>>137338751 >>137338763 long-run "comfy" romance about a guy who semi-accidentally wishes for an angel to be his girlfriend... eventually it turns out that their relationship has been 100% platonic since heaven lobotomized his sex drive out of his brain and that she knew and never said anything the entire time.
>>137338481 >>137338751 >>137338763 Copypasta from archives. I haven't watched this anime either yet. amg was a 25 year running series about a guy who had a goddess move in with him. They never fucked. they never kissed. They never held hands. Everyone assumed it was because the author was just being cutesy and it worked, but in the final arc it was revealed that humans and gods arent allowed to fuck so at the very begining of the series, belldandy tricked the mc and cast a spell on him to remove all his sexual desires but still love her unconditionally. Then her two sisters moved in and they basically mooched off him for 25 years.
>Faggot met Belldandy cuz he wants a girl at his side >Belldandy cast the shitty cockblock spell to erase any kind of sexual desire towards her >25 years of fucking shit, slutty goddess and more cockblocking >Belldandy knows that shit all the time and MC is a fucking cuck >They end married
Why they ended married and shit? isn't supposed they cannot do that shit? I mean MC would never consumate the marriage by fucking her while thanks to the spell he cant fuck anyone else too right?
manga Belldandy brainwashed Keiichi anime Belldandy lost her powers and unintentionally causes acts of God every time she sees Keiichi kissing a girl or being groped by a girl
manga Belldandy is a perfect demon who can do no wrong and didn't need Keiichi in her life anime Belldandy is a brainwashed angel with PTSD issues and needed Keiichi to stop her from destroying the heavens and the Earth
>>137339241 >Wait wasn't Urd tying to get him laid since she was first introduced? or was the whole trying every damn aphrodisiac thing an anime only thing? Retroactively it is meant to be Urd trying to help him as much as she is able, but was not legally allowed to tell him what happened.
>>137339653 >Well why the fuck didn't they tell him "hey we can grant your wish but you can't ever have sex or have sexual desires again because fuck you" Your mistake is assuming that Heaven give a damn about the feelings of mere mortals.
>>137338841 >He deserved it for wishing for a perfect girlfriend. Everything has to balance out. Get a girlfriend like everyone else does. You got that wrong. He was given a wish BECAUSE they needed to balance things out. He was a good man who had bad luck all his life, the wish is meant to BE the balance. He was permitted to ask to be wealthy, they outright said it. The wish wasn't free, it was suppose to be a REWARD.
>>137339921 In fact, in a later chapter he deliberately tried to call the wish hotline and got in. Urd said this was not suppose to be possible. I like to think it is because he still hadn't got his karma balanced due to the secret mind control. So that was why he was still qualified for another wish.
>>137340194 >They had no choice, it was rule free. They trusted him enough to give him whatever he wanted. What ended up happening was they they added secret rules without telling him. It is quite literally contract fraud. Even Satan is more trustworthy than these bastards.
>>137340255 >She was always by his side. He got exactly what he asked her. That's genie/devil talk. Gods are suppose to be better than that. And that's the irony, because the Devils in the franchise was repeatedly shown to be much more honest creatures than gods.
To be more exact, bell and K1 DID kiss and hold hands. But only in the beginning. And they kissed like once (not counting "administrating oral medicine bs"). Hell, the only character K1 has kissed fewer times is skuld (yes, that excludes tamiya and his freaking sister even).
>>137338176 >>137338176 Belldandy's dad was burthurt because he failed the first ever love test which is why he had to divorce Satan.
Combined with the tragic ending of another inter species relationship down below on Earth, his burthurt was enough to convince the other gods to make a rule that humans can never go beyond platonic love with a god.
Belldandy did not make the rules. Her father helped make the rules.
>>137340495 >Look, he asked for her to be by his side and got it. Fans think that means he is owed sex and that's wrong. >Belldandy is like an employee. Is a boss entitled to sex with a female employee? Once again, you are thinking like a genie/devil. The gods were meant to reward K1 for his good acts, they are not suppose to screw him over so much out of it that he ended up STILL karma-deficit and is still eligible for 2nd wish. Gods are suppose to tell you whey they want to fuck you over, becaus even the Devil give you that curtsey.
>>137340628 >Does the MC become a cuck and nothing happened or does he steels his mind and became a hero of justice? K1, being the saint that he is, forgave Belldandy for her actions and permitted her to marry him.
Basically the entire arc was about crashing the gods down to earth, showing that they are not even remotely qualified to judge humanity, and that K1 is too good for Belldandy and she doesn't deserve him. But K1 lets her back in his life because he is better than gods, kinder than gods, and more forgiving than gods. Belldandy lost her position and had to wear the skirt from now on.
>>137340750 >Quit making up fake spoilers I fail to see how it is fake. The Heavens were shown to be entirely immoral and the reason Hell exists. Because Hell is where honesty and truth resides, while Heave is where hypocrisy and lies breed.
>>137340852 >Only until Belldandy's father and Satan had to break up, was Hell established. And we saw what each did to their domains. And how Heaven is a shithole that like to pretend no one is allowed to lie, and that was the biggest lie of all. Much like North Korea making shit up.
It's simple. Keichii is a great person, so he gets a wish from heaven. He wishes for Belldandy to stay by his side forever. Heaven basically has a rule that Humans and Gods cant mate, so additionally, Heaven's system also suppresses Keichii's lust.Cue 25 years of cute shenanigans.Near the end, it's revealed that Keichii's been cockblocked for years by Heaven, and something happens that his seal and his previous contact/wish with Belldandy is undone.His lust returns and he finds that he's almost agonizingly lusting for Belldandy. Heaven makes him and Belldandy pass a series of trials to prove that he's worthy of being married. He does pass. They get married. The end.
>>137340912 >And how Heaven is a shithole that like to pretend no one is allowed to lie, and that was the biggest lie of all.
Well 1st class goddesses aren't allowed to lie as per their license but all goddesses by their nature are incapable of telling certain truths. Which was why it was Hild revealing the magical eunuch shit to K1.
>>137341019 >Well 1st class goddesses aren't allowed to lie as per their license but all goddesses by their nature are incapable of telling certain truths. That's exactly what I mean. That they lied about not lying, they literally enforced compulsory lying into their legal system.
>>137338176 >forgive absofuckinglutely not This is why you don't get in love with long lived races like elves, goddesses and ayy lmaos. They're manipulative as fuck and see nothing wrong with wasting decades of a person's life just for their own selfish amusement.
Banish all non human "waifus"
>>137340975 >25 years of betrayal >not that dramatic. At least it wasn't 25 real years, I mean if it was 25 REAL years of an unseen force prolonging a relationship, milking it dry and going "lol its okay because they fuck at the end." I'd be pissed. Oh, wait. Fuck you.
>>137338176 I'm still not sure if any of the anger is genuine or just trolls and people repeating the arguments of trolls. Worst thing you can accuse her of is lying by commission. When the opportunity came up she broke the first contract to establish a new better one. How any of that leads to NTR in peoples minds I do not know.
>>137344785 Nah, its was near the end. Before Hild revealed the libido limiter, Belldandy had actually just ended the old contract and created a new one with no such limitations. I forgot the specifics but I think there was something about being in hell that allowed her to do it without somebody stopping her.
>>137344694 >Worst thing you can accuse her of is lying by commission. You don't get it. The problem isn't HER lying. The problem is that the ENTIRE HEAVEN is lying. It isn't Belldandy deciding to lie, but that the entire system of gods legally demanded that someone they deemed to be a good man and worthy of a reward, should be magically screwed in the worst way imaginable.
Belldandy isn't guilty of lying, she is guilty of still playing her role in a society that demanded that she lie. This control was so absolute, that when her conscience got the better of her, she could only undo the damage by making up an excuse to send both of them to hell, where they were safe from heaven's wraith for telling the TRUTH for once!
>>137345019 >And if this is what your angry about that's fine. I still don't get how this leads to NTR. It isn't NTR, but it IS betrayal. The emotional impact is the same, in that someone you trust had been deceiving you for literally years. What made it worse is that K1 could have a wife and family by now, if not for the wish that was suppose to be his reward. All this boills down to k1 being a good man, being screwed out of what he rightly deserved, just because he is a mortal and gods look down on him. And that the gods lost their entire justification to judge humanity when their entire system of law was unjust up the wazoo.
>>137340495 He asked for a girlfriend, for someone that would care for him and stay by his side. I don't think it's too much for him to eventually want to have sex later on in the future, it's not like he immediately asked for someone to suck his cock.
I don't get it, where is the good moral ending to this??
An angel tricks a man of good deed into 25 years of abstinence relationship though said nothing of harm, but the man was lied to when he himself did no wrong and only made the request. Is the man at fault for expecting to be given more? Or is the angel at fault for being deceptive? What is an angel that lies? Be it demon? What of the man if he had known of such trickery? Would he go mad? insane? What if the angel was not truthful? How do we know such things? He only wished for unconditional love, but what of her other actions? If angel gives love can it not lust? If lust is not given to man of kindness then where does it go too? Demons are honest yet only trade in soul and blood. Are Demons really the only truth tellers? Is the fear of ones delegations to love only one the reason we as mere mortals looked down on and tricked by angels as we see now, is this why we instead trade soul and blood with demon instead with demon for satisfy our darkest lusts? Who can we trust when both sides offer but lie on the end of the deal? Is our soul less than what we can barter for? Given our time on earth and the angels decree we are but mere tragedies for their own hilarity. If God would allow such a lie could it be a test? Or just a mere joke, is it a new path for us to tread to stray away from Hell's gates? Or is it merely a detour for our own judgement to walk the plains of oblivion in distraught confusion as we the mortal being try to find the cure that is love or lust? Truth or Lies? Who would show mercy in such cold actions shown upon us? If their is no sanctuary for the good, then how can there be redemption for the those that were damned?
>>137345246 >He asked for a girlfriend, for someone that would care for him and stay by his side. >I don't think it's too much for him to eventually want to have sex later on in the future, it's not like he immediately asked for someone to suck his cock. No one would have ANY problem with keeping it platonic, if she laid it out from the start. "Okay, but we can't have sex" is all she had to tell him. It would have been entirely justified.
The whole point is that it was all done in small print written in invisible ink. That it was a contract done under fraudulent conditions, and Belldandy KNOWS it.
Why else does she decided to cancel and redo the contract, without K1 knowing? She KNOWS it was wrong, she knew it was wrong all along, for years and years. And she was trying to reverse the damage without telling him, because she can't handle the guilt.
>>137345251 >25 years In universe I don't think it's even been 5 years. Besides in the end he marries the goddess, no limitations this time. And he becomes a god (refused the first offer but hinted that the offer will be made again).
If a 30 year old virgin gets wizard powers, then a god at less than that is a pretty damn good deal.
>>137345383 >If a 30 year old virgin gets wizard powers, then a god at less than that is a pretty damn good deal. He only got that deal because he had the moral superiority. If that is what a GOOD man had to deal with, as >>137345251 tried to say, then how screwed are everyone else?
That level of injustice levelled at a good man? I hate to see what cruel punishment the same heaven does to a man who once littered the side-walk as a child.
>>137345383 >Besides in the end he marries the the person who manipulated him for years. And he becomes the same kind of entity who used him for their own amusement (refused the first offer but hinted that the offer will be made again because there's no real way to refuse a God's offer).
So as a reward for being a good man despite being fate's butt-monkey, heaven plays the cruelest joke of all on him. Wow, thanks.
And everyone who supposedly cares about him is in on the gag. Hook that dagger up to a cordless drill, because we haven't twisted the knife enough yet.
And if we're being charitable, that all of heaven's various agents are under a compulsion not to reveal the truth, they have to unwillingly play along while they hurt a man they care about. What the hell did they do to deserve that?
Seriously Almighty, you remember how this whole project was supposed to be a POSITIVE thing? This is some pretty deep dark shit you've dropped a lot of good people into.
You sure you didn't get the Naughty and Nice lists mixed up and booked them for some divine wrath? 'Cause I'm not seeing how you could hurt them more. Sure you could just smite them and be done, but that won't make them suffer in anguish, like, oh, being part of a conspiracy of betrayal amongst friends and loved ones.
>>137345848 >People would think that the twist was a really clever subversion of expectations if it had been revealed sooner, rather than after twenty five years of people being emotionally invested. The manga didn't try very hard to hide it as a betrayal. It is deliberate that the Queen of Hell was the one who spilled the beans, as Belldandy herself was planning to fix everything under contrived circumstances in order to never having to confess to the wrong. Belldandy had to act like a demon, doing things against the rules and hiding in the depths of hell, in order to fix an injustice. That tells us all we need to know about how fucked Heaven is.
>>137346840 >But she should know that his sexual desires are removed so her approach was pointless from the start. His sexual desired are removed FOR BELLDANDY. He gets horny just fine for anyone else. The curse is specific to Belldandy, but he just couldn't fuck anyone else because Belldandy wouldn't allow it.
>>137338176 I didn't give the story a chance, when I found out I didn't, but when you hear some of the developments makes more realistic sense.
Although Keiichi would of never had the power to take advantage of a goddess the wrong way in the first place. It's like stranger danger by the system for allowing them to be together in the first place.
Ye little faith in man's ability to tame his weenie, fo shame heaven.
> Would you forgo, what was it, 5 years of sexual urges, to live the rest of your life with a Goddess?
I'd probably be a zen mofo if I stopped whacking off for a month
I never understood why there were so many NTR doujins of this series. Now i do, glad i never touched the series. It's mainly because of all the NTR doujins in the first place though they really ruined Belldandy for me.
>>137346684 >Peorth is allowed to have sex with mortals. The whole point is you are not suppose to have sex AND be in love, that is taboo. But Peorth was in love, and said she never forgot any of the lovers she had been with over the centuries.
Even if you view her as a subversive who wanted to improve Keichi's and Bell's relationship despite heaven's wishes, Peorth is a big outlier. If her mission was sex only, then why does she take Keichi on romantic dates or try to make him fall for her by using his friends, or a rescue scene? All this happened before she decided to personally help Belldandy.
If love and sex are forbidden together then why don't Urd's love potions (which trigger both romantic and erotic love) bring down the law?
Why does Skuld continually and violently cockblock K1 when she knows that it could never happen anyway?
There a few ways to implement the "sex vs love" or "restricted relationship" and the "no sexual desires" route sits with the clumsiest and most contradictory.
I don't see why everyone is so angry over it. Its not like he was being cockblocked, since that implies that he wanted to fuck her but couldnt. He simply never wanted to fuck her because of the spell. He still got the attention of a literal goddess. Its not like they didn't love each other or anything.
>>137352700 >He simply never wanted to fuck her because of the spell. Err... They literally took away his free will IN SECRET. For what was suppose to be a REWARD for a GOOD MAN. And Belldandy was so guilt-tripped by it that she ended up contrived to undo what was done entirely in secret, 5 years later, by lying about what they were doing in the depths of hell itself.
What really fucks me up about this is that AMG is such an old and influential series that even if you didn't read it, you can legitimately blame all the worthless beta harem MCs of today on what turned out to just be a colossal, fucked up ruse.
AMG was Japan's Calvin & Hobbes before the author decided to end it with a simple idea without contemplating the repercussions in any way. And of course it didn't matter if said idea destroyed the fanbase or the legacy of the series forever, because the idea was conceived to conclude the entire franchise.
The whole deal destroyed the franchise. If I was a corporation that owned the rights to it, I would be fucking pissed because all desire for future content is now dead. Fanbase is dead. Readership is dead. Forget about anniversaries. All of it is now junk status. This is one of those timeless Japanese examples for the absolute need for editorial control.
Most authors and writers in the LN/manga/anime industry only churn out ideas, and rarely or almost never think about story progression until it enters serial publication. So you have a core of industry writers who are strong at starting a series, but very weak at continuing or concluding a series.
>>137361660 I don't blame them, they have to specialize in writing hooks to draw people in. That way their manga or LN will be picked up for serialization. They're living in the now the way their industry works. They have no clue when they start if their ever going to have a need to build a true conclusion.
>>137349082 >I never understood why there were so many NTR doujins of this series. Same reason Okusan has nothing but NTR doujins. They circle like sharks around 'pure' cute romances, dreaming of them being ruined.
>>137338176 I never minded what she did in the first place. But that's only because I never actually liked her. She was always a sucky, boring character, the magic castration was the most interesting thing she ever did
How long have Joy Division been making doujins? And did they make any after the Revelation? I've never paid much attention to their stuff(I'm not into NTR or Belldandy), but I'm genuinely curious about how they reacted
>>137367411 >I consider it a "Monkey's Paw" wishes-have-unintended-consequences thing. Did K1 really think he was going to get a perfect goddess without a high price? Err... WHY should he pay a price? The wish was a REWARD! For being a GOOD MAN! What the fuck, you are saying you need to pay for your own reward?
>>137370334 And in fact, the fact that later he was able to call the wish hotline a second time, implied that his reward was unclaimed. The curse that was cast on him basically completely nullified the original wish, as such he was still in karma deficit and is still considered worthy of ANOTHER wish.
Its terms and conditions legality bullshit that did not belong in the story. They had a binding oral agreement with no parenthesis clauses attached, and then this bullshit twist pops up because the author is fucking done with AMG and couldn't give a single fuck about how this sudden bullshit twist retroactively turns a romcom into a dark comedy.
>>137338176 >ugh, this indecisive loser just said he wants a "girlfriend" like me >why couldn't he just ask to fuck me >like the rest of these losers do Belldandy did nothing wrong... the whore was obligated to live out her clients' fantasy
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