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Why must anime/manga always insist that Katanas are the bestest swords ever? Even the Japanese government knew they sucked and tried to convince people to use Western swords instead.
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>>>/pol/
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>>137148018
Are you seriously saying that the prevalence of katanas in anime is not something that should be discussed in an anime board?
Just last week in Black Clover, a series with a Medieval European magical setting, a character pulled out a Katana and everyone was impressed by its awesomeness.
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>why is there a prevalence of japanese swords ina japanese medium
gee...
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>>137147923
When it happens it's either a form of self-gratification or just a coincidence.

What's much worse is (western) people actually believing katanas were the ultimate swords while European ones sucked in comparison.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swords_in_fiction

Wait what? Wikipedia has even an article about it?
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>>137149328
>bumping this shitty thread
Anon please
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>>137147923
So how did the sword do that exactly? Magic because thats the only way to explain it not breaking.
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>>137148261
>why do Japanese use Japanese swords more in their Japanese cartoon
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>>137149694
It's less the fact that they keep using them and more the fact that they keep pretending that katanas are any good even though everyone with any knowledge knows they suck and break way too easily.
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What does katana mean?
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glorious nippon steel
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>>137147923
they look cool mostly.
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>>137150203
It means Japanese sword.
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I love this threads
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Cause anime/manga are japanese.
And katana are japanese swords.
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>>137151106
>And katana are japanese swords
korean
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Probably for the same reason that Americans are always the heroes in American movies. Now go back to your own board
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>>137151178
Asian enough to be better than gaijin shit.
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Asian prefer swords and European prefer guns?
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Reminder, Katanas came from China just like the rest of Japanese culture
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Because they look cooler than western swords
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>>137151378
between asians they hate each on another level than 19th century european countries.
It's really funny, because they are all the same
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>>137147923
Jian coming through.
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>>137151526
Just like yuropoors and amerishits
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>>137151378
>gaijin shit
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>>137151526
>all the same
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>>137151418
I still haven't see a western fiction of any kind with a godlike 9mm caliber gun able to destroy tanks and buildings.
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>>137151546
I've always loved these more. They're just so beautiful.
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Due to extensive research done by the University of Pittsburgh, katana has been confirmed as the hardest metal known to man. The research is as follows. Pocket-protected scientists built a wall of diamond and crashed a katana car into it at 400 miles per hour, and the car was unharmed. They then built a wall out of katana and crashed a car made of diamond moving at 400 miles an hour into the wall, and the wall came out fine. They then crashed a katana car made of 400 miles per hour into a wall, and there were no survivors. They crashed 400 miles per hour into a katana traveling at diamond car. Western New York was powerless for hours. They rammed a wall of metal into a 400 mile per hour made of katana, and the resulting explosion shifted the earth’s orbit 400 million miles away from the sun, saving the earth from a meteor the size of a small Washington suburb that was hurtling towards mid-western Prussia at 400 billion miles per hour. They shot a katana made of diamond at a car moving at 400 walls per hour, and as a result caused two wayward airplanes to lose track of their bearings, and make a fatal crash with two buildings in downtown New York. They spun 400 miles at katana into broadsword per wall. The results were inconclusive. Finally, they placed 400 Dragonforce albums per hour in front of a car made of wall traveling at miles per diamond, and the result proved without a doubt that katanas were the hardest metal of all time, if not just the hardest metal known to man.
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>>137151378
are you blind? >>137151041
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>>137151717
Some get that /tg/ Katanas are underrated pasta here.
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>>137147923
katanas look cooler, and in fiction looks>practicality
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>>137151526
Jusy like spics
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>>137151586
>>137151719
... from a japanese point of view.
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>>137147923
>Why the Japanese don't make stories where they are obliterated by the superiority of the west.

I guess common sense is not that common.
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>>137152162
They do have nip and gook movies like that.
But I don't think the chinks would allow it in their country.
Must be demotivational as fuck for the nips'n'gooks.
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>>137151041
Of course if filthy gaijin try to wield katana he break it

Like ninja with rock vs child with throwing star
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>>137151546
>Jian

Isn't that what the Chinese call swords in general? Or did dumb gaijin just adapt the word to mean "Chinese sword."
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>>137152355
please anon.
refine your bait. it is too raw.
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>>137151654
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>>137147923
Because most of the time it's fucking magic
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>>137152514
No, there's Dao which I think is larger, generally curved swords. Jian is more like straight sword.
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Why doesn't anime glorify Japanese spears and odachi when those are what won them alot of battles?
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>>137152741
That's a .45 though, completely justifiable.
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>>137147923
Because people believe Europeans casted their swords throughout time and never learned how to hammer things. And for the info: yes we are still casting shit, and not hammering it even once.
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Katanas just look badass and slick while western swords often are very rough and more practical
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If the best scientist in the world says so, it has to be true.
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>>137152858
Not to mention arrows.
Real samurais didn't actually like using Katanas since even they knew how much they sucked. It wasn't until the government outlawed katanas that suddenly the katana became a symbol of samurai badassery while before it was just ceremonial.
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>>137152741
If you've ever watched the movie the tank was destroyed by a ground-attack aircraft.

Do Nips really have any place to talk when their tanks could be knocked out by breathing on them?
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I think we all know that katana suck compared to European swords, even if they look really nice.

If you were in a situation where you had to fight, and you had training in kenjutsu/battojutsu/whatever, and your two weapon choices were katana or Euro longsword, which would be better? Does the quality of the blade overpower whether one knows how to use it?
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>>137153949
you could use a wooden sword against someone that doesn't know how to use a sword and win, quality of the sword is an important factor, but skill/practice will overpower.
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>>137152514
Yes, Jian is word for sword & Dao for Blade. In this context though, I mean straight or curved blades.
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>>137152994
Nodachi look even better IMO. They're basically the Zweihander version of katanas.

Katanas are too tiny and puny.
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>>137154295
Nodachi were actually really good swords, weren't they? Especially considering the low quality metal they were made of.
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>>137147923
They suck so bad that the Japanese governments have banned people from having them multiple times.
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>>137147923
It's a gucking trope you moron. Just watch the show and shut the fuck up.
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Japan had shit metal. I'm sure if they had the quality and quantity of metal to make loads of metal armor instead they would realize how shit katanas are.
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>>137147923
They were great at what they did and that's why the curved sword was so prevalent in Japan. However they aren't very useful against armored opponents so that's why by the half way point of Sengoku Jidai they'd fallen out of use in actual warfare.
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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
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>>137148261
>a character pulled out a Katana and everyone was impressed by its awesomeness.

Japs don't know shit newsflash at 11
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>>137151418
Though the accounts aren't exact it's possible that by the end of Sengoku Jidai that Japan had outproduced every single European country in terms of firearms, they loved guns.
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>>137154565
Nice bait from /tg/
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>>137154607
Impossible as Ottoman Empire exist.
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cossacks>>some dumb jap midget

really
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>>137154913
>cossacks
Pleb taste
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>>137147923
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>>137154913
Thats not Hajduks
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>>137153949
probably a longsword, bashing with it seems fun.
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>>137155189
Funny/10
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Stay mad Japs Aleksandar Sajcic butt fucked them

Samurai fear the montenigger
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>>137147923
Post the gif.
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>>137155489
Already done >>137155078
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>>137150203
Japanese alphabet, like romaji and kanji
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Not this shit again
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>>137152731
It's true though. I bet Kirito using one sword can cut this like butter.
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>>137155528
Post the gif without the text.
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>>137151041
Where is that Katana from? Is it from a well-known swordsmith? Or was it made in a factory and sold in a convenient store?
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I want a katana made out of carbon nanotubes.
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>>137155648
They are here already
Abandon thread
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>>137155424
>The surreal setting, the heroes are approaching each other. with breakneck speed they are clashing their swords dozens of times
It was a clash of two traditions and two methods of warfare. One swing of the samurai katana grazed Saičić's forehead. Japanese warrior,who saw the blood on the Montenegrin was determined to end the duel. In that moment Lekso Saičić with his lightning speed waved the sword and behead the Japanese hero. As soon as he fell to the ground, samurai horse ran off back Japanese army. By this victory Saičić applied a heavy moral defeat the Japanese army, which has caused disappointment,

PSH NOTHING PERSONAL KID
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What about a true nip with SAMURAI SPIRIT and training using a western sword?
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Post practical armors.
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>>137147923
Tbh, with the shit-tier iron japs had access to they couldn't have made blades much better than the katana. It's great at cutting through boiled leather and softer things and that's about what its supposed to do, it's a sidearm and a duellist's weapon. You used it when your spear or polearm broke or when you ran out of arrows or when someone challenged you to a 1v1. A a much better variant of the katana can be found in the kilij and the grosse messer.
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>>137155756
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>>137155756
You first.
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>sword's special power is a giant laser
>sword can cut through anything
>sword's power needs to be "unlocked"
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>>137155881
What are some anime swords that actually had cool or unique abilities? I actually love sword beams, but it's still dumb to have it as the ultimate attack

Bleach has some nice ones I guess, that one sword that doubles weight everytime you hit something with it.
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>>137155804
Is she wearing paint?
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>>137151717
>They crashed 400 miles per hour into a katana traveling at diamond car.

I lost my shit here.
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>>137151546
Smelly dumb jian scum.
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>>137156053
Seven Deadly Sins
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>>137156137
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>>137148018
fucking kill yourself
retard
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>>137147923
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>>137147923
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>>137155756
Would you a cute Roman?
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>>137148261
>Just last week in Black Clover
And just like that I stopped caring
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>>137151717
>Finally, they placed 400 Dragonforce albums per hour in front of a car made of wall traveling at miles per diamond,
Liked, favorited, and subscribed
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>>137154565
god damnit
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>>137157047
Fuck the legion.
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>>137152514
Jian is generally used to refer to swords in general, and dao is used for knives. They might be used for more specific weapons but I don't know much about that.
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Reminder that well-forged Western Weapons existed and are the basis of the "magic weapons" of the folklore.
But like any ware, most of the time people purchased the low quality low price shit to equip their soldiers instead of the high quality pieces.
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>>137160623
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>>137147923

Fun fact, the anime that screencap comes from is a pile of shit
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>>137161234
>By facing death every second, you surpass it

You mean by banning the weapon that creamed you?
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>>137161234
I like seiken no blacksmith but even i thought the katana wank was too much.

Then again I'm a cavalry sword kind of guy, sabres are lovely.
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>>137161571
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>>137161234
Do Japanese people actually think that katanas were/are better than western swords, or is it just some over done mysticism in anime?
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>>137154372
>Especially considering the low quality metal they were made of.
Japan didn't have bad metal, it had bad ore. By the time the ore was turned into proper iron and delivered to a blacksmith most of the impurities are already removed and the quality is no different from the iron anywhere else in the world. The bad quality of ore just meant they needed to put in more effort into refining, that's all.
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>>137155580
You're not evening trying now
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>>137148018
+1 confirm
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>>137147923
>why do tropes exist
>asking /a/
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>>137149686

It's an enchanted sword. Everyone wanted to ignore that so they could talk about how stupid it is.
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>>137154524
>aren't very useful against armored opponents
Neither are basically all swords ever created. It's simply not a type of weapon that was ever meant to be actually used against armored opponents in the first place. Some are better than others at handling armor (such as being easier to maneuver the blade into unarmored spots or joints, having a handle that's sorta decent for bashing, etc), but all swords are universally shit against armored opponents.
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katanas can't even scratch chainmail
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>>137162070
On western longswords the pommel and the cross were the parts that were designed to punch through helmets. Of course generally throwing your opponent on the ground if you get close enough together is another good way to deal with them.
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That's just ordinary nationalism applied to fictipn. It's not unique to Japan, it's something you'll find in every country.
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>>137162179
Imagine the exact same video with actual swords and the guy blocking getting his fingers sliced right off every single time because he's pretending swords are blunt bo staffs. Mail gloves wouldn't stop him from getting injured completely.
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>>137162402
Imagine that someone would say to you that you can actually hold a sharp sword like that without cutting yourself.
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>>137162402

>not knowing about half swording
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>>137162402
You think you're being clever, but all you're doing is exposing how little you know about swords.

They're practicing those moves because historically that is a very effective maneuver. People wouldn't have done it all the fucking time if it made your fingers pop off.
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>>137162402
That's wrong. Half swording is a perfectly valid method of using a longsword. The old instruction manuals teach it too. Gripping an opponents sword if you're in a bind is also completely legit.
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>>137162402
That was literally how you fought with a longsword against a fully armored opponent.
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>>137162402
>Mail gloves wouldn't stop him from getting injured completely
Yes they would. Mail mittens are worn over thick cloth or leather gloves, because wearing mail against the skin is retarded. Most swords against that protection will only be able to bruise you or do other kinds of blunt trauma. If it's a very well made sword you might be able to puncture the mail with a hard thrust (a crappy one would just snap from the strain, you'd still bruise or knock the wind out of the guy you stabbed though).
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>>137162491
>>137162519
>>137162535
>>137162537
>>137162553
>>137162590
What is a guard for?
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>>137162630
So it doesn't slip.

also murder blows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordhau
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>>137162666
>also murder blows
Guards existed centuries before Mordhau becoming a thing due to armor...
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>>137162630
Preventing the opponents sword from sliding down the length of your sword and nailing you in the fingers, facilitating easier parrying, and also swinging like a fucking hammer.

If you're implying that guards exist to prevent YOUR OWN HAND from getting near the blade, you're a retard. Swordsmen weren't fucking toddlers.
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>>137162630
The guard is made to stop a blade coming in with a lot of force. You obviously don't take a parry with your hand, that could obviously get yourself hurt badly. But grabbing a sword that is relatively stationary is fine.
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>>137162630
For catching the enemy's blade. The sword in itself is designed for offensive and defensive fighting, regardless of what kind of armor a person is wearing. Having a sword with a guard gives you at least some defensive ability if you don't have any armor.
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Aren't katanas only better at cutting things compared to western swords?
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>>137147923
Because Japs are nationalistic.

All Asians do it, the Chinese are way, way fucking worse with their kung-fu movies than the Japs are with their swords for example.
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>>137162630
Maybe you're not aware but swords can hurt you even if they can't cut you. If you've ever play-fought with sticks as swords you know full well getting whacked on the fingers hurts even they don't get lopped off.

Now imagine that stick was made of iron or steel, and instead of a playful whack it's somebody trying to hew your limbs off. Now you have broken fingers.

That's why you have guards.
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>>137149788
The same reason scythes are portrayed as impossibly cool weapons whenever they appear when in reality it wasn't even intended to be used in a fight. It looks cool and exotic, anons. Katanas have more flair and look cooler in motion than western swords.

Personally I would prefer a scimitar in an important role. It would pretty interesting.
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>>137162779
>>137162791
>>137162811
>>137162894
To prevent the opponents sword sliding down the length of yours and slice off your fingers? Hows is that not what would happen in the video, at least to some extent?
>>137162779
>If you're implying that guards exist to prevent YOUR OWN HAND from getting near the blade
Sorry, I'm not retarded.
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>>137162930
>To prevent the opponents sword sliding down the length of yours and slice off your fingers
Or just breaking them with blunt force. Fingers are not very durable and it doesn't take a whole lot to damage them.

I'm sorry you're apparently confused about the difference between holding a blade while your hand is protected by at least two layers of armor and letting somebody hammer at your fingers with a length of sharpened metal.
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>>137162930
The difference is that if someone handsnaps you with a metal sword and you have gloves the most likely thing to happen is that you'll break your fingers rather than having them sliced off. It'll take your hand out of action.

If someone hits you with a blunt sword you can get hurt pretty badly too. There's often a few broken fingers during major tournaments from that.
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>>137162930
It'd slice your fingers off if you aren't wearing armor or only have some light gloves on. If you have mail then your fingers would just get busted. Either way your sword hand is now useless and you lose. Hence the guard.
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>>137163101
>I'm sorry you're apparently confused about the difference between holding a blade while your hand is protected by at least two layers of armor and letting somebody hammer at your fingers with a length of sharpened metal.
Do you think I'm talking about cutting your own hand from holding the blade? If yes, I'm not, I'm talking about the opponents sword sliding towards the tip of yours, injuring the hand holding the blade. I was assuming that much was obvious.

From all I ever knew blocking or parrying was supposed to deflect the energy of the blow, not stop a sword and potentially have it slide against your fingers. The video is awfully staged with the attacking guy being completely passive after the initial swing. The swords don't slide against each other because they're not metal. What I'm saying is that this guy wouldn't block a real blow from a real sword like this twice.
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>>137162630
Just leave swordsfags grab a shield and a mace. Then laugh your ass off.

I seriously don't understand why are big ass longswords so enforced even in fantasy terms, if you are that much of a hardcore swordnut, a shield+smaller sword is shittons more effective, especially in most MC's cases who are total begginners.

Except for the rule of cool.
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>>137162930
>Sorry, I'm not retarded.
Well, what you just said about the opponents blade kinda implies that you are. If you aren't straight up dumb, than your mind is at least locked in a box.

In a fight to the death, a huge advantage at getting passed someones armor can be well worth an extra bit of risk to your fingers.

You'll also note that this is a SKILLED maneuver, and therefore dipshits with no idea how to wield a blade or any hand-eye coordination shouldn't be doing it. Therefore, their fingers are almost certainly 100% safe. If you watch the video again you'll see how the swordsmen intentionally caught the blade at an angle so that if it did slide down, it would have slid away from his fingers. He also parried it hard and fast enough that there was virtually no more momentum or danger left in his opponents weapon.

As I said before, a sword is not a fucking lightsaber. You don't seem to understand. It is not very dangerous unless it's being swung, it needs momentum, weight, or a slicing motion to actually do damage.
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>>137163275
>In a fight to the death, a huge advantage at getting passed someones armor can be well worth an extra bit of risk to your fingers.
Losing the fingers of one hand means you're dead in a real fight. Stopped reading there.
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>>137163262
Buckler and short sword was popular in reality for a reason.
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>>137163310
DUH.

If you weren't a fucking dense moron you would still comprehend the fact that the advantages outweigh the dangers.

Actually, why the hell am I even trying to reason with you when you're suck a dope?
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>>137163246
You need to watch the video more carefully. In the first engagement he catch's the enemy's swing, lever's the point up, forcing his enemy's blade toward his guard, then quickly loops the point of his sword over and between his opponent and his own sword, trapping his opponent's weapon and letting him attack with impunity.

He can maneuver his blade like this much faster and more accurately because of the half sword grip, while his opponent has to control the point of his sword from a longer distance giving him less control and speed. If his enemy had equal footing in terms of control and speed, then yes it would be dangerous to parry with an unprotected hand, but he's counting on his superior control to keep that hand safe.
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>>137162841
Katanas are sharper than most western swords, but no they aren't really any better at cutting.
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>>137163570
>If his enemy had equal footing in terms of control and speed
OR if it was a real fight instead of a krav-maga tier staged fight to demonstrate techniques.
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>>137163262
Longswords are nice, don't be a shitter. The people who do longsword often do other sports like dagger and rapier, arming sword, saber, sword and buckler etc. But longsword is the most popular since it's really damn practical. I do like dagger and rapier though, it's a lot of fun.
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>>137163652
>I still can't get over the fact that in Skyrim one the only weapons you couldn't parry with is an offhand dagger.
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>>137163729
>playing skyrim

No thanks
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>>137163262
With the introduction of full-plate armor shields became redundant. For less armoured soldiers they remained popular, but what is the point in carrying around a shield when you are wearing one?

As for why they are os popular in fiction, I would say it has to do with showing off the strength of the main character or that they don't need a shield because they are so good.
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>>137151041
Only idiots think this proves something
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