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Ok so I am done with this will ZZ be as bad?
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Ok so I am done with this will ZZ be as bad?
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>>137358340
ZZ is the opposite of Zeta in a lot of ways. Mainly in that it is good instead of bad.
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>>137358340
Do you like goofy slapstick comedy? Then you'll like the first 15 episodes of ZZ. Otherwise you'll hate the rest which is basically more of the same as Zeta.
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>>137358340
Zeta is a strong 5 to a light 6 out of 10.
ZZ is a solid 8.
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Should have lived really

The only good characters were Paptimus,Jerid and Yazan.
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ZZ a best gundam.
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>>137359243
You forgot best girl Emma.
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Best transformable MS.
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>>137359243
Yazan is best boy.
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>>137360601
Handsome devil
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>>137358340
Go watch your SAO dude... Leave adult anime untill you are 20+
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>>137361637
>Go watch your SAO dude... Leave adult anime untill you are 20+

It's a toy commercial.
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The first like 18 episodes of ZZ suck dick then it turns into a better version of Zeta
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ZZ is actually the 2nd best Gundam TV series and better than Turn A.
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>>137358340
I'm on episode 20 and I can't keep watching this piece of shit.
Can I just drop it and watch CCA?
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>>137363236
Yes, you can. Despite Char being in the OP, he never makes an appearance.
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>>137363236
Don't get your hopes up for CCA and expect it to be an amazing movie like you've heard, it's pretty bad outside of the last 10 minutes

Stick with ZZ for a couple of more episodes
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>>137363321
I don't even care if it's great or not, I just want to be done with early UC.

Does Camille ever come back? Does Amuro appear again?
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>>137362038
A toy commercial that happens to be much more "mature" than most anime nowadays
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>>137363442
Please don't tell me you're in a rush tosee Unicorn
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10/10 warship
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>>137363236
Keep watching. I hated the first half of ZZ with a burning passion, but the second one is pretty good (it has some retarded bullshit as expected from Tomino but it's good).
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>>137363318
Doing that would be madness though. I don't see the point in skipping ZZ to watch CCA when CCA is a shitty movie. Unicorn is much better, and that at least has direct ties to ZZ.
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>0079 is shit and you need to watch the movies instead
>Zeta is shit
>ZZ is even more shit
>0083 is worst Gundam ever
>08th is shit and the love story is retarded
>CCA is shit, Quess worst girl ever
>Unicorn looks pretty but the story is shit
>F91 is rushed shit
>Victory has a bland cast

Why do we like UC again?
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>>137363698
>my opinions are fact: the post

How do you manage to breathe?
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>>137363698
0079 had terrible shitty animation and bad fights.
Zeta has awful Tomino dialogue and characters doing stupid things everywhere.
Zeta ANT same thing there except we now got new animated scenes tucked next to old ones
ZZ is pants on head retarded, also not canon.
CCA has Quess being an irritating cunt and a bullshit ending.
0080 is muh hijacking operation mecha shit #9999999
0083 has Nina being a backstabbing cunt and is shit outside of the animation.
08th MS Team has muh Romeo and Juliet and a Ball being invincible for no reason. Fucking plot armor.
Unicorn is Zeon apologism everywhere and stupid Newtype bullshit also muh box.
F91 is just 0079 rehashed.
Victory is muh dead wimmenz.
G is awful super robot bullshit.
Wing is shitty teenage garbage.
X is muh Oldtype wank and shitty rehashed Wing reject designs.
Turn-A is boring as fuck and Loran being the first useless pacifist cuntbag.
Turn-A Movies managed to make it even more boring
SEED is teenage drama fujoshit.
SEED HD Remaster choir boy manages to run into a sword
Destiny is teenage-ier, drama-ier fujoshit.
00 is autistic lead pilots and the worst second season of anything ever.
AGE is everything wrong with all of the above and more besides.
G-Reco? More like "gee, I wish I'd watched anything other than this".

And now IBO is even more shit.

why do you like Gundam garbage?
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>>137363607
CCA isn't that shitty aside from making Char a bad guy again, Quess, and the Disney end. It's an awesome showdown between the 2 most popular characters.
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>>137363698
'UC is good' is actually a meme. 0079, Zeta, 0080 and Victory are good, everything else is mediocre or bad.
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>>137363442
I actually like the way Kamille was handled in ZZ.
He becomes some kind of ultra enlightened newtype Buddha and Fa never abandons him.
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>>137363800
>CCA isn't that shitty

Did you even watch CCA, Quess and whatever the other kid's name was took the focus away from the main story and Amuro vs Char. Shit was garbage
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>>137363815
Victory was legit the second worst Gundam I've ever seen and I've seen all of them
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>>137358340
It doesn't get worse than Zeta.
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>>137363815
>Zeta


What the fuck? Is "Zeta Gundam is good" just an elaborate troll? I finally finished forcing myself to watch this shit and it is worse than 0079 in every way.
>worse story
>worse characters
>worse music
>worse mobile suits
>autistic writing

It also ruins every returning character from 0079, mostly ruining Char and Amuro.
Overall, Zeta Gundam is a complete clusterfuck and I can't imagine ZZ could be any worse than it. I can't really explain in detail why Zeta is shit because I am still in complete shock that people consider this better than 0079 or good at all. The only worse mecha show I have seen is maybe MOSPEADA
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>>137363698
I like the newtype evolution for the space era stuff. It's imaginative. UC also has the most weirdly shaped non-humanoid mecha.
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>>137364058
ZZ ruins Bright by turning him into a slut that wants to cheat on Mirai with a bimbo.
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>>137363896
I'm going through Victory right now, just got to the part where the OP changes.
Why does it get hate? It's just the same old Gundam. It's not even more depressing than Zeta.

I was laughing at these dumbass Zanscarians though. For 20 something episodes they kept going on and on about their "ideals" without saying what they were so I assumed Deikunism. Then there's throwaway lines from Katejina and Chronicle about creating a society that respects mothers. Oedipus complex: the empire, I can't take them seriously.
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>>137364101
There's no shading in the show so everything looks flat and cheap, plus you're about to get to the worst part of the show where every character turns mega retarded (even worse than Zeta) and people drops like flies because Tomino was butthurt and wanted the Gundam series to die
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>>137364101
>Why does it get hate? It's just the same old Gundam. It's not even more depressing than Zeta.

Contrived scenarios, annoying characters, general stupidity, and the most telegraphed deaths for obvious emotional appeal in all of Gundam.
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>>137364163
The animation is actually pretty good in Victory though. I remember the choreography being better than ZZ and Zeta.

Also the designs are a new take on things, even if some are silly.
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>>137364552
The animation is different than the choreography, the animation in all of the old Gundam shows is bad so Victory isn't any different

Seriously though keep watching and you'll see why people hate it so much, the last 2 or 3 episodes took me forever to finish because I kept pausing out of regret from wasting my time
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>>137364626
I've seen all of it. It was hard to get through, but I liked it more than Zeta.

I would say ZZ > 0079 > Victory > Zeta for UC.
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Just power through the first 10 episodes or so and you'll be in the clear.
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>>137363851
Fa is best gundam waifu
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>>137363815
Victory's decent but the art direction is bland and the overall writing is pretty uninspired. I enjoyed it enough to watch the whole thing, but unless it's the first Tomino Gundam you ever watch it's not that special if you ask me. Uso was awesome though.
>>137364058
>I can't really explain in detail why Zeta is shit
Oh, of course not. How convenient.
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>>137363463
I was in a rush to see Unicorn and it was pretty good. Got to experience some classics and everything they did right, while also being unhindered by nostalgia when comparing how Unicorn did some things so much better than 0079 and Zeta.
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>>137359243
That's a weird way of spelling worst.
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>>137364848
>Unicorn did some things so much better than 0079 and Zeta.
Such as?
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>>137363815
>Victory
It was pretty average. Just a really oversimplified rehash of Zeta with some really dumb characters and designs, while also re-using the child soldier idea that 0080 had already done better.
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>>137363800
Quess and Hathaway ruined the entire movie for me, I actually cheered when Quess died.
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>>137364938
Animation
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>>137364927

Puru is love, Puru is life
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>>137364626
Well if you put it that way it makes me curious to finish. I've seen Recoa so she isn't so bad, but I hope fucking Katejina dies soon. And Chronicle is a whiny, honorable version of Char. I just want to see Zanscare wiped from side 2.
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>>137364949
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If you weren't told otherwise, you'd assume they're siblings. There's no reason to believe not to.
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>>137364855

Everybody else was boring as fuck.
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>>137365018
Did she even have a name? All I remember is her glorious spacehair.
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>>137365033

Micott Bartsch, but it's just as valid to call her Gundam Sexhair
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>>137364980
Puru is the best reason to like ZZ.
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Anyone have the Webm where Marshmellow activates his powers and shits all over Puru 2's Queen Mansa with a Zaku III?
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>>137365127
Glemy was cool too. And the Queen Mantha was a great looking mech.
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>>137364938
A properly done Sayla/Four/Rosamie/Puru plotline with actual emotional impact, a Jerid Messa who was at least relevant and did shit for the main story, and an overall much more tightly knit plot, without shitty filler and weird directing decisions. I can definitely understand why some people would dislike the final episode, and Banagher was by far the weakest link in terms of characters (especially shit compared to Amuro/Kamille), but it's still the best "final product" as far as UC Gundam goes for me (not counting Turn A).
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>>137365181
>not the best character in ZZ
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>>137365228
Marshmallow and that bitch with the crazy hair who's name I can't remember were both awesome.
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>>137365032
>Bright, Amuro, Char are boring as fuck
That's just your opinion man.
Even if they were boring, they would be better than Jerid.
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>>137363800
>Disney end
How many Disney movies involve a protagonist who lives in constant anxiety and PTSD and then dies at the end?
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>>137365186
If you're talking everything UC, then the most well-constructed part of it is 0080. Unicorn would be second place.

>>137365228
I really don't understand how anybody could dislike him and Chara.
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Everyone likes Glemy because he created the Puru clones. But I was furious the entire time I was watching for that reason. Fuck you Glemy, give Puru back.
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>>137365267
How can you not love Jerid? He's such a colossal fuck up, it's hard not to root for him.
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>>137365303
He is a bully, he deserved everything bad that happened to him.
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>>137365228
>Marshmellow and Chara are turned into Cyber Newtypes
>they become two of the most powerful characters in UC.
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>>137365267
>Amuro

Yeah he clearly he got so much screen time.

>Bright

Typical ships captain but thats ok


>Char/Quattro

All he did the entire show was job hard, and somehow you shit on Jerid the jobber at least he killed somebody.
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>>137365297
Sacrificing 1 Puru and getting 1000 is a fine tradeoff.
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>>137365341

Chara was ok, she took down a good number of the Puru clones.

Mashymre was an exceedingly powerful Cyber-NT, probably the strongest one ever created considering his Newtype Flash in his last moments.
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>>137365186
Both Four and Rosamia did have an emotional impact, though, and more importantly both Four and Rosamia gave insight into both Kamille and Char. While Jerid wasn't overwhelmingly relevant to the greater plot, he contributed his weight in the story thematically. Unicorn is more tightly knit, you are right, but it's also comparatively thematically empty and redundant in all the worst ways.

It's well-presented, but it's a fucking superfluous mess.
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>>137365294
>0080
Right, that's pretty top-tier as well. I guess I was just thinking of the more "grand scheme of things" stories, while 0080 is incredibly effective at what it does, it's also not as ambitious as the longer shows.
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>>137365341
>kill Purus 3~11
If you like either of them you need to go back to gaia in time for the colony drop that will end your life
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>>137365453
Did Mashymre even do anything in his final moments? All I remember happening is him screaming "LOVE LIVE HAMAN-SAMA!!" and exploding.
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ZZ is way worse than Zeta; there's too much comic relief and shenanigans, and the only moment that really stands out in my memory is when the MC made Haman Karn piss herself in fear of his newtype powers, which are apparently stronger than Amuro or Kamille despite him being a worse pilot.
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>>137365510

He showed he was really powerful, but decided to blow himself up.
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>>137365517
Newtypes are generally good pilots. Being a good pilot doesn't imply being a newtype though.
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>>137365517
>the MC made Haman Karn piss herself in fear of his newtype powers
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>>137365517
I would have bought Judau being the strongest Newtype if it weren't for CCA. There's no way Judau could have pulled off preventing the Axis drop.
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>>137365597
>all these characters sense it like the world is ending, even ones that aren't Newtypes.
>Glemy is slightly disturbed.

>>137365636

That wasn't Amuro, that miracle was brought you to the letter T.
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>>137365378
Don't think you're giving Quattro Char enough credit there. He finally gets to fight for a cause he believes in, and eventually lead that cause. I recall him kicking a lot of ass throughout, all the way to the finale where he fights Haman and Scirocco at the same time. His feud with Haman is a great subplot. His rivalry with Amuro, making fun of him staying on Earth. He was a mentor figure to Kamille. That speech in Dakar was all him being charismatic.

I'm pretty damn sure he killed plenty of people, just no major characters.
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>>137365597
>his newtype flash is so powerful is creates a demon of hate that makes people afraid of him
Haven't seen that since Dozel.
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>>137365695
>He finally gets to fight for a cause he believes in

Yeah he accomplished so much by knocking out Jamitovs plans

oh wait he just shot himself in the foot.
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Pick one.
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>>137365732
Dozle*
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To this day I still don't know how people can like ZZ over Zeta.
Zeta is probably the best thing to come out of Gundam, apart from ∀.
I don't hate ZZ, but I can not grasp how people find it better than Zeta.
It puzzles me.
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>>137365771
It's cool to not like Zeta these days.
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>>137365751
I guess you just can't reason with men whose souls are weighed down by gravity.
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>>137365788
Marida had a hard life
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>>137365822
How did this Happen.
Just a few years ago, everyone hated on ZZ.
People must be trying to be contrarian.
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>>137363698
>Why do we like UC again?
I don't know about you gogg-fuckers, but I'm here in UC for the HGUC kits and more Zakus.
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>>137365916
People actually watched the show instead of getting their opinions from MAHQ.
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>>137365827

He literally shot himself in the foot and made a complete utter clown out of himself in the context of CCA.

Jamitov comes of as fucking humane

Scirocco was right Char was nothing but a degenerate that needed to be culled.
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>>137365636

Sure, he could've. Psycoframe is ridiculous and he's a stronger newtype than Amuro. A number of people could've been the focal point.

>>137365661

Everyone who sensed it were newtypes.

>>137365732

Dozle wasn't a newtype, that was just Amuro's perception of his will.
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>>137363769
>lots of raisins
>>why do you like Gundam garbage?
I...I don't know. Why am I here?
Why are we discussing it if we all hate it?
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>>137364980
Do you mean Elpe Ple?

How the fuck would you even pronunce Ple?
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>>137366151
"Pleh" is what I get.
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>>137366151

It's pronounced as Pull.
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>>137365827

the only thing being weighted down is Reccoa's vagina from pappys semen
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>>137366151
Bandai handled the dubbing of the shows they made, and they said that in english Puru is said as Pull. They used that in Unicorn.

Only Dynasty Warriors Gundam left it untranslated as Puru.
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>>137365827
>>137365695

People cared for this NTR lord in Zeta?
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>>137358340
Yes. Maybe even worse. Still has those great 80s character designs though. And the this OP is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNjf0OeMCkA
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>>137366335

It's not NTR when him and Reccoa mutually disliked each other.
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>>137366371
>they slept with each other in the novels,define and kissed in ANT

Yeah ok chump he got ntred..
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>>137365771
Waifus are way better.
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>>137366416
>Judau is the natural evolution of Kamille, just as he was a better Amuro

Gundam MC hierarchy established boys!
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>>137366407
>He couldnt please Reccoa

pfff buahaha
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>>137366416
Jewdough is the pinnacle of human evolution.
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>>137366407
>the novels

Oh so Amuro getting killed by a random zeek is canon now?
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>>137366881
The weird little manga with Uso/Victory and Grey Stoke said so. I mean, he gets to be the grandpa of a new Newtype human civilization centuries into the future.
At which point they'll all continue fighting again, just in a different place and time, because we all know Newtypes aren't any less likely to be conniving, murderous bastards is Char and various other Newtypes are any indication.
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>>137366954

Are you dyslectic or something did you continue reading on?
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>>137367019

My point is you can't use the novels as canon for anything because shit that happens in them blatantly doesn't happen in the shows.
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>>137367067
>kissed in ANT

Are you legitimately dyslectic?
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>>137367108

No, and the word is dyslexic. I'm just pointing out the first thing you said is irrelevant.

and I ignore ANT because it prevents ZZ and CCA from happening.
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>>137367067
>My point is you can't use the novels as canon for anything because shit that happens in them blatantly doesn't happen in the shows.


thats not how japanese medium work
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>>137367157

Yeah, it works by whatever Sunrise says, goes. And according to Sunrise, the only "official" works are the ones animated or stuff they say make exceptions for like Crossbone or MSV.
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>>137367222
>works are the ones animated


Ok so ANT and Gundam the Origin is canon, my point still stands.
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>>137367282

Canon and Official are not the same thing. Canon in Gundam is irreversibly fucked because literally everything is canon due to Turn A, even the stuff that blatantly contradicts the other stuff and thus is impossible from any logical standpoint. Official means they use the suits from it.
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>>137366960

I liked that it showed Judau learned how to control his powers and could use telepathy effortlessly.

>>137365517

Kamille's the only living newtype that combined his power with another person like the ghosts did AND he did it from thousands of miles away. And despite making Haman shit her pants, she was able to block Judau and friends' powered up Hi-Mega Cannon on her lonesome.
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>>137367358

Then he got ntrd in the ZETA ANT continuation does not really change anything.
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>>137366335
Literally nobody cares about Reccoa. Char was just going with the flow when the slut kissed him.
Zeta Char's true love did get away from him though, poor guy.
All that time raising Mineva was wasted.
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>>137367416

I don't see why you care about that. This is a guy who for like 12 years couldn't get over a girl that wanted to be with Amuro before he killed her.
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>>137367464
He wanted Amuro
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>Char fags on damage control
>no matter where goes he gets ntrd even in CDA
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>>137366335
Sorry if he is not as deep and multifaceted of a character as your husbando Scirocco.
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>>137367580
>CDA
The thing where he drops Haman's ass?
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>>137367464
>a girl that wanted to be with Amuro
Was that really the case? I thought Lalah loved Char, but she had a far deeper emotional connection to Amuro through their Newtype abilities than Char could give (or honestly muster; he's just always too selfish and egotistical to really let down his emotional barriers, if he has any beneath his sociopathy).
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>>137367611
>Char

But that's a pedophile guys.
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>>137367503

YOU BELONG TO ME
I BELONG TO YOU
WE BELONG TO EARTH

I wish I had the pic of those faces they made in CCA when in the cockpits
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Jupiter has Mobile Suit Strippers yeah,

What does Side 3 have again?

Exactly nothing
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>>137367666

Pedos were able to run wild under Char's leadership.
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Guys, I feel like I'm about to do something wicked.
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>>137368027
>>137368027
You are going to this dank concert?
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Watch Turn A instead

>has the best girl
>has the best trap
>has the best Gundam
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He did nothing wrong!
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2016 and Crossbone still does not look like this.
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Shitposting aside what are you guys watching?
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ZZ >>>>>>>>>>>> Zeta
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>>137370438
Come in, bro.
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