>previous Priest dies
>he was a vanguard and front-line fighter
>get told straight up by someone more experienced that a Priest is a commodity that should be protected
>he also informs you that enemies can identify Priests and will target them
>he hooks you up with a new Priest
>first day on the job
>you try to send her to the front lines
>this baffles you and you retrospectively lament why she won't co-operate
>hurrdurr why won't this Priest rush to the front to die like our old Priest did
There's only so much stupid I can sympathize with,
Mary deserves better than this.
>weaboo jRPG MMO healbots
If the only thing this priests do is heal people that has been brought back to safety they better get some regular battlefield nurse training for themselves and ditch her.
But they weren't struggling nor poor. They earned enough for underwear, new skills, food, and were able to do proper ambushes. Seriously, there wasn't anything anyone else could have done against an ambush and being shot in the back as they were just about to safely leave the city. Seriously, what could Mary have done to prevent being shot in the back!
Well, she is right about not wasting spells on bullshit (is it like d&d where you have a lited number of prepared spells or standard mmo with mana? If the latter, then maybe she should have healed. Mana regenerates, and if you let someone be too wounded you may not be able to keep up with healing) and she was definitely right about not charging in like a stupid faggot, but she is still extremely unlikable. Hope she dies, or changes drastically.
It seems like it's spells per day.
Hopefully they'll sit around and properly discuss shit instead of rushing out into the battlefield without a plan like retards. This last episode made it clear that they're realizing that communication is actually important.
Except they weren't learning, at least not yet. They've told that the enemy will target priests. They saw it happened to their dear Manato. And still they want Mary to go to the front? That's stupidity beyond tolerance level.
They're slowly coming to the realization that Manato was doing far more than he was supposed to. Next episode they should get their shit together and realize what each party member's actual role is supposed to be.
Seriously? We've been through this multiple times. Manato being in the front line has absolutely nothing to do with them being ambushed and him ultimately being shot in the back as he was the last to leave aka 'being in the fucking back of the group'. Seriously, even Mary wouldn't have been able to do things any differently under those circumstances.
She wouldn't have been on the frontline needing to go into full retreat first off, and she wouldn't have wasted her heals on some retard who scratched his finger, so she'd have healed herself.
Manato was a fucking retard too, he knew what he was and he didn't do anything about it. He never once told the rest of the tards that they should do things differently. Good thing the faggot died, I just hope a few more die too.
Haru was shot twice, that's no scratch. Healing him was justified.
The problem is that Manato was taking up the rear on their retreat. You should a tank taking up the rear when you're retreating.
>Whack chest with big ass sword
>Destroy the chest and the loot within
Good going, faggot.
The job of a thief is to stealthily get behind enemy lines and deal massive damage to unsuspecting enemies. A thief can take out high priority targets or thin enemy ranks, which is incredibly important to this party as they have trouble dealing with more than 3 or 4 enemies at a time.
The whole party is unoptimized though. Maybe they'll eventually figure out what they're actually supposed to do.
>She is unsympathetic
I sympathized more with her based on this episode alone than i did for anyone else. There's being inexperienced, there's being bad, there's being dogshit and then there's these fucking retards, who pure and simply fucking refuse to learn from their mistakes.
Carrying them would be taking over as leader and helping them git gud or wrecking goblins solo, but she's not doing anything; she just sits on her high horse being a sour puss.
Anon, he was sniped in the back, which has zero bearing by his decision to go frontline. You are going to be very specific how the two are linked here because that shit makes no sense.
Again, it was an ambush, and if you hadn't noticed, he needs to place his hands over the wound to heal it. How the fuck do you expect him to heal the wounds on his back? And what the hell is Mary is going to do against a bolt striking her in her back?
Even if it's completely unrelated, I still think the group is stupid for not realising that maybe, just maybe, they need to change things up a bit in order to avoid the same shit from happening again.
She's a straight healer. She has no attack skills and no abilities other than healing. Her entire job is to sit there and wait for someone to get injured enough that healing them is worth expended a spell slot. Yes, she's a bitch about it, but technically she's playing her role correctly.
Which wouldn't have made a difference since that goblin sniper had near perfect aim. He could have very well went for the headshot and outright killed the tank instead of letting him suffer like Manato had.
What same shit from happening? A fucking ambush by peer/better opponents that had had some sort of super aimbot goblin on their side? Even modern day soldiers die to that type of shit.
An experienced archer is going to have little trouble hitting the torso of a moving target. Getting a headshot is significantly more difficult.
If the tank is shot in the back while running away, that can be healed later - or it could if Manato had heals left - but if the healer is shot in the back, he's fucked, as is the rest of the party because now they're out of a healer.
They made a mistake because they never even considered the possibility of ambush. They had no proper escape plans or contingency plans, and that's why Manato died.
The definition of insanity is losing a healer on the front line and insisting that the next healer goes on the front line. Shit like this is why people think healers are stuck up bitches when in fact they are merely dealing with insufferable retards.
> Whole party crowds around a chest.
YES. If that is the nature of the group then they should ALL die.
Anything that gets destroyed was rusted garbage not worth looting anyway.
>Retreat from battle
>When the enemy has an aimbot crossbow sniper
>Thinking a tank would have made any difference acting as a vanguard against that bullshit
Mate, snipers are no fucking joke. Unless that vanguard is a literal tank, it will be taken care off by that sniper as they are retreating.
We've known they were bad from the get go. They're slow learners who have no idea what they're doing, and even after being told what to do, it's taking them several days for that advice to sink in. Now that Haru has stopped being a retard, next episode they should be able to properly communicate with each other and figure out what their actual roles are supposed to be.
It's not that they have an inability to learn, it's that they're slow to learn. They're quite literally retarded.
>has zero bearing by his decision to go frontline
Are you confusing me with some other anons that's been trolling about Manato or what?
Let me reiterate.
They've been warned about enemy prioritizing priests.
They saw their priest got sniped.
People with common sense would think that sending the priest to the front probably isn't a good idea.
I'm not talking about Manato's decision to be a melee healer, that's an whole other issue.
Anon, that crossbow sniper hit Haruhito in his fucking leg from far away. It purposely grinned evilly as it aimed lower for Manato's back. Everything suggests it could have sniped him in the head/neck if it wanted to. The anime made that point explicitly clear on that part.
Well she doesn't seem to have any other kinds of spells, as she's a straight healer, so her entire job is to sit back and wait until healing is worth it.
You're supposed to loot chests for things to sell you retard.
It's more like what >>137192209 said about the lack of planning and foresight. It's not necessarily the ambush itself, but rather what they could have done to prevent it from becoming as bad as it did. The way I see it, they got cocky, and it bit them back.
Anon, being in the backline means absolutely nothing when the enemy is an aimbot sniper. If he wants to snipe you, then he snipes you, no amount of positioning will stop that. Which is what I am also arguing about. We have zero idea how effective Manato being in the front line would be since he fucking died form something unrelated to that part.
There's a big difference between a mobile target and a stationary one. He was waiting in ambush of Manato and hit Haru instead, which brought him to the ground as he took a large wound. Then, from his grounded position, he became an easy target.
This is completely different from headshotting someone running away 100 yards away. Grinning because you're about to fuck a team up by shooting its' healer in the back is not the same as being an almighy, god tier hawkeye who can shoot a fly from a million miles away.
Yeah there was. Ranta took one on the leg and she refused to mete out a precious heal for something not entirely necessary.
Good call. Based Mary demonstrating battlefield wit.
I dunno breh, looks like they have an outright inability thus far.
They were told point blank the case and ignored it. The progression of this last episode was tantamount to "sad, sad, sad, blowjob joke"
They started out unable to kill even a single goblin and slowly learned enough to take on 3-4 at a time. They're not incapable of learning, simply slow.
The point of this episode was to show that, yes, this retarded party full of retards is too retarded to understand what they're told up front. Because they're retarded, it takes time for these to sink in, and now that it has, they can work to properly fix the problems their retarded asses clearly have.
This series for me has been shit so far. The story is okay.
The characters infuriate me, especially Ranta and Yume. Ranta needs to die a horrid death and Yume needs to change class.
But the worst thing about this series is the horrible directing.
Whoever directed this shit, whoever turned this anime into a fucking slideshow needs to be lynched.
And he was waiting in ambush against Manato at the end as well. And they were running away in nearly a straightline. And bullshit on how much easier on hitting him on the leg, Haruhito was twitching all over the place from being hit in the shoulder. An easy shot would have been toward his torso instead of the much smaller and moving around leg. The fact that they focus on the close-up on the goblin purposely lowering his aim to hit his back is implicitly showing it could have hit him in the head if it wanted to.
Wait, let me get this clear. So you are saying, that since it's possible for snipers to hit people in the back row, they should just send the healer to the front, allowing enemy melee fighters access to the healer, so that not only is the healer at risk of getting sniped she's also at risk of getting cut down?
I don't know if you ever play MMO, but if you do, don't let people know about your tactics when you are looking for healer.
Yume is so terrible with a bow, why even bother? Why doesn't she just become a breeding sow for a rich gentleman? Her life would be a lot more enjoyable.
Gee, if the anime has purposely rewritten the scene that is different from the original source, we can totally use the original source to prove how much the scenes are the same despite how different they are.
>Who are they supposed to send to the front row instead?
I drew a diagram.
>An easy shot would have been toward his torso instead of the much smaller and moving around leg.
He wanted to disable Haru so that retreat was less likely. And yes, shooting a stationary target - even if he's thrashing around - in the leg is significantly easier than shooting a moving target 100 yards away in the head.
And further, lowering your aim does not imply that you could have shot someone in the head. It means that the goblin realized that the most practical and sure-fire way to hit Manato was to aim for his back, and so that's what he did.
Hell, with your logic why didn't he just aim for Manato's heart? He clearly has amazing, perfect aim and can just throw out fatal shots like candy.
Seems like you're just ignoring what happened.
It was something not necessary to be dealt with. Manato had literally one heal per day, using that on an arrow to Haru cost him his life.
It was the right call. Ranta could still move for a bit before taking a knee, he could continue to fight.
It's called being a combat medic, you fucktard. Or are you saying medics that purposely go out to the front line to save lives are idiots? We have no idea of how effective Manato's strategy would have been since he was taken out by something unrelated to that strategy. It's like saying blitzkreig would have never worked because one of the generals was poisoned.
Because it wanted Manato to suffer before he died. How much more obvious can the anime get in regards to that? If the goblin wanted him dead immediately, then Manato would have been dead from the headshot, but it grinned evilly and aimed lower, and now we saw just how much Manato had suffered before he died. Mission fucking accomplished.
It wasnt hopgoblins that ambushed the party, but party that ambushed hopgoblin. In earlier pages thief scouted them
Priests must place their own safety above those of his comrades for if he dies, who will do the healing? Priests must sacrifice a member or two if it meant that he survives to save the rest.
This is bait right?
They didn't ask the healer to go to the front because they needed healing, they planed to use her as a melee fighter. That's like ordering the combat medics to go first in a charge.
You're projecting. It's just as likely that he was grinning because he knew he was about to take out the team's healer. This is further reinforced by us being told explicitly that enemies are aware of and like to target healers.
You're reaching far too hard to look for an excuse, but the fact of the matter is that they were unprepared and got punished for it. Everything requires tactical thought put into it, not just battle. If you're running away, you need a plan on how to run away so that you can minimize your loses. They didn't do that, and that resulted in Manato's death.
>the guy with more experience than them giving them advice as to the roles a priest should fulfill is to be ignored
>mary, who follows a similar train of thought, is also wrong
>he missed the entire point of the episode that they were relying too heavily on Manato and forcing roles onto him that he was not apt for
I mean, did you just tune out when Moguzo was chastising himself for not doing his job and protecting the Priest? They're not armoured units in Grimgar, you can tell that by fucking looking at them.
They wear cloth, dipshit.
Moguzo needs to get his shit together and go to the front with Ranta. Haru needs to be a little back to find opportune uses for his backstab skill. Ranta needs to be used as a lure and also he needs to be in the front so that he can die faster.
Yume and Shihoru need ranged DPS. We don't need another dagger user, we need more ranged ability.
Anon, we're not talking about the LN. The anime has deviated enough from it that we can't use the LN to directly compare to what happened within the anime. Manato never ambushed that hobgoblin within the anime.
Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
Why did Yume learn that dagger attack? Surely she wouldn't find it pleasant to be in the face of a goblin. She gave up on archery but don't hunters also learn about other things? What about traps?
>Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
some of them are retards and no person without personal issues is going to keep operating while the bombs are dropping or whatever is it you learn from black jack and us tv shows
>Mate, stop. Right now, you're practically insulting every doctor and combat medics that goes into warzones to save lives.
Pretty much, if heals are melee range like in Grimgar or real life then the healer will frequently have to put themselves in harms way, it's the way it goes. Mary is just a cunt
They were unprepared against an ambush. I'm not trying to sound like a smartass here, but isn't the part of it being an ambush means to not let them be prepared for it? There's really nothing anyone could have done to prepare for something that they weren't suppose to be expecting. Otherwise, it's not called an ambush.
> We don't need another dagger user, we need more ranged ability.
Mogs is the real tank and high DPS but so far hes barely doing anything aside from being a pack mule who can cook. He needs to step it up and start slaying bodies. Haru is a support and shouldn't actively be tackling enemies one on one. The chimp is the most well rounded fighter, and aside from being stupid hes doing an okayish job.
The real issue is the range bitches utterly failing at absolutely everything. Who the fuck plays hunter and can't use a bow? A shadow magic caster too nervous and shy to say simple spells aloud when around men? Get the fuck out of here. Those two should be plenty for a solid rear defense to keep the healer guarded and keep perspective over the battlefield.
Do you have anything to substantiate that they're armoured units, though?
Because the three priests we've seen so far are cloth-wearers. One of whom was the leader of the Priest's guild, and obviously someone who could afford more.
There's also that this recent episode spent a decent portion of itself establishing that they're commodities to be protected and kept away from the front lines.
The notion that they "tend to be armoured units" is something that lies in other universes and quite clearly takes no root in Grimgar.
She learned the dagger attack because she's completely worthless with a bow. She thought that, because she can't do anything with range, it would be better to learn something melee so she can contribute at least something. Her logic makes sense, but it's ultimately not good for the party.
When you're across enemy lines, you need to be prepared for everything, even what you can't prepare for. You are responsible for coming up with as many contingency plans as possible; you need to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
They did this to an extent by mapping out the city. This allowed them to figure out an escape route in the heat of the moment. However, they did not prepare enough to plan out a proper way to retreat. As a result, they left Manato unprotected bringing up the rear, and he died. This could have been avoided if they had properly planned for what they would do if they needed to retreat.
It's an ambush from the enemies' perspective, thinking they have the upper hand. That doesn't mean there isn't a proper method of conduct to minimize damage and/or losses. The fact that they didn't even consider the possibility of getting ambushed (being overly confident) is what cost them.
There's still the possibility priests can take a tankier branch. For example, Yume became a dagger user when it is implied the default weapon for her class is the bow. Or maybe there is a tankier priest class.
Commanders do view medical personnels and combat medics in high value, because, well, they really are more valuable than regular soldiers. And while combat medics are still in combat roles, commanders wouldn't put them in risky positions unless there is no other choice.
You are the one that's insulting real life military commanders and medics intelligence.
We are doing our shit in the backlines. Well away from the carnage. Manato went all the way into the front lines. When youre the only medic in your squad youre not supposed to become fodder.
No one was expecting the sniper waiting for them at the end. And no, even modern day soldiers with all their fancy gears and absolute on high alert are still very prone to ambushes. Vietnam is a prime example of this.
Uh. The only reason those grizzled scarred combat medics go in front is so they can save their team mate.
They don't do it to kill the enemy, which is exactly what happened in this "babbys first pug" disaster of a series.
He wasn't in the field at that point so it's a moot point.
Priests are established as using blunt weapons only so they're well comparable to priests from similar settings. I've never seen something were priests have the same restrictions on armor as arcane casters.
They wouldn't need to restrict themselves to blunt weapons if they weren't capable of melee combat.
The difference is recognizing what is reasonably possible and what is suicide-ly insane. Going back to what that previous anon said.
>Our training doesn't include "Charge into enemy fire and mortar to pull that one idiot who got shot in the hip and cant move"
That's not the part of the ambush that is up for debate, anon. We all agree that the initial sniper shot that set off the ambush was unavoidable for this group.
The issue being debated is how they retreated. They did not properly plan ahead or even think about how they should retreat. It's likely they don't even realize that you need to apply strategy to a retreat either. As a result, they left Manato in the rear, leaving him as a prime target to get sniped while they ran away.
>no one except Ranta understands the role of their class
>thief taking the role of a warrior
>hunter can't shoot for shit and just uses her knife all the time
>mage constantly fucks up her own spells and stutters the incantation
>Warrior is much of a pussy to put his crazy strength to good use
It's not that she can't, it's that she didn't. Skills cost money, so as until they get their shit together, they're not getting any new skills.
Yume wanted to contribute to what was happening on the battlefield. In order to contribute to a battle, the most obvious way to do so is to learn how to do damage. She can't do damage with a bow, so she decided to switch to a dagger because that way, even though she's not properly specialized for it, she can do damage and contribute.
The problem is that she's a archer who doesn't fucking arch. Yume needs to get her shit together and do her actual job.
I don't think her logic is that good. No one is going to be a great archer without any practice. She gave up without even trying much just because it's easier to swing a blade on something crudely rather than aiming properly with a bow.
I'm not saying her logic is good, just that it makes sense. It makes sense why a bad, new player would invest points in easier to use skills than harder but more effective skills.
I'm not excusing her going melee as a fucking ranged class. I'm just saying that I understand her thought process.
>it's a moot point
It's not, though.
>because they use blunt weapons they regularly use armour despite that we've seen no substantiation for this
That's good and all, and perhaps at higher levels they gain the ability to use armour, but you're missing the core point: we're talking about scrubs.
Manato and Mary are not high levels nor do they have access to armour. They're still in that stage wherein they must be protected and every source indicates that's the stage in which Priests perpetually reside.
Basically, you're spouting pure conjecture with very little basis that has zero pertinence to the instance you're applying it to, anyway.
She was pretty much thinking in the short term. Being able to deal damage was all that mattered, but in the long run it screws her over because she's an archer, not a front liner.
But they still sent them to the frontline, so having them learn some combat training is a must.
Considering he had no other choice since him being in the backline in Grimgar is still within targetting range of enemy rane weapons and that he can't afford to lose any of them due to very limited personnel, I say he's just making good use of his limited resources. Because he does not have a reserve to work with here, nor does he had a forward base and armored vehicles to protect him as he moves forward to save lives. The quicker they end the battle, the safer everyone else will be.
Can you niggers fuck off already? Melee hunter is viable assuming she learns utility skills eventually. Better that than using a bow you're awful with and eventually accidentally shooting your party in the back.
Unfortunately this series only hits a few of the MMO tropes that piss people off so much:
> Melee priest
> GRRRRL gamer don't sit on me hilly boys
To keep up with the rest of the MMO community they need to hit the other pug disasters such as the
> Blow your load mage
> "im a deeps durr" tank
> stealthless rogue
Remember this isn't a game. Their learning process isn't click-ok-pay-money-bang-done. They had to undergo training, just not shown. So I don't think we should assume that she didn't try, even though she probably should try harder.
>Not armoured vehicle
Mogzo can block arrows with his plate. Manato is supposed to be at the back with Shihoru, if mobs get close Shihoru needs to bind them. Manato will be safe from almost all harm i guarantee it.
Ranta is barely wearing armor either. Haruhiro and Yume even less. They need protection as well.
If someone should take the risk it's the healer because he can heal himself faster than he can other members.
The party already has more than enough melee classes. It's lacking in ranged support and her class is mainly used for range. And fuck off with melee hunter; that's just as retarded as combat mage. These people are not thinking far ahead enough to specialize into advanced playstyles. They're working in the short term and making bad decisions.
Melee hunter could work, potentially, yes. But that's sure as hell not Yume's intention. She's essentially just abandoning her class's main quirk because she's not good at it.
I'm not saying she didn't try, and like I said I understand her reasoning. The problem is that she's an archer who doesn't use a bow. It's her job to practice as long as it takes until she can use the basic tools of her class properly.
>if someone should take the risk it's the only guy capable of healing wounds with less offensive capability than the others (except for Shihoru, but that's an issue of basic competence, not potential)
Because someone has to be. You'll come to find out his defense mechanism is to assume everyone already thinks he's a shit and acts accordingly. In an odd sort of way, he's the most selfless of the party because he lets them abuse him and doesn't just bail on them.
Problem is, you have no ranged dps in this party now. With one more melee character it's even harder for shihoru to hit anything with her cc magic, and she already sucks at that.
>They're working in the short term and making bad decisions.
It's fucking perma-death m8, short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them, they won't survive if they try to play the long game.
I'm not saying ranged is a bad thing, if it were up to me they'd all have bows and train for both melee/distance, but it's just not feasible for an airhead with two left hands like Yume.
>anons saying the new healer is wrong for not going with the team's suicidal wishes
>defending previous Priest and co.'s tactics
What happened to /a/ all of a sudden?
I thought we were having fun by pointing out how stupid these adventurers were
Even the characters within the anime are making fun of them
>It's fucking perma-death m8, short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them,
They're not in a video game where weapons can only be used in a dungeon. That bitch should be practicing archery 8 hours every fucking day. No excuses.
>short term thinking is the only option if you're as bad as them
Anon, we agree with each other. I'm saying that I understand Yume's decisions, but ultimately it's bad for her and the party.
I'd say swap Haru and Ranta, make him sneak ahead and scout, plant traps, slit some throats, AKA [b]PLAY HIS FUCKING CLASS[/b]. If/when detected, hightail the fuck outta there and fall back on your combat formation.
It takes time for Shihoru to cast her spell, and as we have seen, she really can't cast any spell without LoS, which also makes her vulnerable to enemy fire. But as I have repeated so many times, we have no idea how far Manato's strategy would have paid off/failed spectacularly since he died from something unrelated to his decision to go in the front line. For all we know, the bashing is just in the beginning until the others stop relying on him and he can pay for more healing spells. And let's be honest here, those guys need all the help they can fucking get.
Actually we don't know if the priests in Grimgar wear armors, but we do know that neither Manato nor Mary was wearing armors, so those who keep brining up melee cleric or tanking cleric are just shitposting.
Anon, there's no point in thinking and planning for the future when you are starving to death in the present. And since it's only been a fucking month, how much long term planning could you expect to pull off?
Did this place remind anyone else of Ragnarok Online thieves guild? I wonder if they're taking inspiration from RO for this anime.
None of this would have happened if they had the most overpowered piece of shit ever made in ancient times.
But that's the whole idea of the show, these are a bunch of noobs who never mmorpger'd in their life trying to survive. They have no idea what they're doing. You're watching the shitty party, the good players are with the other dude.
>turning down a gold coin because muh pride
>having pride when you're a retard
>not seeing it as an investment
>not making Renji-Senpai proud by using that gold coin to outfit yourself with better equipment, skills and progressing as Human beans
>dropping it back into his hand like an ungrateful manlet swine
Hiro is the hero that nobody deserves
Grimgar is essentially a show about nips learning proper MMO mechanics the hard way.
Wizardry games are a big thing there and yet most nips are fucking horrible in normal MMO party plays and can't handle proper raids.
For sure, that was my point. Forget tomorrow, just survive today.
>But as I have repeated so many times, we have no idea how far Manato's strategy would have paid off/failed spectacularly since he died from something unrelated to his decision to go in the front line.
Do they have paladins in Grimgar? He should have just been one and gone Deus Vult on heathen monster scum while still having a few heals just in case
He's probably trying to save up enough money for the armor and weapon. For all we know, maybe paladin/war cleric are top-tier shit and he was speccing for it with his combat skills instead of heals. But then a rival PC monster group found out and took him out before he breaks the game.
darkness is more like the "Hurr-durr im chain pulling the entire instance" tank
I have one in my
pathfindergroup, frontline cleric is pretty sick too bad war priest is a better alternative if you want that now
Maybe that's why the head priest said Manato had so much potential? He knew he would turn out to be a fine paladin/war cleric when be chose to pick bash over the healing spells like all of the other shitty healers.
I'll take this over the usual "MC is so OP that he literally breaks the game to win" bullshit I've been seeing in so many MMO animu
>grimgar isnt all that much like a game except for skills
>every viewer treats it as a game and tries to project either their WoW playing experience or D&D power trip fantasys onto the series
I actually like Grimgar minus the slow pacing thats starting to undertrump Rokka but this really isnt a show I can enjoy watching with /a/.
Also you guys need to accept that they are their own characters and not self-insert targets.
It's true we never find out his whole plan, but if that's his plan shouldn't he act like a paladin AFTER he got armors? What? Was he getting familiarized with the role beforehand?
>tfw Manato was the only one building for lategame and only died because his team panicked and didn't retreat properly
Goodnight sweet prince, those idiots didn't deserve you. ;_;
No xp system here, you have to pay for skills, so rather than wate precious gold on learning the useless heals, he just specced for combat so he can buy his armor and weapon immediately afterward.
no the characters really just have no common sense. If people get seriously injured or knocked out the priest can bring them back up, if the priest gets taken out they are done for. That very simple logic has nothing to do with games.
>Also you guys need to accept that they are their own characters and not self-insert targets.
They're self-inserts for blocks of wood and roadkill.
People in India watch this and relate.
Haru's a fucking poo in the loo.
You are just saying this using your shitty RPG experiences. There are plenty of RPGs where healers can be on the frontline and this is not a fucking game.
They die if they get seriously injured, there are no HP sponge guys for outdrawn encounters or anything. You are not applying logic here, your view is just too narrow.
Having just 1 more person hitting somebody to death and holding the front helps a lot.
That's kinda the ironic thing. In d&d 3.5, all of them are actually specced for late game combat. 2h fighter, duskblade, sneak attack rogue, melee ranger (bows really suck), battlefield control mage and melee cloistered cleric.
I guarantee you he wasn't doing anything for himself. Any money he was saving was probably going to be used to buy the other party members things. After Haru starts taking leadership seriously, he realized that Manato probably never thought about doing things for himself.
Luckily the skills they learn later on start to actually look like proper skills. Ranta especially picks up some really flashy ones. Don't underestimate Mogzo's simple looking skills, though. His THANK YOU cut is actually one of his strongest skills.
Except when not a single person in the party can hold their own then no, the Priest should not be at the front lines tanking.
Would you have taken it?
As it turns out, late game builds don't work super well early game because you don't have anything of what you need to supplement that playstyle. Turns out there's a reason they're lategame builds.
There is absolutely no indication of that. But fine, lets go with your head canon, that's still retarded. This isn't a game. In games people might do this because if they get unlucky and die they can just rez. In Grimgar, people die when they get killed.
>Except when not a single person in the party can hold their own then no, the Priest should not be at the front lines tanking.
Its exactly the opposite. When nobody can hold their own then anybody has to help hold the front.
Otherwise its just the priest running away after the front row died.
Also Manato only has a touch heal spell. How the fuck do you guys even imagine this to work?
Umm..., all of those work in early game. It's just at early game, HP are so low, that fights are won and lost at who won initiatives and lucky crits, which was exactly what caused the death of Manato.
>Get soft because you can live for a few months without having to work
>Or buy higher tier equipment, which makes you think you're better than you really are since you're doing more damage than you should at your level
>Get wrekt even harder as soon as you run out of that pitty coin
I'm not the person who was arguing that Manato be a backline Priest. I never said that he shouldn't be able to deal damage, I said that he shouldn't be TANKING monsters. The reality is that his party was just too incompetent for his own good, but Manato tried to do too many roles on his own when he should have let his party take the risk.
It's actually real, but it's so hilariously useless that even his guild master told him not to rely on it at the moment. Reason being that during the daytime the demon will only do things "if it wants to", and since they never venture out at night then you don't really see it actually help.
If she would be competent enough, yes.
But its obvious that unlike Manato who smack people dead she isnt skilled enough to fight front.
You guys need to step out of your narrow "Class X does Y" world view and look at the characters and what they are capable of and what they arent.
>I said that he shouldn't be TANKING monsters. The reality is that his party was just too incompetent for his own good, but Manato tried to do too many roles on his own when he should have let his party take the risk.
Sorry, I misunderstood then. With this I can agree.
Yes they need to pay to get training. Just like in real life. Though irl people would probably not pay to learn to cut diagonally.
Either way it still has nothing to do with this bs about tanking cleric.
He was so close to thieving that pussy
All good. I definitely agree he should have been helping attack since Mogzo and Haru are wimps and Ranta has no idea when to attack things at the right time. I think that's why the head priest was so confident in Manto's abilities, since he didn't just try and focus on healing.
But he already has two
I think the most disappointing part about this show isn't the godawful pacing, etc. but the fact that the ED vocals are so fucking lackluster. It reminds me of supecell with Koeda, except Koeda actually puts the emotion into the singing that you need to bring out the hype in these kinds of songs. We could've at least gotten one worthwhile thing from this show but even there, my hopes were dashed.
>You guys need to step out of your narrow "Class X does Y"
Then why have classes then? It's clear that the author wrote these to bank on reader's familiarity with these classes, and now we are supposed to forget about classes?
The current best known Crimson Moon is Souma, who is a Samurai class. Renji is also a pure attack style class.
That being said, I think Paladin's are quite high-tier in Grimgar considering the Daybreakers clan had a member that went way out of his way to find someone to train him in it.
Stop fucking discussing, let's do it this way.
6 Anons build the main characters, 4 anons build the goblins, we re-roll this fight. The MC party is surprised.
Roll20, DND5, 3.5, ADnD or Pathfinder rules.
>Spend all your pitty money on good equipment
>Slaughter smallfries because of good equipment
>Make change off of smallfries, not enough to purchase significant improvements
>Run into actual challenge
>The good equipment you were using has become a crutch and now you're not properly prepared
Not forget. They are like jobs, they limit what skills the characters can learn and what they can do and what they cant do.
>Priests cant help out at the front lines
is not a restriction imposed by the classes. Infact, Manato has a fucking [Smash] skill and his heal skill is a touch spell, so he needs to be at the front to actually use it mid-combat.
This is just a restriction you are putting in there by yourself because its the only way you can imagine a priest to work. You arent really looking at the characters and what they have at their disposeable.
Reminder that the anime utterly fucked up with Mary, Yume and Shihoru. But mostly Mary
tHe goblins are cool also strong. They each have shot guns and full plate armor also under that plate armor is a bullet proof vest. Also under that they each had that surgery robo cop had to become robo cop also they have all of robo cops powers.
Who is the party leader?
Who is the main tank?
Who will scout ahead?
Who is responsible for crowd control?
What is our itinerary?
What will be our objective at the location?
What party formation will we be using?
Why isn't the main tank in front aggroing the mobs?
Why is a rogue telling me how to play my class?
Why is dps telling me to go in front and melee?
Why is our only ranged dps in melee?
Why don't you man up and get your pussy ass out of here with that papercut flesh wound instead of bitching me out for every single heal?
Do any of you even know what the fuck you're doing?
Why aren't any of you answering my questions in clear concise responses?
Where the fuck did you newbies graduate?
Why am I even here?
Oh, because your last priest died doing this exact same bullshit you're asking me to do?
I understand now.
I understand all of you have no fucking clue what you're doing.
Go fuck yourselves.
1 Gold is not enough to buy equipment good enough for there to ever be that much of a difference in skill between the party and monsters. You don't know it since the anime hasn't mentioned it, but to properly outfit Mogzo in plate armour would cost over 10 gold coins. All 1 gold coin would do is allow them to buy out their contracts and have ~40 silver left over for amenities and maybe some skills.
You are seriously overestimating the value of 1 gold coin.
>Not just fighting the same goblins they have being fighting the whole fucking time.
Why would they move from a spot that give stable income? They get all their needs met from killing goblins what you guys are saying makes no sense. You just assume that they will go into a battle with a huge ogre or some shit instead of just killing regular goblins and hob goblins.If they had that gold they could just get everything they want from goblins and make a stable living never going poor.
Seriously? I was just joking around, but now I am starting to wonder just what is Manato's end game plan. He was the only one to actually go and talk with other people in the tavern and has close contact with the head cleric. He must have known something. Could he really be aiming for being a paladin?
particularly egregious case here, this novice actually thinks he's pretty good but he's a giga-shitter who thinks managing mana = not keeping allies alive, this guy further confuses novices by using elements of good technique to bait teammates and act petty
not only does this not use dnd mechanics but that's also not how you play a cleric in dnd, you're another instance of particular stupid that should clearly know better but doesn't, which means you have no excuse for being such a novice
this one is pretty bad too, and not even a little bit because of the Mary comment, which was correct
probably the last novice of novice comments but it would be wrong to leave out a novice alert just because they're not really awful
this is next level stupid, unrelated to any form of novicedom I've ever encountered and probably just bait or euros not knowing how to speak English again
>Our training doesnt include "Charge into enemy fire and motar to pull that one idiot who got shot in the hip and cant move"
Impressive. I wonder if the poster to whom you're responding anticipated you would be trained in such matters.
>go back to Renji
>pretend to return it
>solemnly leave bar
>go to Manato's grave
>pay a silver to dig it up
>lecture him on the merits of combat priest builds in the current patch
>spend the rest of it remaking John Cena merchandise
>Why would they move from a spot that give stable income? They get all their needs met from killing goblins what you guys are saying makes no sense.
I don't know, why did they attack the goblin in full plate with a hobgoblin servant?
>melee ranger being good
You're retarded. Rangers have full bab with a d8 die and spells that can't turn him into a fighting god, unlike the cleric. The only benefit is his one extra attack he gets over the bow variant, which is at a -10 penalty, and he has to be in melee range for it.
Because they were just raveling in goblin territory ? Obvious if they got new equips and skills it would not be as difficult to face higher level goblins if they so happened to attack. But going on living ambushing goblins with the help of the gold coin could give them a stable living.
Honestly, probably not. He -may- have had an idea about what other classes were out there from his guild master or someone else mentioning it, but he was too focused on getting the other party members up to speed with proper gear since he was too concerned with their survivability.
That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Mogzo at some point specs into Paladin. He's already the party's strongest melee (at Volume 3 chapter 5, anyway) so it's not hard to imagine that he'll want to have support abilities as well later on.
>let's stop to lunch
>at the enemy territory
>we've been attacking the enemy city for days, they wouldn't ever organize an ambush party at us, right?
>time to move
>cleric in front instead of ranger/thief
They lost focus on what they were doing, as a matter of fact the thief noticed the ambush, but it was too late.
>It's that Mary SHOULDN'T be expected to be in front.
Not arguing that. Only arguing against the people who keep spouting about how "unlogical" it is for a priest to be at the front because of some kind of dogmatic class thinking.
Mary doesnt need to be at the front because she actually has ranged heal. Also I reckon Manato was better than her at smashing things with his staff.
See? This is looking at the actual situation instead of reducing it to Class X doing Y.
Well he is fighting 4 robo-cop goblins so the rest of his party should all be robo cops as well each with different classes.
>Thief robo cop
>Warrior robo cop
>Archer robo cop
>healer robo cop
Users manual to robo cops, radio support
>mage robo cop
The goblin robo cops are much faster then them mind you
>still fighting goblins
When are these going to get there shit together?
Funny enough, due to experience Mary actually has more melee capability (she's even got a counter-type skill) than Manato but the reason she chooses not to help out at the frontlines is because of something that happen in the past that she blames her over-eagerness to heal on.
Well that doesn't sound promising. Keep in mind I have no idea what happens after Volume 3 chapter 5 so I was merely speculating.
At the pace the anime decided to go at, probably not until the last episode or two. Though they do go back to
avenge Manato's deatha little earlier, so maybe episode 9 or 10?
The only thing Manato did wrong was wasting Mana (and getting overconfident in the LN).
He was better at melee fighting than the rest of the party, Haru is not wrong with that statement.
MMO shitters need to stop thinking that roles and builds need to be dedicated and specialized. Manatowas a healer but he was a fine melee fighter. Rangers/Hunters do use daggers and short swords, not only fucking bows, because their focus is actually tracking and using animals. Thieves do have the role of flanking and backstabbing aside from scouting and disarming traps.
>Ranta will barely get pity sex with Zodiac, if any
He will drown in pussy
Bitches love Dark Knights
Because a goblin pack is clearly too much for them to handle. Besides, they are a paramilitary defense force tasked with patrol and reconnaissance. They're not supposed to be attacking strongholds in the first place.
>Class X doing Y
That's the natural result of having class clearly stated in the story.
But my gripe is about how stupid they are. Yeah I know they are supposed to be stupid because they know nothing. But it didn't need to go that far.
>warned about priests getting targeted
>still asked the priest to go to the front
>got upset when the priest said no
I expected that from Ranta, but Haru too? That going full retard, and you already know the second part of that sentence.
wut? There's so much wrong with this post that I'm not even sure how to begin. Normally, no one picks rangers, but if they do, it's far better to focus on things besides bows since bows scale horribly to combat and can be negated by one fucking spell, and barring greater manyshots, really fucking bad in general.
To move up in the world? They're not exactly living comfortably, you know. You'll never make enough money to properly buy housing and decent equipment/skills if you don't kill better monsters. Also, you need money to travel if you ever want to try a class that's not taught in Altana.
They're also known as the "Goblin Hunters" and are routinely mocked by other adventurers. So there's pride at stake, too.
While that was true in the LN, in the anime it's actually a true ambush and there's nothing they could have done to avoid it except not have had Manato as their vanguard.
Well, if Haruhiro were leading we know he could have seen it coming.
But I wasn't really saying that they shouldn't have had him leading. I mean, he was their leader and knew the city the best so it makes sense.
They are ambushed in the anime. I'll grant you that they were overconfident in the LN and went too far in over their heads.
are you still a monk if you use undead limbs to slap your enemies to death?
Just reading through the thread and highlighting posts by people who are clearly trash for anyone else to save the time of anyone else who isn't
this is your notice
I'll do the rest of the thread in a few I'm just talking to a buddy right now
>INT [anything but 0]
Yeah I don't know what that's about. At first I thought maybe that's to set up the viewer for Manato's death, for shock value. But they dragged on for another episode. Perhaps the publisher demanded that they don't go far.
At least give Manato some credit. Him dying DOES shock some INT into the party, luckily.
I'm actually really confused with the pacing, too. Maybe if they're planning more seasons I can see it being reasonable but the LN is on Volume 7, and we're like to only get to maybe the first bits of Volume 2 by the end of this season.
it's a absurd concept, why would you dispatch somebody without a weapon that properly lets him or her to defend one self.
Equalent today would be to ban army medic from wielding fire arms and just arm them with a combat knives and shovels.
But again, who else in the group would you trust as the role of vanguard for their escape? Can't say anyone but Manato since it's clear only he is the component one to not fuck it up.
Moguzo because he can take an arrow with his armour.
He just has to stand there.
Actually, what the fuck are you talking about
>it's clear he's the only one who wouldn't fuck it up
Nigga died. Just throw anyone in his position and if they die it's a less jarring loss if nothing else because they're shitter than Manato.
as if the RISK of getting killed wasn't enough to make them act with extreme urgency/activate their fight/flight response, they still continue to act like retards even after one of their comrades is killed like a pig in front of them. these retards deserve to die, each and every one of them
Why is that the archer never ever has proper weapon to defend himself close quarters?
The only bullshit is Haru's MC-tier luck. Imagine being able to one-shot a raid boss on based on an extremely low chance for your insta-kill to activate.
https://grimgarthetranslation.wordpress.com/ Chapter 3 of Volume 5 was just released yesterday.
They (mostly) get over his death by the end of Volume 1, and there's currently 7 out. They're actually really good at getting shit done when they aren't crying. The only party members who seem to be lagging behind somewhat are Ranta and Yume since they're both pretty dumb.
I'm no further than what's translated so I don't know too much about the line, but what I took from Haru single-handedly
finishing off Deathpatchwas that it's more or less an insta-kill. I suppose it could just be equivalent to a super high critical damage increase or something.
Not really. The vanguard is suppose to be the one that can prevent people from coming after the rest of the party and fast enough to catch up to the others afterward. If you have the slowest member as the vanguard, he is not catching up to the others, at all.
He should also steal said second weapon
But he's an Archer
What you just said is silly
The slow guy wouldn't have caught up to the others since the much faster goblin would have caught up and overwhelmed him. Unless you want everyone else to slow down for him, then Mog is doing the opposite of what he is supposed to be doing as vanguard.
>Not going vit+dex priest
Literally day 1 scrub priest
Theres no HP and if you cut through a vital organ then you usually kill the target.
Maybe if they fought weird creatures with backup vital organs like 2 hearts or shit like that it wouldnt be an instant kill.
A problem that we didn't discuss yet (I suppose, I'm not 24/7 here) is that the group never experienced goblins with ranged weapons. They didn't really know how to retreat in such a case.
Against melee goblins it makes sense to put the slowest person in front who dictates the speed of retreat, while the others can check the surroundings and fire an arrow or a spell while still keeping up with the slow guy.
Having him in the back is probably better if there are enemies nearby chasing the group, but it makes it also easier to stop the whole group.
Sure they did. There was a scene where a goblin on a high vantage point was sniped. One of the ranged dps' duties is to try to deal with ranged goblins by suppressing them or drawing them into melee range through constant pressure.
Step it up.
One of two things happens.
>one of the lesser armoured, faster ones goes in the back
>dies because they still can't outrun arrows
>others are still in danger because they went down fast
>slowboy in back
>may take an arrow or two
>may take a leg-shot and require further arrows
>better chance of buying time
I'm a DM for a bunch of my friends and at least 2 people die every session to swarms of bats or doing retarded shit. They're all level 3 and they die to level 1 encounters which I nerfed by giving them warning beforehand...
>MMO shitters need to stop thinking that roles and builds need to be dedicated and specialized
Then the author should avoid using mmorpg mechanics.
"Tanks doesn't need to be tanks" "Healers can be melee fighters"
Then stop fucking calling them "tanks" and "healer".
If we go in setting they shouldn't even know what a "tank" is in first way.
You're comparing a random shit goblin that couldn't aim to whatever that crossbow goblin that ambushed the party. It's like comparing beating up a random homeless person to fighting against a MMA fighter. That crossbiw goblin, in addition to taking the rogue out of the fight, was constantly on the move to deny them an easy stational target while using covering fire when Yume and Shihoru was about to come out to support the others. He held them off until the fuckhuge goblin could engage the two in close quarter combat. They were never trained against someone that operates that hard.
Why would you put Leroy Jenkins first? shouldn't you send the thief first to scout?
Also, bestgirl perfect position would be certainly behind tank with the fat whore but she doesn't how to use a bow so she should be moved to melee dps range.
Both are horrible choice, as the actual best person for the job is either Haruhito or Yume. But none of them are ready for the responsibility of being vanguard, so between Manato or Mog, and assuming no one knew supersniper goblin was hunting them, I would have picked the quick thinking and faster Manato over Mog.
Now you're just assuming the goblins in that battle were somehow 'stronger' or 'higher level' or 'more experienced'. The fact is the party was not ready to fight that battle for a laundry list of valid reasons, including failures by all party members to perform their optimal duties in that situation.
Maybe you should just start listening/reading instead of replacing exactly what the show is telling and showing you with your head canon of the way classes are supposed to work.
The show is exactly telling you in not-subtle way how they interprete the roles and how the intepretations differ from person to person (Mary vs Manato).
Stop being an MMO shitter.
The goblin didn't ambush, they wasnt waiting them for atacking them. there was a single goblin that spoted the party, and ataccked them, then they panicked and aggroed the entire area.
The LN very detailed explains how those are not just goblins but hobgoblins (which are more sturdy built) and how they had equipment vastly superior to the other roaming goblins.
One was using a proper fencing stance, another was decked out in gear and jnew to never let the ranger and mage get LoS on them, and both the first and last shot was aimed toward the healer. That is so not random mob material.
This threads remind me of those kids that think that by playing call of duty or other shitty fps they are ready to war and they would slaughter thousands of enemies.
Everyone complaining about them not being efficient and not knowing their roles is an idiot, because they forget that the characters are a bunch of teenagers that have to put their lives on the line by fighting terrible monsters and with a few weeks training. Of course they suck, and of course they don't know shit about mmo strategy if nobody taught them, it's realistic
I prefer the adventures of Bob and his team.
They are on an adventure.
>the world set up like a game
>expect people not to make assumptions based on games they played
No, the author clearly was going for "they did everything wrong so Manato died". Stop with that "don't apply game logic to Grimgar" line, but it certainly is following game logics.
I know this is open to opinions but the source material is the source material, the anime is the anime.
If the anime doesn't give a certain info, then that info wasn't given, is as good as not existing.
You can't assume the info in the novels works for the anime, because like in any adaptation there can be anime-soruce differences.
In anime they didn't say they were special goblins so the right thing to assume is that they are just normal goblins
>proper fencing stance
Because that's indicative of a veteran warrior of many battles.
>decked out in gear
It was armored as a tan kunit.
>never let the ranger and mage get LoS on them
They were constantly out of position.
>both the first and last shot was aimed towards the healer
The healer aggroed the sniper and the healer was the last one to leave the battle.
The mental gymnastics some of you uninitiated anons make to justify your assumptions that it was some super special killer veteran goblin party which surprise attacked them is amazing.
>Post starts off saying these are realistic people in a horrifying real and dangerous situation who acts realistically. Ends up saying MMO strategy would have helped them.
Can't tell if serious...
Thief class has an insta kill passive with low proc rate during backstab.
It gets ridiculous as in getting oneshotted by Dragons.
>A fucking crossbow for example.
The solo goblin that first encountered the group (that I assume wasn't part of the goblin squad) had a crossbow too, in episode 1, one of the two goblins they fought had a crossbow too. So crossbows doesn't look like advancet equipment.
Although, it makes me wonder why the fucl Yume doesn't pick a crossbow, even retards can use a crossbow with little training
That's only true for the LN, as the anime did not show it was Manato's suggestion to take on hobgoblins. So all we have is him and his group being ambushed when they least expect it. Can't really say it's his fault for being ambushed.
The fact that people think crossbows are hot shit goes to show some of you have no idea what you're talking about. Crossbows are one of the most user friendly pre-gunpowder era weapons ever made.
Whatever. Then they are a group of goblins that killed Manato but are actually completely unrelated to the hobgoblins in the LN.
I hope you guys enjoy that stick up your asses.
He is a priest. Its not his job to lead from the front, its the tank's job or the scout's job. And on top of that, he stepped right into an open area which was surrounded by high vantage points. It was absolutely his fault.
Yeah, probably the mmo strategies would have helped them, but you can't expect them to know them if they never were taught, also even if the knew it's hard to put them into practice.
If they are scared and they have almost no training you can't expect them to act perfectly, or while they are running you can't expect the big guy to run over the healer and shield him with his body.
>His fault for expecting an ambush when the very idea of an ambush is to strike when they least expect it and when they have a combined total of less than a year of practical military training
Of course, that's discounting the idea that the crossbow goblin would have simply waited until the squishies came out before taking a shot, what with them knowing to take out healers first.
Meanwhile in LN
Moguzo besides tanking is killing niggas left and right mostly getting help from Mage girl and then cleaving huge guts.
Ranta is actually good at 1 vs 1 so they mostly send him to duel some guy while other guys do their, shit. Then after Moguzo is done with the cleaving people go help him. Besides he is their best 1vs1 guy because he is playing best class.
Haru and Yume often just duo some monster and if Haru gets sick backstabs they go help other guys, Haru sometimes is also with Moguzo.
Mary heals niggas and smacks shit that gets too close to Mage girl
MMO strategy does not work because there's no such thing as aggro and you have to aim your spells, you fucktard. Do you know what happen in Log Horizon when the others encountered a boss that didn't follow aggro rules? They ran the fuck away because they didn't know how to deal with it. If an actual mmo with best max level players couldn't deal with it, how the fuck do you expect these guys to?
The size and armour of the goblins and hobgoblin they fought are a direct reference to the group they attacked in the source.
It's the same number of enemies, and they are wearing the same gear as described. The only difference is that there's no indication of the hobgoblin being a slave in the anime.
You really can't ignore that the hobgoblin was significantly larger than the other goblins. That's not just normal goblin physiology.
When your argument ignores a bunch of other facts, then yes it is valid.
We know he's rich because he has plate armour, a crossbow, and a proper weapon
We know he's highly trained because he's using tactics and techniques for his weapon
We know he's armoured because we have eyes
We don't know the hobgoblin is his slave though.
>everyone needs a class to do anything
>you collect drops from mobs and hunt them because NPC told you so
>you learn basic skills with names
>you need to learn how to "backstab" or "diagonal cut" to do so
>it's pretty fucking identical to every MMO anime aside of claiming it not to be a MMO
All these wish fulfillment Otaku LN adaptions have probably rotted most of your brains if you think that "MMO strategy" is going to help you in the Grimgar world.
>direct reference to the group they attacked in the source.
Sorry, it was supposed to be irony because thats exactly how it appeared to me and all these faggots going
>b-but its not the LN this is completely different!
should just shut the fuck up.
>All these wish fulfillment Otaku LN adaptions have probably rotted most of your brains if you think that "MMO strategy" is going to help you in the Grimgar world.
Just common sense would be a little better, honestly.
Also, Grimgar is heavily, HEAVILY derivative of MMO concepts. Things like "protect the healer, tanks are for tanking" are very clearly still eminent in Grimgar.
Yes. It takes a while since she doesn't take any offensive skills until much later, but once she stops being scared of everything she actually becomes a decent support. Lots of debuffs and stuns.
>>b-but its not the LN this is completely different!
>should just shut the fuck up.
You can discuss the anime, you can discuss the LN, but you can't fill the blanks of the anime with the LN when convinient because it wasn't in the anime.