Is Ryuukishi07 finished? You might know Iwaihime from its m

People need to accept that Umineko is the greatest form of literature in history

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>>137431445
>finished

>>137431529
Yeah, I know it's not likely, he's rich as fuck from previous successed, but I would still like if he freed Tanaka Romeo from his grasp. He can keep Tonokawa.

>>137431445
Not exactly http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8504974.html

My friend told me that it seems like some sites (or general category? Hell if I can read this moonspeak) listed it as 1st on sales ranking. To begin with, with the size and price like that it isn't even supposed to be a doujin game at all.

>>137431896
My bad. Seems like we can't trust otaku-related news after all.

>>137431445
>5000 yen is too much for a doujin game

That's coming up to the price of a regular game.

>>137432677
Those are 8800 yen.

R07 has some dedicated antis.
I'm not a fan of his works at all, but I doubt it sold 10 copies. It probably sold decently just because of the art alone.

>>137432677
>>137432689

Then that one faggot conplaining.is just a poorfag, then.

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I thought it was charting pretty well.
Also the art is pretty beautiful considering it's a doujin game.
I've heard some pretty shitty things about the writing from twitter, here's Hadler's review:

'If I had to comment on something it would be R07's writing. In one word, clumsy....
One thing that spring out when you read the horror passage is the way he keep trying to make analogies in the clumsiest way for example...
Rest of the time it's been surprisingly really dull so far, there isn't even the usual ridiculous craziness'
(Bear in mind he's only read one hour)

>>137431445
>The guy says Higurashi was Ryuukishi's hit
He's pretty much right, Umineko was good but preachy as fuck and had a bunch of dumb things

>>137431445
I don't really give a shit either way, but thanks for your hard work op.

>>137433440
Hadler-sama is almost never wrong.

>>137433570
I was overstating, it wasn't that hard, I just read an article and typed out some sentences.

>>137433641
When has Hadler-sama ever been wrong before?

>>137433440
>'If I had to comment on something it would be R07's writing. In one word, clumsy....

That's always been R07's flaw, he's not a good writer. His works still have entertainment value on a basic level and that's more than fine.

>>137433785
It's a shame that Iwaihime seems to lack that entertainment factor his works usually have (even Umineko was fun when the meta debates/red-truth-wars were fully utilised).

How did this game come about? Was he commissioned or something? It sounds pretty by-the-book compared to his other stuff.

>>137434028
He was most likely commissioned to do it, the same way he was commissioned to do one of the routes in Rewrite

>>137431445
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/doujin/-/detail/=/cid=d_dg0001/

>トータル販売数 11
Top kek.

>10 copies
Yeah, that definitely isn't right. I remember he posted a tweet a while ago which said something about the pshysial version being sold out

>>137431445
Japanese popular opinion is pretty bad. Naruto is an elder god tier show and manga to them, GITS sucks, Cowboy Bebop sucks, your favorite anime is shit, and the best VN of all time is Fate/Stay Night.

Only the dedicated few who are truly great appreciate R07s greatness.

I doubt he will ever top Umineko though.

Umineko is literally the greatest literary achievement in all of human history. It is the sort of work that 100 years after the authors death will be rediscovered and considered classic literature of great importance to world civilization.

>>137434898
It was probably a shop that only got a few copies, the 2ch thread is completely deserted and >>137434862
doesn't lie

>>137434995
Umineko is pretty shit outside of osts

>>137432677
Half price of 1 bd anime

>>137435059
Bitch I'll scratch your eyes out

I remember Umineko being the most amazing thing ever for its first half and then suddenly it just shat the bed in the most spectacular way possible in its second half

>>137431445
>>>/jp/

>>137434862
>Total sale number: 11
>Total number of favorites: 105
Something seems wrong here

>>137435174
You don't need to buy something to put it into your favorite
It may just mean you want to check it later or something

>>137435148
I enjoyed the second half even more than the first half.

>>137434995
The japanese think sales=quality, if naruto sold that much it means it appealed to so many people! That sort of thinking.
They also think of Bebop and GiTS as masterpieces, it's always been that way. It's just that kind of SF doesn't have wide appeal.

I'm sure they think MLA and White album are better than F/SN. Doesn't matter when Muramasa is the best.

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Random doujin game by random guy ended up selling 4000 times more
What do you feel about that?

>>137435274
>Doesn't matter when Muramasa is the best.
You mean サクラノ詩?

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>>137435274
>Muramasa is the best

>>137435274
You are arguing with a guy who think Umineko is the best thing ever written by mankind
Seriously get over yourself

Umineko was shit. Okami Kakushi was shit.

R07 is literally a hack.

>>137435346
Umineko is.

But that is also just my opinion. I do not dictate that you niggas have to share it or agree with it.

>>137435393
But you are the one calling other people (japanese) opinion shit
Really, get over yourself, seriously

>>137435452
oh man, how dare I!

I should 100% agree with grand master Nippon popular opinion folded over 1000 times in grorious nippon steel.

Shut the fuck up you weeb.

>>137435306
I guess it's really true what they say about VNs without H-scenes selling less

>>137431445
Hey thanks for the effort
It's normal that an author can only make one or two hits, you can't be original forever and usually take your best ideas in your first story. Except Higurashi and Umineko, R07 isn't that good.

>Too expensive.
That also says a lot. He's greedy.

>>137435452
Calling other people's opinions shit is what 4chan is all about

R07's writing is awkward but he manages to make games with fleshed out and relatable characters and interesting settings. A lot of the stuff he writes is emotionally charged because of his character focus. Iwaihime lacked all of this so far. The characters are flat and bland as fuck which makes the plot drag because his writing alone can't carry it.

>>137435554
>That also says a lot. He's greedy.
Don't be stupid. R07 doesn't set the price or do anything related to planning, he was just hired by DMM.

>>137435306
>奴隷との生活
>和姦、純愛、恋人同士
Wait what.

>>137435660
It's a deconstruction of the slave genre.

>>137435535
I'm only saying you are an autistic retard,
It's like hearing a guy going:
OMG only Hollywood shit with lot of explosions like the Avenger sell, the plebeians are so stupid eating that shit forever.
Oh yeah did you know that Twilight was the greatest movie by mankind, it will be rediscovered as a monument of the film in 100 years.

This is basically what you are you stupid hypocritical shit,

>>137435653
>R07 doesn't set the price or do anything related to planning
Says who? Last time I sold a game, I had a chance to lower the price but let the publisher set it high and now I'm whining about the bad reviews. Eventually the creator always has the last say in everything.

>>137435723
I don't know what you're talking about. But when you're hired by a huge company (like DMM) you have very little say. You do what you're contracted to do and you get the fuck out.

>>137435306
Otaku are just looking for new fetishes or new flavors. They couldn't care less about anything else.

https://twitter.com/iwaihime/status/695066747905265664
Does anyone know which site the picture is of? At least it was number 1 in sales there at some point

>>137435845
>when you're hired by a huge company (like DMM) you have very little say
Not really.

>>137435955
http://dlsoft.dmm.com/ranking/term=weekly/

DMM itself.

>>137435359
Higanbana was garbage too

>>137436055
It's number on the monthly ranking too. Unless the best selling game on DMM sells 10 copies a month, it's safe to assume it sold way more.

>>137436744
It's the best selling commercial all ages game
And yes DMM probably sell about that much in term of commercial all ages game, the second in the ranking is Elder Scroll Online after all

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>>137436055
what the fuck

>>137431445
I loved Higurashi but hated the ending of Umineko and found it to be really slow and repetitive as well. It's not just the Japanese that hated it.

>>137436864
Really?
Having bad word of mouth will kill it, it won't be able to rank for long.

>>137436864
>ranked higher than Angel Beats
>ranked higher than Muv-Luv Alternative
>ranked higher than Steins;Gate
I don't think you're right anon

And besides, how could they even have a top 60 list if number 1 only sold 10 copies?

>>137431445
what is 5000 yen like $2?

>>137437308
Why would those games continue to sell thousands every week? If anything, couple dozens seems more realistic.

>>137437385
Try 50

That's clearly fake, even the shittiest of kusoges sells more than ten copies in ten days

>>137437409
>couple dozens seems more realistic
Exactly, which means that Iwaihime must have sold more than 10 if it's number 1. And Angel Beats was only released a couple of months ago

>>137435393
Umineko is full of shit.

Also FSN > Umineko

>>137437551
>only released
Most games\anime\whatever sell the most during their first week.

>>137437551
Angel Beats probably sold 2-3 copy this week.
People who want to buy it will buy an actual copy, not an overpriced digital copy

>>137433531
Yeah. Higurashi was really preachy too, but Umineko's message was insufferable and Ryukishi couldn't stop throwing it in your face.

Ryukishi is a prime example of why editors are necessary. He keeps spewing repetitive verbiage that's a chore to read.

>>137437620
>People who want to buy it will buy an actual copy, not an overpriced digital copy
Wouldn't the same count for Iwaihime then?

>>137437748
Probably, I didn't say it didn't
For commercial game digital distribution is only a small portion.
What is bad though about iwaihime is that it's a DMM exclusive that got quite a bit of press there, if you compare it to the rerelease of Sayonara wo Oshiete that was a DLsite excluvie released 2 week ago that sold 1000+ it's pretty bad

>>137437659
Higurashi's message at least has a context (the club trying to decide what to do and how to save themselves), in Umineko it's mostly Ange and Featherine spouting pseudo-philosophical shit

http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8504974.html
Here's litterally an article about Iwaihime not selling only 10 copies

>>137437557
I also like FSN but let's not get there.

>>137438169
Wow, that article was really fucking specific

So the 11 sales thing is just a bug with the site then? I guess that makes sense

>>137438737
He is right though.
Not like FSN is great but it's not hard to be better than Umineko

>>137431445
Sounds like people are just butthurt they can't fap to it. I can't see complaints on the story.

>>137438838
Not really, he is just looking for excuses
It only sold 11 in DMM, nothing debunked it so far.
That just mean that most people probably bought the actual game in store which is normal since who the fuck would buy a digital game when you can buy it in store for the same price or less

>>137438991
Go to the 2ch thread to have a field day, you'll see lot of complaints about the story

>>137439076
>It only sold 11 in DMM
Anon, did you read the article?

Just give me RyukishiXRomeo VN already.

>>137433440
>there isn't even the usual ridiculous craziness'
I always thought that was the best part about his work. His writing leads you into a gray area where you're trying to figure things out and nothing makes sense then you just enter crazyland and everything cranks up to eleven and suddenly shounen battles out of nowhere.
That was the best parts of higu and cats for me. It felt like wandering through the forest and getting attacked by pegasi or whatever the plural of pegasus is, its magical.

>>137439076
>Go to the 2ch thread to have a field day, you'll see lot of complaints about the story

R07 should just write his shit in french instead, nips just don't seem to like his work.

>>137438169
One anon posted that already with the presumably OP agreeing with it; I'm not sure why people are still thinking that it only sold 11 copies. It's even on the 5th and 6th post for fuck sake

>>137435148
It was a masterpiece all the way through.

>>137439245
>Just give me RyukishiXRomeo VN already.
You mean the "ignore Ryukishi and Tonogawa parts only read Romeo" VN?
Yeah can't wait

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>>137438169
OP come back here and sudoku for this misinformation.

>>137439165
Yeah, did you?
This matome guy is fucking retarded and seem to think being above Elder Scroll online in term of sale mean anything

>>137439338
They hate it so much they made him rich as fuck

>>137439442
Oh, I didn't see that. Then I don't understand what people are arguing about here, the article makes it very clear that it sold more

Higuarashi VN > Umineko VN is the recommended order right?
New sprites or old ones?

>>137439632
Ryukishi's sprites are more charming once you get used to them. No one will blame you if you want to use the others thought.

>>137439632
Good order
Use whatever sprites you like more, old sprites have better expressions, new sprites are less fucked anatomically

>>137439588
>ファイル容量：4699.18MBもあるから5000円は妥当
This is my favorite part, this guy is fucking stupid

>>137439618
How "rich" is he anyways?

>>137439539
Of course anon, the worth thing in that VN is Romeo's writing.

Is there a way to buy the physical copy online? Feel bad for him willing to buy his fuck up

>>137431445
>Non-H games don't sell

I really fucking hate nip VN fags.

>>137439937
A bad game doesn't sell, who care

>>137439723
1yen/Megabyte, seems reasonable.

>>137439937
Why the fuck would you read a VN without porn?

>>137440133
Are you this stupid too?

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Okay guys, I just bought the fucking game from DMM, so if the sales don't go up from 11 now then the site is definitely fucked up

>>137435660
>He doesn't know about Headpats: The Game
Dohohoho

>>137440409
The scars are too much. Can you remove them?

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>>137439539
mfw Moogy will be forced to read R07 once again in order to get to his precious Romeo

>>137440373
>it went up to 12
Well, I guess that's that then

>>137440373
>>137440648
http://www.dmm.co.jp/en/dc/doujin/-/detail/=/cid=d_dg0001/
Fuck

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>>137440648
>>137440714

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>>137440373
>>137440714

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>>137440648
>>137440714

Christ knows why this game exists in the first place.
An expensive non-H doujin game written by fucking Ryukishi?
It was made to fail.

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>>137434995
>Umineko is literally the greatest literary achievement in all of human history. It is the sort of work that 100 years after the authors death will be rediscovered and considered classic literature of great importance to world civilization.
Surely no one really believes this shit, right? Right?

>>137440373
Good job, you just proved OP was right

>>137440889
Umineko is arguably the non-canon sequel to the bible.

Kazuharu Kina's art is beautiful

>>137440889
Umineko is pretty great, but thankfully I'm not one of the retards who actually thinks it's flawless. Definitely not.

>>137440917
The bible is garbage and it holds no literary value.

>>137440889
You'd be surprised, Umineko seems to attract some kind of autism
You didn't talk see hell till you saw a retard sperabout how Jessica is Beatrice in a youtube video for 24 hours

>>137440889
I do
Umineko changed my life

>>137441074
>The bible is garbage and it holds no literary value.
Just like Umineko then

>>137441074
Which is why Ryukishi blessed us with his post-modern meta masterpiece to deconstruct the Christian religion.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/christian-book-reviews-forum/umineko/

>>137439309
I feel like Rose Guns Days did that really well too. People tend to dismiss it, because it's got an incredibly jarring start, but it turns into one of the craziest rollercoasters ever during the second half.

Please,Umineko is God's gift to mankind.

>>137441106
>Jessica is Beatrice in a youtube video for 24 hours
You sure you don't mean Rosa? That guys video series is seriously 8 hours long

>>137441219
>sure you don't mean Rosa
You are probably right, sorry I'm not the most versed in that kind of autism

>>137441201
When it works, it works well.
You get moments of Ryukishi's ridiculously fun craziness sprinkled around RGD - especially with Wang and Gabriel.
But there's not nearly enough of it, and as a whole it's still incomparable to the sort of Ryukishi-esque writing from Umineko.

>>137441191
What the fuck? That has to be a joke, right?

>>137441486
Why?

R07 is the second coming of the Christ.

>>137441191
>http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/christian-book-reviews-forum/umineko/
Holy shit R07 is a genius on so many levels, I feel sorry for people who can't understand the masterpiece of Umineko and its deep complex themes

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>>137441191
>Atheism incarnate named Erika

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>>137440648

>>137441106
>>137441219

There's also this series.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQEZUcAgZHQN43TNJo0PR5oI8WqkVxf9K

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>>137441996
Christ, even I'm not that bad.

>>137431445

Torrents when though?

>>137441996
>literally 24 hours
Who the fuck would watch all that?

>>137442243
Never underestimate Seacats!


But otherwise,good question.

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>>137441748
I frankly can't disagree with that description.

>>137442229
This desu, I still want to play it.

Good. Umineko was shit

>>137439937
It's DMM. It literally specialises in eroge

>>137431445

VN's are kind of about who or what is trendy and unfortunately Ryukishi07 hasn't been since the late 2000's. I had heard fans felt kind of betrayed by events in the later Umineko volumes too. In VN land it's all about Nitroplus, Type-Moon these days and even KEY seems to be trying to stage a comeback by working with the kingmakers at Aniplex on synergy titles. What has Ryukishi07 done to advertise his products.

>>137432677

It's hardcore otaku oriented stuff so they charge up the ass assuming obsessive fans will still pay up.

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>>137441191
>Jesus was born without a father so it makes sense that I don't have one either!
Maria was really just depressing. Not a very good role model.

>>137435887

I kind of wish they'd just go back to exclusively playing doujin and eroge and leave the anime scene alone already. It'd probably mean a drastic drop in profits for the producers that have relied on obsessive fan money for way to long, but it'd cut a lot of dependency issues on both sides and really free up the anime scene to go in a much needed new direction.

>>137442683
>new direction
To the grave.

>>137442683
Then we'd just get mecha originals and manga adaptions.

>>137442763

I'd almost be okay with that if it means getting rid of a really annoying fanboy influence or at least cutting it down signficantly. It'd just mean that anime kind of goes back to being like it was before the late 2000's....you know when it was kind of fun and not just full of asshole crazy fanboys and producers that think they need to cater to them exclusively and pump their tires so they'll give them money.

>>137442879
Yeah, everything looked funnier when i was 15 too.

>>137431445
>Iwaihime

Thanks

>>137442879
>treating the people who make anime different to those who consume it
They aren't. People who get into the core anime industry love anime
>not just full of crazy fanboys
Anon please, it's either otaku or kids. It's how it's been before 2000s too.

>>137442376
>not using original sprites

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>>137443829
They both have their charms

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>>137431445
Posting best Seacat.

>>137440648
Fuck.

>>137440373
>>137440648
Oh shit, this is sad. Hopefully the physical edition sold better.

I really dislike R07 for what he did with Umineko, but that shit in OP is made up nonsense.

Read
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8504974.html
for more information.

>>137445176
This is the third time that's been posted, but everyone refuses to accept it

>>137445176
I can't into moonrune

>>137445342
It's more like people who aren't stupid don't need a retarded matome site article written by some random faggot to understand simple facts

Since you don't seem to understand japanese, he basically says nothing new except the most basic shit and he is also wrong in one part since he seems to think the only 11 copies sold was just a fake created by some antis.
It's not
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/doujin/-/detail/=/cid=d_dg0001/

But it's true that this doesn't mean it only sold that much too

>>137445342
>This is the third time that's been posted

I'm sorry, but I was simply looking at the last few replies and it didn't seem like people had understood what is going on.

>>137445361
DMM has two different sites for Iwaihime

This one, which currently has 12 sales
http://www.dmm.co.jp/en/dc/doujin/-/detail/=/cid=d_dg0001/

And this one, which is ranked number 1 in sales
http://dlsoft.dmm.com/detail/dmmgames_0001/


They aren't the same. If you look at them they even have different ratings (first has 3 stars, second has 4,5)

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>>137443829
>>137444919
>Not using pachislots sprites

Is this even getting a translation?

I'm crying right now. I'm always too late.
>07thExpansion fag
>Keyfag
>got into VNs in 2012

And now Ryu is dying even more.
Fuck me.

>>137446792
I'm working on it :^)

>>137446911
Don't toy with my heart like this

>>137446859
The whole eroge industry is dead and the majority of talent is moving to the anime and LN industry, you're way too late.

>>137447090

Eroge doesn't matter anyways. All the high profile VN makers are still making them. Utawarerumono and Steins;Gate 0 both did beyond excellent last year, selling higher than most things have in years, and Minato Soft even has a visual novel by Romeo Tanaka coming out this year. None of them are Eroge but they all speak for themselves in terms of quality. Ryukishi as well has never done an eroge.

If I wanted porn I'd go play a nukige anyways, which I already do.

>>137447838
It's not like Romeo's stuff sells anyway.

>>137439539
To be fair, that wasn't really Ryukishi's fault. He was only given the bare bones behind the story and characters and told to write whatever he felt like, promising they'd fix things or tell him what to rewrite later. They never did.

>>137447838
Or you can have porn as a supplementary part of the story, especially if it's focused on relationships. Anime almost never delivers this so eroge is the only solution.

>>137448552
I wouldn't mind some porn drawn by Ryukishi. I'd buy it.

>>137440175
Why would you read a VN for the porn? 99% of VN porn is shit.

>>137448517
>believing his leis

>>137447838
Most worthwhile VNs are actually eroge.

>>137448679
Actually, it was Vava himself who confirmed that he gave free reign to Ryukishi while the latter was trying to do something "key" like before being told not to do so.

>>137448645
Whether it's shit or not is another matter, but if you aren't interested in it at all, why even bother with VNs, just watch anime, read LNs or whatever.

>>137441121
Same, it changed the way I think.

>>137448708

Were eroge.

When's the last time an actual good visual novel was an Eroge besides Sakura no Uta?

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>Ryukishi will probably die in my lifetime
Why. I don't want to experience this.

>>137448835
I think the Umineko message is kinda bullshit but the whole reasoning parts with Erika and Battler made me reason differently

>>137449056
>Sakura no Uta
Don't bring this shit in here.

>>137449056
Define good.

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The art for this games isn't very good. Average and generic.

>>137449060
Who cares? He's mediocre at best.

>>137431445
Why japanese otaku are so obsessed with porn? You can have all the porn you want for free on the internet why do they need a 5 minute shit-tier porn scene in every visual novel to buy it?

>>137449550
Context, or something. Unfortunately most of the time they're completely unfappable in story-driven stuff. I like ero as much as the next person but I play nukige to fap.

>>137449705
But there are plently of visual novels that are not nukige. R07 never puts h in his stories why are they complaining? It's juste stupid, it's not meant to be porn

>>137449823
It's just a staple of the genre. Most PC VNs have porn so that's what people have come to expect. If they were released on a console no one would complain.

>>137449056
Fuck off JOP

>>137449944
Higurashi and Umineko had huge a success and there was no porn. Mahoyo has no porn. I thought the cliché of the pointless porn scene in every visual novel was over, but apparently not.

>>137449277
I actually followed the message of Umineko and is now living happily. Granted I know I have issues but overall I think my happiness improved after reading Umineko.

>so many people in this saying Umineko was shit

I guess it's because US people can't read...

>>137449550

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest myself, and ultimately I feel like it's really just tradition.
Like, you look at the 90s and there were lots of porn games and dating sims, and then you have stuff like Yu-No which had porn but had a really interesting plot and a full write up on quantum theory in it. Apparently it changed the industry forever, considering a number of the best writers nowadays cite it as a huge inspiration for them.

At the least, it acts as a sort of deterrent for a younger crowd. Admittedly I read Fate/Stay Night for the first time when I was in middle school, but for the most part being 18+ means you can write for an 18+ crowd and market it for adults and that in itself is sort of an advantage.

>>137450038
You no porn faggots already have all other possible mediums to enjoy without porn or believable relationship development. Eroge is pretty much the only place you can expect a couple to actually fucking fuck.

>>137450038
I've heard Mahoyo sold badly compared to F/SN, but I don't know if it's actually true

>>137450271
I guess Japanese can't read either.

>>137450391
Visual novel is a good medium too. There are things Iike in VN that I can't find in other mediums.

>>137450396
FSN was a huge success, selling more than it is very difficult

>>137450396
Mahoyo was quite successful and >>137450596

>>137450438
But it's not a secret they have shit tastes

>>137450728
Well, duh, they can produce literal shit and retards would still buy it as long as it's somehow connected to the universe.
It didn't have porn because for popular franchises going 一般ゲーム is much more profitable than staying in the niche eroge market.

>>137450396
Everything sells badly compared to FSN.

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>>137451158

>>137446792
Eat shit, EOP

>>137451162
Why are you putting a word in japanese in the middle of your sentence which is written in English. Use romaji it's made for that.

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>>137451410
>Use romaji it's made for that

>>137451162
>the Tsukihime remake won't have rape scenes
Feels bad

>>137434995
>Naruto is an elder god tier show and manga to them

Seriously?

>>137451967
manga is considered normalfag there and naruto is the normalfagest
you can talk about it on the street and most people will know it, like doraemon or shinchan

>>137443129
>>137442879

You people acting like they know anything about this industry need to stop.