>>137635891 Otaku are willing to pay absurd prices for their shit, that's why they're otaku. Anime's become such a niche market in Japan that lowering the prices wouldn't bring in enough new purchases to make up for the decrease in revenue, so the companies will just go bankrupt.
>>137643973 Other nonsense in this thread aside, this is the real reason. Also the reason most anime tends to be aimed at selling things other than bds (be it waifu merch, models, card games, or even just the source LN or manga).
>>137634112 Because they are premium collectors items. If we are talking about actually just consuming anime, they don't have to spend anywhere near that money. It's just for collectors and die hard fans.
Otherwise there are rentals, TV, steaming. You name it. But BD/DVDs are expensive. Since they are premium collectors items.
>>137646310 The late-night niche anime shows? They're only being aired on TV to make people aware that the show actually exists, and/or the source material exists.
>hey, people, watch adaption of show whatever >please buy thing that the anime adaption is based on onegaishimasu >these guys are the big sponsors, by the way >please buy things from them, and they'll make more animu
>>137646231 >It is funded by BD sales It's funded by other companies that then make money from BD's, CD's, live events etc. If an anime sells poorly or doesn't boost the sales for the source material, companies don't invest money to make another show.
>>137646517 The sponsors will determine if something gets another season if the fans buy things from the sponsors. That's how it works, and that's how it shall continue being done for the next decade.
Low disc sales is a problem for the sponsor responsible for producing the discs. And perhaps the animation studio. But in most cases, it really isn't a problem, because those producers know that they only have to print so and so many discs to not make a loss.
>>137646790 Production committees have been trying to find alternate means to finance and recoup costs for making anime since some time. They're not trying to rely exclusively on BD and DVD sales. It's just that the industry is generally slow to change, and rather prefers to play it safe. But there have been experiments.
>>137646631 Fuck no. The we'll get retarded continuations of series that are done and finished. There are already enough shitty series that drag seasons out until every last one of its fans hate what it's become, until eventually it gets a half-assed, last minute finale that needs a special movie release to make any kind of sense of.
Yuru yuri, Toradora, Madoka, Oreimo, Kill la Kill, and a bunch of other more 'mainstream' anime cost upwards of 60 for a volume of 4-6 episodes and ~100 for seasons/series. Even a really mainstream anime like SAO costs ~60 bucks for 7 episodes. It's fucking irritating. Not to mention that Bandai closed up so now stuff like Haruhi/Lucky Star is crazy expensive.
>>137646790 I don't think anime can survive on streaming services, I mean making a one-cour TV series costs around a milion, and we have around 50 shows each season. So unless those streaming sites get really fucking popular or nips decide to go international it won't happen. I mean, even Netflix makes only a handful of original series, and mostly relies on licensing. >cost upwards of 60 for a volume of 4-6 episodes Japanese discs cost around 70$ for 2 episodes, but at least they give cool shit with it.
Also something GuP-related seems to be dominating DVD sales on amazon, is it the movie? I can't read moon.
>>137634112 Because that's the same pricing model Japs have been using since they started selling anime on VHS in the 80s. Shit has never been cheap to own and so long as their otaku fags are willing to shell out the money for it, they see no need to change.
>>137648092 I was thinking if perhaps new shows with subtitles could be aired a few hours after Japan in the west on TV, but it'd be very niche and pointless since TV is dying, but the commercial fees would be pretty beneficial.
>>137648791 This. Streaming isn't an alternative to BDs, because people aren't forking over $300-500 to watch something they've never seen before, nor are they buying every show they watched or liked. They're basically merchandise.
So much ignorance in this thread. Going to clear up some misunderstandings one by one.
BD prices are high because they are sold at rental copy prices rather than retail prices. This is practice that started back in the VHS days, because otaku were unwilling to wait for retail tapes of the shows to come out they would actually purchase rental copies from the distributor in order to add it to their collection that much more quickly. Most of the people who bought anime videos were otaku, so the industry simply stopped selling them at retail prices. And as a consequence they actually make more money now than ever before and sales have actually gone up over the years.
Next, BD sales are very important to anime studios because it makes up the bulk of the profit they see. Notice I said profit, not revenue. In terms of revenue, they get the most money from the production committee, which is a consortium of advertisers, publishers, manufacturers, distributors, and TV networks. That money from the production committee is the budget for the show and most studios will burn through all of it and then some during the production, counting on making it back off of secondary revenue from character licensing, merchandising, and especially video sales. They get the biggest cut out of BD sales because there's fewer hands in the pot compared to merch or character licensing.
If you've been paying attention this also explains why TV still airs on anime despite relying on BD sales.
>>137649453 Some people really want to rewatch it. Some people just want to own it because they loved it or because it's a collector's thing. Some people want to support a show they liked. Some people want the bonuses that come with the discs. Like the other guy said, buying the BDs is more like buying merchandise than it is buying the ability to watch the show. The TV run basically advertises the BDs (among all the other stuff), so people watch a bunch of them and then buy a few.
>>137649353 It's not that simple. Most people ITT don't understand that most anime studios are mercenary. They are contracted by these production consortia to animate a project. They have free will, they can turn it down if they think it's going to lose them money. So let's say you're a publisher who made an anime for one of your best selling LNs. It really boosted the sales, tripled them in fact, so much you want another anime. Problem is, the studio actually lost money on that anime because they ended up going over budget and the sales of the BDs were so pitiful that they still ended up in the red. So the anime studio says "no thanks, we'll look for a better option." Well that's bad, but you can still shop around for another studio right? Except all the other studios know your product doesn't sell BDs and that you were rejected by the first studio, so good luck finding anyone willing to do it. S2 never.
However there are studios that are actually owned by TV networks (like Toei) so to them BD sales are important, what matters is viewership ratings. That's why One Piece literally never takes an off season. Cause it brings in ratings.
>>137650256 I'll add that the studios were really afraid of piracy in the early days of home video and really didn't want millions of copies of their movies circulating around on tapes. They preferred to sell a few thousand copies to rental stores rather to the general public.
>>137650099 They could theoretically also just pay the studio more to offset losses. I've never seen information of really any kind on studio rates, but I'd imagine they get paid more for some minor shounen manga than for say Nisemonogatari.
Also, do you know if private networks actually pay the studio instead of the other way around like it usually is? That's the obvious way I could see to make that model work, but I could be missing something.
>>137650099 I kinda have my doubts on that. Also, I doubt that there are that many studios capable of refusing to do work. If they would refuse to work on a further season, it would rather be because they simply do not have the capacity and manpower to do so, are booked out completely, or have some personal problems with the people involved.
>>137650354 >They could theoretically also just pay the studio more to offset losses. Yeah but that's still not really an incentive for the studio to make the anime though. They'd have to be super desperate to take a job whose only enticement is "you won't lose money on it". >but I'd imagine they get paid more for some minor shounen manga than for say Nisemonogatari Lots of shounen titles don't rely on sales because they're animated by studios like Toei, who rely on TV ratings. >Also, do you know if private networks actually pay the studio instead of the other way around like it usually is? To my knowledge no, the broadcast slot is always paid for by the production committee except for studios like Toei who are actually owned by the TV networks the show airs on.
>>137650502 >I doubt that there are that many studios capable of refusing to do work They don't refuse to do work, they refuse contracts that aren't favorable. You know how movie scripts work? There's hundreds of scripts out there but only a few are chosen to be made into movies every year. Similar thing with anime. Lots of proposed anime deals out there, but studios only pick the ones they think will make them money.
>>137650620 >To my knowledge no, the broadcast slot is always paid for by the production committee except for studios like Toei who are actually owned by the TV networks the show airs on. If that's true, then I have to wonder why anyone bothers airing shows on AT-X and stuff. It seems like it'd be a very minor exposure, especially if it's the first or primary channel to air it.
>>137650502 >Also, I doubt that there are that many studios capable of refusing to do work It's not a matter of being "capable" if the show literally loses you money. No one, no matter how desperate, is going to produce an anime that will come out of your pocket and go into the publishers'.
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