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If Kerry witnessed the 5th grail war he'd be ashamed and disappointed. Degradation of morals is real.
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>>137296768
You're right, Kiritsugu would have not approved of these kiddies playing around. He would be ashamed of the retarded little half-brother F/SN is to F/Z.

This man may possibly be the fucking greatest protagonist in any anime I've ever seen.

>Based
>Has a hot wife
>Has a hot partner
>Fucks them both
>Doesn't give a fuck about magic rules
>Fuck your chivalry
>Fuck your nobility
>Fuck you

Emiya Kiritsugu: Genuine Badass
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He would be disappointed in his son using a tool to masterbait.

He would also probably then invest in very expensive therapists for him to get over the sword thing.
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>still not scanned
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>>137296836
Kiritsugu is more a kid than anyone in F/SN though.
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>>137296944
>your son sexualizes the mana transfer process
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>>137296944
>He would also probably then invest in very expensive therapists for him to get over the sword thing.

Doubt it considering he knew how Shirou was and never did anything about it, instead decided to teach him self destructing magic.
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>>137297010
You're such a contrarian shiroufag. Just because it's liked by those highschool grunge kids overwrite an objective view.

Shirou dicked around for the entire grail war and stumbled past every obstacle while essentially "just winging it". Kerry planned. That in itself shows he's worlds more mature.
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>>137297093
He was with shirou for like a year. He couldn't have know that shirou wouldn't grow out of it.
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>>137297122
> Kerry planned. That in itself shows he's worlds more mature

Finish school before posting here kiddo, or at least look the definition of maturity.
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>>137297190
>He was with shirou for like a year.

Try 5.

>He couldn't have know that shirou wouldn't grow out of it.
Considering his own character and what lead him to become what he became, yes he would've known.
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I think Kerry would have done something if he realized the severity of the situation.

Which would have happened once Shirou started shitting swords everywhere.

At that point he is seriously a danger to hismelf and everyone around him.
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>>137297197
>at least look the definition of maturity.
It's definitely not replying to an argument with "hurr hurr i bet u a kid"

I don't see how you think that

going into battle with a strategy and plan = charging into a fight screaming while spamming swords and then fucking you weapons afterwards

Why do you insist he's more mature besides some kind of weird sense of superiority you get from shitting on zero because it's popular with normalfags?
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>>137297606
Read the VN.
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>>137297050
To be fair it was outside influences that drew him into that one.
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>>137297197
>caring about the definition of maturity
Only childish folks care so much about maturity. Life doesn't just magically change at any point in time.
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>>137297644
I knew it. You're jacking off over the fact that Fate/stay night is adapted from VN and is thus more niche which apparently means everything is better in every single way.

The only case for Shirou's maturity you can make is in Heaven's Feel route. Fate route and UBW route literally detract from your argument with the amount of childish dialogue and reactions.

Have you read it? Shirou pussies out on multiple occasions and tries to get out of the master/servant contract, where Saber literally has to threaten to murder him to get him to shut up.
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>>137296977
>still no mouth
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It's funny how Fate gets better the further you get away from the mainline titles.
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>>137297431
Kerry+Caster or Archer would've been a sick fucking duo.
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>>137299945
>Kerry + UBW archer
Would've been funny as shit.

If Archer could get any more soul crushed, that would be the method.
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>>137296836
>>137297122
>>137297606
>>137297875
ITT: morons with not a scant grain of reading comprehension.

There's a reason Nasu stated that Shirou as a character doesn't actually grow. He doesn't change nor does he learn, he simply comes to terms with things he already knows. Every "big reveal" he does about his own character is about things he is aware of already, but tries not to think about.

Anybody who thinks Kiritsugu is the most mature of the two completely missed the point of both characters. Shirou begins, right from the get-go fully aware of the impossibility of his ideal. The screenshot is from early Fate route. He's not just aware of the difficulty, he's aware of the inherent contradiction: a world where everyone is saved is, for the most part, logically impossible. Even with near omnipotent powers, you cannot preserve both the attacker and the victim just as they are, because success for one side implies failure for the other.

Kiritsugu was seriously going for the Grail to attain a perfect world. He lied to himself into not accepting the idiotic contradiction and thought such a thing could really exist. It's such a dumb idea that Rin points it out offhand to both Archer and Shirou early on, and neither does anything other than casually nod because it's not news to them either. Kiritsugu's obsessive with pragmatism to the point of needless cruelty was his idiotic overcompensation for the fact that he never managed to get rid of his childish nature or fully accept reality. He actually, up to the end, thought his dream was something that could exist in reality if he just got his hands on a big enough power.

Shirou never cared for any of that. He understood the contradiction right from the beginning. The worst Kiritsugu says here were something he only accepted at the very end of his life, but Shirou grasps them perfectly from the start. There's no naivety in Shirou.
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>Grail war is literally an afterschool activity in stay/night
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>>137302009
>The worst Kiritsugu says here were something he only accepted at the very end of his life, but Shirou grasps them perfectly from the start.

Are you mentally retarded?

Kiritsugu realized all that at then end, then told it to the amnesiac ginger he picked up. Who believed it immediately and worshiped broken Kerry's word as the the word of god.

Not a single one of Shirou's thoughts are orignal. They're all Kerry's. You said it yourself, that he doesn't change from the beginning.

Strip away Kerry's epiphany about saving the world, and Shirou is an awkward teenager who lucks into sex.
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>>137302219
>find a kid
>he has amnesia
>transfer your soul into his body
>finally fuck Saber
>seduce your daughter
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>>137302219
Are you just baiting?

Shirou knew from experience from the huge fire, Shirou needed a reason for being saved.

Had Kiritsugu truly guided Shirou, things would have been very different, knowledge about his element and origin would helped Shirou greatly.
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>>137302444
This doesn't make any sense. How does a fire teach you philosophy? Shirou's views on heroism are directly from deathbed Kerry. Did you get passed the title screen? This is fate 101.

Shirou reaped the rewards of Kerry's suffering.
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Why did Caster want to rape Saber?
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>>137302009
>he simply comes to terms with things he already knows

How is that not character development?
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>>137302794
5th grail war was literally a porn parody.
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>>137302756
Because the fire already taught him about the cruelty of life, how not everyone could be saved. The inherent logic was there from the start: The superhero that Shirou admired could only save one person from that fire. That person was Shirou. Shirou wanted to believe that Kiritsugu could save anyone and everyone, but he knew in his heart that this wasn't true. If that were the case, no one would have died that day.
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>>137302794
Everyone wanted a piece of Seiba's ass figuratively and literally.
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Shirou's logic wasn't that he was naive or unable to comprehend reality. It was that his desires conflicted with his knowledge. A fool is someone who acts in ignorance. A madman is someone who acts while fully comprehending the futility of his actions. Shirou is the latter.

If he was only an idiot, then it wouldn't matter. There would be no conflict. He'd rush in, and he'd either die or eventually give up upon realizing how pointless it was. But Shirou knew the impossibility of his ideal. He knew that reality would not allow him to have his wish. And despite that, he still strove for it. What else would you call someone who tries to do something he absolutely knows to be impossible other than insane?
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Reminder that Saber canonically looks like a boy, which makes all Saberfags closeted homosexuals.
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>>137303121
No. The fire taught him that fires kill people. Kiritsugu taught him everything else and Shirou used the fire as a proof of concept.

Honestly. Why do people let their fate/zero hate bullshit cloud their opinions? Shirou talking about Kiritsugu and how Kiritsugu taught him everything he believes in happens like every hour or so.

>"I wanted to be a superhero when I was a child."
Suddenly.
That man, himself a superhero in my child's eyes, said that as if yearning for it.

"What? What do you mean by 'wanted'? Did you give up?"
I became angry and asked him.
Kiritsugu laughed apologetically and looked up at the sky.

"Yes, unfortunately. Being a hero is a time-limited thing, and it becomes hard to call yourself that when you grow up. I wish I'd found that out earlier."
I agreed with that.
I didn't know why, but I thought it couldn't be wrong because Kiritsugu said so.

"I see. Then I guess it couldn't be helped."
"Yeah. It really couldn't be helped."
Kiritsugu answers.
So of course, my response was determined.
"Yeah, it can't be helped, so I'll take your place.
It's impossible since you're an adult, but it should be all right for me. Let me take on your dream."

"I'll make it come true."

Before I could finish, my father laughed.
He made a face like he didn't even need to hear the rest.
After breathing in, Emiya Kiritsugu said…
"Yeah I'm relieved."
He quietly closed his eyes and his life ended.
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>>137303753
He died as he lived, as an edgy manchild.
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>>137303801
He's literally Shirou, if Shirou hadn't met Kiritsugu. That's the point. They're interchangeable. Kiritsugu is a Shirou that grew up without having some weird old man tell him that saving everybody is impossible because the magi association are filthy liars so don't even attempt it.
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Kerry woulda won if the grail wasn't a fucking monkey's paw.
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>>137303753
What a dick.
He died happy that his son decided to take a path full of misery and death?
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>>137304047
>a path full of misery and death
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>>137304110
From left to right:
>Kidnapped by an evil witch and a victim of Rider's flesh consuming bounded field.
>Loses the closest fatherly figure she has (Bahsaka), gets kidnapped by a psycho priest and experiments all the evils in the world, has her eyes slashed and her heart ripped from her chest, and commits sudoku to save her brother.
>Dies dozens of times or has fates worse than death in all the bad ends (yes, they are also canon), experiences all the evils in the world first hand, fails to save everyone, has to kill his own servant, give up on his ideals and let a crapton of people die to save one girl, loses his sister, has to fight impossible battles against enemies leagues beyond him, and in the worst case scenario he becomes a twisted version of his ideals full of regret that lives an eternity of watching calamities and slaughtering people to clean up the messes of humanity.
>Has to put her life on the line countless times to save and support her loved one, has to struggle with her obligation as magus to kill her own sister to save the town, and she dies in a couple bad endings and gets raped in one too.
>Has her lifelong dream shattered before her eyes, has to wait an eternity to meet her loved one again, is mentally, physically and sexually abused and is forced to fight her master to the death on several occasions.
>Where do I even start with her?

Yeah, a path full of misery and death.
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>>137304432
>cherrypicking the bad endings/routes

Why do fate fans do this to themselves? You could go choose from one of the 20 different spin-offs canon where Shirou is getting hanjobs and homecooked meals every night instead.
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>>137304866
The VAST majority of different possible timelines are full of suffering for Shirou and Co.
And not even one good or true ending is perfectly happy. You're the one cherrypicking happy endings.
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>>137304939
Hollow Ataraxia is technically a real timeline where it seems everyone is happy.
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>>137304939
The spin-offs are all canon and far surpass the original VN in content.

So no, not really.
I've never understood why people think bad ends are canon too. It's like if someone tried to tell you snake canonically dies in mgs because you got shot down in the first hallway.
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>>137304988
Plot twist where Ataraxia's world is perfect except it shares the same universe as those mtsp ntr doujins.
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>>137302100
How come Shirou didn't have homework? Didn't he have tests to study for? And since this is Japan, no cram school?
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>>137305869
Fuji-nee changes his grades or Rin gives him the answers for the test. Or maybe Issei, in exchange for school equipment reparations.
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>>137305869

he likely gets extra credit
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>>137304988
Isn't it all just illusion made by the grail? Of course the experience was real but it all vanished when Bazett decided to stop.
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>>137296768
He would feel proud of shirou.
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>>137306360
The eclipse scene (they're outside the loop made by Avenger) shows the same thing if you view the scene where Bazett comes to live in the Emiya household, Saber, Rin, Sakura and Illya are all there.
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>>137306360

There is an epilogue where both Rider and Saber are confirmed to still be alive, that is impossible with any of the events of fate and is at least an alternate universe.

The illusion itself was also based on the reality it occured in.
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>>137306429
Sometimes people forgot the merged timelines happened because of Rin, not Avenger.
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