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What the fuck happened /a/?
>1998
>be Gonzo
>begin production on what will be a revolutionary new style of anime using groundbreaking tools and technology
>a year later drop Blue Submarine No.6
>blow away every single studio with the futuristic animation that puts traditional methods to shame
>Build a gorgeous and detailed world applying a near hollywood touch to children's cartoons
>despite it being a masterpiece the community isn't moved
>your Magnum Opus is met with mixed reviews you begin a sharp decline to obscurity as a studio.

this was supposed to be the future, not the hell we are living in now.
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>>137287583
It looks blurry as fuck.
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>not the hell we are living in now.

You sound like a casual. Anime now is great.
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>>137287583
>Gonzo's magnum opus
>fucking Blue Submarine
Literally how? It was a completely unremarkable show except for the mermaid and the visuals, which look like dog shit by current standards.

> you begin a sharp decline to obscurity as a studio
Didn't happen until well after Blue Submarine. Hell, wasn't that their second production of any kind? What are you even talking about?
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>>137287583
>Mecha

I never picked it up for a reason.
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>>137287666
Actually, wait, Zaion was after that. Blue Submarine was their first production.
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>>137287583
Blue Submarine was pretty ugly CG even back then despite their ad campaign saying otherwise.
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>>137287746
What was better?
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Failure is not an option.
Let me repeat that,
if this mission fails,
if we are unsuccessful
we have no future
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>>137287583
>Blue Submarine No.6
>Magnum Opus
That's not Kiddy Grade.
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>>137287661
>Anime now is great.
DEEN is still in business
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>>137287851
DEEN has two good shows this season and a good manga to adapt next season.
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>>137287876
>DEEN has
>good shows
I see, I'm talking to the anime equivalent of a /v/ poster
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>>137287900
Kono Suba is good DESPITE Deen, not because of it.
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>>137287661
You sound like a pleb

Anime now is shit.

Read manga.
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>>137287922
They haven't fucked up much, honestly.
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>>137287900
Rakugo is utterly amazing and the best show this season.
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>be Gonzo
>make one of the best shows from 2015
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>Blue Submarine
You're joking right? Not only did the show look like shit it also had one of the most boring plots in shows. Not to mention MERMAIDS LOL.
Just because you personally like it doesn't make it their magnum opus. They've made better stuff since then, thank god.
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>>137287900
Fuck you, Rakugo is good you little nigger.
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>>137288057
>MERMAIDS LOL
Fuck you, those were cute.
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>>137288094
They were, but the plot was shit and that played a huge part in it.
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>>137287946
I think it's because they fit the lighthearted nature of the show pretty well.
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>be Squaresoft
>see Pixar making waves with their childish CG
>release Spirits Within with the intent of stunning the world will how real CG can be
>make an absolutely dynamite scifi-adventure with jaw dropping visuals
>turns out they were so stunned they couldn't go to the theaters
>lose over 50million dollars USD and bankrupt your company
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>>137288216
"Real"-looking CG is trash and I will never understand why anyone wants it.
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>>137288216
The story fucking sucked.
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>>137288216
>make an absolutely dynamite scifi-adventure with jaw dropping visuals

They made a terrible mistake naming that thing Final Fantasy. It was an ok movie and great CGI at the time, but everyone hated it because it basically had jack shit to do with with FF. If they wanted to sell CG-animation at the time they should have just made Advent Children imidiately.
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>>137288216
>jaw dropping visuals
Shit looks like Polar Express.
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>>137288475
How many people gave a shit about FF, particularly outside of Japan?
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>>137288216
That movie sucked so much. There was no chemistry at all.
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>>137287900
>I see, I'm talking to the anime equivalent of a /v/ poster
No no, standards have gotten much lower now. People realized there's much worse than DEEN.
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>>137288216
>Never gave a shit about FF
>See this at a local rental place
>rent it
>like it
It was ok/fun I can get FF fans bitching about it but it isn't as bad as people make it to be
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>>137288769
I don't know who they expected to watch their CGI video game movie if not people who gave a shit about the series.
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>>137288769
It was big enough for them to think slapping the FF name on a movie like that would work. In the 90s/early 00s, FF was basically a household name, mostly due to VII.

Kind of funny to think that a little thing like putting the FF name on something that wasn't really FF made Squaresoft go bankrupt.
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>>137288915
People who go to the movies tend to not give a shit about the source material.
Even here on /a/ many watch adaptions that way.
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>>137287661
No it's shit
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>>137289012
VII through X were released in the previous 4 years so it was quite big in 2001. I think they attached FF to the movie name because the series had a reputation for having the best FMV scenes in those days.
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>>137287583
What is this Initial D blu-ray level bullshit?
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>>137289312
It could just be OZC, honestly.
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Studio Gonzo made Kaleido Star, which is one of the best shojo anime. Yet they stumbled terribly on Season 2 introducing the tsundere guy and the horrible Chinese girl.

The series was one season too long, but season one is still some of the best anime out there.
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>>137288475
Agreed, Square Enix focus on western markets was a mistake, they still don't understand basic naming conventions like Fantasy yet do Sci Fi.

If the soldiers used magic, would of saved this movie.
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They made the best looking anime ever Gankutsuou. Also their best show they made.
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blue submarine no. 6 isn't very good, ok
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Best thing Gonzo ever did was collaborating with Range Murata and they still managed to fuck up badly with Senpai the Silver Shit.
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Doesn't Blue Submarine suck or am I misremembering?
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Uh, I'm pretty sure Last Exile was like a million times better than Blue Submarine and is their true masterpiece

Also Seto no Hanayome
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>>137287900
>he doesn't know about all the great deen shows

back to /v/
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>>137289768
It was alright, also the fish girl got raped and NTRed the MC.
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Fucking filter made me spill my drink
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>>137287583
GONZO has always overdelivered on style and massively underdelivered on substance.
Almost every single show they made was great for about 5 episodes then became completely uninteresting once it needed to actually follow through on having a plot.

Looking back GONZO would have done a lot better nowadays when every series is only 13 episodes so you can fake it the whole way through.
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>>137289377
>The bad BDrip is the only one with seeders

Sasuga Obama.

The BDMV isn't much better though.
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>>137289704
Fun fact, the guy who was in charge of the clothing designs and overseeing those effects for Gankutsuou is primarily a god-awful CGI animator. Waste of talent.
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>>137289800
>not Witch Blade
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Last Exile was their magnum opus for CG, otherwise their history is fucking great.
Vandread, Hellsing, FMP, Kiddy Grade, Chrono Crusade.
The problem was around 2007 the majority of their chosen adaptions were shit. They started fucking up their choices, did too many shows that had no returns, fucked themselves sideways.
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>>137289833
That's way better than OP's, actually.
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>>137289859
>The problem was around 2007 the majority of their chosen adaptions were shit.
wrong, the ruined great manga like Black Cat
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>>137288835
>still drawn by some top-tier animator
>in-between drawn by some who-tier animator
Thanks for your valuable input.
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>>137289859

They started doing shows like Dragonaut, Blassreiter, and Shangri-La.
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>>137289915
Yeah have to agree with you, Gonzo always did anime only changes from source material, justifying it in their own ways.

They really did fuck up a lot of things.
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>>137289994
Don't forget Kurogane no Linebarrels.
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>>137289836
Best designs.
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>>137289766
Anon, I thought we agreed to not talk about it anymore.
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>>137287583
>What the fuck happened /a/?

Almost 20 years.
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>>137289994
Their CG was seperate from Last Exile in meshing with style, they just went full retard and never bother subtly mixing it in.

From memory Last Exile had two layers to the CG which cost a fuck tonne in order to mesh well with the 2D.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjnKspC7_DQ
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Vandread was GONZOs magnus opus desu.

Last Exile is one of the most overrated series of all time and almost entirely devoid of substance. The world could have been something really special too if they didn't go full retard on the plot constantly.
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Gonzo used to take risks and made some shows that I really like but also made a lot shit, when I read that they have been rescued from disappearing around 2010-11 I was happy but everything they've made since has been garbage.
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>>137287922
Konosuba is good because of DEEN. If it weren't for Korean Zombie director the anime would've flopped.

Give it to A-1 or something and see what comes out.
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>>137287900
>DEEN
>no good shows
what is patlabor
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I'll always have a soft spot for Blue Submarine No.6 as one of my first anime shows. I stumbled across it at like 2am on Toonami when I was about 12.
It's a little bit shit though.
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>>137287583
The first episode actually looked like moving shit.

If I lower my standards that much, why the fuck would I bother with anime?
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>>137290167
>Vandread
Isn't that a meme ecchi series with no plot at all? It was my impression when I was 12 and saw a few episodes of it.
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>>137290167
vandread was boring as shit
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>>137290522
>everything they've made since has been garbage.
how about fuck you?
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>>137287900
Fruits Basket and Full Moon wo Sagashite were great desu I actually really used to like DEEN prior to about 2005.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndqakkLFfWQ
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>>137291268
>>137291180
GONZO specialized in boring ass no substance shit with good visuals, at least Vandread had tits.
Also, you knew what memes were when you were 12? How fucking young are you?
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>>137289859
>Forgetting their magnum comedic opus
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>>137291468
>GONZO specialized in boring ass no substance shit with good visuals, at least Vandread had tits.
Vandread was literally nothing. Like at all. I think you mean "at least Vandread had mecha". Seriously there was absolutely nothing special about it you couldn't find anywhere else especially back then
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>>137291468
vandread is ugly
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>>137291564
Oh I'm fully aware of that, and that is how low my opinion of GONZO is.
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>>137291468
>How fucking young are you?
27
Memes weren't invented by then but shit is timeless and easily recognized.
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>>137290167
>buy Vandread on dvd
>no widescreen
>streaming from hulu looks better
THE FUCK FUNIMATION
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>>137291516
>>137291655
Actually I take that back, Seto is their best work by far, its actually a great show and I forget that GONZO is part of it because of that.
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Not their best but I love this show.
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>>137291516
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Best Gonzo
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>>137291726
I swear to god you could post any scene from this show and I would immediately remember the joke and I've only ever watched it twice

>>137291971
Holy shit, someone else saw that besides me. Really underrated. Only anime I know where the bad guy completely and totally won and it wasn't a bad end
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Sun a shit, Lunar a best. FITE ME NERDS
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>>137289954
Cherrypicking aside, Deen is still more trustworthy than Toei.
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>>137291268
nigger kill yourself
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>>137291516
I wished Masa had taken my first sexual encounter...
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>>137292332
Agreed, but they have butchered many things for their budgets, at least Deen gives back in a while.
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>>137291971
GIRLS ON FILM
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Best show about a gay threesome with a plane.
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>>137288009
This desu. Gainax is also still making good shows despite being a shell of its former self.
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>ctrl f
>no strike witches
pls
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>>137287583
My 2nd favorite anime, but don't kid yourself the CGI was really bad
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>>137292166

>>137290167

love vandread, but it has not aged well.
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The best thing Gonzo has ever done is the op for Macross Dynamite 7.

https://youtu.be/autVlV3hOWU
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>>137292589
Funny how between Khara, Trigger and Gainax only Gainax made a decent show
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>>137291268
You are boring as shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBF6n8vt5AE
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I don't think I was ever blown away by a Gonzo show, but they consistently pushed a variety of interesting SF concepts that we may not have seen otherwise.
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>>137290167
I would do anything for a Vandread sequel in the works soon

not to have Gonzo do it apparently
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>>137289994
>Dragonaut
Hey man, Dragonaut was probably the most fun I have ever had watching a series with /a/.

Its also probably the worst anime I have ever seen.

It had a 10/10 opening though
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>>137292718
Wrong.

It's Gankutsou.
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>>137290522
They fell off well before that, honestly. By the time they got bought out, the Gokumi studio was the only one still making anything good.
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>>137287939
>>137289096

was always shit*

ftfy
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>>137289994
>Blassreiter
It was alright but then I love bikes.
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>>137292819
>Gonzo thread
>responding to a chain about Gonzo's recent good show
>list all the Gainax spin-offs except Gonzo
What are you doing?
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>tfw I was dissapointed back then when I watch a Gonzo show with no to little CG
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What the fuck was Zorndyke's problem?
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>>137290167

Problem with vandread was the waifu war had no tension. We all knew dita would win.
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Another terrible Gonzo show I can't help but love. Fuck them for teasing me with the video making believe there would be a second season.
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>>137293330
According to him humanities arrogance would unavoidably lead to them consuming all of Earth's resources and destroying the eco-system

So he pruned the population and created the chimera races to act as a counterbalance since they were much more in-tune with nature.
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>>137293330
He's a faggot.
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>>137293432
Both Meia and Dita won going by the scrapped third season.

And Barnette was the best girl in the mango
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>>137293330

not enough mermaid pussy. lack of sex drives a man crazy.
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>>137293616
The shark guy fucked them though. Wasn't he his son or some shit?
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>>137293330
He was a monstergirl fag. Dude just wanted to create a race of mermaids to fuck
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>>137293654
They were all his children, and yeah Varg had a harem

Mutio even goes with him in the end
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>>137289833
>>137289377
>>137289312
Mastered digitally in standard definition. No actual film to rescan when making the BDs so their only option is to upscale that shit.
It's the sad state of affairs for the very late-90s and early 2000s anime that they can't be remastered like glorious film master race can.
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>>137293685

Oh my, just look what happened by accident...
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>>137292571
TAKE A PICTURE
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>>137287583

bring back murata
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>>137292311

You there. Keep posting.
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Gonzo was great, its really sad now that they're actually working against good works by ruining shit like Trails in the Sky opening.

I haven't watched a lot, but personally
Seto no Hanayome>NHK>Blue Submarine>Chrono Crusade>Kaze no Stigma>Tower of Druaga

If only pic related hadn't happened, they would've been great.
Fuck the jews
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>>137293715
Why did she go with him again? I thought she loved the MC?
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>>137294537
So much potential ruined by greed.

It really is one of the biggest tragedy in anime industry
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>>137294574
She felt sorry for Verg and her people just lost their collective father
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Fishy Waifu, Best Waifu
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>>137287900
DEEN is the savior of yaoi anime.
All Hail DEEN!
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>>137293512
>According to him humanities arrogance would unavoidably lead to them consuming all of Earth's resources and destroying the eco-system

Well good to see that's actually happened.
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>>137294622
>>137294537
What's the story on this?
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>>137295091
Brave
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>>137292718

UOOOOOOH LISTEN TO MY SONG SPACE WHALES!
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>>137287583

Gonzo sucked. Inconsistent in both animation and story development. Out of the ten shows of theirs I tried to watch, I could only finish two of them. The rest were so boring and slow, I just didn't care. They were BeeTrain before BeeTrain was established.

And you are highly delusional OP.
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>>137294937
Yeah it's a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal
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>>137287583

The CGI water and digital 'aids' in Blue Sub 6 were horrendous. The OAV was met with mixed reviews because the animation was jarring and the story was shit.

And six years later, they did the same exact thing with Last Exile. A show with a story that went nowhere and digital animation that looked completely out of place.

GONZO tried to be cutting edge. And it didn't work.
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>>137295647
>and the story was shit.
Story was great, you jsut have shit for taste
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>>137295647
At least Last Exile had the decency to have some fun characters, nice mechanical designs and did a much better job rendering Murata's character designs.
I still like it, even if it seemed to completely forget that Claus was supposed to be the protagonist in the second cour.
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>>137295748

The design of Last Exile (and the unique opening) are what got me to watch the show, after I had long since given up on GONZO. But even then, the actual show went nowhere. Its pretty bad when the opening is the only good part of each episode.
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>>137295748
But it did go somewhere! They went to Earth!
In a setup for a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad sequel.
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>>137296011
Piss buckets. Meant to reply to >>137295867
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You dumbfucks watch and go about watching anime for all the wrong reasons. Grow up already you autists
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>at Anime Expo 2002
>an entire panel just devoted to Gonzo
>various people from Gonzo are talking about their big secret new project called 'Last Exile'
>they show off the OP for the show and everyone is mesmerized
>"Of course, we can't tell you anything else about the show until it airs
>someone in the audience makes a joke about mecha in relation to Gundam
>Gonzo staff spend the rest of the hour just obsessing over their favorite Gundam seasons while lecturing the audience about how bad Gundam Turn A is

>fast forward two years
>finally see Last Exile
>all the things the panel complained about regarding Turn A are the exact same flaws Last Exile has
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>>137296235
But Turn A has no flaws.
Maybe if Claus had been a delicious brown trap...
No, no.. would still have GONZO's awful CGI.
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>>137291971
I only remember it as being one of those Gonzo shows that was made in a shoestring budget.
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>>137296385

The big flaw of Turn A Gundam was the first 12-15 episodes focused on world building, but not much character development or plot development. Last Exile was basically this, but for the whole show.
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>>137291971
It's without a doubt one of their interesting original shows.
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>>137296591
But it had plenty of character and plot development. It just didn't have a lot of mecha battles for the /m/ babbies to be distracted by.
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>>137287583
>>137287939
>WAAAAAAH my free hobby should be better and not shit. WAAAAAAAH!
Cry more.
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>>137295647
Unlike Blue Submarine, people actually knew and bought Last Exile and more or less put Gonzo on the map for a while
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>Gonzo thread
That fucking second Witchblade OP. The second half of the show is pretty much all about a single mother working herself into an early grave while some creepy conspiracy people are trying to amputate her limbs and kidnap her daughter. And then that fucking intro song played at the start of every episode. I mean what the hell was that shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6O5xU3wG8
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>>137296385
Turn A has a bunch of issue the whole plot is about a war that nobody really wants, that's never really fought and then it ends.
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>>137297120

And the biggest issue of them all. Being a Gundam series.
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>>137291516
Seto No Hanayome isn't actually funny, it makes you convince yourself to laugh.
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>>137287583
Cuz it wasnt moe enough duuh
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>>137290045
Gotta agree with that. The ending theme is pretty cool
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>>137287900
Stay mad Kyoani fag. Down on your knees with your shit studio's sales.
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The only good shows from Gonzo are Gankutsuou and Speed Grapher.

Last Eile was good at first, but then the story had inconsistency and went full retard. I could care less about the CGI DESU if the story was good.

Never watched the sequel btw. Is it good? or is full of crap?
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>>137289833
This is shockingly good for an early 2000s digital master.
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>>137294666
I had no idea if she chose Verg over Hayami since the show ended right quick. Lots of maybes and could ofs. Maybe she came back and just helped Verg home, etc..
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>>137298656
You forget the NHK.
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>>137298656

Vandread also exists. And despite the people in this thread claiming nothing happened, it actually had more character development than your average harem. Probably because it wasn't a harem anime.
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>>137298656
And Kiddy Grade, and Kaleido Star, and FMP S1, and Gad Guard, and Chrono Crusade, and Solty Rei, and Desert Punk, and NHK, and Strike Witches, and fuck you.
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>>137295211
That was the bomb.
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>>137299393
I agree with this. I like you.
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>>137289474
I fucking love Kaleido Star
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>>137294537
Brave Story was a good book.
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>>137292024
my my nigga
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>>137295748
I love the world of Last Exile. It started out great and then turned so meh, but I still love it. The ship designs and Murata's art are so great.
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>>137289474

Junichi Sato, the director of such works as Sailor Moon and Princess Tutu, made Kaleido Star. Gonzo just fronted the cash. Junichi Sato also did Gatekeepers, but Gonzo meddling killed it.
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>>137299393
>>137299737

Meia was best girl
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>>137300076
So Madhouse didn't make Texhnolyze and Bones didn't make RahXephon, or what?
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>>137300130
She was the best girl
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>>137300163

Studios have different functions. They can provide animators, directors or just funding. For example, on Cowboy Benop, Sunrise is credited as the studio that funded it. But a lot of the animators were hired out from BONES. And Shinichiro Watanabe is a freelance director who has worked for multiple studios.

Junichi Sato isn't a part of GONZO. Yet he did the majority of the work for Kaleido Star.
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>>137300247
> he did the majority of the work for Kaleido Star
Did he animate it himself?
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Is Mahiro Maeda going to direct a TV anime ever again?
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>>137300363
After 4.0, maybe.

>>137300247
They provided most of the nip key animators and probably other positions, too, but I'm not going to check all the staff for the whole thing. My point is that hiring freelancers doesn't mean they didn't make the show, especially not when you're just pointing to one freelancer. Again, did Madhouse make Texhnolyze and Bones make RahXephon?
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>>137300247
Bones didn't exist during Cowboy Bebop's production, they were a Sunrise studio at the time.
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>>137300357

He directed it and did most of the storyboarding. As he does on most of his productions.
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I can't hate Gonzo.

The NHK adaptation was great, I like it over the manga adaptation which went nowhere by deviating from the novel, and it also has an amazing soundtrack.

Also, Gankutsuou as fucking amazing, and Strike witches was pretty good too.

Seto no hanayome and Druaga were fun enough.

Scratch my first statement, how can anyone hate Gonzo, they did make a lot of good anime among their shitty ones.
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>>137300777
Notice how the last show you mentioned was eight years ago.
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>>137300800
Remember they went backrupt after Shangri-La, and they have only released a few shows after coming back.

I also liked Sore Ga seiyuu, and that's actually from last year,
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>>137300777

>Scratch my first statement, how can anyone hate Gonzo

The same reason can dislike BeeTrain or KyoAni. The majority of shows they make do not suit their taste.
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>>137301053
I meant objectively speaking, because there are plenty of people with a bias.

There are people that as soon as they read Gonzo they immediately call a show shit, or at least it used to be like that.
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>>137291971
I remember the threads. It was hated after the first few episodes because they did nothing with most of the characters plus the QUALITY everywhere killed it. They had two other anime airing that season, and I think they had 3 a season for that year or something ridiculous like that. That season was when they actually really went downhill. That year they adapted Black Cat. The year after they started to pump out real garbage like Glass Fleet, Pumpkin Scissors, Red Garden, etc. Prior to this, I would say their worst work was Samurai 7.
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>>137301192

All people have a bias. 'Liking' something is based on that bias. You can't be objective about taste.
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>>137301604
I'm not talking about liking (though I did say "hate" in my first post).

I'm talking about people calling Gonzo a bad company when they legitimately were not, or calling Gonzo anime bad just because it had the Gonzo name attached to it.

Don't you think it's a stupid attitude?
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>>137301654

Since I'm someone who only liked two shows out of a dozen they made, I would have to say they weren't a good studio in my eyes. Don't see how you can really argue they were good to someone who didn't like what they saw.
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>>137301194
>Pumpkin Scissors
I liked it.
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>Gonzo

AAAAAH
I REMEMBERED THE HELLSING TV ANIME

Thank God they did the OVA. Would have been too sad otherwise.
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Has anyone watched Basilisk?
It has been on my back log since forever, I would like to hear opinions.
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>>137302408

Do you like old guys with huge boils sitting around talking for 20 minutes? Then you'll love it.
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>>137291971
I loved it too.
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>>137302408
Talking, walking, suddenly people are dead, and now it's time for tactical ninja fighting.
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>>137302453
>>137302571
I guess I'll keep pushing it behind on my back log until I run out of things to watch, thanks for the answers.
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As an oldfag who actually saw Blu sub no 6 when it first came out, let me tell you how it was recieved.
>awesome first ep
>great music, maybe the best thing about the show
>cool concepts and action
>holy crap cgi in anime looks great!
With the rest of the episodes though, the problems as other posters mentioned got apparent. Such a shame, the series still managed to have many great things but on the whole it just made you mad itcwasn't better. And the cgi aged badly.

Side note: pic related is such a delicious design, best shirt hair diving suit in anime ever. Too bad the character was a cardboard.
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>>137302408
Read the manga instead.
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