How many anime series do you need to watch until you can be considered an "anime veteran?" On /mu/, it's 267 albums, but I'm guessing it's not as much here, since you're average album is, like, 45 minutes.
Let's say you've watch a 100 shows, (that's not a lot, if you want to be a veteran we're talking way way more than that), and to be nice let's say they're short 13 eps long shows, 20 mins per episode.
So even a bare minimum takes a longer time, and if you want to be a veteran we're talking at least 300 shows that can be sometimes 26 or 50 eps or more, 200+ movies and OVAs, of course you have to read manga too, why not a few VNs.
It's going to add up very quickly. I'll let you do the rest of the math.
You just gotta talk the talk, there's little actual watching required.
You've just had to experience most of the classics and popular ones, while also going out and discovering stuff on your own. Classics build up all the time and each season will have a must watch so the list gets longer
Also I only read manga and watch anime movies, not shows so I'm nowhere near veteran status
It isn't really about the number you watch, it's about WHAT you watch. Someone with 1000 hours watched could easily just have watched One Piece and all the related material a few times, or they could have seen well over 100 series.
Watching obscure shit nobody knows doesn't really help, either. An "anime veteran" would be someone who can do a comparison of Kill la Kill and TTGL on the fly. They would have to be able to do an analysis on Death Note and Code Geass, explaining the moral themes and series decay over time. They would have to know where memes come from, like how School Days is responsible for "Nice Boat" and Azumanga Diaoh is why "My Waifu" exists in the first place. They would have to be able to know that Madoka and Evangelion are deconstructions of their respective Genre, but also understand that doing a gritty reboot doesn't instantly make a series a deconstruction.
Basically, if you know your shit about all of the important series, you're an anime veteran. It doesn't matter if you hate Shounen, if you haven't seen the basic shounen series you aren't a veteran of anime. Same goes for every topic, you need to experience the genre-defining series like K-On and Sailor Moon (or at least know the plot and details of the series) to be an expert or a veteran.
Not the anon you replied to, but it's true. Even if something ends up being shit, every season has SOMETHING worth watching. Even if it's just "Anime X is worth watching because it helped make Y genre more Z" or "It's the first anime to do ABC, which is now a common anime trope all over".
Sure, there's stuff I enjoy every season but "must-watch"? Nothing this season is a must-watch. Nothing last season was a must-watch. I'm not some anime doomsayer, I'm just being realistic. There are only a handful of tv shows every year that are good enough to be worth everyone's time.
>your points are agreeable
I'm 50-50 on whether he's baiting, that's how stupid his points are. He was asked about how much experience you need with anime and he replied "That doesn't matter, you just have to know about the popular series from different genres and be able to talk about them!"
Its not about what's worth watching in your opinion, or my opinion, or anyones opinion. It's about watching what everyone is talking about and spewing their shit memes about.
You must watch it to get what all the hubbub is about
Well this season isn't over, don't forget that some of the most important things in /a/'s history only happen at the end of a season. Remember how Gainax ruined Christmas on the last day of PaSwG, or how we saw a Nice Boat on the last day of School Days. Not to mention you can't determine if something is "must watch" this early in the season, I mean what if something ends up having some super crazy twist ending and everyone ends up loving the series.
I'd say a veteran seems like a decade or more experience
100-150 shows a year is pretty reasonable, so maybe 1000-1500. There should also be requirements for multiple genres, eras, levels of quality and for actually knowing stuff about anime history and the anime industry (no, not just what you get from watching Shirobako)
Honestly at that point it's kind being an "anime veteran" is likely a small consolation for spending so much time watching shit anime.
Guess I'm a /mu/tant then.
I don't think being knowledgeable about memes equates to being knowledgeable about anime. The guy I replied to was implying that there's a must-watch show every season that gets added to that nebulous list of "classics". Not sure popularity really counts to that, since in-jokes die out if the show itself isn't a stayer.
Of course that's true, but it's also unlikely.
When you know to drop a series after seeing the first 10 minutes of episode 1 or less, then 3 months later find out that everyone objectively rate it as shit. Basically you're a veteran/expert when you can confidently say "I know it's shit the moment I see it" and is actually correct.
I'll use the original name when it's practical (for example, calling it "Erased" is stupid as fuck), but I'm not going to call Whisper of the Heart Mimi wo Sumaseba when less than half as many anons will understand me that way, that's just stupid.
Everyone knows what Erased is though, and it's much shorter without being abbreviated. Not that I give a shit what you call it, I just don't see how that could possibly be considered "stupid as fuck"
Boku Dake ga Inai Machi doesn't mean erased and there is no reason beyond marketing to make such a big change during translation
Also when people call something a certain name for years and suddenly everyone uses a memename that didn't even exist six months ago it is pretty annoying.
Because I do agree with the other guy that original titles make the most sense when practical, plus it's a pretty shitty-sounding title on its own and unfaithful to boot, plus you're throwing a new name in when everyone's been using the nip for years, plus not using it helps distinguish the complete retards who heard about it on Funimation's official streaming site and don't even know the real title.
Okay, I can see how that makes sense in the context of the manga being around for a while. The localized title only popped up for the adaptation then? I'm not a manga guy.
Pretty much this.
7. Use animation terms such as genga and douga, kantoku and reference film movements and international animation to confound the average reader so as to render them unable to counter your arguments.
8. Regurgitate the opinions of animation scholars such as Peter Chung to look more informed.
9. Assign political terms such as misogynist, fascist, imperialist, capitalist, consumerist and regressive to anime you despise.
10. Namedrop psychologists, academics, philosophers to elevate the anime far beyond what it actually tries to achieve as well as to display how well-rounded an individual you are.
>spend all your time learning Japanese instead of watching anime
>watch a bunch of shitty untranslated OVAs from the 80s
>call everyone else a pleb for watching newshit or entry level oldshit
>nobody can refute you because they can't watch the shows
It's not that hard
OP just made that shit up. Aside from a /mu/core chart /mu/ has never had any sort "you need to listen to X amount of albums" criteria that needs to be met.
I've downloaded around 400-500 albums within the last year. There are some people on /mu/ who do that in a week.
Eh, it's not really a big deal, you enjoy what you enjoy. I was saying that more to illustrate a point, not to try and brag about how much music I listen to. To some people watching 100 shows would sound absolutely ridiculous.
Powerlevel requirements aside, at least we can all agree that if you haven't been watching at least ten anime a season for at least the last ten seasons, you're not really an anime fan and therefore don't really belong on /a/, right?
You're probably the type of person who posts in 3x3 threads, complains about moeshit or haremshit, uses the term "deconstruction" in any context, or thinks there's only double/triple digit number of anime worth watching and everything else is shit.
>to merely not be a noob
>to be fairly experienced
>to be unquestionably experienced
Of course you shouldn't use your completed count as a ruler by which your opinion matters. There are people out there who are experienced and still have bad taste; some things never change.
I just put myself to read it. You can say that's quite accurately and I actually liked it, but it doesn't change the fact that he's likely to be a shitposter faggot. Do u git dee brah?
I would like to think that the minimum requirement for posting on /a/ is having read or watched over 300 anime/manga series. Unfortunately, it seems like a good deal don't even see 50.
only a niwaka worries about whether they're a "veteran" or not
if you have to ask, you aren't one
and if you are one, you don't really think about it
like you're aware of it, but at that point it's kind of small and moot
Damn, I'm all over the place. My first anime was katie and the caterpillar kids and the Lensmen. I enjoy a lot of the deeper plunging shit on there, but I also really love the popular stuff too, like Madoka and attack on titan. Just finished Great Teacher Onizuka, working on a new 12 parter from the guy who made Trigun. Something something blood something in New York.
Complain to Hiro to make a separate manga board.
No, no. Once you're a veteran you just kind of stop caring. You don't only watch the "must see" ones or even the ones you think are "good." You just kind of watch all of it as your minimum standards gradually drop in favor of just kind of watching anime to watch even more anime.
Newfags want to be vets, but once you actually are one you realize it's not so great.
Here's the inside scoop, OP.
If you feel like you can contribute to a thread, feel free to participate. If you can't, then stay out. If you, at any point, feel like you're about to reveal how new you are to the site, then just lurk more.
That's how things have been for a long time. If you don't know, you lurk more. You don't gamble and say some uneducated nonsense hoping that someone won't call you out on it, at that point you're just being an idiot.
Just watch what you enjoy and post in threads you want to discuss anime in. Lurk a bit to acquaint yourself with the board etiquette, and try to avoid arguing if you're not 100% sure about the subject.
Mentioning power levels only leads to circlejerking. If you have something positive to contribute to a thread, then go ahead. I can't care less about how many series you've seen and this is coming from someone with 900+ series seen with a lot of series unaccounted for because I swear to god you have to ascend past an ascended autist to fully update MAL or whatever autistic list that keeps track of the stuff you've seen.
If you're a low powerleveled newfag and you start trying to inflate your ego by arguing about something you're not 100% sure about or you try to command authority with your nonexistent credibility, then you need to leave.
Do you get it, OP? It's a very simple advice: don't be an idiot. I've been here for an incredibly long time and this is the best advice I can offer you.
Newfags watch everything, then as you move on you periodically burn out and come back on and off for years, then you just watch shit, enjoy it and don't make fucking awful meta-threads.
I just watch cartoons while I do cardio. So yeah. I end up watching a lot, wanted to come here to see what the refined taste of /4chan/ would recommend. Appearently you hate sword art online and love monster masume.
Pro tip, and this is for the entire fucking site here, if you take anything fucking seriously you're getting trolled. Just watch shit and if you want to discuss it discuss it.
By all means, go back to ebaums.
That's fucking nothing. I watch at least six episodes per day. I watched about 10 today. A whole 20-30 a week is nothing. If anything, it's necessary to sustain the amount of anime I watch.
Anon, no. You need the validation of others to feel good about yourself, of course. You need those upvotes and likes. What others think of you is paramount.
Get out of here with your "self-confidence" bullshit.
>if you don't force yourself to eat shit you're not a true fan
I love this /a/utist mentality, no one on /mu/ says you're not a true music fan if you don't listen to shitty scenecore and popshit among acclaimed stuff
Anime is about quantity, not quality. Similarly, you have to spend a certain minimum amount on merch to be a true fan. If you don't own even a single fig, you're indisputably a casual. There's a lot of requirements to be a true anime fan.
Anon, "popshit" is different from "everything that airs this season." No one's saying you have to love the top-seller of every season, but if you don't enjoy a good amount of stuff that comes out, you don't belong here and should stick to your shitty music board.
Personally, I like to start with the first episode, then the last and keep going back and forth seeing if I can figure out how it got from point A to point B before I finish in the middle.
Can't believe these casuals who just watch a whole series in chronological, broadcast order. I think Haruhi proved that's not the right way to watch anime.
>Personally, I like to start with the first episode, then the last and keep going back and forth seeing if I can figure out how it got from point A to point B before I finish in the middle.
This actually sounds like it'd be funny as fuck to watch someone do for the right series.
Back when I started posting on /a/ the consensus was that you didn't know shit until you'd watched at least 100 days of anime. That's 2400 hours.
People occasionally used MAL to track it back then but the real cool kids used excel spreadsheets.
>Just finished Great Teacher Onizuka
the anime is shit SHIT
watch the original LA drama
How the industry works is a completely different set of knowledge. If you just talk about anime and don't try to make shitty claims about the production process or whatever, then I don't care if you even know what a studio is.
>On /mu/, it's 267 albums
That's awfully specific.
Anyway, I'd say it's not down to a number of shows, but a wide variety of genres and from different eras, not just the last couple of years. It's hard to pin down a way to define that with numbers, though.
If we're going in terms of veteran animerpro seriously, veterans are self awared of what they're watching thus they enjoy anime for what its have to offer "solely", and kinda don't follow treads/bandwagon. That's the big difference. Seasonal anime barely matters.
KLK, panty&cartoon, little witch kickerlick, umaru for exemple, are one among few titles that we are likely to not give any attention. However, Veterans isn't a good term to qualify who's who, a jackass who have spent considerable time on the grand scheme could be called veteran, if he genuinely like anime or know/says anything trustworthy is another story. People get in things for various personal ends which aren't always loyal to the subject/fandom.
You must have excellent filters to not be bothered by newfags posting nonsense all the time because they don't understand anime tropes or japanese culture.
Honestly it's not even that hard to watch 100 days of anime over the course of a year or two, even just following what's airing and watching a few classics in your downtime. I got it in my first 18 months after getting on /a/.
>Honestly it's not even that hard to watch 100 days of anime over the course of a year or two
Spending literally a quarter of your time watching anime isn't achievable for basically anybody.
>You must have excellent filters to not be bothered by newfags posting nonsense all the time because they don't understand anime tropes or japanese culture.
Because half of them are trolls just pretending. There isn't even much culture you need to learn that requires 100 days. Maybe 10 days are needed, and even that's pushing it.
News at 11. Veteran are those who has been on the road for a long time, they could be anyone, and that's the problem.
Calling anyone Veteran as a opinion seal approval is retarded.
The average American watches 5 hours of TV per day, according to a quick google. That's 35 hours per week. At that rate it'd only take about 70 weeks to hit 2400 hours. Not hard at all.
Most of tier 2 through to tier 4 could be one tier, as it is there's things all over the place that don't really belong above other shows in obscurity to westerners.
Cardcaptor Sakura for instance should be tier 1 even. Girls Und Panzer somewhere in tier 2, K-On! and Space Dandy should be higher up etc. etc. Ergo Proxy, while old, isn't all that obscure either. Probably belongs near Toradora!
how...? are you one of those strange people that doesn't listen to music? mainstream being complete shit isn't an excuse either, there's good music for anyone willing to search for it
>Honestly it's not even that hard to watch 100 days of anime over the course of a year or two
I've watched 2500 episodes over the last 11 months and even that feels like way too much, I can't imagine upping it that much and still understanding any of what I watch.
I don't know the actual point at which you become a veteran. I want to say around 300 series. Most people don't get that deep into anime though. The common thing for casuals is to burn out on anime by their mid 20s, after exhausting the pool of shows that fit their standards/tastes. They don't actually like anime per se, they just like certain kinds of stories and content. Once they run out of shows that meet their criteria they rapidly lose interest and just stop watching anime. That or they stubbornly persist on staying in the anime scene and complaining that nothing caters to their tastes. You see these types even on /a/, who post here despite not having watched a single anime in years. They are the most pathetic type of burnout.
So to actually reach veteran status you have to like anime as a medium, and often that means having diverse taste in content and genres. To get to the point that you can predict a show's quality and direction in the first episode requires watching many anime of similar quality and style. There's no substitute for that kind of experience.
I was like that in my senior year of college. I didn't have that many classes per term and just filled my hours with anime. Was watching 30 seasonal shows plus a different series from my backlog every week.
I doubled the amount of lifetime anime I watched in those 10 months. These days I watch maybe a third that much anime.
i watched all of gintama over two weeks two weeks ago
i kept from burning out by taking a break and marathoning whole cours of other series
i would wake up, watch gintama until i fell asleep and repeat
there really is a limit to how much you should watch in a time period, anon
This. Today many failed with /a/ but not you. Great post.
>force yourself to eat shit
You're exactly the type of person I was thinking of. There's like fifty new anime every season. If you really can't find even ten anime a season you enjoy, and if you actually believe that people are forcing themselves to watch shit they don't enjoy (instead of, you know, watching it because they actually like them), you're probably not really an anime fan and should stop trying to force yourself to like anime when it's clearly not working.
There's a hundred of metalcore albums and tons of capeshit movies coming out every year and only a small number are actually worth your time
Also some people have higher standards and after watching enough they are more capable of deducing what is worthwhile or not
People forcing themselves to watch shit they don't enjoy does happen, though. Back in my not-quite-NEET-but-not-far-off-it days I watched some utterly terrible anime. Often in their entirety. For simple lack of anything better to do.
I refuse to have my powerlevel questioned by a faggot who considers 90s anime "old anime".
I'm pretty sure I own VHS tapes that are older than you.
>There's like fifty new anime every season
Yeah, a rushed VN adaptation, a shitty LN adaptation, obligatory waifubait, a shitty kyoani show, mecha shit, cute girls stuff, cute girls with guns show, awful unfunny comedy, cheesy high school drama, new or ongoing shounenshit and 5 actually decent looking shows from which 3 or 4 will suck
Wow,so much great stuff to watch!
Probably around 200-300. I've only finished around 65 shows so far.
I'm trying my best!
>worth your time
See, this right here is the problem. People treat anime like some sort of investment rather than as an actual hobby. Why do you watch anime? To enjoy yourself, right? You decide for yourself how much you enjoy something. You can enjoy any anime if you want to.
It's a shame that so many people get caught up in having "superior tastes" so they can show off on an anonymous image board. They're afraid of being looked down on for liking things, but when they dislike something, who can say otherwise? I bet this is how the whole "/v/ hates video games" thing started.
tip: there are no veterans on /a/
the true veterans? the absolute oldfags? they only talk to each other
because nobody else is really on their level so it's just a waste of time to them to talk to people with lower power levels
that's just how it is
Like it or not, something made in the 90s is old now. It's not like something being old means it's automatically not worth watching. It can be hard to accept something you remember being new being old, believe me I understand that, but we can't run away from the reality.
The end of the 90s was 16 years and some change ago now. Sure that's not old when you think in terms of, say, the silent era of cinema. But something more than 15 years old can't really be called new.
You have to score at least 50%+1 in those "guess the name of the anime by the opening" tests that have been posted here before.
In my imagination veterans are always old because they have years of experience with one thing.
Then again I know a 20 year old guy who's watched every anime out there because he's a shut-in autist
No. Some of it is really obscure. As in, lost longer than anyone on /a/ has been alive, only shown once at places nobody here was, only available to citizens of certain countries, etc.
Dunno about you, but I'm spending time watching stuff I enjoy watching. For all we oldfags complain about how much shit there is each season, I've always found enough that's entertaining enough to be worth my time watching. Sometimes it's something really well-made and thought-provoking, sometimes it's pure guilty pleasure, often it's somewhere in between. And there's always stuff from years gone by to discover or re-watch.
Yeah. There's a ton of stuff from the early days of the Japanese animation industry that's simply lost to time, that no-one who wasn't in Japan in the 60s could possibly have seen.
I've only watched 400+ and still feels like too little personally.
>Cool story kiddo
Just the other day I was looking for something up on the attic and found a Robotech VHS tape dating from the late 80s and a yuri manga by the guy who made Gantz that I bought in Italy some 15 years ago.
They might not be older than you, but they're certainly older than the average person on this board.
>Tier 5 Long-Standing Anime Obsession
>Anyone at this level is already obsessed, and has probably been watching anime for a number of years.
>a number of years
How few years are we talking about? Because
>viewers will actively seek out older shows that time has completely forgotten
Doesn't sound like a tier 5 thing. It didn't take that many years until I had already exhausted what the past had to offer. You wouldn't expect someone at tier 5 to actually have a backlog, would you?
Is this bait/ a joke?
Sayonara Zetsubuo Sensei doesn't belong where it is. Let alone Serial Experiments Lain, EoE, and definitely Jin-Roh.
Those are all relatively popular, and that's just skimming through that.
>said the casual
There are things called VN, LN, Manga, JRPGs and studying japanese, so wasting 1-2 hours every day on shows you don't even enjoy is a complete waste of time that results in you being exhausted.
You anime only plebs are the true casuals, no matter how much anime you watch.
This is a bait thread. When I'd watched 30 or so series in 2009 and I didn't feel the need to tell all the people who believed I hadn't watched enough shows that they were wrong. I just lurked. It takes a special kind of autism to come to a new board and expect everyone to change for you
>got into anime relatively late in life
>started lurking on /a/ after having watched <10 shows
>that was four years ago
>ive now watched 319 series/movies and read over two dozen mangas
>two dozen mangas
Are you implying that's a lot?
I'm implying that you're probably one of those people who finger their assholes while they masturbate.
If we take the "10,000 hours to master anything" approach then around 550 series should be sufficient.
>On /mu/, it's 267 albums
Fucking christ, it is not. I've listened to 1000 albums according to last.fm, and I have hardly been going out of my way to listen to new music lately.
But then again, /mu/ is so fucking shit at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if 267 was above average for the average /mu/tant.
what is the purpose of counting albums or anime watched? can't think of any practical application of documenting this unless it's an attempt to impress someone else with "i've seen / heared xxx things, isn't that cool?"
I've seen around 250 and don't feel like a veteran, I am still an anime newb. I have seen enough popular stuff to know basic history and hold decent discussions, but still a lot to learn too.
I never share my last.fm or mal with anybody, but it's nice to have. I personally find it fun looking back at what I've listened to throughout the years, how my tastes have changed etc. And for mal, it's a great tool for easily keeping track of what you're watching and what's coming out, as well as finding everything related to a franchise.
But yes, socializing with any of them is a fucking retarded thing to do. If you can't enjoy a medium without the acceptance of others, you're an insecure fuck who needs to become an hero.
Only if you watch a lot of seasonal anime, it pads out your numbers. 250 shows or manga of only old shows and modern classics will seem like a lot more than 250 shows if you keep up with what's popular each season, a lot of which will be forgotten.
How do we keep getting faggots like this.
I watch what I like. People who force themselves to follow multiple shows every season have severe autism. This is entertainment. Maybe invest that effort into a skill and you won't be a NEET anymore.
I hadn't seen Konosuba, but as you said that I checked it out and oh my jesus. I haven't laughed at an anime like that for a long time; Hits me right on the head of the nail. Especially towards the more recent episodes like 4-5. Cheers for that one f a m. Don't kill yourself.
Jesus christ that's nothing. It shouldnt be a solid number like that. I've listened to few thousand albums but can only recall under 100 of them due to just shuffling my library with different discographies
4chan really is underage
What idiot put Kill la Kill in tier 2? Even I know it's tier 1.
I have started and stopped watching prematurely over a hundred animes finishing maybe two dozen. I think to get /a/'s approval it'd be more about what you've watched but what care what /a/ thinks because /a/ has shit taste in anime.
>Cite Kyoani as the best studio
I'll admit, I laughed
How's my experience rate /a/? Half circle for partial inclusion or at least one cour watched, underlined for completed.
The fact that you didn't finish Samurai Flamenco lets me know you have shit taste regardless of ho much you watched and the fact you didn't finish lain but finished precure lets me know you pretend to like deep thinkgs but don't
>Early-2000s shows you've never seen anyone mention
>90s shows you've never seen anyone mention
You're only allowed to circle these if you've looked up those anime on the archives and found zero results.
>Uncle was huge into importing VHS's.
Wait, your uncle was a weeb?