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What would you guys say was Satoshi Kon's best project?
http://strawpoll.me/6816221

Planning on watching Millenium Actress for the first time tonight. I've seen every Kon work aside from this so I'll have my mind made up by tonight.
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>>137438392
I can't bring myself to pick one.
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>>137438392
Paprika
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>>137438392
>What would you guys say was Satoshi Kon's best project?
His life.
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They're all amazing.

Paranoia Agent is my favourite anime.

A lot of people on here seem to dislike Paprika in comparison to his other films but I don't know why. Paprika is amazing.
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I liked Perfect Blue the best, I think. Paranoia Agent didn't do it for me at all.

He only wrote it, but Magnetic Rose is a staggering piece of work as well
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>>137438922
Kon fans get mad when people just say Paprika because it gives the impression that Paprika's the only Kon work that they've seen.
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>>137438392
Patlabor

Fucking newfags
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Too hard to pick. Kon was an absolute fucking genius and its a shame we lost him so soon.
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>>137439116
He only worked as an assistant on the second Patlabor movie, which was directed by Mamoru Oshii. Dumbass.
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Milennium Actress - Best visual direction, ok characters and story
Tokyo Godfathers - Best characters, ok story, good visual direction
Perfect Blue - best balance of story, characters and visuals (all great)

Gonna rewatch Paprika today with my dad.
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>>137439223
That's what you think before you look up for Headgear.
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>no manga
What a shitty poll.
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>>137438922
Paprika has a bad story.
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Tokyo Godfathers.


I say that we did not see Kon's best work.

he died too at the age when Miyazaki made Nausicaä.
So we didn't see anything sadly.

rest in peace
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Kon died at the age of 47.

Miyazaki made Nauscaä at the age of 47.


We have only seen Kon's early works.

It's a shame we will never see his masterpiece.
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Paprika was his best directional work.
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Hard to say, but I rewatch Tokyo Godfathers every Christmas.
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>>137439839
>>137439878
We can't know that. Oshii made his best work when he was 34.
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I actually happen to own a paperback version of his first work - "Kaikisen". That was a really impressive one.
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Either Paranoia Agent or Tokyo Godfathers.

Special mention for Perfect Blue.
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>>137440241
No shit? Can you upload it?
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>>137440301
It is in Russian. So I guess the translation is needed.
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>>137438922
Paprika is all visuals and little substance, especially compared to his previous works
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>>137440600
The plot was serviceable, but the animation's definitely what they wanted to have fun with.

Also Susumu Hirasawa needs to do more anime.
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MA made the biggest impact on me but they're all great.
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>>137440780
Best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJY1TomgkBs
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>>137440301
It's already been scanlated to English years ago.
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Does Memories count? If so, Magnetic Rose.
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>>137438392
>strawpoll

Fuck off, that shit doesn't work
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>>137441218
Actually it's working now.
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>>137440600
So just like Millennium Actress?
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>tfw my friends said to me "when his next movie ?"
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>>137441505
Don't play retard, you know why that shit doesn't work.
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>>137440845
I can never get enough susumu hirasawa.
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>>137438392
That's a tough call, OP. All I can say is that I think Paprika is his weakest work, and it's not as a result of anything he was responsible for.
Everything he did is worth watching.
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Every Kon work had something great and unique to offer. It's too difficult to say if one's better than the other.
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>>137440845
That's not this:
https://youtu.be/GYyqpxnmIcE
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>only 3 votes for Paranoia Agent
Fucking why?
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>>137439839
tokyo godfathers is shit sorry
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>>137448331
It's by far the most inconsistent out of all of them.
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>>137448388
You're shit.
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>>137448406
How so!
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>>137448331
It's a series so it's less dense and will have a less focused emotional impact. People will reach for the memory of the strongest emotional response a work evoked.
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>>137440780
It's like the perception of reality and not animation was the medium that Kon really worked in.
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>>137440845
>>137447864
Good lord Hirasawa is a fucking god. I dunno why but I've always felt his style would work perfect for a Cyberpunk work of fiction. What's the latest Hirasawa has done?
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>>137448797
Some episodes are amazing, so are pretty weak.
It's more deeply rooted in Japanese culture which lessens its appeal.
Lots of people hate the ending.
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>>137448331
I loved paranoia agent, but I loved paparika more
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>>137450429
I feel like a lot of the overarching ideas of Paranoia Agent were refined a lot and put into Paparika.
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The thing that bothers me about Paprika is that this was a better treatment of the same concept.
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>>137439642
Just watched it and I had the same reflections as last time. I don't think it's problem is style over substance, it's story over substance. It allows itself to create an elaborate story but it doesn't give it either thematic depth or more depth to the characters. Despite literally revealing the characters subconscious thoughts.

The animation was probably the best though, not talkinga bout visual direction in general, just the the animation spefically.
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>>137450202
He had a new album last year or something. But you can just continue to jerk to his live videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwZTl5-7VYk
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>>137439642
Watching anime with your father, I wish my dad was that cool
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>>137448331
Honestly I havent gotten around to it yet, so much anime, so little time
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>>137438392
Perfect Blue literally has it's review in the title
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>>137441218
Kill yourself, OP had a good idea
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>>137438392
Millennium actress is actually my favorite by a high margin. Not that I don't like the others, it's just that good. Definitely his best.
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>>137452091
Please don't post frog shit on /a/, or in a Satoshi Kon thread no less.
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>>137452183
I just watched Perfect Blue for the first time recently and it was fucking incredible. I gotta watch it again.
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OP here. I'm excited to see how many people ITT love Millenium Actress. It makes me much more excited to watch it when I get home tonight.
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Here is his one minute entry for Ani*Kuri 15, Good Morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCs1V6AlPP8

There's not much you can do to tell a complete story in a minute, but it's absolutely beautiful and it captures waking up hungover and pulling yourself together at the start of the day.
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>>137438392
I'm surprised to see Tokyo Godfathers so low
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Was it ever confirmed that perfect blue was inspired by the murder of Selena Quintanilla-Pérez?
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>>137454395
Wait, what the fuck?
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>>137454395
>mfw I just googled the story
Holy fuck, that theory makes a lot of sense based on Perfect Blue's story.
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>>137454395

Wait, really?

Maybe I should watch this.

Selena was a cousin of mine
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>>137455525
>Selena was a cousin of mine
Yeah sure, you and every other Mexican.
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>>137455825

Nah man, I'm a Quintanilla from Kingsville. Her dad's from Corpus Christi. Most Texans with that surname are descended from the King Ranch(Kingsville) Quintanillas, and Kingsville is like less than an hour away from Corpus.

I think my dad also said she's related to the Hernandez side of my family, too, though I've got no idea how. Genealogy's complicated as fuck down here.
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>>137454395
The film was based on a 1991 novel by Yoshikazu Takeuchi and Selena died in 1995 so I don't think she was the direct inspiration. However her death would have been in the news when Kon was developing his version so it's possible there was some inspiration there.
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>>137454395
>During an interview with Saldívar in 1995, reporters from The Dallas Morning News said her devotion to Selena bordered on obsession. Saldívar told employees at Selena Etc. she wanted to "be like Selena". According to an unnamed former employee, Saldívar was "possessive" of her relationship with Selena, and tried to distance Selena from the other employees. This person believed that Saldívar's goal was to "have more control over [the employees] and over Selena".

> As Selena tried to flee, Saldívar shot her once on the lower right shoulder, severing an artery and causing a massive loss of blood. Selena was critically wounded; she ran towards the lobby, leaving a trail of blood 392 feet (119 m) long. She was seen clutching her chest screaming, "Help me! Help me! I've been shot!"; Saldívar was still chasing after her, pointing the gun at her, and calling her a "bitch"

Holy shit. You might be right.
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>>137438771
This.
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>>137438392
Don't let Satoshi Kon die again.
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>mfw Kon's masterpiece isn't finished for another 30 years and ends up being half assed garbage
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>>137438392
All are 10/10
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>>137439059
That's dumb i have seen all of Satoshi Kons works and Paprika is amazing
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>>137461454
It's never gonna be made because he's dead you asshat.
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>>137439806
No it didn't
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>>137439839
All of Kons works are best
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>>137440210
same
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>>137440600
Paprika had a god tier ost and i loved the visuals and characters
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>>137462693

...Is Paprika actually good?

After watching it, I had the distinct impression that if I didn't know about Satoshi Kon prior to watching it, that I'd have left confused and pissed off.
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>>137443497
They all had great visuals and substance
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>>137463109
yes it is
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I really appreciate that none of the movies are longer than ~90 minutes.
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>>137452091
I wish my dad was still alive.
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>>137462700
You're retarded if you couldn't figure out I knew that by my post.
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>>137464704
rip bitch there is no afterlife but if you never forget him he'll never truly be dead to you.
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I enjoyed watching Tokyo Godfathers the most, but I think Millennium Actress is his best stylistic film.
Perfect Blue is just too raw for me. It's got his style all over the place, but I don't think he gets the pacing right on it, and there're way too many dream sequences that it just becomes tiresome.
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>>137450311
Nah, all episodes are excellent, especially how all of them are interconnected.

>>137450569
I don't know. They both share 'be true to yourself' theme but took it to two different directions. Paranoia Agent was more 'Stop lying about the unsavory parts of yourself', and Paparika was more 'Don't be afraid to be your real self'.
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Paprika has a dumb ending.
Both the climax and the fat wedding are dumb.
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>>137439839
>>137439878
So, Dreaming Machine?
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>>137438392

>What would you guys say was Satoshi Kon's best project?

The Happy Family Planning episode of Paranoia Agent.
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>>137454395
You know, it could be somewhat influenced because it was the manager who did it. But that was it. The manager was a pop idol herself at one time and was living through Mima because Mima was much more popular and was still young and was against Mima trying to break her idol image to become a serious actress. You can say it was a serious critique of the maintained innocence that J-Pop Idols have to maintain due to make theirselves seem available to idol fans and the toll it makes on the idol mentally.
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1. Paranoia Agent
2. Perfect Blue
3. Tokyo Godfathers
4. Millennium Actress
5. Good Morning short
6. Paparika

No 9000 ranking because all of his works are fucking good. Him dying was fucking shame. Fuck cancer for real, senpai.
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>>137466816
best episode
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>Perfect Blue winning
Excellent, my opinions are shared by the majority and are therefore superior.
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>>137466885
I will never understand the idol industry. There was that one that shaved her head in shame because the public found out that she had a boyfriend, and she had to apologize to them for lying.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with them?
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>>137467347
haha no Perfect Blue is my favorite and i disagree with you
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>>137438392
Ohayo
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OP here. I just finished watching Millennium Actres. Wow. What an absolutely brilliant work of art.

What's makes the ending of Millennium Actress even more tragic, in how Chiyoko never fulfilled her goal in finding the man she loved before her death, is that Kon died under similar circumstances in that despite his endeavors he was never able to finish his last work, Dreaming Machine, yet both come to accept that and continue pressing on even in the afterlife.

So you know what? As far as my opinion is concerned on what the best Kon movie is now that I've seen them all, I just have to say that they are all beautiful. Each and every one of them. Kon was a genius and its a shame his life was cut so short when there was so much more we could have seen from him.

Rest in Peace, Satoshi Kon.
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>>137467689
If you think that's bad, read his final words.
http://www.makikoitoh.com/journal/satoshi-kons-last-words
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>>137438392
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreaming_Machine

I hope this gets funding
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>>137467689
I competently agree with you
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>>137467757
Dammit, no! I don't wanna cry again! I literally burst into tears when I first read that!
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>>137467777
I i ever become rich i will fund it
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>>137467777
>>137467833
>quads
>dubs

i believe in meme magic
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>yfw we lost a person who rivals the best in cinema
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE
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>>137467952
Satoshi Kon is the best of Cinema
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>>137467952
I don't know if my heart can take a Satoshi Kon tribute, but I'm going to do it anyway.
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>>137467952
I fucking love this video.
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>>137467370
That former AKB48 girl, I think? It's beyond crazy. I mean the closest the West ever been was Brittney Spears in late 90s and that's more like she was jailbait and there was speculation if her cherry was popped or not. East Asian idols are literally created to be shoujo/shounen characters and marketed that they could be your girlfriend/boyfriend for lonely idol otakus/netizens. So that meant that they couldn't date unless it's an innocent relationship that the fans has been clamoring for.

I can't find it but there was some footage of a J-Pop idol basically criticizing the fans' crazy-ass behavior about idols dating which led to bans for idols to date anyone or date on the down low, basically pointing out that they are losers who can't get girlfriends and she's suffering for it.

Perfect Blue is a really great critique on it. Because Mima's disassociation was in part of the blowback she suffered for appearing in racy stuff to break her idol image.
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>>137467757
NOPE. NOPE. Cried bitch tears when I read it. Kon's death is the first time I felt so personally impacted by a director's death. Feels bad that the guy who is your favorite director dies young, man. Especially how he is influencing recent Hollywood blockbusters like Aronofsky's Black Swan and Nolan's Inception.

Feels kinda empty that we only have five works and a sixth that is incomplete and most likely not happening.
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>>137468474
Yeah, Minami Minegishi. Except she is still part of AKB and was promoted to captain of the band.
It's pretty shitty that she was basically brainwashed into staying in the band and was forced to break up with her boyfriend.
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>>137468605
I know anon. Every time I think of Kon's works, I remember we'll never see more of them, then I remember when I first read his last words and I tear up.
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>>137438392
Millenium Actress>Paprika>Tokyo Godfathers>Perfect Blue>Paranoid Agent
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>>137468694
I really hope she gets therapy once her idol days is over. It has to be some kinda hell that the dream you sacrificed a lot of becoming true become a gilded cage you never expected. And that shit fucks a person up real good.

I thought she got phased out considering that gigantic backlash. That video was very hard to watch. Poor girl.
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>>137438392
Paprika=Perfect Blue>Millenium Actress>Tokyo Godfathers>Paranoia Agent
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>>137468747
I'll be real and say that I haven't re-watched his works outside the Good Morning short since his death because it makes you want more and you realize he isn't around to tell more stories and it's pretty crushing. That short was enough for me to get depressed about it because it was so Kon all over the place.
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>>137468878
Agreed. The idol industry is run by complete sociopaths and idol otaku are fucking subhuman filth.
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>>137469011
Understandable. If you plan on rewatching any of Kon's works again, try watching them with someone who hasn't seen any of his movies before to introduce them to him/her.
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>>137453830
Holy shit that was amazing
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>>137469107
tfw no one to watch Satoshi Kon Films with
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>>137469318
Pretty much the most painful thing for me really
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>>137453830
Man it's true. EVERY Kon work has to deal with one's perception of reality. It's the main reason why Kon only made anime. It was the one medium where he could truly express his style and aesthetics.
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>>137469107
I'll try that. I'll be hard because my lil sis is a Konfag too and I am pretty sure my friends saw his stuff.
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>>137470149
Yeah but they might not have seen ALL of his works. Most people have only seen Paprika and/or Paranoia Agent. Try showing them any of his other 3 works.
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>>137469318
I'd watch them with you anon
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I've been meaning to re-watch Paranoia Agent again, but anyone know who did the best subs?
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>>137466816
If anyone is to be given the credit for that episode, it should be Satoru Utsunomiya.
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>>137439052
>He only wrote it, but Magnetic Rose is a staggering piece of work as well
He did some of the design and layout too.
I wouldn't be so surprised if he also helped Morimoto with the direction.
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These threads always make me sad, Kon being my favorite director and Hirasawa being my favorite composer, makes me think about how we will never get a new movie/series of him with Hirasawa's touch.

We need a new ''Kon'', anybody, please.
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>>137472711
I got something even better.
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>>137472730
I mean, I love every single one of his works, but Watanabe is not a replacement for Kon.

I'd like to see a movie made by him though, I wanted one of Space Dandy but never happened.
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>>137472730
Well tell us.
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>>137472807
Fucking moot.
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>>137472925
I don't think moot is a replacement for Satoshi Kon. All of that suspense for such a big letdown.
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>>137472943
He'll live up to the name someday, anon-kun.
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>>137473020
Why are you avatarfagging as known Western cinema director Shinichiro "Steve" Watanabe.
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>>137473084
I don't see a question mark so I'll gift you the glasses man once more.
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>>137451663
Somehow I doubt that, but movie sounds neat. Thanks, will check out.
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Why didn´t he leave instructions or at least point out someone he trusted to finish the Dream Machine?
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>>137448388
You better defend this statement
Tokyo godfathers used the enviornment so well in telling the story.
the characters are all developed by the end
>music
>Interaction

Tokyo God fathers is one of my favorite films and I watch it every christmas
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>>137438771
Ending felt rushed desu
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>>137439806
This.

Also: Perfect Blue for OP's question.
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