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Finally! A Gundam series which correctly depicts Zeon as the good guys protecting Spacenoids from the villainous bloodthirsty Federation.
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These were the only real good guys in Gundam.
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>>137497261
I'll wait for english subs.
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>>137497261
>Zeon
>Good
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>Zeon
>good guys
>Gas an entire colony and dropping it on Earth

But in this show's case:
>Create machines that are literal war demons, piloted by amputees
>Chop off a guy's only remaining limb just to complete the synchronization, even if it means the guy has no future but war left
>Killing children without remorse
>Extremely misogynistic towards their own female officers and scientists

Zeon a shit.
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Oh this should be a treat, /a/ attempting to discuss Gundam agian. How long before everyone falls back on the "it's all shit" philosophy? 50 posts? 10?
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>>137497544
0079 had terrible shitty animation and bad fights.
Zeta has awful Tomino dialogue and characters doing stupid things everywhere.
Zeta ANT same thing there except we now got new animated scenes tucked next to old ones
ZZ is pants on head retarded, also not canon.
CCA has Quess being an irritating cunt and a bullshit ending.
0080 is muh hijacking operation mecha shit #9999999
0083 has Nina being a backstabbing cunt and is shit outside of the animation.
08th MS Team has muh Romeo and Juliet and a Ball being invincible for no reason. Fucking plot armor.
Unicorn is Zeon apologism everywhere and stupid Newtype bullshit also muh box.
F91 is just 0079 rehashed.
Victory is muh dead wimmenz.
G is awful super robot bullshit.
Wing is shitty teenage garbage.
X is muh Oldtype wank and shitty rehashed Wing reject designs.
Turn-A is boring as fuck and Loran being the first useless pacifist cuntbag.
Turn-A Movies managed to make it even more boring
SEED is teenage drama fujoshit.
SEED HD Remaster choir boy manages to run into a sword
Destiny is teenage-ier, drama-ier fujoshit.
00 is autistic lead pilots and the worst second season of anything ever.
AGE is everything wrong with all of the above and more besides.
G-Reco? More like "gee, I wish I'd watched anything other than this".

And now IBO is even more shit.

why do you like Gundam garbage?
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>>137497632

I'm not even mad about all those opinions you posted except

>IBO is even more shit

IBO is one of the best series in the franchise. The fact that its getting an S2 automatically places it in top 10, above G-reco. The fact that its better than any series that ran on Toonami places it in top 5. The fact that its written mainly by an actual talented female writer and not Tomino places it in top 3 contention, alongside 00 Gundam and Unicorn.
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>>137497747
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>>137497747

>falling for copypasta
>saying that IBO is one of the best in the franchise

Honestly don't know who is baiting who anymore.
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>>137497261
Dubs when?
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>>137497491
>>137497482
Space jews did nuthin wrong. Protect the motherland of space!
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>>137497632
Nice pasta, now kill yourself.
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>>137497261
>Implying All Federation solider are blood thirsty Douche bags
>implying zeon never did anything worng
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>>137497261
Can I watch this without any prior Gundam experience ? It looks cool
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>>137497261
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>>137497632
Kinda telling that you have to get a single trait for each show that is bad, and it's a different trait each time. Basically each series is great except for these flaws.

Except for Wing, that is still garbage.
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>>137497632
>this copy pasta
Never gets old, especially with the made up shit with 00, G-Reco, and Wing.
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>>137497261
Threadly reminder.
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OST when
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>>137497632
>yfw they deliberately avoided talking shit about Build Fighters in this pasta
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>>137500580
GBF is garbage too save for Rinko
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>>137500580

Toy commercials for children don't count.
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>>137500631
What do you think gundam tv series are?
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>>137500675
Well, G-reco certainly was.
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>>137500675

A political war drama, which is what IBO gets right.
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>>137500580
I'm still mad Fumina wasn't the real MC in the second one
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>>137497491
>Gas an entire colony and dropping it on Earth
Why is this such a big deal, anyways? Just because Zeon are spacenoids fighting for the freedom of spacenoids doesn't mean they can't fight against spacenoids that serve their own oppressors. That's how it always worked in the real life as well.

When the Americans fought for their freedom and independence from the British oppression, they didn't just fight the soldiers from Britain. They also fought against the locals who stayed loyal to their oppressors, the proto-Canadian "Loyalists".
When the French Resistance fought against Nazis occupying their country, they didn't just fight against the Germans, they also fought against Vichy France and local quislings, Frenchmen serving the Germans.
Right now Daesh is fighting a noble war to protect Islam from Western and Russian imperialists, but at the same time they're fighting other "muslims", since those "muslims" would rather serve infidels like Assad than follow the teachings of their religion.

Local traitors and collaborators have always existed and they will always exist. No one likes fighting against their fellow compatriots, but what else can you do? You can't just leave them be.
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>>137500761
>hating based Assad
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>>137500761
Dumb sakuraposter
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>>137500761
>what's wrong with dropping colonies on earth?
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>>137500254
All of that is true, but there were slum colonies like Shangri-La and most of the colony settlers were there for economic reasons. No frontiersmen had options back home. You leave everything you know and love for the unknown because you need money.

By the time of the OYW though, the new frontier was settled. Earth was dependent on the colonies economically. Spacenoid independence was not unlike the US colonies rebelling against the British. There was really nothing gained from being part of the empire, only losses due to taxes and resources being sent across the ocean. Dougram conveyed this much better.
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>>137500675
G-Reco was for adults, hence the late night slot. Seed, Destiny, and 00 have the same demographic to this day as adult Wing fans: teenagers and young adults. AGE was the kickstart back into trying to get the post-toddler to middle school aged kids interested in the franchise again.
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>>137499980
That is legit horrifying. I really need to watch Thunderbolt.
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>>137500761
>what's wrong with killing civilians and then dropping their home on other civilians and destroying huge areas of land
>despite also proclaiming that the earth must be preserved
Fucking tripfags.
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>>137501660
Whoops, looks like it was already posted >>137500254
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>>137501655
Now imagine this a thousand times over and know what the regular Zeek MS pilot felt when the White Devil was coming for them.
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>>137500254
Clearly zeon was forced to kill sides 1-3 due to not being able to feed them. The feds bombed their supply lines, with barely enough food to feed their troops a quick death via nerve gas was the more humane option. Degwin did nothing wrong, space-racewar now.
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>>137500978
Zeon was Imperial Japan. Same rhetoric about "a free Asia" from western influence, playing off of a "Pan-Asian" identity and superiority, but all they cared about was an Asia under Japanese influence. They declare they're going to free Asia, but the first thing they do is go marching into other Asian countries to rule them themselves. They barge into a country, take it over, and begin instigating laws to make the other Asian people's second class citizens in their own damn countries.

http://gundam.aeug.org/archives/1999/01/1156.html
While it's of course not canon, read what the original plans for Gundam were. Even with what's left in the show, it's clear what Zeon and its war mongering was meant to be.
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>tfw new UC gundam
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I can't believe no one's talking about this show, subs have been out for days and this is the only thread I've seen.
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>>137501983
https://youtu.be/g3aFPN2dEOA?t=7m24s
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>>137500254
>>137501660
No matter how many times you post that screencap it's not going to magically become true. Colonies were literally oppressed. They literally had no representation in the Federation government. They were literally forced to leave Earth and settle in space. This was all clearly established in the anime and is not up to discussion.
You can't handwave these arguments away by saying "Oh, it's just old people being nostalgic about their youth on Earth, you can't trust what they say." or "Oh, Earthnoids weren't actually superior, everyone just thought they were." when you can't really provide any actual proof for these statements.
Sure, the methods Zeon used were questionable at times, but you have to remember that they were fighting against an enemy that was industrially, economically, militarily, and population-wise more than ten times stronger. If they fought "fairly", it wouldn't have been a One Year War, it would have been a One Week War.
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>>137502008
>he thinks gundam is worth discussion toys aside
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>>137501924
>Zeon was Imperial Japan.
Incorrect; Zeon is an amalgamation by Tomino of the Axis powers which means not just the Empire of Japan but also Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Which is really obvious given how the Zabi family was written too.

>>137502148
Side 3 was already fully independent of Earth a full decade before the OYW.
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>>137501924
>implying Zeon isn't simply Israel
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>>137502148
>They had no representation in the federation government
But wasn't zeon deikun a representative?
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>>137502008
/a/ doesn't care all that much about Gundam, IBO can barely keep a thread going with shitposting and shipfagotery.
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>>137502327
Side 3 was recognized as politically independent so that the Federation could impose a trade embargo on a "hostile foreign power" instead of on its "own people". It was never economically independent as the Federation's entire strategy was to starve it into submission and force them to surrender their independence without a shooting war.
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>>137499980
Is this the first time we ever see a first person gundam fight? It's fucking awesome.
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>>137502377
Most Zeon apologists are the same kind of people that believe the US was being horribly oppressed by Britain back in the day. People who buy into propaganda without so much as a critical thought applied to the how or why.
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>>137502455
Side 3 was recognized as independent as soon as they held a public referendums and sent them to the EF. The embargoes only happened AFTER Side 3 became both independent and started stirring up anti Earthnoid sentiments and sponsoring terrorist actives on Side1 and Side 4.
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>>137502148
Yes and they were perfectly fine going independent. The problem is when they started shitting themselves because earth stopped sending support when they weren't part of the federation anymore, so they started dropping colonies on earth and committing genocide.
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>>137502008
>subs have been out for days
News to me, thanks for the heads up anon.
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>>137497632
Maybe you should just stop watching gundam cause it seems like you just don't like gundam.
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>>137502549

You call it terrorism, I call it spacenoid rights activism.
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>>137497632

Pretty much /m/ the post.
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>>137502549
Literally none of the lore suggests that the Federation ever intended to treat Side 3 as a long-term rival. Zeon Daikun's populist movement threatened Federation interests throughout the Sphere, and more Sides joining Zeon and gaining true independence would cut off the Federation's means of dumping excess population into space and off Earth. That simply couldn't be allowed to happen. It was a matter of mere weeks between the Federation "recognizing" Side 3 and the beginning of the economic sanctions.
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>>137501723
Now imagine that scene from Thunderbolt but with 0079 animation quality
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>>137502008
>>137502698
The subs are an awful machine translation of spanish subs. Lot of people waiting on the official ones
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>>137502148
>Genocide is totally okay, guys!
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>>137502986
>murder innocent fellow spacenoids and neutral civilians to stir up anti-Earthnoid rhetoric
>"It's not terrorism"
Yeah sure thing dude.

>>137503068
None of the lore suggests in the main canon (anime TV series, movies, and sequel side stories) that the Earth Federation is some cartoonishly evil mustache twirling anti-Spacenoid organization. Funnily enough though the Tomino's MSG novels and both the Original manga and anime OVA (both which are adaptions of his story made to fit better with the actual anime continuity) portray Zeon as always being crazy and even Char's dad as being a lunatic.

And no, once again embargo only started once Side 3 started more or less sponsoring anti-Earth antics and terrorists which is then when the Federations gets heavy handed in response.
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>>137503211
>None of the main canon suggests the Earth federation is cartoonishly evil
Zeta, ZZ, 8th MS team
>Char's dad is a lunatic
That's up to interpretation, he certainly seemed crazy but it's acknowledged by the wife that he wasn't always crazy, my interpretation is that he is heavily stressed by the political circumstances of the Origin period
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>>137503211
>murder innocent fellow spacenoids
To bring this back around to the anime at hand, the federation soldiers in Thunderbolt are all Spacenoids themselves. They're the survivors of Zeon's attack on their Side. Even when some grouse about the nobility of their Side, not a single one has any thoughts about what role Earth and the Federation may have played in their Side's misfortune. All their thoughts and hate are directed upon Zeon for destroying their colony and on the higher ups of their colony who let it happen.

Even if Zeon's civilian targeted war crimes were in any way justifiable, and they're not which is why the serious supporters in this thread dance around it and try to talk about how bad the Federation was, all their actions did was drive their "fellow" Spacenoids to ally with the Federation for survival and revenge. Worse than evil, Zeon was incompetent in their political goals. If those ever really were their goals in the first place, considering all their actions seem more in line with ruling everything and killing everyone when it's the least bit convenient in the short term.
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>Tomino makes Zeon unequivocal bad guys
>The point is to show both sides of a war but also that there were people in charge of Zeon that approved terrible things
>This gets warped years later by multiple spinoffs and general toy popularity into ZEON DID NOTHING WRONG
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I think this needs to be said, the pro-zeon side of this thread is focusing on the people of zeon and their urge for freedom, while the anti-zeon side is focusing on the leadership of zeon and their urge for power. Both sides just say "Zeon" though.
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>>137503490
>Zeta
Not relevant to 0079.
>ZZ
Not canon.
>08th MS Team
Side material and still not a main series.
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>>137503504
>all their actions did was drive their "fellow" Spacenoids to ally with the Federation for survival and revenge

Greedy people bunch together. Look at what happened after the fall of Zeon. The colonies waged war on each other for supremacy. The fact is Zeon is the only true force of good in Gundam.
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>>137502148
>They were literally forced
>to genocide half of mankind

Zeon a shit, deal with it.
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>>137503791
>Main canon (anime TV series, movies, and sequel side stories)
>8th MS Team is a side story that takes place in the one year war
You know, the main canon has been expanded. You can't just say "ignore this because it doesn't fit my argument", you're fucking see-through.
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>>137504105

They were sympathizers and collaborators of a corrupt empire preventing the evolution of mankind. They had to be dealt with.
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>>137503490
I meant that in the original Gundam (0079)'s both TV series and animated film compilations, nothing suggested or is shown the Federation is oppressing colonists. All other original side material before Origins and later retcons presented in omnscient narratives from guide books and databooks state tensions only got raised because Side 3 colonies under the Zabis and even before them under Char's dad were causing issues on Earth itself as well as more loyal colonies.

>>137504131
Only "true" canon is animated material according to Sunrise. That said, re-read my post.
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>>137503490
>8th MS Team cartoonishly evil
>Only one corrupt feddie is shown at all
Talking about biased
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>>137504131
>hehehe let's use our own EFF suits and pilots as living nuclear bombs
Literally all the anti-EFF backlash is from side material presented in 08th MS Team, Unicorn, and Origins.
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I don't understand how anybody can justify Zeon gassing their own citizens

Like, what the fuck?
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>>137504208
That "one corrupt feddie" is the highest ranked feddie in the show.

>>137504175
Ok you've made it more clear, you specifically mean 0079 material. No amount of re-reading the original post will make that more clear, you made it clear in this one though.

>The only true canon is animated material according to sunrise
Now it's time for you to re-read my post, but this time take off your ZZ meme glasses because I wasn't responding to "ZZ is not canon"
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>>137504208
If someone's take away from 08th MS Team is that the Federation was cartoonishly evil, then they're a moron.

The Federation brass is portrayed as not so squeaky clean, but Zeon doesn't come out any better either. Both sides are shown to attack medical carriers, civilians, and their own allies, either in their own war mongering, the fog of war, or because they've taken the one way train to crazy town (which really tells you all you need to know about how good Zeon is at vetting it's important leaders). Shirou is the only one who gives conscious thought to how the enemy should be treated, even if, as he states himself, they must be defeated militarily. And this is after he had a front row seat to Zeon gassing civilians.

The underlying theme of 08th is that war and conflict is sometimes unavoidable, but there's never a justification for the shitty treatment of the people involved. The Federation doesn't come off well in 08th, but it's just as much a condemnation of Zeon, if not more so considering Zeon are still the invaders, still the one making super weapons to kill everyone, still gassing people, and there's all of the rest of the UC material to consider. Because no matter what Zeon was fighting for, their actions have no excuse.
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>Thunderbolt threads never actually talk about Thunderbolt
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>>137499980
That scene was so good. It really encapsulated the terror the zeeks must have felt when they saw the White Devil.
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>>137504564

Shirou is a spacenoid. Spacenoids are the only true heroes in Gundam.
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>>137504564
>If someones takeaway is federation is evil, they're a moron
>Then goes onto to say the federation doesn't come off well

That's what i'm saying, just like Zeon is considered evil for their leadership, the federation in 8th has a similarly rotten leadership. I didn't touch in zeon in 8th because it doesn't matter how they're presented (and yes, zeon in 8th sucks too, i never said otherwise)
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>>137504499
Except he's supported by his equals and peers in the Federation military until the end of the story where he gets arrested. Its really the non-Tomino side stories which glorify Zeon and playdown the Federation that the latter gets villanized even during the OYW.
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>>137504731
There's only two episodes out, one of which hasn't been properly translated yet.

And no one reads the manga, even though it's quite interesting and the villains of the second arc are fucking evil theocratic Buddhists.
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>>137502008
try /m/
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>>137504781

Zeonic loyalists fight a battle of noble ideals, and believe in them so dearly that they would give their very lives. The Feddies are literally throwing away lives to protect dirt that they happen to own. Literal dirt.
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>>137503582
Meme roleplaying aside, no one is seriously arguing that Zeon did nothing wrong. But stuff like >>137500254 is ridiculous feddiewanking that makes it look like Federation literally did nothing wrong. Yeah yeah, Zeon wiped out most of humanity, killed civilians, dropped colonies, even the biggest zeekfag admits these things happened, even if he tries to justify it one way or another.
But on the other side you have feddiewankers who literally deny that Federation did anything wrong, that Federation forced most of humanity into space, that Federation was dominated by elites, that Federation was corrupt, that in the Federation the relatively few earthnoids had disproportional political power compared to the much more numerous spacenoids, etc.
I mean, seriously. "PERCEIVED CULTURAL BELIEF"? Go fuck yourself dude.
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>>137504781
>removes "cartoonishly"
Come on anon, it's right in the post. The Federation isn't cartoonishly evil, they're morally grey overall with a few individuals, such as that one leader ordering a sniper to fire on evacuating wounded, being pretty immoral. Zeon also escapes cartoonish evil in this story, because there's really only the crazy scientist, who's actually mentally deranged and not just a saturday morning cartoon villain. It has it's own share of immoral actors or people who look the other way when such actions are taken or simply don't care enough to truly look at what's being done by their side.

Again, the take away isn't that somehow this justifies anything Zeon did. On the contrary, it's a condemnation of the thought that "as long as Zeon is 'fighting for freedom,' as long as the Federation itself is bad, everything Zeon does to people is good." It isn't. A war can be fought without gassing civilians or thinking of the enemy as lesser beings deserving of being treated as shit.
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>>137503211
>None of the lore suggests in the main canon (anime TV series, movies, and sequel side stories) that the Earth Federation is some cartoonishly evil mustache twirling anti-Spacenoid organization.

0080, 0083, Z, and Unicorn all do. Unicorn is especially damning given that the Federation is so anti-Spacenoid independence that they blew off and retroactively edited their own charter to prevent that from happening for as long as possible, rendering their own existence as a government as de facto illegal. Had Zeon Daikun never been born, it may have perpetuated forever. As things stood, even after the recognition of Side 3 and the later granting recognition of certain other "neutral" Sides, the Federation never treated any of the Sides, neutral or otherwise, as more than vassal states to their own overarching government, and that's in MSG.

There's no painting the Federation in a good light that actual canon doesn't smear by their own actions. Zeon doesn't climb down into that mire until the onset of the OYW, whereas the Federation had been dragging Spacenoids and "undesirables" through shit for decades. No side of the conflict is a paragon of virtue, but presenting the Federation as being anything better than an oppressive Terran Overlord Government is lying to yourself and doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.
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>>137505286
>0080
Not Tomino
>0083
Not Tomino
>Z
This is post 0079.
>Unicorn
Not Tomino.

The rest of your post is addressed here:

>>137503504
>>137503211
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>>137504337
Either they are trying to imitate nazi sympathizers, or they are just as retarded.
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You guys do have to admit the whole Federation are bad guys or "as bad as Zeon was" was mainly put during the OYW era by other writers; primarily authors of LNs, or people who did OVAs like 0080 to Unicorn.

There's a reason why the average Jap identifies more with Zeon then the Federation and why Nips love mono-eyes over visors. Tomino wanted to avoid shit like this. I'm not saying either that the Federation via the Titans didn't do bad shit post-OYW but the majority of shit that makes them out as being equally bad isn't by Tomino's hand.
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For the "glory" of Zeon!
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>>137505956

>it took the work of other writers to do what Tomino was too gutless to do

That is a great thing. Zeon deserved better, and the Feddies deserved nothing.
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>>137505956
ZZ (by Tomino) has the Federation not evil, but certainly incompetent and unwilling to help. Victory and CCA has the elite on Earth willing to sell out the lower classes to save their own skins. Remember that the feds represent post-war Japan, which Tomino doesn't seem too pleased with.

But the Titans are outright evil, they also gas colonies. But they are a breakaway of the Federation that the govt carelessly lets grow, then disowns.
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>>137505956
Dude, Tomino was in charge when the Federation leadership were HAPPY their capital got a colony dropped on it because it would kill a bunch of poor people
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>>137507859

If you're talking about the beginning of CCA, they weren't happy. They just didn't care since the Feddie establishment was prepared to accept the loss of Earth and already started transitioning to the space colonies - which is why most Feddie forces were locking down the colonies rather than stopping Axis. By that point in time, the Earth required more imported goods to sustain than all the colonies combined.
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>>137506978
>Tomino was too gutless
Even for a troll post, this is too much. If there's one thing Tomino is not, it's gutless. Tomino does what Tomino wants, and damn the authorities, the fans, or the guidelines of understandable fiction.
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Is the Origin canon?
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>>137506416
>Zeon
>not the Imperium
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>>137508275
I think he's referring to Dublin in ZZ.
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>>137508562
No, Origins bridges the events of the original TV series/movies of OYW with Tomino's novel version. But its alternate continuity.
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>>137508580
>people arguing for the evolution of mankind into a race of psychics
>The Imperium
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I hate mecha. Will watching gundam change my mind?
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>>137497362
The only /pol/itically correct party in the Gundam Universe. Well, Zanscare comes close.
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>>137508993
no
but the other gundamfags will say yes
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>>137499980
The main reason I've never been able to get into Gundam is how absurd it is for one side to magically create a single model of a weapon that is literally impervious to its contemporaries.

Even the fucking first jet fighter ever employed was occasionally beaten by props that exploited it's disadvantages, but somehow some scientists make a literal super-weapon that auto-wins the entire war while being the equivalent of a single jet logistically.
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>>137509106
How are they any better than Zeon? Zeon at least has got spacenoid rights at heart, the Titans commits as many atrocities as the Principality and in fact exacerbate the sentiments of rebellion among the spacenoids. They create conflict where there could have been none
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>>137509691
How many colonies have the Titans dropped?
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>>137509106
zanscare are femminist with power
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>>137509619
>can't even into suspension of disbelief
Your problem
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Zeon are the bad guys.
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>>137497362
Does A-LAWs count? They were same shit but equally good characters, uniforms, and suits as Titans.
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>>137509619
While the Gundams are degrees better than other suits, the trick is they don't give Gundams to chumps. Sure, Amuro at the start is a bit bull, but look at 0080. A test pilot (not an ace) fights a grunt suit while in an upgraded gundam and the outcome is both suits are destroyed.
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>>137509619
>The main reason I've never been able to get into Gundam is how absurd it is for one side to magically create a single model of a weapon that is literally impervious to its contemporaries.
The later Gundam series do fall into that, but the first series is actually quite the opposite. The Gundam is a superior model, this is true, but it's never untouchable and never assures victory. The pilot also has developing special bullshit psychic powers that tilt the scale more in his favor, and even then he has his shares of failures. Hell, it ultimately didn't even win the war on it's own. The GMs, the full production model built off the Gundam, were what turned the tide in the end and allowed Federation victory, not the Gundam all on its own.

True, the pilot is still an unusually good piloting kid and the Gundam is more effective than one would realistically expect, but in battle and as a factor for overall victory, but the original series made it mark precisely because it often avoided the sort of things it's successors so blindly ended up doing.
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>>137509736
So you don't actually have anything to say?
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>>137509947
>babby mad he got btfo
I'll ask again, how many colonies did the Titans drop?
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>>137509759
Zanscare are not feminists, it's a country ran like a cult.
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>>137509759
>Helga is an alternate universe Katejina

Never thought about that till now.
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Purupurupurupuru
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I tried getting into Turn A Gundam, but it was pretty fucking uninteresting and slowly paced. Iron Blooded Orphans was a big disappointment too, since the whole premise of a bunch of children taking over a military arm and operating independently somehow managed to be more ridiculous than the concept of those same children piloting mechas in the first place.

OP's picture looks good (very reminiscent of eighties shading and textures) and the synopsis sounds neat, but I've been so burnt by Gundam series that I don't know if it's just hype for it or not. >>137499980 looks fucking baller though.
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>>137510032
Which emphasizes the matriarchy. Zanscare is an SJW's wet dream.
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>>137510079
Stick to A/Z
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>>137503068

What about Side 6 though? It declared independence following Side 3, and afterwards pretty much stayed on its own.

There was no Federation conspiracy to take it down or anything. In fact, they end up attacked by Zeon itself due to their unwillingness to help them face the Federation.
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>>137510088
It's just a facade. The queen is a puppet and the real leader is Kagatie.
It's not a matriarchy, it's your usual military dictatorship.
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>>137510221
Not like your average feminist would figure that out. They'll accept anything at face value as long as it looks like they're "in power."
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>there is no Aussie shitposting in the UC
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>>137510146
Did you not watch 0080? Side 6 had a Federation R&D base on it, against Side 6's wishes, which is why it got targeted.
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>>137510008
0, how many did they gas?

Obviously you're prepared for this response, because you know exactly what i mean by atrocities. All you can say is some variance of "Who cares about the colonies"

>>137510342
There totally is, in setting the Australians haven't even noticed the massive crater where Sydney used to be, they care more about the weather
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>>137510079
>watching Turn A first

Are you retarded?
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>>137510342
In 0080 it is revealed that the Zeon accent sounds like an Australian accent.
This shows the true curse of the Universal Century. Aussies were shitposting so hard they accidentally started campaigning for Spacenoid independence and started a war.
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>>137510612
considering Turn A is the best gundam in terms of story and even music, it's not that surprising

>moon.flac
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>>137510956
I agree, but I'd say previous (especially UC) Gundam series are needed to fully appreciate it.
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>>137510982
fair enough

not that guy, but I'd never watched any of the older gundams while growing up, and happened to catch Turn A when I started getting interested in mecha, and it hooked me so hard I ended up looking for more and watched the rest of the franchise

which was mostly a disappointment

obviously just depends on the individual in question, like most things
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>>137510871
That isn't true. The Federation soldier is the Australian, and Bernie is faking his accent to distract the guard by reminiscing about his home.
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>>137510451
>0, how many did they gas?
One, which was terrible. Not comparable however to Zeon's gassing at least one, destroying others, and dropping several.
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>>137511099
I still don't like Turn A on account that most of its mecha designs are goofy as shit. I can deal with a lot of things, but a moustachioed Gundam ain't one of them.
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>>137510612
A friend recommended I start with that one for whatever reason, which was probably a bad idea because it was shitty. Literally the only good part was the delicious brown, and that was few and far between. Maybe I would have liked it more if I had more experience with Gundam and mecha in general, but as an introductory show it fell flat on its face.

What would you recommend as the show newbs should start with?
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>>137511364
00. It's the most accessible out of the new Gundam series. It's not as gay as Wing either.
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>>137511184
You didn't mention the part where the Titans were stopped while attempting to gas colonies several times (apparently they don't share the same sentiment about how terrible it is). And don't forget that these Titans were rousing anti-earth sentiments, creating willing enemies for the next series of wars.

>Zeon=Axis=Neo Zeon
nah brah, they are different. Sure the stock is the same, but the leaders are different and are all using that stock to achieve their own ends. The spacenoids are quite tragic, really, but that's neither here nor there
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>>137499980
This looks awesome.
Do I need to watch some previous gundam series in order to watch this?
I've only watched Wing, Seed/Destiny and 00.
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>>137512009
>not as gay
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>>137497491
To be fair in Thunderbolt everyone is a bunch of cunts.
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>>137504208
The feddies raped Kiki in the novel.
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Zeon being shit doesn't make the Feddies good. Trying to turn Gundam into good guys vs. bad guys robs the series of what makes it so interesting.

The Federation is the lesser evil, but it's still an earthnoid oligarchy which gave rise to the Titans. Zeon had legitimate grievances and it's easy to sympathize with someone like Ramba Ral, but their leadership was outright genocidal.
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>>137500964
>>what's wrong with dropping colonies on earth?
>what's wrong with dropping large numbers of bombs on Tokyo?
>what's wrong with dropping nukes on Hiroshima?
>what's wrong with dropping nukes on Nagasaki?
>what's wrong with dropping a large amount of bombs on Dresden?
Not him, but Earth was a very important strategic military target in the same way that the Axis cities which the Allies bombed to smithereens indiscriminately were.

As much as we'd like to think that the Earth Federation were good guys, they had a lot of cocksucking brutal killers and rapists fighting for them that didn't give a fuck about killing Zeon spacenoids, man.
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>>137512182
Ehhhhhhhhhh, i suppose you could, I mean I think it's important to understand the context of thunderbolt, to know what the battle of A Baoa Qu is and what it means for Thunderbolt. Basically it references the events of the original (0079) so, while it is important it is unnecessary
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>>137512565
That was fucked up bad for sure.
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>>137512565
Amuro dies in the novel because Sayla didn't give him an amulet made of her public hair
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>>137512745
Amuro dies in Char's Counterattack so it doesn't really matter. Probably had something to do with pubic hair amulets too.
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did they carry over that stupid child soldiers plot from the manga to the adaptation? God the manga is such shit.
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>>137512808
I'm not remembering this plot. Do you mean that super early part where the kids join, inspired by amuro, and get destroyed because they're not newtypes? What's so bad about that, the federation knew about amuro and his newtype skills so why wouldn't they try to make more child soldiers? War is war.
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>>137507122
Titans went full retarded.

>special task force to counter spacenoid threat got so elitist and oppressive against own citizens, they got chased away from the Federation, and had to team up with their arch-nemesis to survive in the first place
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>>137512808
Next episode maybe. The manga is pretty good other than that
>>137512886
It just seems like an unnecessary addition to hammer home the point that WAR IS HELL. The author has a real murderboner for that kind of thing
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>>137512886
talking about the thunderbolt manga, and for starters the federation had more than enough pilots, they didn't need children to begin with.

Why do you think professional militaries don't use children, hell if anything child soldiers are a sign of desperation.
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>>137512898
>special task force that got so oppressive it created an anti-earth faction despite the fact Axis already existed
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>>137512898
Well such things happen in real life.
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>>137512970
Yeah but Amuro was straight up wrecking. Look at it like a super early and basic version of cyber newtypes (which were, funnily enough, and attempt by professional militaries to use children).
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I take it if I want space politics I shouldn't watch gundam, how's LoGH?
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>>137512929
>>137512970
I wonder if people forgot IGLOO? Or just didn't watch it?

It had the same plot point about a lack of qualified pilots on both sides by this point of the war.
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>>137509619
>how absurd it is for one side to magically create a single model of a weapon that is literally impervious to its contemporaries.


RX-78-2 is literally the fourth MS in the RX series, they didn't just "magically" create it out of nothing, they had all the data from the guntank, guncannon, and 78-1 to build on and you can even see the iteration and deviation from design to design. It's the same way the iconic Zaku 2 was developed from the Zaku 1.

Amuro's success as a pilot had less to do with the MS itself and more his skill as a newtype, it's the very reason they ended up developing the Alex and the Nu gundam specifically for him.

That statement doesn't apply to many of the other series either though.

The X was mass produced and therefore not a single model weapon.
The Freedom gets shit on by the Aegis and the Destiny which are both it's contemporaries.
The Strike isn't as effective when used by people not names Kira.
Wing is so bad it's forced to self destruct twice.
RX-79 was mass produced, also gets shit on, same with Ez-8.
The entire GP line ends up getting destroyed and ends up fucking over the people that made it rather than winning any wars.
The only series where that statement is somewhat true is 00 which was only until the enemies got fake GN drives, and Turn A where the Turn A is legit fucking magic moon race bullshit that doesn't have to explain itself.
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>>137513122
Yes, just do it already.
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>>137509943
Yet The White devil rekted its way across zeon territory. True it wasn't a super broken Mobile Suit like the Unicorn, but it was a top of the line model that was still great at the end of the war. Even at the battle of A boa Qu Amuro was the first person to break through zeons forces and land. That's pretty good considering he was against an armada. The Gundam along with Amuro was what made it so powerful.

Plus its design is pure sex....
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>>137512898
>>137512983
>>137513027

The Titans at its foundation core is a counter-insurgency task force which should operate akin to special forces. But its core problem is it was developed as part of a conspiracy by figures rooted in the military industrial complex to restart hostilities between Earth and space, and was led by aggressive militant commanders who were given blank checks by said figures.

So you have a caricature of a special forces unit which has gone wildly out of control, with no systematic checks in place to deal with it. The underlying theme of Z is a constant need for vigilance in the face of everchanging times - and in Tomino's lore, the Federation adopted this stance going forward for around half a century until the end of the Crossbone Vanguard, when the Federation began its rapid deterioration.
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>>137514190
The original RX-79-2 was a blocky piece of shit though, animating it must have been a pain in the ass.
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>>137499980
Zaku VR cockpit when
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>>137514620
But it's so sexy though.
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>>137502327
>Zeon is an amalgamation by Tomino of the Axis powers

So who was Deikun?
Hitler?
He was legitimately right.
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>>137509619
Great, you go and say shit like that and all of fucking /mecha/ is going to come here and shit down our throats for days. Those nerds are fucking violent.
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>>137515289

I wish these fucking nerds would go back to their containment board. At least newer mecha series like Aldnoah Zero and IBO are realistic about this bullshit.
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>>137497261
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>>137516934
Holy shit, I cannot stop laughing!
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>>137497362
Fucking terrorists ruining Stalins plans.
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>>137512898

>people think the Titans gave fuck about the Federation

>What is your objective, Lieutenant Scirocco?
>I believe my duties are to free people whose souls are being pulled by gravity.
>But those are the A. E. U. G.'s objectives.
>Not true.
>While the A. E. U. G.'s making all this fuss in favor of space...
>...they're no different than the people of the Federation.
>They're also bound to the Earth Sphere.
>You seem to have an objection, Jerid.
>Are you implying that you're a Newtype?
>I only sense that times will not change unless I do something about it.
>Nothing more.
>Jamitov converted the Earth Federation Forces to the Titans...
>...to eradicate the people pulled by Earth.
>What?
>By starting a war, he plans to exhaustively force Earth's economy to the brink.
>People on Earth will die of hunger and vanish.
>On the surface, that sounds no different from the A. E. U. G.'s objectives.
>The point is after that.
>The Earth Sphere's fate depends on who rules humanity after the war.
>Don't you agree there'd be a need for a genius to rule the Earth Sphere?
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>>137497491
Well, how would he know about the children anyway. It's just more feddie to fend off.
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>>137500761
>When the French Resistance fought against Nazis occupying their country

>French Resistance
>Not a 60s Hollywood invention

Pfff buahaha
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>>137497632
I love this copypasta
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>>137510079
its fucking shit
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>>137517903
To make claims about how you're the man fit to rule, and thus save, the Earth Sphere, at the very least you need to be capable of doing one thing, and that's seizing power. Evidently Scirocco was not that man. Also the Earth just kept spinning on, as we've seen from later entries in the UC timeline
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>>137497632
Mobile Suit Gundam is still hands-down the most compelling anime of all time. While NGE tries to replicate the complexity of war through the eyes of a child, Gundam embodies it in a remarkable tale for the ages.

Coupled with top-notch animation and a futurisitc yet realistic setting, one could see the parallels and future in our society when compared to theirs.

Characters are not painted as black and white, but as complex unions of character traits. Controversy even arises in calling the Federation the "Heroes" of the story, as moral grey areas arise for both factions.

Truly the most riveting anime, one which cannot be replicated.
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>>137500580
Because GBF is actually good.
Try is shit though. Chicken how are you! Enjoy your Try PTSD.
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>>137502008
It's UC, most of /a/ won't watch the old stuff.
Wait until Butcher writes an AU Gundam, it will be glorious and /a/ will be become Gund/a/m.
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>>137512155
You do know that during OYW mass G3 Gassing happen? Zeon wipe out a SIDE. one side consist of multiple colony and that happen in the opening month of OYW.

Titans gas one colony and convert one into a giant space laser. They became the demon they are because of fucking Zeeks in the first place.
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>>137521714
>It's UC, most of /a/ won't watch the old stuff.
People here only talk about UC.
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>>137517903
Of course
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Another mecha series? I guess the 10 to the trillionth power we already had wasn't cutting it.
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The one moment that make me salute the Federation was during Victory when they decided to fight even with limited sources than curled up and die like cowards.

Even with economic disaster they still have enough energy to muster up enough forces for the decisive battle for Mankind
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>>137509106
Zanscare were space Bolsheviks if they actually used Anastasia of Romanovs as their puppet.
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>>137503090
This.
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>>137497261
>this is what space nazi actually believe
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>>137521917
Post the CCA one where Amuro and Char survive
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Newtypes have to be the most retarded mcguffin ever concieved.
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>>137515124
Deikun and Degwin were more like Lenin and Stalin.
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>>137524064
Theyre there only to reuse old characters and plots, have existential monologues about muh feelings, and an excuse to have a floating ghost person say their final farewells to every important character when they get killed off.
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>>137512929
>The manga is pretty good
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>>137499885
You can, more or less. It's part of Gundam's greater continuity, but Thunderbolt still feels mostly self-contained. If you know the basics of UC Gundam, you should be alright.
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>>137524151
Thing is that Jamitov is the Stalin of UC.
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>>137524232
Yeah but the way Degwin Zabi took over when Zeon Deikun died was so blood Stalin like. The guy just wormed himself into power without being nothing but higher up in the party.
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