Wasn't he supposed to be considered the most powerful of all Hokage in his prime? Power creeping aside, where would prime Hiruzen be in the tiers of Naruto? Taking into consideration that he did (albeit weakened versions) of the first two Hokages and Oro, would he be at the top of the second highest tier, being only below the likes of Kaguya, her kids, and Naruto/Sasuke?
Well...ha I guess I tried. Just a little curiosity because for shits and giggles I looked up how shit ended.
Well, from what I looked up, the black guy and the first two had powerful showings, no?
Shit, remember when this series was like "hard work>>>>>destiny/inherent talent?" and even then fail miserably at that because Naruto used inherent fox shenanigans to beat Neji? Didn't think it could've gotten worse.
That's honestly what I think of when I see Guy and Lee, almost no one else can use the first gate let alone any other so I'm under the impression they were born with the talent to do it better than everyone else.
Hes strong but hes not First or Second Hokage strong. He wouldn't have stood a chance against any of the Akatsuki. He was strong sure but he was old and most characters went way past Kage levels of strength. I remember the Kage being revered as the strongest of characters in Naruto before Shippuden then after Shippuden the Kages became casual characters.
>He wouldn't have stood a chance against any of the Akatsuki
Are you implying anyone in the Akatsuki is as strong as the First other then Obito? Nagato should be stronger than the Second. The Third should comfortably beat all of them except him, Itachi and Nagato excluding Deidara committing suicide.
Most of the Akatsuki except Hidan could mutilate Hiruzen without much effort, its fucking funny how Itachi was actually far more powerful than him as a freaking teenager yet still took orders from him.
Konan can warp explosive notes him
Kakuzu just spams Pressure Damage
Sasori iron sand has poison in it and if that fails Oro is gonna have to deal with one hundred superhuman puppets moving at high speed
Hidan gets murked
We never saw Hiruzen in his prime. This argument is pointless.
Hashirama and Tobirama were in their primes when revived and could wreck shit. Sarutobi was still in old man form and weak from his older age.
If anything in this series helps prove Naruto's actual claim of Hard Work > Destiny/Birthright, Its his own Father. Namikaze wasnt some expert clan or group of demi gods. Minato was just a dude who was skilled and worked forever to hone them, on top of perfecting Tobirama Flying Thunder God jutsu. Rock Lee and Maito Gai would be other examples.
Hidan is immortal and Shikamaru only beat him because prep time. Kakuzu has three hearts and only got beat because he faced off against a team of highly coordinated ninja. Sasori only lost because he faced off against someone with an extremely cheap ability that was similar to his and Sakura's super strength helped her break him.
>Sasori spams puppets all over Orochimaru effectively killing him eventually
>Hidan can outlast Orochimaru and if he so much as makes Orochimaru bleed Orochimaru dies
>Kakuzu fires his laser maybe loses
>Konan has that cheap explosive notes tactic
He was old, so chakra is lower than it was in his prime, and he was fighting against multiple people. Orochimaru barely escaped with his life. He would also beat Hidan and Kazuku, people Deidara are clearly superior to. >>137166684
>Most of the Akatsuki except Hidan could mutilate Hiruzen without much effort
Nah. He had help, but was capable of pushing back the Kyuubi with his staff and was the main force behind it. Imagine a hit from it to someone like Konan.
Deidara was probably one of the weakest if not the weakest member of the Akatsuki so saying Deidara was clearly superior to those others is wrong. Deidara was even Sasori's junior.
>almost no one else can use the first gate let alone any other
That's because, for some reason, no one in the world other than Guy's dad ever bothered to discover the secret to opening these universal power channels.
>on top of perfecting Tobirama Flying Thunder God jutsu.
He was doing it wrong his whole life, Tobirama took time to correct his form during a battle for the fate of the world.
I think its more "strongest of his time" meaning he was the strongest Hokage at the time. or strongest Ninja at the time. The guy was trained by Hashirama and Tobirama who were leagues above the rest. So its sorta like the calm between the generations. so he was the best of the worse
Well yeah. Allthough with sharingan i think Kakashi could beat all of theese guys pretty ez
In his Prime Sarutobi is probably one tier lower than the true god shinobi...
A is below because of what the people above can do...
Hiruzen is probably stupid strong and versatile in his jutsu and could figure some thing up with his Earth nature.
Minato has already proven he can fight him
Pain has eye hacks
Itachi could Genjutsu him easily
Jirayia and Kisame might have a problem, but im unsure.
>Pain has eye hacks
Useless against speed though. Except for Tendo who has a recharge time that can be easily exploited if you fake him out.
You gotta remember how quick A actually was. "Fastest ninja alive" means something you know.
Ay was also alive back in the previous war. so he did fight against sharingan users without a doubt. If itachi took it seriously from the get go he could win. but if not he is fucked. Ay isn't a ninja that you can dodge or run away from. even then Sasuke only just managed to run away from him because of amaterasu which without Gaara stepping in it probbably would have ended up in a tie loss
Power levels in naruto are stupid, but that said. He was an ultra old guy when fighting orochi, and also old when he got resurrected. Had he been in his prime, he could have showed his power better.
Fucking Tobirama, what a weird fucking character.
>Creates the protagonist's most iconic technique
>Also creates the protagonist father's most iconic technique, who is hyped up nonstop
>Also creates the technique that becomes central for the final arcs and puts the entire setting upside down
>Somehow still the most unremarkable hokage, with the one that can grow trees being the most knwon
You gotta put it in perspective, the trees are pretty fucking big.
>The Deidara fight I thought was fine
>I'm completely out of chakra
>let me summon, hypnotize, and designing Manda to escape your allahu Akbar in the blink of an eye with the chakra I pulled out of my ass
She is a senju, of course she is a chakra tank
He's the strongest of the Kage at the time even the milisecond before he fought Orochimaru. Judging by how Danzo's flashback had Hiruzen say "I'm the strongest of all of us" with Tobirama nearby & no one reacted otherwise, I say younger 3rd is stronger than 2nd.
>4th that high
I assume you include 9 tails form.
Had Kakashi kept both Sharingan, he'd likely be to busy resting in bed all day due to chakra costs. Depending on how you view things, Kakashi got off better though weaker.
>Sarutobi was still in old man form and weak from his older age.
I get that old Sarutobi was the most recognizable but what's the in-universe reason for 3rd being revived as a old man? Orochimaru was willing to revive 1st & 2nd as young people but 3rd not even a year before his 60s?
Compared to the rest of the Kage he still seemed meh at best. Even in what ever his prime was I doubt he measured up to the first or second. He was the Kakashi of his time, good but overshadowed by gods.
>1'sts binding techniques didn't work
Let's get real. 1st and 2nd weren't at their most powerful. This is just basic and obvious inference from what we saw later on in the war. It's a shitty example of a supposed "feat".
Excluding former Kages and Akatsuki members, yeah because a lot of those were for the most part throwaways to handle the shit tier shinobi and occasionally have someone near Kakashi's level to finish them.
So why didn't this guy ever get his dick wet, get a wife, or have a child?
I just thought the fights gotten away with inventing shit then having the chars die. I just think it's shit, at least pre-timeskip all the abilities introduced were kept in the game.
He would have to take of his mouthpiece
Pakura was very powerful; all she had to do was touch you with one of her orbs and all the water in your body would evaporate.
Minato stomps Tobirama with Sennin Mode though.
I mean they have basically the same jutsu and fighting style, only thing is that base Minato doesn't have nukes. As a sennin he should have pretty much everything Naruto has considering it's exactly the same sennin mode. Also he can summon Pa & Ma.
People take Minato for granted but he was genuinely strong.
Gai almost killed Madara who was basically God at that point. And Jinchuriki Madara was far superior to regular Madara who is far superior to everyone else except for maybe 5 characters at the most.
he couldn't take on the 3 even with his summon's help, he needed a suicide technique to take down the other 2 hokage and cripple Oro.
In his prime he was probably equal to the other Hokage.
>Hashirama filling the place with trees
Sasori didn't do much, neither did Deidara. For some odd reason, Kabuto never thought of bombing runs with Deidara nor filling Deidara's chest-mouth full of clay.
>Hashirama just had ashura in him is all
He had his Woody powers. Hasirama's Wood is so good that Madara desperately wanted it inside of him. That's why Madara nearly choked on it just to get it.
Thats why i prefer Minato over the other Kages. He doesn't have a lot of crazy Jutsus or is crazy powerful but he is still strong and compensates with his brain plus his design is the coolest one
this would have made a lot of sense, though it'd also have left huge question marks such as
>why did Kakashi never acknowledge his granddad or uncle when he met them?
And people would bitch even louder about spushul snuflaks
more like muslims
>have a section of town all to themselves where they are free to subject themselves to laws no-one else wants to follow
>monitored 24/7 by the powers that be, who fear they shall one day rise to commit a spree of terrorism
>repressed sexually and grow up angry and angsty
>young ones forced to memorize something that defines them (Uchiha's had katon, Muzzies have the Koran)
>women are all covered up and are barely seen outside
>People of Konoha treat them like special snowflake minorities and try coming up with handwave explanations when they flip their shit and do something crazy