show me an anime with more complex or rich characters than evangelion
>main character cries
>main character has an absentee father and no mother
>mech cockpit is filled with liquid
>of the main character's two comrades, one is aggressive and the other is indifferently dismissive
>female support staff handing out boners like they're free
>enemy designs are mind-rending eldritch horrors from the void that make no sense
>antagonists are from space but related to humanity
>the world drowns in Tang at the end
>needed a movie to redo an ending that people weren't happy with
Face it, Eva fags. Your show is a shameless ripoff of Space Warrior Baldios.
Revolutionary Girl Utena
It also deals with the same themes as Evangelion, covers more and is overall much better in every conceivable way.
This actually good though? You've piqued my interest.
Both are good. I prefer Utena but not cause it's "better" than Evangelion, it's just a completely different show.
>I didn't know Eva' central theme was about homos
There's litterally nothing else of substance though.
You clearly never got beyond seeing the characters from the point of view of their onlooking classmates in the melodrama of the show, the symbolism must be 2deep4u m80.
There's literally one homosexual character in the show and even in her case it's not necessarily a given that she is actually a carpet muncher... Shinji and Kaworu on the other hand...
I was mainly baiting, mainly.
Which is exactly why the movie is all about Utena being a dyke nor the show being about a girl dressed as a boy.
is CLEARLY nothing to do with lesbians. I don't think you understood anything at all.
Yeah it's pretty good, it has a lot of the stuff you usually see from 80's anime at the time but I thought it was fun in its own way. Actually finding it is very difficult though.
You're either going all out or you have absolutely no understanding of abstract or visual storytelling.
The movie has a bit of a homoerotic thing going on, but even to go so far as to classify it as its central theme is an inadvertent admission of your own visual illiteracy.
Yeah, I can find the movie but it doesn't look like the show's been subbed. Honestly wish fansubbers would focus on old shows that are unsubbed instead of just correcting CR scripts or whatever which are already translated.
No I was trolling, but claiming that there was only one gay character is also trolling seeing there's the girl with the locket and the ghost gay gay from season two (with pink hair and his own himemiya clearly meant to be a mirror of Utena.) Not to mention just about every male character is involved in some sort of gay relationship at some point even if it's just innuendo.
Oh, I forgot about that guy (like they do in the show, huehue). Wasn't his whole thing that he was in love with the stepmother of that child though, and the child was just his rose bride to help him achieve his goal of getting his waifu?
There's loads of ambiguous sexuality, but you can chalk it all up to rumours and stuff.
In the one scene we see with him together with the chocolate boy bride the boy's adjusting his clothes like he just got fucked. Of course
it was actually himemiya, but it was probably anal to convince him that what he was fucking was really a boy.
The Bride and the Prince are archetypes though, and in his story the prince was the Bride(the little boy)'s father (just like how Miki and Kozue's dad is marrying another Himemiya because she is his Rose Bride).... And the revolution is a future Rose Bride decides to not be a Rose Bride etc...
Anguish rape or maybe it just looks suspicious to the outside world because of his ulterior motives? You've got a point all the same.
The characters aren't tropes at all, in fact it goes out of it's way to break tropes (princes, princesses and witches being the most obvious ones). It's just that the series has a very dramatic/theatrical feel and a pseudo fairytale setting, whereas Eva characters are pretty grounded and realistic in comparison. That doesn't make Utena characters less complex, it's just a difference in the way their complexities are explored.
>insecurity is a deep emotion and its deep because I'm insecure in life too XD
The joke about this show is that its not deep at all, but you faggots can just self insert so hard you've tricked yourselves into thinking its good.
Does anyone know of any more anime or manga for severely depressed people, like the kind where it's just the main character suffering and failing in various ways?
Next thread will be
>show me an anime with characters more complex or rich than Raki Suta
If we're counting the manga, easily Berserk
Honestly I think the complexity of eva is overrated. It's kinda like "babby's first philosophical journey". I mean sure that's not a bad thing in the slightest. But just because it was complicated when you were a kid and now have a big nostalgia boner over it, doesn't mean that it's not easily outclassed in the "deep" department. Just my opinion though.
I think Evangelion is perceived as more deep than it is because of poor writing/directing and perhaps budget issues and certainly plot holes.
Well that's the funny part. Sometimes a work of art (film,tv,book or otherwise) will have meanings and symbols that were never planned but seem to make sense to an audience. It seems a lot of stuff in Eva are like that. human brain likes finding patterns and Eva is a show that plays on that. there are lots of stuff in Eva that "feel" like they make sense. The only reason why I don't think it's pretentious is because you can tell the creator (anno) is earnestly trying to express himself through the show which is the anti-thesis of "pretentious".
Its perceived as "more deep" because the frame of reference is so small. Most of the people who praise it don't read books or watch movies and there isnt that much in the realm of anime that deals with mature themes. If they watched something like Schenectady New York they might understand how much of a kiddy show NGE is.
>Shinji has a bad relationship with his father.
>I have a bad relationship with my father
>muh frame of reference
Trying to delegitimize animu with an amateur short which can only be appreciated due to postmodernism. Hit the books kid, cause you sure haven't learned shit yet.
Amateur short? Oh look the exact person I'm talking about just showed up.
I'm not trying to delegitimize animu, I like anime a lot. But its faggs like you that cant except anime for what it is. Which is not some deep art form. Its cartoons for Japanese kids.
I'm not that guy, but if you can appreciate that movie I think you're just not actually looking at anime for anything more than what you expect from it. Calling it kiddy just because some shows aren't trying to be anything doesn't change the fact that so many that actually are.
I'm calling it kiddy because its for kids. Its like when Deathnote was airing. Everyone thought that show was super mature for an anime Did that show have some mature themes? yes. Was that show still for kids? 100% yes. Because that is who will buy it. I'm not saying that the emotions and conflicts are not present, but they are touched on at such a surface level relative to other anime around it. But compare it to anything else and it falls so flat.
I mean if you look at the demographic for tv anime then yes its all for kids. Even shows like Osumatsu which air at like 11pm jp time could be watched by a 14 year old. Just to clarify when I say kids I mean people who are either underage or haven't had a real job.
Eva might have originally started out that way, but it obviously underwent changes during the production run. That is why it was pulled from an ostensibly children's times slot to an evening adult time slot. It took a while before jap network execs actually watched one of the eps and said "fug dat".
But that's also part of the magic. It's something thats trying to be so much more than its genre or demographic. Kind of like Watchmen for comic books.
You don't fucking get it you Patrician wannabe. Schitady can only be awarded at an indie film festival today because society has accepted postmodernism, which you don't fucking get at all. If you did get it, you would get off your goddamn horse.
>believing there's such a thing as kiddy and mature anime
One is an edgy tryhard and the other is a generalizing faggot
>Please don't say "You are lazy"
>Because you are actually crazy
>Yes, swans waddle where you can't see
Truly the Evangelion of anime.