>137644737
>>137644783
I think you overestimate the number of people working there who aren't regularly employed.

>>137644783
It is a studio. There is no finagling here, it objectively is. And since it is, and they have certain tendencies and habits, there's no reason not to judge it against others. It's like saying JC Staff or Madhouse aren't studios.

>>137644880
>they have certain tendencies and habits
like what

>>137643345
A1 is more like a banner under which bunches of contractors work than a studio, The staff are all completely different between shows.

>>137642070
The best studio is DEEN. You can't deny it, they're making two of the best shows airing this season.

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>>137644940
Fucking up the pace for the final stretch of their shows.

>>137644737
>It's mostly just freelancers and publishers that cycle in and out
They have like two hundred employees.

>>137644872
people are regularly employed under different teams though, this can completely change the dynamic and feel of a show because you have so many variables at work.

>>137644986
being employed in A-1 is not like being employed in a studio like KyoAni or shaft, not all of the 200 employees are brought in for every show and not all of them are given work in a show when all of the resources are occupied, hence the term freelancers working there.

>>137644650
Good. Also she's dead. Fuck her.

>>137644880
It is a studio, in a namesake's sense.

I'm not saying freelancing is bad. But if you change everyone every time for every different show that you do, it makes your work very uneven, unappealing for work, and frankly, stress people.

>>137645105
>they're mostly freelancers
>but they're not, they have a lot of employees
>those are still freelancers because I said so

>>137642070

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxOLsijykuo

>>137645110
>she's dead. Fuck her

Sounds like a plan.

>>137645105
Well, no shit. They make ten times as many shows as KyoAni, of course they aren't going to use all their employees on every one. Does every studio with sub-studios not count as a real studio, either, since they don't all get used on each show?

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>>137645117
>I'm not saying freelancing is bad. But if you change everyone every time for every different show that you do, it makes your work very uneven, unappealing for work, and frankly, stress people.

I wouldn't say that, while more traditional studios develop their own feel as they iron out their kinks and play on their strengths, sometimes there is merit to attempt to assemble an all-star cast of animators and directors to make a completely unique and possibly amazing show.

>>137645137
>"employees" that function under contract essentially like a freelancer
>"they're employees because the studio says so and that's that"

>>137642070

A "studio" that overworked one of their freelancers to death that's what.

>>137645221
>>"they're employees because the studio says so and that's that"
The trivial claim that they're all free-lancers is wrong, definitionally, and the central point of "it's just different people cycling in and out!" is also wrong, since even if you somehow want to claim that non-freelancers should be called freelancers, they still have a large group of the same people who they call upon regularly.

>>137645221
>sometimes there is merit to attempt to assemble an all-star cast of animators and directors to make a completely unique and possibly amazing show

See, it would be great if that were the case. But it isn't. Since they do a lot of shows every season, everyone is so spread out that they have to call on amateurs just to fill in staff for work on a show.

>>137645338
Definitionally a freelancer is "working for different companies at different times rather than being permanently employed by one company." They are freelancers because they undertake different jobs when they aren't employed by A-1. Just because A-1 wants to call their regulars "employees" doesn't mean that they don't do different jobs for other studios or that they are going to be magically employed forever at A-1 when publishers dont want them

>>137644880
It's a "studio" the same way DJ Khaled is an "artist". It's just the name a random collection of people in the industry work under for a project.

>>137642070
They produced SAO so I guess you're right

>>137645207
What makes a studio is the feel of their work and their animation quirks. With a large "studio" like A-1 you have a variety of different people and authors at work making different shows with completely different animation. If you want to fixate on the literal definition of a studio then you can call A-1 a studio but it's hard to see it as anything other than a bunch of different creators assembled ad hoc in a nice place to animate.

>>137645487
I don't know who DJ Khaled is, but I assume he's a group pseudonym? Because that's literally what a studio is in the first place. If you're going to claim the studio is about the people and not an arbitrary name, then you'd probably also have to say that Trigger made PSG. But you don't, because they didn't, because a studio is just a business entity, not the people behind it, who in any case aren't as random as you seem to be saying. It's not like every person in the industry has an equal chance to be in the next A-1 project or something, they just have a broader range than the studios you're talking about.

And while we're at it, can someone please address other studios like this already, so I don't have to keep bringing it up? JC Staff, for example. Are they "not a studio"?

>>137645684
There's no issue with defining and using the word studio like that, in fact it's very normal to do so. But OP was comparing KyoAni to A1 as if they can be compared as 'studios', when in that context it's like comparing apples to oranges - it's not a meaningful conversation like comparing specific animators or VAs or bands or writers or something.

>>137645684
>because a studio is just a business entity, not the people behind it

This is the reason why you don't agree, you've become married to the sole idea that a studio is nothing more than the dictionary definition and not the creative or artistic style that is actually attached to it.