Can someone explain to me why Zeon / Spacenoids weren't

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These were the actual heroes of U.C

Zeon did literally everything wrong.

>>137274823
>gassed colonies
>dropped colonies
>mass nukings
>declare independence and act indignant because you're no longer getting free shit from the organization you declared independence from

>>137274889

Zeon represented progress, and so did all of its direct and spiritual successors. The Federation is just a capitalist hellhole.

>>137274823
Here's a crazy idea. What if both Zeon and the Federation are morally gray?

>>137275019

>conscript child soldiers
>morally gray

>>137275011
>capitalist hellhole.

you dropped your fedora, comrade

Spacenoids might be good guys and/or innocents.

Zeon is just pure evil. The Federation would need to build baby-rape machines that do nothing but rape babies for the sake of murder-raping babies to ever become as evil as Zeon. And I wouldn't even be surprised if Zeon already did that and had bigger and better baby-rape machines than the Federation would even dream about.

Fuck man, didn't the fucking Zeons even kill more spacenoid civilians than the Federation ever killed Zeonists?

In Thunderbolt, the dude piloting the Gundam is even from another space colony that got destroyed by Zeon.

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>>137274864


hell yeah

>>137274823
Because even with all the horrible shit that the feds did, they still didn't use nerve gas on their own people so they could throw colonies down on earth.
AEUG master race.

>>137275164

Zeon was only as evil as the tyranny it was fighting.

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>>137275266
>AEUG
Call me when your organisation has a logo as good as this one.

>>137275375
what do you gonna do? throw a bunch of shrikes at me?

>>137274823
Zeon is literally Space Hitler x 1000

They gassed entire civilizations to death, plunged their own people to death, destroyed an entire continent and they have a harsh conscription for their own people and they engage in human trafficking.

As evil as the Feddies can be at times, they are like saints compared to any wing of Zeon. Zeon has set itself up for eradication. There is no future unless Zeon is gone

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>Try to tell a realistic political drama by depicting both sides of the conflict over the course of many years

>hurr de derp why isn't X the good guys
>X did some good so Y is bad
>Y did nothing wrong

>>137275095
They are fighting people who gas their fellow spacenoids.

>>137275095
Militia is a thing.

>>137275011
>Zeon represented progress
MAYBE Zeon Deikum was, but the Zabis certainly didn't.

>>137274823
Gato what did we tell you about posting on 4chan?

>>137275528
did the feddies do anything as bad as gasing whole colonies and dropping them on civilian populations (during or preceeding the oyw)?

Honest question here, cause i can't remember.

If you think Zeon were the good guys and you also know they're meant to represent Imperial Japan, then you're missing that Tomino was saying his country was in the wrong in WW2.

Yes, there were good people in the lower levels of power in Zeon. Just like there was in Imperial Japan, just like there was in Nazi Germany. It doesn't change that the people in charge were insane and subjugated tons of people under the flag of it being for their own good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere

Read up on this and look at the parallels to Zeon. Hell, they even have something in Unicorn that is a renaming of this.

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into the trash it goes

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>>137274864
>>137275175

He was right though.

>>137275860
That's why we have Neo Zeon. The real good guys

>>137274823
Because if you watch the original several series and not material made years later by people who grew up on it the principality of zeon is very clearly depicted as being led by power hungry assholes with its own share of terrible people while the EF is often depicted as being led by corrupt assholes.

Its a story about the soldiers with each side having its own legitimate reasons for originally going to war, not side X vs side Y.

And thunderbolt isn't really pro zeon, its pro soldier. The EF mc had a fucked up life And after the battle in the shoal zone his girlfriend dies and is just being used by his organization who wants him out of the way while the Zeon mc Has his only remaining limb forcibly removed under captains orders and is only continuing to fight in the war becsuse he needs the money and Ghiren was desperate for pilots to the point he's hiring handicapped people.

>>137276090

Jamitov did all of the wrong things for the right reasons, in the end you can't really forgive the guy.

>>137276095

Marshmellow pls

>>137276137
>while the EF is often depicted as being led by corrupt assholes.

Was it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in MSG a lot of the Federation wasn't corrupt, just very shitty at fighting a protracted war. I mean General Revil was as high up in the military as you get and he was a good guy.

>>137275011
The original republic of zeon did. The zeon we see in 0079 is the principality of Zeon, which is the republic hijacked by and reformed under the Zabi family who began pushing the idea of spacenoid superiority and the superiority of the principality in particular while waving the flag of independence as motivation for the war.

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>>137274823
>show literally about how there are no good or bad sides in war
>herp derp why aren't these guys considered the good guys

>>137276207
Its in zeta and zz, which is why I said "often" instead of always in regard to the original several series. In 0079 they are practically saints outside of the traitor and the couple of soldiers in Amuro's hometown.

>>137275019
Feddies are morally grey, Zeon were blacker than the whitest man in Argentina.

Zeon and what it stood for wasn't evil, but the Zabi family running the show was. Things would have been different if they didn't assassinate Deikun.

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>>137276207
Federation had some pretty fucked up people in charge Isan Ryer is a good example. He attacked a ship filled with wounded soldiers knowing it wasn't a threat and filled with wounded and he was using his forces as walking nukes to blow up the Zeon base.

>>137276467
That's material made later. Anon meant in the original series, which in the context of the discussion and OP question is the most relevant since it was the first.

08th kind of made both sides leaders major asshats though.

>>137276307
Except Zeon is categorically, comically even even compared to anything Feddies came up with. So much so that spacenoids started to hate Zeon

>>137276207
>>137276334
In Tomino UC, Zeon's goals are presented as bad (they're meant to be an analogy for the Empire of Japan even more than Nazi Germany), even if the individuals Zeek soldiers aren't. The Federation's (Tomino's take on cowardly Japanese leadership in the 1960s) corruption isn't really that the civilian leaders are greedy or power hungry like Zeon's leaders, just that they consistently sell their own people out to save their own skin. They pretty much do this in every series. Even 0079 has the backstory where the Federation was considering surrendering until Revil came back and told them to grow some balls.

Then the Japanese began rewriting Zeon as the good guys and the Federation began being depicted as outright evil, killing civilians left and right against the poor, helpless Zeons who dindo nuffin.

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>zeon did nothing wrong
Hello, /pol/!

>>137276467
I have no idea who that guy is, and he could have attacked a ship full with unaffiliated civilians and personally raped them and then executed everyone on board and then broadcast his deed on all channels while feasting on a dead child, and he would barely be as evil as Zeon.

That's just how cruel and monstrous Zeon has been shown.

>>137276552
Ah I see. If it's the original series then yeah Zeon was made out to be the ultimate evil and I don't remember the Federation really getting much attention in it's leadership. I think there were a few instances of White Base being asked to do near impossible things with little or no support, but that's not really corruption or being assholes since they could just have nothing to spare.

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Eat shit and die, Zeek scum

>>137276467
That's because 08th MS Team has garbage writing. Every fed officer is presented as a cackling asshole so you can sympathize with Shiro choosing to get space nazi pussy over his mission.

>>137276663
I don't think annihilating Australia is necessarily a bad thing.

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>>137275528
>UC Gundam
>realistic political drama

>>137276883

tl;dr literally #earthlivesmatter

and they don't

>>137276790
The fucking Zeons didn't even try to destroy Australia on purpose.

>>137275528
>realistic political drama

Worst than LOGH level on all fronts except the series by Ark Performance.

>>137277607

It was only as realistic as the politics of the Empire of Japan

>>137276663
Good riddance

Fuck Strayas

>>137277501
Most of it is #non-zeonspacenoidlivesmatter really, the people on the gassed sides didn't have souls weighed down by gravity.

>>137275978
Titans did the gasing

Feddies choose to ignore Haman's colony drop because they think it's a good way to reduce population

>>137276307
>no good guys
Space dolphins!

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>>137277710
>>137277578
>>137276663

Say that to my face bitch boys.

>>137277766

They had their souls weighed down by Earth money. They were complicit in the occupation of spacenoid kind.

>>137276942
>Anything about UC
>Realistic

Space sperms

>>137276663
>reduced world's shitposting by 87%

hail zeon, niggas

>>137276083
What's with this show and crips?

>>137278132
But who's gonna sell the rocks needed for post war reconstruction?

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>>137278132
>Next targets are BRs, Britbongs and all the Jose

Praise Garma

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Haters wanna hate
Lovers wanna love
I don't even want
None of the above
I want to make Purus
Yes I do

>>137276942
>non-UC Gundam
>realistic
>political
>dramatic

>>137274823
>Zeon
>"We're gonna liberate the colonies"
>murders other colonies while fighting Earthnoids

>>137276663
>moot ends shitposting once and for all

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Woah someone got cucked

>>137278757
Who? Because Reccoa never liked Char, she considered him a selfish asshole.

>>137277835
Dolphin are the real evil anon.
They kill others just for shit and giggle.

>>137278841
Char got almost got cucked in 0079,CDA what a bitch boy

>>137276606
Mai husbando <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaCpbwkNR0w

>>137278665
00 without movie

>>137278921
What about the newtype dolphins though? They just want to swim with Tiffa.

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>>137278938

>>137279047
Not him, but Char himself is basically just Racer X.

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>>137278938

>00
>realistic

And to think you're old enough to vote.

Zeon make the best car tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0x5rwr0SQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qkVhfi8j8

>>137274823
Because Zeon were friggin' space Nazis, dude.

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>>137278722
>"We're gonna liberate the colonies"
>murders other colonies white fighting Westerners

Tomino never tries to be especially subtle with his politics.

>>137279182

Those colonies were actively harboring Feddie fleets. They were practically enemy nations.

>>137279363
Actually most of them weren't. The Sides near Side 3 that were gassed had been gassed for not wanting to get involved.

>>137279452

They were just waiting for their Feddie masters to come back. It was politically and strategically justified to pacify those colonies.

>>137279513
>come back

The federation never left. Side 3 was under a trade embargo for declaring independence (because you have to be pretty retarded to think you can divorce yourself from the system and then still benefit from it when you have no goods to offer in exchange). Those colonies didn't want to get involved for purely economic reasons.

>>137279645

>Those colonies didn't want to get involved for purely economic reasons.

Political lingo to justify their own inaction. They got what was coming. Justice doesn't sit back and make excuses.

>>137279363
Maybe some form of control was in order, but the gassing? Really? And those slave camps in ZZ, I mean come on.

>>137279716
I know you're either baiting you just Black_Knight without his trip on, but st the end of the day the Zabis we the bad guys.

Thunderbolt ep.2 airing in less than 20 hours, and yet it's not appearing on anichart front page of currently airing shows, instead it's still hidden among the fall anime. Why is this?

>>137279777
Only according to you.

>>137278665
G reco

>>137279906
Probably salty Kirafags pissed that their trash AU's not got anything in its future trying to bury beautiful UC work out of spite.

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>>137280326

It could have been good.

>>137280326
>/m/ really is this paranoid and delusional
There's a reason you have a containment board.

>>137280533

What went wrong? SEEDverse was crazy popular even after Destiny.

>>137280533
After the whole sub plot of a natural OS in the original show. You would think the logical next step would be have some natural non mook tier characters in the sequel.

But yeah....

>>137274823
That's the point of UC Gundam. NEITHER side is good. BOTH sides are fucked. There's no black and white. There's just different shades of grey.

>>137276663
>zeeks aim for south america
>hit Australia
I'm tempted to say it's divine intervention.

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>>137278132

>>137279084
None of the Gundam is realistic.

Politics and settings are reasonable in 00, if you compare with other AU or late UC.
Early UC is asspull tier all the way through with politics.

>>137281133

>Politics and settings are reasonable in 00

Celestial Being cured global insurgencies by dropping bombs into jungles.

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Zeon has the best lolis. Sieg Zeon.

>>137280029
Not part of the UC main series technically speaking.

>>137274823
I'm a zeek apologist for hobby but Zeon is a horribile faction with charismatic and sympathetic characters. Which is pretty much how most Gundam shows tend to keep their factions.

>>137281245

Turn A is a distant sequel to UC
G reco is a distant sequel to Turn A

>>137281177
and weddings.

>>137276663
Fuck Straya
Fuck Dublin

Useless rocks where only cunts live.

>>137281291
Turn A is an AU with an attempted integration of parts of all the other AUs, since that contradicts the premise of UC and all the others AUs it is not cannon to anything but itself.

>>137274823
>Its pretty obvious that the Federation are evil and corrupt.
The Federation are literally the unironic good guys. All of the worst acts of the Federation are events where they allowed Spacenoids to have their way. If they actually did oppress Spacenoids as much as spacenoids act like they do, then Operation Stardust/Neo Zeon/Dublin/Axis/Cosmo Babylonia would not have happened because, for some reason, whenever the Federation gets too lenient, spacenoids start killing people.

>>137278841
>Because Reccoa never liked Char
Nah, Reccoa wanted to be seen as a woman and not just another soldier because she's been an intel agent since she was 13. Char being Char just led her to get her to do her fucking job and so that he can play soldier boy.

Which is weird because usually women talk about wanting to be notice for things not relating to their vagina.

>>137274823
Don't watch Gundam for the substance. Watch it for the robot fighten and amusingly stupid characters

>>137281785
Funny thing is that Gundam's retarded characters are probably a more realistic depiction of teenage behavior than the standard "15-year-old-boy-acting-like-and-being-treated-as-an-adult" stuff we usually get.

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>>137274823
Lest people forget

>>137281595

Turn A had a Neo-Zeon suit

>>137282090
Comprehend post before posting.

>>137282112

>Turn A is an AU because reasons outside what is presented in the story narrative

>>137282163
UC is cannon to Turn A, Turn A is not cannon to UC, in the same way that actual human history is cannon to UC, but UC is not cannon to history.

>>137281954
When you were in your early/mid teens, would you have murdered and innocent woman in cold blood over an accident she was not responsible for? Would you have betrayed and old friend and put him in a situation in which he would likely die, because you were jealous?

>>137282365
I don't know, I wasn't in the middle of the most destructive war ever fought in my early/mid teens.

>>137280020
Trust me, a lot of people.

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>>137277607
Gihren Assassination Plan definitely was some awesome shit. And my favourite part wasn't even all the convoluted politicking, but the renegade cripple division completely outmaneuvering the numerically superior loyalists with their cunning battle plan. Gotta hand it to Arc Performance. If only Gundam could have more of that instead of all the super prototype/newtype bullshit all the fucking time.

>>137282477

A lot of surface level plebs who assume Earth must be the good guy side, sure.

>>137282365
>Would you have betrayed and old friend and put him in a situation in which he would likely die, because you were jealous?

Is this supposed to be Char? Char's a colossal asshole, I definitely know people who have the "He made me mad, I'm going to slash up his tires on his car" type mentality. I don't really think "jealous" really describes it.

>>137282365
Who are you talking of?Who is this "innocent woman" you are talking of?

>>137282590

Char doesn't see people as friends or enemies. He stripped himself of empathy early on because he felt it was deadweight to him. Obviously, the only exception was Lalah and it was because she could completely understand him through psychic link. Char is a completely self centered, goal oriented person. When he found himself without any goals at the end of the Neo Zeon war, he became lost. Being at peace with himself and the world was as good as purgatory to him.

Hell, it was one of the last things Amuro accused him of in life - that he turned a little girl into a tool for the sake of satisfying his goals, goals he held just to give his own life meaning in a galaxy that was ready to leave men like him behind.

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>>137281206
If Zeon is so great, then why do Zeon lolis lust after Feddie cock? Checkmate, space nazi scum!

>>137282819
The problem is that Char's goals sound noble on the surface, but it's all just a facade for his selfish behavior. He talks a big game about spacenoids and peace, but in practice he's responsible for millions of deaths. When Amuro calls him out shortly before his death, Char doesn't attempt to justify why he did by saying the ends justified his means. He doesn't cackle like a madman and claim he did it out of hate like SEED's Char clone did. Instead Char has the gall to claim that he was the victim in all of this. All of these bad things happened because Amuro killed Lalah, Char isn't responsible for any of this!

That's the part of Char that strikes me as rather realistic. We all know at least one who never takes responsibility for this shit he causes, and then acts like it was everyone else's fault. The world may have wronged Char, but Char did more than his share to make the world a worse place and he doesn't give a damn.

>>137283193
>We all know at least one who never takes responsibility for this shit he causes, and then acts like it was everyone else's fault.
So, Char is the prototypical SJW? Tomino tried to warn us over 30 years ago, but we didn't listen.

>>137283193

He used his victimization to excuse his behavior. His behavior largely led him to a life without hard consequences. That became addictive. He enjoyed acting the part of the ace pilot, the resistance spy, the freedom fighter, the father figure, the rebel leader. He lies because he lives a lie, and he lives a lie because lies make him feel comfortable. Thats essentially the core of the character, what makes him 'realistic'.

>>137283322

Char is a textbook psychopath.

>>137283322
SJWs are a subset not an archetype.

>>137274823
Zeon had some good people in its ranks
Unfortunately they were lead by little hitlers.

>>137283193
>>137283346
It's really a pity that most Char clones never really seem to get what made Char work. They either focus on the part of him that was a charismatic rogue or the part of him that was a egoistic dickbag without understanding that what made Char such a good character was how the different aspects of him played off each other.

>>137283501
1More like mega-hitlers seeing as they beat the high score.

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Daily reminder that in the end Zeon won, the Spacenoids colonised the Galaxy while the Earhtnoids technologically regressed to the 19th century and MoonMoon became the dominant religion

>>137282590
I was talking about Beecha
>>137282754
Chan

>>137276789
kojima was nice....

>>137283618

Char clones are most effective when they step out of the clone stereotype and become their own characters. Zechs evolved into Milliardo Peacecraft who for all intents and purposes succeeded in his master plan. Harry Ord was characterized first and foremost with loyalty. Rau Le Creuset was revealed to be a complete anarchist madman. F91 had Darth Vader, and V Gundam had a poser with a brother complex.

>>137283709
>Chan
Yes,that makes sense.You know,everybody speaks about Hathaway's Flash and stuff but I always wondered what happened after the movie.
Did anybody find out?What would his dad say about it?How did he even live with himself?

>>137283941

Bright Noah lives to protect the Federation. Its that simple.

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Gato may have done a lot of wrong, but he's one of the best villains in Gundam, maybe even the best. He's strong willed, able to take control of a situation, loyal, brave, a skilled pilot, and manages to die on his own terms.

There's no denying that what he did throughout the series was wrong, but to be fair, the Feddies weren't exactly 100% pure either.

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>>137285213
>able to take control of a situation

>>137285213

Gato was a complete tool. He took a hammer to the #1 food supply for the human race because loyalty. He is barely a character.

>>137285546
The true believer is a character in its own right.

>>137285865

He wasn't a believer, though. He had personal loyalty to one man and only continued to serve him because being a soldier is all he knows. He didn't care about what his actions would do to the human race because he never thought about those things.

>>137285961
His loyalty was to the Zeon ideal, embodied in Delaz. That makes Gato a true believer.

>>137286031
>he's a sheep so he's a good character

>>137282489
I never thought the politics were convoluted, since the whole point of Gihren's Assassination was how overly paranoid the Zabi family had become with their infighting.

Johnny Ridden for example funnily enough highlights how even as corrupt as the Federation was, there were still competent people in it like Gopp and Oxner, but even they don't have full proof plans, merely their own projected estimations on how to solve the big problem.

Operation Niflheim was rather clever, possibly the the only instance of a series in Gundam franchise to ever utilize the weather to such a scale. Henry was practically Kongming.

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>>137281291
Their both continuity wise related to UC, but in terms of branding and in Sunrise's eyes: they are AU series, not UC.

>>137275375
Why mix English and French?

All Zeon ever do is betray and kill each other

>>137288409
dats wut we doe

Zeon did nothing wrong

Now the Feddies are human garbage scum

>>137287766
League is a French word. There are a shit tone of French words in the English language.

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>>137275011

>being a commie

Literally kill yourself.

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>>137283069
>AEUG
>Feddie

I always imagined Zeon Deikun as some scholar or shit but during origins he was just some paranoid loony. How would things be if that guy had remained in power?

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because Tomino is a retard

>>137274823
But Char was obviously the main character and the Zaku was obviously the main mech ever since 1979.

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>>137275459
Hitler did nothing wrong

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what if Gundam was good?

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>>137290434
>not liking gundam
>kouposter

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>>137276035
>then you're missing that Tomino was saying his country was in the wrong in WW2.
but they weren't

ifJapan had taken over China, then communism wouldn't have spread in Asia, causing millions of deaths

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>>137290525
OK, kind of harsh.
What if Gundam was competent?

>>137290108
They are Feddies, though. Despite their name sounding as though they were some anti-Feddie terror organization, they're actually just the "good guy" faction within the Feddies opposing the "bad guy" faction of Jamitov and his Titans. Did people not realize this just because they namend themselves AEUG? Bright never stopped being a Feddie and this made all the wacky kids he took under his wing de facto Feddies too.

>>137290580
Communism taking over China and thereby impeding the yellow peril for a few decades was a good thing.

>>137287122
Yeah displacing 70% of humanity's population onto a dying planet because you think it will cure their butthurt using a hilarious forgotten video game super weapon sure is a great plan that I can totally take seriously.

You'd almost think Ezelcant came up with this idea.

>>137291299
I think you quoted the wrong person.

>>137290580
>Mao was an ASSHOLE because he used the japanese invasion to gain power
>ifJapan had taken over China, then communism wouldn't have spread in Asia

Right wing knuckle-draggers like you can't keep a consistent argument at all.

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>>137291595
I wish

Also note that this hinges on the Zabis having a massive fuck you plan to destroy everything if they lose.

>>137292444
Can't recall any of this being mentioned in GAK where the politics revolve just around a game of who's backstabbing who. Johnny Ridden being penned by the same authors should have no bearing on judging GAK's writing.

>>137293529
I only meant to respond to the RoJR part of that post.

>>137293555
Ah, I got that mixed up somehow. My apologies.

>>137290525
>mixing /r9k/ shit with Gundam
Literally die.

>>137291299
They have the technology to super grow plants in space, a place where without technology wouldn't even be possible to live in to begin with. You really think a 'dying planet' is harder to work around then fucking having to build a giant ass cylinder made of pure metal then artificially creating an ecosystem around it?

>>137292444

What you think the computer on the ship was just trolling him or something?

>>137293529
>Can't recall any of this being mentioned in GAK where the politics revolve just around a game of who's backstabbing who.

You mean the entire game that Cecilia and Henry were playing the whole series?

>>137274823
>thunderbolt
If this is a ONA and being done at 4k, will it be getting a Blu-ray release?

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>>137274823
Zeon is exhausted.
Just like this thread.

#YouAintNoSpacenoidBruv

>>137292158

Not that faggot but Mao was an asshole because he basically took his communist army into the mountains while the actual Chinese army actively fought the Japanese alongside the British and the Americans. Then Mao took his army back into China and bumrushed the Chinese defense forces while they were exhausted and regrouping.

>>137297694
I wasn't denying he was an opportunist asshole who was shit at running a country, but that wasn't my point.

>Zeon were good guys, they dindu nuffin

Neo-UC is the worst.

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>>137274823
>Implying Char wasn't a hero.
And no origin doesn't count.

>>137274823
I think the overall thrust of the series traditionally is that the only heroes are well... the heroes.

The establishment, military, civic, and otherwise is something that is variously corrupt and oppressive and hurtful to humanity.

Only greater understanding and principled behavior by people better than the governments they serve or exist under can advance human understanding and welfare.

Anyone who blindly obeys either side is not helping anyone, they are merely perpetuating the destructive and pointless conflicts endemic to the Earth Sphere and the bad old ways weighing down humanity.

I always wonder

what is the total population in the UC world?

Shitton of people die from wars and colony drops yet people there don't think much about human life

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>>137274823

>>137274823
Now I want Johnny Ridan animated and I'll be a happy man.

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We all know who's really the worst character in the UC.

>>137300222
Worst UC character or plain worst Gundam character period?

>>137301301

As far as 0083 writing goes, she was conveniently turned into a plot device which would set the stage for the next four wars in the UC for the most laziest bullshit raison de'tre ever devised in the UC setting. You could argue she was a victim of bad writing.

>>137301384
Dude I don't care about that big picture shit.

When you support the dropping of a colony because you can't get over an ex (who really doesn't give much a shit about you), that demonstrates shittiness as a person.

>>137301440

It was shitty when she allowed the colony drop to happen.
It was really shitty when she shot a close friend.
It was super shitty when she appeared some time later to pick up said disgraced former close friend from prison with a fucking smile on her face.
It was mega shitty when the Titans came into power and started killing everybody.
It was zeta shitty when a young boy was forced to go on a long journey against the rule of the Titans only to end up a lobotomized retard at the end of his journey.
It was double zeta shitty when Purus started dying in droves and getting captured to be put into sex slavery.
It was nu shitty when Amuro was killed in action by a fucking asteroid base while trying to save the Earth from complete destruction because some bitch a decade ago decided she loved dick more than the human race.

Zeon killed millions upon millions of colonists (even their own citizens) and destroyed several colonies that they were supposedly trying to liberate. And then to top it all off, they dropped a colony on the earth that they're trying to preserve and save greatly fucking up it's ecosystem. Not only once, but 3 times, and attempted the same shit a 4th time in CCA.

>>137278204
Pretty much the entire Zeon force is a unit composed of people who have lost limbs, and replaced them with prosthetics. It's not any more farfetched than any of Zeon's other projects.

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>>137301301
>plain worst Gundam character period?

Impossible since Quess exists.

>>137302417
You can excuse her for being a rebellious teenager looking for attention. She's like, retarded.

>>137302463

Her problem was she was a spoiled brat with daddy issues. Char and Amuro said as much.