SHAFT vs KyoAni

Madhouse

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Silver Link.

Probably Kyoani.

Kyoani.

>>137337914
>Powerpoint vs Animation, which is better?

Shaft has made some good shows and some bad shows.

Kyoani has never made a good show.

Shaft wins by default.

>>137337914
I like Shaft better, desolate/weirdly designed environments are my thing.

Studio IMS

>>137338019
This so much.

Manglobe

>meme studios
Just kill you'reself

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Kyoani finds a way but then keeps losing it.

Shaft always finds a way; they just don't know what the destination is.

This year, /a/, go with the studio that at least knows how to move forward.

Shinbo 2016

>>137338199
Gatari is their only good series

No fuck you nigger

Oranges > Apples > * > shit > watermelons

>>137338322

I disagree but even if you do think that, that's still one more than KyoAni has ever had.

They are both garbage but Shaft at least made SZS which I thought was pretty creative for its time.

>>137338355
I honestly don't know how a person could not find a single enjoyable series in the entirety of Kyoani's library.

>>137337914
KyoAnus have never made a good show.

Sunrise.

Madhouse, probably. I dunno.

>>137338402
Lucky Star.

It was all downhill after that.

>>137338545
>posting worst

You're doing it on purpose, right?

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Both have made good shows but I like Shaft better.

I like the head tilts and the pretentious art direction and the edginess. I honestly enjoy them.

And I think Shaft girls are cuter.

>>137338322
>arakawa
>SZS
>not good
i don't think you know what you're talking about

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>>137338322
>Gatari
>good

The only consensus that seems to ever show up in these threads is:

>Shaft
Better at interesting direction

>Kyoani
Better at high quality and consistent animation

Kyoani is clearly better, but I like more of SHAFT's shows.

>Shaft
>Sangatsu no Lion, the best anime of 2016
>Kyoani
>chuuni battle harem named Phantom Shit

Easy.

Both only create anime that is sufficient, never anything groundbreaking.

>>137338845
That's because Kyoani makes like a few shows a year if even.

KyoAni, no contest.

>>137339074
Doesn't matter what the reason is. Shaft doesn't do it so your point is completely irrelevant.

Plus, I find it hard to believe that any/every studio could have animation as good as kyoani if they just brought down their number of shows/year.

>>137338979
Literally no one cared for 3gatsu before the anime was announced. Koe no Katachi will win best anime of 2016.

>shaft: occasionally does stuff outside the comfort zone
>kyoani: nope

shaft is better, still shit tho.

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>>137339239
Oh yeah, science fiction/supernatural, and ehh, more science fiction and supernatural. Also yearly seasons of Hidamari, Bake, SZS and yearly Madoka movies. Oh and Aniplex publishing every time. Truly a studio that steps out of their comfort zone very often.

>>137337914
Shaft

>>137339316
>yearly seasons of Hidamari
If only.

Kyo may have superior production budget but they can make a good show for the sake of it, hell most of their source material are terrible/ mediocre

any studio can make a visually good show if they have the money, but it needs a GOOD studio to make a show when budget is limited

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>>137339019
Please go back in time and convince your parents to get that abortion they debated.
They both rule

>>137337914
Absolute Madhouse

>>137339455
>badhouse
>one good show in years (OPM) and its staff was mostly freelancers
More like absolute shit

>>137339394
>any studio can make a visually good show if they have the money
Kyoani shows do not have larger budgets than other shows.

>>137339453
Explain yourself. Name something that either studio has made that appears outside of your precious meme websites.

>>137337914
Monogatari is an abortion.

KyoAni hands down. I don't even like them but at least some of their shows are watchable.

Gee whiz, anon-kun, which studio did Urobochi Gen write an original series that contended for an Oscar?

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As studios, they're both past their prime.
SHAFT is coasting on the popularity of two franchises that are guaranteed to end in the foreseeable future.
Kyoani's cash cows are dead and buried, and their seasonal attempts at capturing lightning in a bottle are getting worse and worse.

In ten years they'll both have gone the way of Gainax.

>>137339316
>yearly Madoka movies

They've made more Nisekoi material than Madoka by this point (unfortunately).

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>>137339723
I want you to have a good day, anonymous!

Also please don't rape and suicide murder me.

Or make an anime about a dead girl.

>>137339723
>monogatari is the only show shaft has ever made

>>137339817
This. All things fall apart. Pierrot used to be one of Japan's top studios (they did the first seasons of Urusei Yatsura).

>>137339949
The rest is all worse.

>>137339198
Fuck you, I cared.

Kyoani was a pioneer in high quality animation during the turn of century.
Too bad most other studio has caugh up.

>>137339965
Your public school reading list is showing.

>>137339316
>ripping off Ikuhara
God damn it, I know it's supposed to make me mad, but I still can't suppress it.

>>137339949
That and Madoka. Even the studio wants to forget their other works. Hell they even named their 40th anniversary event Madogatari.

>>137340033
Wait, so the late 2000s are the turn of the century but the mid 2010s aren't?

>>137339316
Monogatari is the only one of those that's had a new installment in the last two years.

>>137340012
Are you pretending KyoAni made Madoka?

KyoAni made Nichijou. But Japan wasn't having any of that.

>>137340033
No other studio has managed to be as consistent as KyoAni in terms of good production values.

>>137339965
>Pierrot fall apart
they made the best selling anime of 2015 and naruto is still a really profitable franchise

>>137340154
No, they're saying that Monogatari is better than Madoka. I agree.

>studiowars

>>137340154
Madoka is shock value garbage. Nichijou is an underrated masterpiece ahead of its time. And I'm not baiting. This is what I believe.

>>137338845
Shaft hasn't had a well-directed show for a long time until Kizumonogatari.

>>137340154
The only good thing about Madoka was how much butthurt it generated on /a/.

Show was garbage, fampai.

>>137340237
>ahead of its time
I agree Nichijou is good, but what? It's a comedy SOL with good animation. There's nothing avant-garde about it.

>>137340243
Basically every Monogatari has good direction. Not all of them have top-tier, but none of them have average or worse.

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This'll shut the KyoAni fags up.

>>137340237
nichijou is overrated shit, how people find it fun is beyond me.

>>137340305
A pioneer in popularizing the cgdct genre along with K-On.

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>>137340309
le random humor
UNEXPECTED ><D

>>137340304
Most of the directing in the series is merely over indulgent tripe trying to ape Bakemonogatari's style. It feels like a gimmick quite quickly.

>>137340067
Are you implying they don't? Because it's very fucking clear they do.

>>137340391
It's more of gag/physical humor but the best of its kind.

Shaft is a good studio.

>>137340359
>K-On

You would have been better off name dropping Euphonium.

Shaft made Madoka while KyoAni hasn't made a single masterpiece.

>>137337914
I jack off to more KyoAni, so they get my vote

>>137337914
Production I.G.

>>137340305
Lucky Star was another true masterpiece by Kyoto Animation. It scared off people with shit taste by starting out with what appeared to be a pointless conversation about how to eat certain foods.

True patricians realized that this wasn't merely a conversation about which end of a choco-cornet was the head, but a allegory for society in general.

Lucky Star is one of those rare masterpieces where even the most seasoned anime expert must take care to watch it multiple times to fully understand the work. You're clearly a plebeian who dropped the show after the highbrow conversation in the first episode flew astronomically far over your head.

>>137340481
Madoka is nowhere near masterpiece status. KyoAni has made 3 masterpieces in fact. Nichijou, Disappearance and Hyouka.

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>>137340519
>nichijou
>not garbage
Pick one

>>137340623
Madoka is not a masterpiece regardless of what Kyoani has made.

>>137340661
I agree, I wasn't that anon, I just think nichijou was awful

>>137340519
They'll still be making Madoka threads 20 years from now.

Will anyone besides nostalgiafags remember Hyouka 20 years from now?

>>137340714
Can you see the future?

>>137340734
You can't believe that more people talk about Hyouka than they do Madoka.

Kyoani is nice but too bad they keep on adapting crap.

Why are kyoani fags so stubborn, they act all superior as if kyoani has never made shit shows, in fact they only have shows ranging from mediocre to good with nothing original to be found and if someone calls them on their shit they get all defensive. kyoani fags are truly the cancer killing anime and /a/.

>>137340734
Yes.
Kyoani vs. SHAFT is old and busted.
Everyone shitposts about Dogakobo and Silver Link now.

>>137339198
No one would care about Koe no Katachi if it's not Kyoani.

>>137340797
Even their worst shows are completely watchable and usually have at least one or two really fantastic aspects. Their best are genuine masterpieces.

Kyoani's golden age: 2006-10
Shaft's golden age: 2009-13
PA Works' golden age: 2011-14
Deen's new golden age: 2016-?

>>137340845
KnK was huge here on /a/ when it was being serialized. I never saw a single 3gatsu thread before the anounce!ment. Which is weird since Shaft is usually the one who adapts already popular sources.

>>137340797
Lately they're just bitter about Phantom World bombing.

But hey, for all their rivalry with PA Works, they both have a good/bad pattern. Kyoani should find their way again with Silent Voice.

>>137339453
The only thing Kyoani has ruled lately is the trash bin.

>>137340890
Koe no Katchi is only a cute, sad story in the one shot. Everything past it is a cash grab, hence the shoddy ending.

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>>137340797

>nothing original

Not so much the case today but Kyoani pioneered some methods, tropes, genres, archetypes that other studio still beat the dead horse with. You are ignorant of that because you are a newfag.

>>137341486
>Not so much the case today

So in other words they're has-beens.

>>137337914
>Kizumonogatari vs Kyoukai no Kanata Movie
KyoAni wins, shaft cant animate for shit.

>>137339394
>any studio can make a visually good show if they have the money,
Then why cant shaft? They have plenty

>>137339198
>mediocre series
>IT'LL BE BEST ANIME BECAUSE KYOANI
Just stop.

>people bring Monogatari as example of good shaft show
>Katanagatari was 10 times better

>>137341914
I'd say they make visually good shows, just not with (consistently) good/impressive animation.

>>137341915
They've already done it multiple times.

>>137341939
Katanagatari isn't Shaft you idiot.

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>>137340033
>Too bad most other studio has caugh up.
Name one. Only PA Works come to mind and they are nowhere near KyoAni in consistency. The rest cant even produce more than one well animated episode per season - Deadhouse and Bonned the prime example.

Sunrise and JC Staff can given budget, but they never do.

Shaft is cool and innovative, Kyoani recycles same designs and high school setting for years. Choice is obvious.

>>137341973
>Katanagatari isn't Shaft you idiot.
Thats the point, you idiot?

Bakemonogatari adaptation is shit, especially if you read the novels. It brings litterally nothing new in terms of visuals and direction if you watched superior Moonphase already, its shit at adapting LN material and Nishio writing, looks worse and overal less faithful in style than even Medaka Box by Deadnax.

Random new studio did a superior work with worse Nisio novel, than Shaft did with his flagman. Whats worse, now all shaft shows are "monogatari-light" reusing exact same things to attract new-fa(g)ns that at this shit.

>>137341973
>They've already done it multiple times.
I don't read LNs, but K-On! is the only manga or VN adaptation they've done that was great with mediocre source. And they haven't made a single great thing in years.

>>137341997
You made this exact same claim in another thread, and as I said there, Bones hasn't had a QUALITY-heavy show since Chaika. They are more than capable of producing a consistently well-animated series.

>>137342052
>And they haven't made a single great thing in years.
Hibike was last year anon.

>>137341973
So do you expect literally everything KyoAni does to be incredible, or what?

>>137340254
Shows writing is garbage (why Urobutcher has any fanbase to speak is riddle, he`s a hack), where 70% of show could be thrown out as its shit - the show itself was nice thanks to Inu Curry art though. Since then many tried to emulate this surreal look (even this season in Luck and Logic and KyoAni Phantom World alternative world episodes) and failed.

>>137342090
Hibike was mediocre high school melodrama that failed to make the conflicts feel like they actually mattered.

>>137340714
>They'll still be making Madoka threads 20 years from now.
Madoka is already dead, Hyouka becomes more refined with every year - thats difference between random FOTM garbage and real quality CLASSIC

>>137342113
How did it fail? I thought it did a fantastic job of getting you invested in the characters before dropping the hard melodrama.

>>137342052
>And they haven't made a single great thing in years.
Last years's Kyoani was better than any SHAFT show ever.

>>137342126
>Madoka already dead
You haven't seen the new promos, I presume?

>>137340797
The only SHIT shows KyoAni did was Munto, you likely did not even watch it (ironically since KyoAni attempted to fix it TRICE) - and even that was still a beutiful animation with many redeeming qualities.

Practically any other KyoAni show, is still above absolute rest of competition in terms of production consistency and love for detail, direction and authentity - even financial flops like Nichijou, Tamako Market. The one people dislike the most of recent time, KnK - still is animated better than all Shaft shows combined and has good movie.

KyoAni produces classic, that all become better with time as good wine and age well - they grow with time, in opposite to the rest that gets forgotten.

Theres not a single throwaway/filler show unlike other studio in their portfolio - every is still relevant later and every is signature of their quality work they`d be not ashamed of to show to next generations.

Kyoani (over)animates well but they can't write for shit, and they keep picking abysmal stories.

>>137340941
What Rivalry with PA Works? PA Works is viewd favorably, but its not KyoAni equal. At best its an apprentice on a right path.

This season sadly shows they still have long way to go.

>>137338164
Depends. What is the project that you are working on?

not this shit again.

>>137342131
It was full of relatively minor things being treated like they were the biggest deal in the world, both by the characters and by the presentation of the show. High schoolers take minor shit seriously, I get it, but if you just show us that so bluntly, my impulse is to dismiss them or maybe give them pity/sympathy, not to get seriously invested in their melodrama. Not to mention you have people refusing to believe the main characters were straight because their relationship's depiction was so just far over-the-top for how a youthful friendship would usually be treated.

>>137342270
>(over)animates
Nice buzzword.

>>137342256
>animated better than all Shaft shows combined
What does this even mean? Is animation quality cumulative?

>>137342270
KyoAni's complete failure in the writing department baffles me. Don't they hold contests or some dumb shit like that to get material? Why is everything they make so poorly written?

Also their recent love of chromatic aberration hurts my eyes.

>>137342353
I mean, if you refuse to invest yourself in a show, of course you aren't going to like it. I don't think you can really blame Kyoani for that.

>>137342090
I liked Euphonium, but it wasn't "great". KyoAni really has been dropping the ball in past years though, what with Tamako Market, Kyoukai no Kanata, and Phantom World. It's been 4 years at best since their last "great" show (if you count Hyouka. I'd say 5 years, but I'm aware that disliking Hyouka is apparently abnormal).

Not that Shaft's doing much better. They've just been milking Monogatari for that time and it's getting kinda old. I fully expect years of trash similar to what KyoAni's been doing recently after Monogatari finishes. Shaft's got it worse though, KyoAni's pretty colors seem to do wonders in distracting people from how terrible they've been recently.

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Studio sunrise, you fucking mongloids

>>137342377
Sometimes not everything needs to move in a scene. Sometimes minimal movement is key.

If you don't believe overanimation is a thing, go watch some Don Bluth.

>>137342052
>, Bones hasn't had a QUALITY-heavy show since Chaika
Akagami. I love the show and i love the manga and overall find the adaptation acceptable, but bones litterally in first season wasted budget for 1st OAV like episode in nice quality, leaving the rest poorer and at times with QUALITY. 2nd season is similar, where they concentrate budget on select episodes (like the kidnap ark now) leaving rest poor. And to that there are complains of them simplifying and not able to adapt manga designs/costums in apropriate quality too. Imagining how this show would look in KyoAni hands makes one sad.

Noragami had the same issues though some fancy combat animation.

BBB was high profile show and overall ok, though run out of steam near end to pick up at finale (delayed forever)

Show By Rock had not much QUALITY, but not much quality either, not even mentioning poor cgi.

Cant say about ConRevo since dropped it after few eps.

Bones can do great things, but aside from their highest profile/budget shows (Dandy, BBB) most actually suffer from inconsistent quality (and even Dandy did at some points).

Tbh, at this point i`d even preffer A-1 and big aniplex budget, than Bones.

>>137342422
Why do you assert Hibike wasn't great?

>>137342430
Which Kyoanus will be (re)merged with by this Christmas.

>>137342256
>All KyoAni shows are masterpieces because they look pretty
Ok but for those of us with IQs that aren't in the double digits we require something more substantial than just pretty colors.

>>137342419
I'm not saying I'm actively refusing to get invested, I just don't get invested. I don't really feel the tension or drama in something like kids complaining about their teachers unless you make a serious effort to sell it to me as something more than just kids complaining, and here it didn't feel like anything greater than that.

>>137342417
I don't know about their recent stuff but I thought the "kyoani'd" ending of chuu2 was an improvement

s-season 3 when ;_; it's been 10 years... please

>>137342422
Nobody talks shit about Hyouka anymore because it put everyone to sleep and they all promptly forgot it existed. I think you have to have a certain level of familiarity with a show to even know where to begin shitting on it, and that can't happen when the first few episodes are like visual ambien. That's probably why every Hyouka thread turns into an obnoxious circlejerk. Granted, I don't think Hyouka is that bad, but it does have all this shit that really annoys me so I can't say I care much for it either.

What has SHAFT been doing recently? I kind of fell off the Monogatari wagon. The last random SHAFT show I remember was Koufuku Graffiti, which was so weird I kind of liked it.

>>137342236
Aniplex can try to milk it, but no matter the sequels - it`ll never be the new PreCure. Already movies shown the interest to franchize is dead and it was one shot wonder - fanbase can circlejerk over the characters while more, but expanding this setting is futile. Restarting it in different setting would not bring it same popularity, since it`s never will be surprise it once was again.

>>137342523
Learn English.

>>137342422
>hibike
>chuu2 s1
>amaburi
>not at least good or great
Just because they haven't had a Hyouka level show these last years doesn't mean they've been doing terrible.

Is there even any studios around that still have the guts to do loli service, or did the KyoAni standard get everywhere?
Because sure as hell SHAFT isn't doing it anymore either.

I know SL did some nice OVAs, but the third Illya series itself was quite bad fanservice wise.

>>137342559
Reread that post and try to find the spot where he says they've been doing terribly or haven't made any good shows. I bet you can't, because it's not there.

>>137342591
Do you count Tsukihi or Doll as lolis?

>>137342507
What would the show have had to do to make you invested? The reason for complaining is well explained. The complaining doesn't even happen until well over halfway through the show. Before that it's mostly just slice of life moments and Kumiko mulling over her place with the band and music in general. Do you just find mundane problems uninteresting in general?

>>137342591
I don't remember them ever stopping.

>>137342606
>Tsukihi
No.
>Doll
Yes. Feet service is not my thing though, and nothing that needs guts to do since it doesn't show anything that's normally lewd.

>>137339799
>series that contended for an Oscar
1) movie
2) submitted for nomination but not nominated

>>137342270
>Kyoani (over)animates
They actually dont. They spread the animation evenly and consistently, while not using more budget than others (and often having that animable unable to rival actual great sakuga from other shows).
>but they can't write for shit
Now this is a lie, since while their source material of some shows is weak - their "writing" i.e. in this case direction and attention to details, nuanced touches, body language i.e. ability to transmit words and characters to emotion and empathy is superb and above all others. They are masters of taking trivial thing and "writing" it to be an emotional experience. So if anything, but KyoAni scriptwriting is superb and of little contest in industry. The stories they pick though indeed are matter of taste and not always best ones, but they do with what they have.

>>137342625
Nisemono was the last time they did any explicit loli fanservice, so yeah, they stopped.

Shaft is a thinking man's studio.
Kyoani for casuals obsessed with nice drawings and "at least girls are cute xDD"

>>137342430
>supporting the jew

>>137342664
Didn't Kofuku Graffiti have the little girl and a bunch of bathing scenes? Granted, it wasn't hardcore loliservice with bandaided crotches, but that was the nature of the show.

>>137342684
>he watches anime
>doesn't appreciate good animation

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>>137342688
There was one bath scene, full of steam though.
And biggest disappointment is, the steam stayed for BDs.

>>137342730
You're right, that is disappointing. SHAFT is losing their touch. Or the director for that show isn't as much for loliservice, either way.

>>137342730
She was sucking on that dripping white popsicle quite lewdly though.

>>137342684
>Shaft
>thinking man
How?

Any thinking man would have been fed up with SHAFT after watching 3 its shows max, seeing it being insult to his intellect and constant rehash of same techniques. And any intellegent man would be offended by SHAFTs horrible adaptation of Nishio`s writing and diminishing great novels to Pornogatari with BLACK SCREENs.

>>137342614
> Do you just find mundane problems uninteresting in general?
Not always, but if they're presented so seriously and straightforwardly (not as excuses to display something else, but as drama in their own right), then yes, that's a hard sell for me. I think the easiest way to make them work, though I'm not saying it's the only one, is to have the characters treat them seriously but not to give the scenes such dramatic presentation. You sort of acknowledge that it's trivial but invite the audience to listen to the characters' trivial concerns, instead of selling it as something really important.

> The complaining doesn't even happen until well over halfway through the show. Before that it's mostly just slice of life moments and Kumiko mulling over her place with the band and music in general
Oh, I'm not saying the complaining ruined the whole show, I just grabbed it as the first example that came to mind of the drama not working for me.

>>137342754
True, but I'm not exactly talking about implications, just straight out fanservice.

>>137340886

>Deen's new golden age: 2016-2016
Even Post-Trigger Gainax made one good show.

>>137342769
>Any thinking man would have been fed up with KyoAni after watching 3 its shows max, seeing it being insult to his intellect and constant rehash of same techniques.
Ftfy

>>137342789
DEEN made two at once, and if they don't fuck up Sakamoto, then we're inaugurating a king.

>>137342270
The success of Lucky star and K-On make them think that they can turn any shit source into cashcow. Too bad Nichijou is too shit .

>>137342806
Name 3 "same" KyoAni shows

>>137342783
The show is about a teenage girl and her teenage friends. Shouldn't the show present the issues as they would appear to the main characters? Do you just want it to show the events of the show how you would see them?

>>137342614
Not that guy, but I think mundane problems should be treated mundanely. Most slice-of-life anime handle it like that, where life's little everyday problems are given focus and used to develop characters or relationships, but treated with a little levity. Melodrama with silly little problems is irritating. It's like watching self-abosrbed teenage girls who think the world is ending because of something stupid. I can't help but look down on it.

>>137342828
>Too bad Nichijou is too shit .

>>137342417
They still haven't released an anime of the the first piece to actually win an award in their contest.

>>137342482
>>137342559
I do think Euphonium was good, but I just don't think it was all that amazing. It's another anime with a highschool setting, with problems we've seen how many times before? It's nothing special, but that doesn't mean it's bad. Amaburi was also good.

>>137342606
To be fair, I did say KyoAni was doing poorly recently. Hibike and Amaburi aren't bad, but recently KyoAni's upside seems to be simply good (which isn't a bad thing, being consistently good but not great would be fine) but their downside is pretty awful.

>>137342518
That about sums up my thoughts on Hyouka. I remember disliking the two main characters and thinking the mysteries were incredibly boring. It would be hard to actually discuss what made it bad without rewatching it, and that's not worth the effort.

In the same timeframe, Shaft's been pretty average outside of Monogatari (which sells well, but I feel like it's not as good as the earlier seasons). They've made Mekakucity Actors, Nisekoi, and Sasami-san in that time (besides Koufuku Graffiti and Monogatari). I thought the first was average, and Nisekoi is pretty bad. I completely forgot Sasami-san existed until I looked up what shaft shows I've watched recently.

>>137342820
I dont trust Deen. See Kore Zombie 2 and Sankarea. Great start but turn to pure shit at the season end

>>137342889
I thought they were notorious for not awarding grand prizes and then making anime without paying out like a bunch of cunts.

Eupho was garbage.

>>137342828
Nichijou was paid by Kadokawa so KyoAni hardly is at loss with it. Tamako while originally not too popular, actually gains traction with time being all ages show people buy to their kids, as well Movie raising its value a lot.

Hyouka is best TV anime of all times.
KnK actually sold ok and movie finale was good too.
Hibike was success by all means, especially considering the music, merch sales and Yamaha deal.
Phantom world promotes the LNs and they released 2 new PW LNs at same time to gain from it.

There is not a single flop that would affect them financionally, and Free! was a nice cash cow.

The fact is their bussiness model works and they are doing better than ever, expanding new office and doing multiple high profile projects at once.

>>137342858
> Shouldn't the show present the issues as they would appear to the main characters
No, that should not be a rule. That's a really limiting idea. A show's presentation does not have to mimic the characters' perception. If I made a show about an eight-year-old marketed towards adults, I would not treat having the TV turned off as a serious violation of human rights, at least not without my tongue in my cheek.

>>137342940
>Hyouka
>best
Too fat, try again.

>>137342888
Nichijou is more comedy than SOL and Kyoani is suck at it.

>>137342889
Violet Evergarden is comming. And hopefully it will be their magnum opus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzuDMHMYxY

>>137342863
This is a good way of putting it, thank you.

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After ChuuS2 I stopped watching Kyoani shows

Has their anime been that bad? Or are the expectations just high?

>>137342977
>fucking ugly old hag with droopy eyes
Yeah, no.

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>>137342828
>hating on nichijou
I'm sorry your /a/ membership is revoked, please return your membership card and keychain within 3 days

>>137342959
>ADHD

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Both have their good and bad points, both are better than most other studios.

Shaft has better girls, KyoAni has more likable MCs.

Shaft has better aesthetic designs where as KyoAni has much better animation.

KyoAni is better quality but Shaft has more interesting stories and characters.

Overall I enjoy both and don't think either is more superior to the other.

>>137342977
>Violet Evergarden is comming.
That's why I used "released" rather than "made."

>>137343004
>hating robot waifus
fuck off

>>137342863
The solo situation isn't an everyday little problem though. It's three years of work and expectation amounting to nothing over a rule change. That's discouraging stuff, no matter how old you are, and the possibility of nepotism made the whole thing even worse.

>>137342954
You're right, it shouldn't be a rule. But Hibike isn't nearly that far of a stretch.

>>137342919
It has to be a scam or else they'd have authors sending better manuscripts. Kyoani arbitrarily deciding whether to pay out $900 or $9000 is surely part of it.

It really was garbage.

>>137343032
>hating robot waifus
Yeah, no. I love me some Robot waifus, my 3 favorite girls of the season are robots.
Just not when they look like shit.

>>137343005
I considered finish watching it an achievement.

>>137342909
That's probably because Chitanda is about as interesting as cardstock and Oreki is a self-absorbed douche for half of the show who comes across like an sperg's fantasy. Then he gets put in his place and the show mostly drops the pretense of having mysteries, which is when it actually gets good because it's just beautifully drawn highschool slice of life. There's even an episode where they acknowledge how silly it is, in a way.

Although personally, I wasn't expecting anything out of Chitanda and Oreki didn't bother me because I could see how his arc was going to happen from the get-go. The real problem was the gay best friend and the bitch. They're completely horrible characters, I can't buy that they have any kind of genuine friendship with the Debbie Downer, and their melodrama episode made me want to stop watching.

>>137343017
>Shaft has better aesthetic designs
>posting flat unpassing badly digitalized redraws of world architecture photos
>better
no, fuck off. Its insult to all studios that actually care about unique and original designs

>>137337914
I hate both but I'll take Shaft simply because their anime aren't just generic highschool club garbo.

>>137343106
>because their anime aren't just generic highschool club garbo.
Which SHAFT shows arent?

>>137343085
I honestly can't imagine how a human being could possess this opinion. Mayaka and Satoshi are the best part of the entire show. Also their relationships with Oreki are outright explained, so I don't see how you're confused by that.
Also the Valentine's episode is the best episode of the entire show.

>>137343176
Hey, Madoka took place in middle school.

>>137343091
Doesn't bother me, I'd be honored if something I created was used in an anime.

But Shaft has much more variety, KyoAni is full of sameface and none of their locations stand out. Also not all Shaft is Monogatari/Madoka.

Does anyone on this board actually like Anime?

Both studios have produced a lot of really good shit. Madoka was awesome, and so was Nichojou.

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>>137343265
>But Shaft has much more variety
How hypocrite has one to be to state something like that? Shaft rehashes itself since Moonphase times. It has exactly ZERO variety.
>KyoAni is full of sameface
Confirmed for troll
>none of their locations stand out
KyoAni provides HIGHLY detailed realistic backgrounds, great cinemagographic scapes and fitting the scene settings. Shaft inserts random PPTs

>eating the same sterile shit over and over in every show and thinking its "artistic"

>>137343644
Yes, we like Anime, and thats why we shit on SHAFT - since they are producing shitty PPTs rather than great artistic animated media that is nipponese animeh.

>>137343874
Nips can't animate for shit actually since zero budget.

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>>137343886

>>137343854
You're comparing two different things, KyoAni looks nice there's no denying it but essentially its just the same places we see in anime all the time done better where as Shaft like to use different location styles.

How is saying Sameface is trolling? Ever since Haruhi there has been very little variation between their character designs outside of Nichijou, the only situation I can think of with Shaft was with Madoka.

I think you just want to hate Shaft because you feel you have to, why can't people enjoy bother?

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>>137343949
>You're comparing two different things, KyoAni looks nice there's no denying it but essentially its just the same places we see in anime all the time done better where as Shaft like to use different location styles.
Shaft does all the same setting, exactly - but does not even bother making proper background, care about scene composition, lightning, atmosphere but just drag and drop random clip arts. Shaft "style" was first seen in Moonphase and its basically imitation of Japanese paper theatre - thus initially it was intended as a "stage" imitation with decorations. Since then Shinbo just realized autists like you swallow this shit and thinks its shaft signature, and continues doing same thing over and over without any purpose or artistic value. In fact, Shaft dumbed down it art because of retards that consume it - since initially it was allowing himself much reacher style (see Shinbo`s soul taker or last attempt at changing style back at Vampire bund.. failed). There is nothing great about how SHAFT creates scenes and backgrounds, in fact - while it can be still justified in Monogatari, it weigths down other shows like Mekaku, Nisekoi, Koufuku: ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT. You are just blind and retarded thus allow it to continue.

>How is saying Sameface is trolling?
Because it is. KyoAni not just known for creating unique outstanding designs, it creates memorizable designs for ALL charcters including up to 40 background characters in every anime. Considering different character designers create cast for different shows, the criticism is only evidence than you did not fucking watch any KyoAni shows. (let alone even Haruhi you mention had huge design difference between S1 and S2 and Disappearance).

>>137343949
>I think you just want to hate Shaft because you feel you have to, why can't people enjoy bother?
No, because its worst kind of commercial shit.

It once was a small overworked studio that werent able to finish anything at time, not able to do proper animation, no resources for anything - so they resorted to cutting corners and designing their shows "artisticly" so that all the downsides of them unable to do it properly, would look as if intended, thus creating their "style".

However that time is gone. Most of people involved left, and even "shaft" style itself is not unique anymore and can be found even more authentically by other studios - Silverlink, Deen even.

Shaft`s last attempt to risk was Vampire Bund, failed horribly and since then its just commercial company doing same shit over and over and over with exact same method.

And in fact, most of their shows STILL are shit - they hold by milking Monogatari and surprise Madoka success, but they dont even have the original Monogatari staff nowadays and just do Monogatari-lite emulating visual style failing direction.

Fags like you ENABLE them to continue with this shit rather than raise the quality. People tell KyoAni refuses to leave its comfort zone, for shaft its 100x time more true.

In terms of actual animation quality, KyoAni.

>which is the superior shit

>>137337914

I'm a KyoAnus licker and I'd honestly say Shaft. They have made a greater diversity of shows and are just as capable of eye candy as Kyoani.

>>137340705

And that is because you have absolute shit taste, pleb scum.

>>137344972
nice bate

>>137345248

What bait? Everything KyoAni has done has been School Slice of Lifes. With the exception of Munto, and maybe FMP of course. And I guess Air doesn't really have anything to do with school. Y'know what? Just fuck you. I'm not wrong.

Comparatively, Shaft is all over the place.

I like SHAFT, but they've been lacking in diversity for years, should have spaced out the Monogatari adaptations. Some good has come out of it, Itamura has vastly improved as a director.

Kyoani is my pick though.

Can't we all agree that they're both good and get on with this fucking bait thread?

each and every one of you clicked on this thread knowing fully well it'd be b8
yet you do it anyway
why did you click on this thread, anon ?

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Shaft is seiyuu school, Kyoani is animators, directors and the such school.
>>137338322
Since gatari shaft is shit, they just repeat the plastic looking lifeless gatari style on every show.

>>137345759
>Shaft is seiyuu school
Not really.

>>137345695

Maybe if we roll up our sleeves and get to the bottom of the inquiry using civil discourse and sound logic, the bait will go away forever.

One thing that Shaft definitely does better is staying loyal to the original work. The artstyles always look very close to manga and the few author's who've been on radio (Aoki Ume, Kobayashi Jin, Nakamura Hikaru) have said that Shinbo listened to literally everything they said and he asked for loads of ideas for anime original things.

>>137342523
I personally think they should end the Madoka franchise and Monogatari and move on to something new, but you can't deny that they aren't getting serious about continuing the megucaverse somehow. I don't see any plans to do that Hyouka, let alone Haruhi.

(Will Kyoani break the current grimdark trend in meguca girls with an upbeat mahou shoujo, like TTGL did for mecha after Evangelion?)

>>137342650
That's still further along than Disappearance got.

>>137348793
There's been other upbeat mecha shows after Eva that weren't ttgl.

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>>137348793
>Will Kyoani break the current grimdark trend in meguca girls with an upbeat mahou shoujo
They seem to have an interest in it, at least.

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>>137337914
One makes mainstream anime, the other one makes otakubait.

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>>137348901
>One makes mainstream anime
Based KyoAni

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>>137348901
They really double dip on that Chika x Shinbo OTP.

>>137343854
Bottom left looks like a bad green screen effect.

>>137348972
>pay tv channel with no ratings
>http://www.disney.co.jp/tv/dc.html

>>137348860
But were they before TTGL? Far as I know TTGL made mecha upbeat again after 12 years of grimdark.

>love all kyoani anime
>/a/ tells me "shaft is gud!!11"
>download monogatari
>first scene is slow-mo panty shot

dropped that shit like it's hot, i know which studio makes otaku bait

Hint : it's not KyoAni

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>>137349079
Latest show of KyoAni's the girl grabs her titties to cast magic spells
>not otaku bait

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>>137338019
They literally only did a good job on NNB and Ilya, everything else looks like shit.

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>>137337914
J.C.Staff.

>>137349058
Overman King Gainer, Mazinkaiser, Shin Getter Robo, Godannar, Dual Parallel Trouble Adventures, Kotetsushin Jeeg, to name a few.
There really hasn't been any notable upbeat super robot mecha shows post ttgl anyway, maybe besides Shin Mazinger. Gundam and military mecha still dominate the genre.

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>CTRL+F
>no ufotable
shit studio tastes everyone

>>137348972
But Anon, Disney is the cancer of society.

>>137337914
Bones
Ufotable x TYPE-MOON
Mappa
That studio Makoto Shinkai leads
Silver Link (They just suck at finding good source material)

>>137337914
DEEN finds a way

>>137349372
Ufotable will only be the best when they adapt Apocrypha.

>>137345596
>should have spaced out the Monogatari adaptations
That's exactly what they did

Kyoani > Sunrise > Dogakobo > the rest

>>137349375
Not in Italy.

>Not realizing they're both Gods

SHAFT 2016: Kizumonogatari, March Comes in Like a Lion
KyoAni 2016: Koe no Katachi, Euphonium 2

>>137349892
how could anyone not be looking forward to either

>>137349892
This year is perfect honestly.

>>137345458
You are wrong. Reconsider your level of intellect.

>>137349117
I'm not defending phantom world, i know it's otaku bait as much as anyone.

But you can't deny that KyoAni has had some great shows, even as recent as hibikek.

You also cannot deny that any -gatari season is otaku bait, as "deep" as it seems to be.

>>137347300
>staying loyal to original work
>completely butchering Monogatari series
Shaft fanboys are retarded

Animation quality and consistency: Kyoani
Actually good selection of works: Shaft

>>137348901
ITT: shadt runining another great source material

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Kyoani for me, The only thing I don't like about SHAFT is most of the time they dedicate themselves to the Monogtari series which is understandable but they have creative people in there to do other great things.

But when the series is so popular and sells well why wouldn't they keep doing it.

>>137348991
Since its dynamic scene with focus and lightning changing as the characters walks the alley. Something those used to static PPTs cant comprehend.

>>137337914
Memes aside kyotoani has a bunch of pretty good shows. Some even great, but over all the quality is pretty regular.

>>137350058

Nice ad hominem. Get off my board.

>>137349372
>ufotable
>good
Nasu fags are worse than Shinbo-fag and only comparable to Urobutcher-fags

Okada masterrace

>>137338322
The people who disagree with this probably like nisakoi. Shaft had a lucky fluke with bake s1 and Madoka. Other than that all shit.

>>137345458
>Everything KyoAni has done has been School Slice of Lifes
Try not to make it so obvious if you're going to bait.

>>137349955
>Kizumonogatari
Lenth read the novels and not excited at all about Shaft shit adaptation.
>March Comes in Like a Lion
Love the manga. Too bad Shaft gets it, will be inevitable ruined.
>Koe no Katachi
KyoAni seems fitting for it but, no Okada. Failure.
>Euphonium 2
low key enjoyment, gief Violet Evergarden

>>137350290
>kyoani
>quality is regular
in what parrallel universum? Name any studio that regularly makes show in regular "kyoani quality"

>>137350390
>no Okada. Failure.
Nobody knows who will handle screenplay yet though. I'm betting on Yoshida.

>>137350356
Thats newfag logic that as cancerous as SHAFT post-gatari fags themselves.

Shaft was gained popularity with Hidamari and SZS. Bake and Madoka just created waves of newfags jumping on the train.

Trus however that most SHAFT shows are shit, but you`ll still find aside from bake Arakawa shaft fans, Soredomo fags,few Moonphase fags and even ones Puni Pony Dash was fun.

Hell, i am what fanboys call is shaft "hater", and i enjoyed Salami-san

>>137350317
I'm impressed they're able to shit out 7 movies in only 2 years.

Cmon everyone knows Toei is the greatest

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>>137350512
Salami was good shit. Fuck the haters.

>>137350073
They both put out decent shows and otaku bait. Just like almost any other studio.

>>137340033
>Too bad most other studio has caugh up.
Tell me a show with visual quality on par with Hyouka, Nichijou, KnK, and Hibike. And I don't mean some show that put all of their budget into episode 1 and the rest looks like shit. I mean a show that looks that good throughout the whole show.

>>137350236
You mean Aniplex, Lelouch

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>>137350356
>Other than that all shit.
You forgot their best work, Hidamari Sketch.

I like Kyoani more

Shaft

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>>137337914
BONES
>>137340886
>>137342052
>>137342453
BONES' age will be coming

>>137352740
Has Bones ever made a good ending? Some are meh, plenty are complete garbage. I can't think of a single finale they did that was actually good.

>>137352851
I expect it to Tamura Kotaro.

>>137339198
>Koe no Katachi will win best anime of 2016.

It will provided that KyoAni doesn't fuck it up.

>>137352740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8g3TuKsQHs

so good!

>>137353136
>that animation
>that music
BASED

There is something boring and mechanical about KyoAni's visual output.

>>137353539
You're mistaking KyoAni with SHAFT.

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>>137351055
Tatami galaxy visually outshines every KyoAni work in every way and doesn't come off as overproduced as any of their shows

>>137354580
>tumblr
>overproduced

>>137354580
There was nothing impressive about tatami galaxy visually outside of the artstyle.

>>137353015
It fucked itself up already.

>>137354580
>>137351055
TTG has nice style, but that guy's clearly talking about animation. So, Dennou Coil.

Personally i prefer Shaft.

>>137339817
This. They both figured their fans would watch anything with their names on them, lost a ton of money, and have stuck to comfort zones ever since.

Kyoani thought Haruhifags would be perfectly fine with eight weeks of KYON-KUN DENWA and took a bath. They made up for it with K-On 2, but then lost again with a /v/-tier lolsorandumb "comedy" (which, unfortunately, was the last time they tried to do something artistically different). Ever since they've stuck to lushly painted animated sleep aids with the same two character designs.

Shaft thought fans of their normal lolquirkiness would be perfectly fine with a show with no discernible direction whatsoever, and lost big on Salami-san. Then they pissed off half of one of their biggest fanbases with Rebellion, sold out with Generic Harem Romcom with a Tsundere Obvious Winner No. 802701, and lost still more money and credibility (not to mention pissed off the Kageroufags) with Mexico City Actors. Since then they've been sticking to pleasing the Monogatarifags and Nisekoifags, baiting the Madokafags, and playing it safe with a comparatively humdrum food anime.

We'll see if Silent Voice and March Comes In bring some of their credibility back.

>>137355356
And direction, and visual storytelling etc.

The only argument you can use is that Masaaki Yuasa is running circles around most directors in the anime industry and not just KyoAni's.

>>137355906
Its good. Yuasa is a very talented director, but visually it isn't as mind blowing as Kyoani's top tier stuff.
Hyouka is arguably the best looking show ever made. Its visual storytelling is one of the cornerstones of the show itself.

>>137356090
>mind blowing
This is the last word I'd use to describe KyoAni's visuals.

>>137356120
Its nothing but mindblowing. Something as simple as an apple falling to the floor in Tamako Love Story was mindblowing. Kumiko's dash in frustration in Hibike was mindblowing.

>>137356248
Sure, and Nasu's Fate/stay night glides across an ocean of philosophy.

>God Tier
Madhouse
Kyoto Animation

>Great Tier
Shaft
Sunrise
Gainax
Brains Base
Manglobe (RIP)
Silver Link

>Good Tier
White Fox
Trigger
MAPPA
Doga Kobo
A-1 Pictures
Kinema Citrus

>Okay Tier
Bones
Production I.G
Studio Pierrot

>Once in a blue moon Tier
P.A Works
J.C.Staff
Studio Deen

>>137356248
>Its nothing but mindblowing. Something as simple as an apple falling to the floor in Tamako Love Story was mindblowing.
Is this b8

Are KyoAnus fanboys this delusional?

>>137356563
I would call this whole list half a decade outdated if you hadn't included new studios on it. Madhouse in god tier? Hell, even KyoAni in god tier after their last few years? Gainax great (no, Pleiadesfags, one good show does not make them great again)? Brain's base great?

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>>137356563
Madhouse outsources everything.

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>>137356761
I guess there are people who think that being overly melodramatic is good visual storytelling.

>>137357031
Exactly what I was thinking

Making everything overly animated with so much melodrama shows no understanding of animation psychology. If you just overproduce for every shot like KyoAni then the important momenta will never feel special.

>>137357265
That's enough for casuals to call show a masterpiece. Animation = everyting, plot = nothing.
Do you know a reason of iconic Hyouka blooming hair scene? fruit shampoo smell

>>137357265
I agree except for the "overanimation" shit. There's nothing wrong with using good quality animation throughout, the issue is overusing their digital effects and dramatic shots.

>>137357265
This is the most retarded post in the entire thread.

>>137357380
To be fair, this entire thread is pants on head retarded.

>>137357380
I'm pretty sure that goes to the guy who thinks Kumiko running is mindblowing and better than Yuasa's stuff.

>>137357760
No, because at least that guy was trying to construct a genuine argument even if he wasn't doing it very well. This post is just a ball of meaningless buzzwords. There's a part of me that suspects that it's bait.

>>137342283
>apprentice from a Studio who barely makes originals
Nope.

Kyoanus lickers should bury themselves after Phantom World sales