>Reinhard, my allegiance is to the Republic! To democracy!

>>137139677
What other anime deals with politics the way LOGH does ?

>>137139677
>Well in my point of view the FPA is evil!

>>137140059
>evil
The harshest things Reinhard ever said against democracy were that it subsumes the power of self, gives power to loathsome individuals and is unable to bring about big reforms.

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>If only he was here, if only he was real

>>137140059
One of the most important them of the show is that governing method by themselves are neutral.

Authoritarian government can bring change and reformation when ruled by someone competent, and democracy can be self defeating when corrupt politicians take over.

There's no "evil", only human.

I wish that Yang and Reinhard had more than like one conversation throughout the entire series.

>>137141526
BOAR

>>137141621
>more than like one conversation throughout the entire series
They did. Conversations of walzing battleships and semi circles.
Why do you think they were so found of one another before they even got to meet.

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so kawaii

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>hiding an RPG inside your dead commander's remains so you can assassinate the kinpatsu kozou.

ABSOLUTE
MADMAN

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for a show who;s budget seemed to change per scene, this one made me lose my shit.

Logh is the only good anime around dayum.

>>137141540
>One of the most important them of the show is that governing method by themselves are neutral.
Don't be ridiculous. Methods of government are social constructions and are therefore value-laden; they are far from objective, i.e. neutral. Both democracy and authoritarianism have their own assumptions about how best humans are to be governed and these did not come from nowhere.

Is the new series going to suck?

>>137141872
>good anime
It doesn't make full use of the medium though. I'd say it's a good book, but certainly not a good anime.
Other anime could certainly learn from its intricate plot and grasp on politics though.

>>137140059
THEN YOU ARE LOST

>>137141917
>implying there's a new series

>>137140059
>>137141969
Oh, I feel stupid for not getting it.
I answered seriously too.

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It's treason, then.

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>>137141526
>>137141608
https://youtu.be/oojBpdlpR7s

>>137141962
I disagree with the criticism. People hold against the show that LOGH does not use allegory and images enough, but one should keep in mind that these are very ambivalent and open to interpretation. LOGH didn't want to be vague, it didn't want to provide the viewer with an impression which he could fill with meaning, LOGH wanted to make a proper argument. And that argument is best provided through plot and dialogue.

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>>137139677
>I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!

>>137142314
kek

>>137141759
That's one of the redrawn scenes so of course they look out of order.

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>>137139677
I really need to get around to finishing LOGH but I feel like I've forgotten a lot of it.

Anyone tried the new LoGH game? I was tempted to give it a shot but I had a feeling it'd be terrible.

>>137142672
Why did they redraw so many scenes anyway?

>>137142330
>breaking the basic law of visual medium, "show, don't tell" is now not using allegories and images enough
>LOGH didn't want to be vague
Showing isn't vague. An image always makes more impact on the viewer than telling what happened. Dialogue should be used with more parcimony. I'm pretty sure LOGH could have made the same argument with less dialogue.

>>137143137
>Showing isn't vague.
Showing is vague, since imagery is easily misinterpreted. Words are much more precise.

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>>137142211

>>137142841
They lost the original copies I assume.

>>137143223
Say you have a child asking his mother "Do you love me?".
From which answer do you get the impression the mother does love her child ?
>"Of course I do dear, I love you very much"
>"Oh I wonder" and then she proceeds to kiss her child everywhere on the face
Showing is stronger. You don't get the impression the first mother loves her child.
I'm not saying the dialogue is useless, for argument about politics, Reinhard and Yang meeting and the like, it is pretty much necessary. But in LOGH it is clearly overused. Most likely as a mean to save budget, but that's no excuse. You could pretty much turn the subtitles into a book.

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>>137143433
>I'm not saying the dialogue is useless, for argument about politics, Reinhard and Yang meeting and the like, it is pretty much necessary.
And that is my point. As soon as you try to discuss more complex subject matter, images aren't precise enough of a tool.

Also, I'd argue that LOGH had a good deal of visual symbolism too.

Valid criticism is: it's simply not that well made technically. There's quite a bit of QUALITY animation in there. But that's a consequence of the budget more than the director's inability.

In the end, LOGH deals with a complex topic. It's not some heart warming family film, or some character study which attempts to be visually artistic. Holding that against it is foolish, since not every anime needs to be the aforementioned - especially not if we're dealing with something rather substantial.

What does Reinhard expect to happen on the long term? Surely he's aware the empire will most likely shit the bed after he dies?

>>137141709
I like how everyone stood there like they couldn't believe what the fuck was going on. Truly a madman

>>137143685

later in the series, his goals mostly seemed to revolve around making the various faculties of the government capable of functioning without a strong leader at the head. he even seems alright with a shift towards constitutionalism after his talks with Julian.

I'd say he also expects that it will decline, and someone will usurp power and make another revolution.

>>137143685
>Surely he's aware the empire will most likely shit the bed after he dies?
Hilde seems like she would make for a better ruler than him, honestly.

>>137143685
Nations are like flowers, they bloom and they wilt. It's more important to be a good leader in your time than to think about the future, because the nation of a hundred years in the future will probably be very different from the one you love

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DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>137139734
Twelve Kingdoms deals with politics in a high fantasy setting and is a coming of age of some rulers (Youko notably in the anime version, novels have different kingdoms and POVs).

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>>137144284
literally my waifu

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SYMBOLISM

>>137141526

https://youtu.be/KfD5jYBFB0M

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>>137144689
Subtlety is not in the nip vocabulary.

>>137144762
>>137144689
Oh come on, had this light been treated the same way it is in the lowest quality frame Ufotable ever produced, you would have loved that shit.

Top 3 favourite anime but I hated the shitty space battles. Most were repetitive and lazy.

>>137146450
The only thing i hated was Julian, the show repeatedly makes a point that none of the cast members are beyond deaths reach while Julian feels more like something out of Code Geass or something

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>NTR'd so hard you turn gay

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>>137142812
>new LoGH game

>>137147920

Did the old emperor fuck that qt 3.14 sister?

I would be jelly too like Reinhard

>>137147733
The Terraists also felt weak too.

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>new desings suck
>damn you modern anime

>>137147920
>>137148612

Kircheis at one point imagines it happening (so pretty solidly NTR territory), but its only really implied the emperor fucks her since she never gets pregnant.

>>137148797
It's my first time reading and I think they're fine, so yeah; nostalgia goggles.

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>>137148846
She fucked him.
Fucked him so good she became a countess.

>>137141914
He did not say objective. He said neutral and in the context of which he said it he was talking about good and evil. Ideas are not by themselves good or evil it's how they are applied that makes them so. One form of government may be more effective then the other etc.. but it's the people in power who choose how to use it and make it either good or evil.

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never watched LOGH before, it seems to be making a resurgence of sorts though
is the anime or manga better for getting into it?

>>137142812
It is pretty terrible, but at least it's sort of neat to hear the voiced characters. And by "sort of neat" I mean totally depressing because most of them sound old as balls. But there's nothing anybody can do about that.

>>137149360
There are two Manga's and both are pretty awful, go with the Anime

>>137149360
There's also books you know. The kind without pictures I mean.

>>137148650
The Terraists should have caused even more chaos to show the impact of terrorism.

>>137149913
How do you read without pictures?
How do you know what the characters look like?

I think you're bullshitting me.

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>>137149913
but the Novel has pictures in it

>>137149913
I thought they weren't translated, did that change?

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>>137150304
not him but they're getting a western release. First Volume is out this march.

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>>137150472
Nice.

>>137144408
>high fantasy setting
I found the fantasy setting to be its weakest part. It just takes place in the past for the most.

>>137141759
>>137142672
>>137142841
They lost scenes? What's the original scene like?

>>137151259
Hardly. It's based in a completely different world with different laws, creatures, etc. They have fucking trees that give birth to animals that are considered godly.

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>>137151360
creatures are just metaphors for other countries.
The tree being the origin of all is really common. Even Naruto uses it.

>>137151424
>creatures are just metaphors for other countries.
How are crazy creatures in the wild metaphors for other countries?
Same with some countries not accepting animal freaks at all. Or a man that transforms in to a unicorn selecting the next heir to a throne for each country.

>>137150472
Preordered them months ago. I can hardly wait. It's practically here.

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>>137150291
I kind of like this. Fred looks more like a space roman emperor than a space prussian. The symbolism is much more powerful and befitting of the grand egos that the Goldenbaums had. I also like Reinhard with a red cape, seeing as he's literally draping himself in the Lohengramm colors.

>>137150304
>>137150472
>>137150762
2 volumes have been fan translated too. The translator is putting it on hold until the official one is out to compare. Whether or not that person continues is due to the quality of the translation I guess.

>>137141487
So, the difference to monarchy is...?

>>137151555
Animals tend to live in the wild.
Bestmen aren't a unique invention to be writing home about. Nor them not being accepted.
It's all fairly basic.

>>137151924
>Animals tend to live in the wild.
Not giant flying shit that can rip you apart.
>Bestmen aren't a unique invention
No one said they're unique, and basic isn't a bad thing either.

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>>137139677
>Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!

>>137151992
>Not giant flying shit that can rip you apart.
Tigers live in the wild.
Hawks live in the wild.
Just talking real life here.

>>137152067
>Hawks
>Ripping you apart
Maybe a few scratches but most the time they wont even touch you.
And tigers you wont find just anywhere in the wild.

Bears are more likely, but they're pretty harmless too if you're not a retard.

>>137148846
implying he paid to just watch her.

>>137151355
They didn't lose anything as far as I know, they redrew some scenes because they thought the originals were drawn poorly.

If you want to watch it as intended you need to watch the laser disk version.

>>137152117
>you won't find them almost anywhere
You're shifting goal posts. My point is the fantasy it has is pretty weak

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Goldenbaum is one of the worst fictional dictators ever.
He managed to turn humanity into a backwater species with declining technology and a population of a hundred billion at best (on hundreds of planets!)
The ruination he brought still affects humanity to the time LotGH is set.
What an incompetent hick.

>>137152180
How is it weak? What would make it good in your eyes?
And tigers are endangered as fuck. When I said you wont find them anywhere I mean they're pretty much nowhere.
It's not the same at all compared to a forest where everything and anything can kill you.

I just don't see how you can compare it to real life at all.

>>137152191
The fact that the plan to make people superior involves killing and breeding instead of genetic engineering is a pretty dire sign.

>>137152180
>My point is the fantasy it has is pretty weak
How?

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>>137141526

>>137152264
>what would make it good
It's fine as it is. It's just not good.

>>137152319
It's rather unoriginal

>>137152381
>It's rather unoriginal
Again, how?

>>137152416
How? The fantasy things just aren't original. They're pretty common tropes all around.
I've already explained this
>>>137151424
>>>137151924

>>137152381
>It's fine
>But it isn't good

>It's unoriginal
>So the fantasy is weak

You're not making any sense.

>>137152448
Oh, this.
Well then.

>>137152472
The show is fine. But the fantasy elements are weak.

>>137152448
Whats a similar series then if it's so unoriginal?
I need more fantastic fantasy series.

Preferably one you consider to have ''strong'' fantasy elements.

>>137152592
Don't know but I've read books in my life

>>137152649
So have I. The Twelve Kingdoms are pretty good.

>>137152706
but its fantasy elements are weak

>>137152755
You never really explained what you consider to be strong fantasy elements.

>>137152784
That really won't change the outcome.

>>137152861
That'll explain why you think they're weak fantasy elements. More so if you post examples of strong ones, or ones you consider strong.

But if you're just going to post an opinion and not back it up, whats the point?

>>137150762
How the hell does "Prosit" turn into プロージット?
That sounds completely different.

>>137139677
Does Reinhard fuck bitches like a normal ruler? Does he fuck like 30 puss? Rulers not having puss is such bullshit in manga/anime. Normal rulers have puss.

>>137153066
how would you like to spell it? I don't see a better way

>>137152925
>That'll explain why you think they're weak fantasy elements
No, I already explained why I think they're weak. Because they're unoriginal.

>>137153129
I don't see how comparing tigers or hawks to fantasy creatures makes any sense, because they're not the same at all. Nor does it make them unoriginal.

Also just because a series uses beastman doesn't make it unoriginal. That'd be like saying because Tolkien has elves, dwarves, and mages, everything else using that after is unoriginal.

>>137153110
Well, yeah, you are right.
Japanese doesn't have that "soft s" or however it is called in front of "i".
Maybe ズィ instead of ジ? Also, it feels like that syllable ends up too short due to the ッ, and the ト is too hard.

>>137142501
YOUR NEW EMPIRE?

>watch ep 1 of Arslan Senki OVA last night

Between the historical narrator, Narsus von Oberstein, and the battle tactics, is this LOGH in a fantasy setting? I'm really enjoying it so far.

So what kind of art style are we going to see with the new LOGH?

Are we going to hate this no matter what?

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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Kaiser Reinhard the wise?

>>137154399
Yes.
It'll just be a moe art style like the new manga series.

Complete shit.

And I'll watch it anyways.

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>>137154496
>new manga series

Please tell me it's not shit.

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>>137154496
That art style is disgusting

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>>137154540
You don't wanna know.

Like, don't get me wrong. I read tons of fucking shoujo manga and I love cute girls doing cute things. A true connoisseur loves manime and moeshit both, and can appreciate cute things and manly things.

But this is just vile. It's the embodiment of evil.

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>>137152191
>mfw Rudolf was supposed to be LoH's Hitler allegory
>pol/ is convinced it's Reinhardt

>>137154720
I mean, that's kind of cute. But not sure I'd want that for LOGH.

Are we confident this will likely be the art style?

>>137154761
Reinhard is just Alexander the Great with some Napoleon mixed in.

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>>137154496
chill nostalgiafags. The new artstyle is pretty cool, and it's likely it will only evolve with time. It's not moe art at all. It's closer to Shoukoku no Altair style.

The kidou senshi gundam manga that still uses the 80s-90s art is almost always shit and flops.

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>>137154720
Get a load of Julian in the latest chapter

>>137149953
The show explicitly makes the point that terrorism can't change history, so they have no reason to make the terraists anything more than a nuisance.

>>137154761
most people link Rudolf to Hitler, but i can't help but think that this guy here was also an inspiration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-B%C3%A9del_Bokassa

>>137154720
They're going balls deep on trying to get that fujoshibucks

>>137154806
It's cute, again, don't get me wrong there. Just not what I want for LotGH.
For the anime? No, not necessarily.

Just don't get your hopes up. Come with no hopes and you wont be disappointed.

>>137154844
>with some Napoleon mixed in
I don't remember Reinhard getting disastrously beaten and exiled to some small planet.

>>137154980
The latter part of his life he inherited from our man Alex.

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>>137154890

>>137154890
Fucking what

I hope this shit sells bad.

>>137154435
No

>>137155187
That's just flat out ridiculous.
They look like entirely different characters with completely different traits.

>>137155187
Interesting how the change in video quality changes the spelling of the name.

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>>137154720
LD
>angry blonde motherfucker
>equally angry half-Asian nan
DVD
>angry blonde motherfucker
>suave black-haired player who gets all the bitches

Also, any word on the anime remake?

>>137155187
I like these changes, they look more unique.

>>137154885
Its not, Fujisaki have one of the worst styles and I hate it.

>>137155312
Considering Lin Pao was sort of Poplan character DVD fits better

>>137155187
they made them more racist??

>>137155361
Is it even confirmed to be a remake?

I mean, there is probably not much left unanimated, but still...

>>137155582
From what I remember, it was going to be more of a readaption of the novels, so a second crack at it more or less. Haven't heard much about it at all though.

If they're making to be aired on TV, I wonder how much that'd affect the show?

>>137154761
/pol/ is stupid, who would have thought.
>>137154922
Considering how much he ruined Mankind without having a massive unwinnable war against everyone, he might be Space Pol Pot.

>>137143137
It's pretty hard to visually tell you a debate about the merits of democracy and autocracy, but they do actually show you multiple times besides. All of the minor details and side stories contribute to that overarching theme. That's showing.
But the dialogue makes it explicitly clear why they're showing what they're showing.
I don't think that's a problem.

>>137155699
Well, in that case I hope they manage to get their hands on the original VAs (and that they are still alive).

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>>137154885
The manga looks alright, just not as good as the old designs. It wouldn't really be possible to do it any other way so it's fine.

However, the manga has one serious problem and it's the same problem that the Gaidens had. It's focusing way too heavily on Reinhard/Kircheis and Yang. While the three of them were always the most important characters, they we never the only point of view or focus of the show. Right from the beginning Legend of the Galactic Heroes introduced a ton of characters that would go on to become very important even if you didn't know it yet.

The bar fight with Mittermeyer and Kircheis, the two random gunners. It all led to the feeling that this was a grand story in an expansive world.

Legend of the Galactic Heroes didn't start with 10 episodes of nothing but Reinhard/Kircheis and Yang.

Last anime I finished was Ashita no Joe 1 and 2, only 3 episodes in with LOTGH and it seems pretty interesting, will it fill my hole?

>>137158774
It's my favorite anime, but it definitely isn't for everyone. Keep watching and if you can get into it then you'll love it. If not it'll bore you. Try watching the movie that comes before the series "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars".

>>137143685
>Surely he's aware the empire will most likely shit the bed after he dies?

He expects that exactly. It's why he makes a point to not fire the vice minister of construction and groom him to take over the position when the real minister's job is over. He knows his government of exceptional men won't last, so he prepares by getting the people to accept a reduction in speed and progress as inevitable.

>IT'S OVER JULIAN, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
>You underestimate Reinhard's power!

>>137151555
>How are crazy creatures in the wild metaphors for other countries?

They represent the "other." E.T for example is a messianic narrative depicting how the kindest creatures are the "outcasts" of society. In Independence Day, the alien foes are portrayed in a negative light and show how the strange and alien are far away for good reason, and that we should ban together to stop their "invasion."

>>137159739
And that doesn't make it bad fantasy. It's just been used before.
If you don't like cliches, watching anime or reading manga really isn't a hobby someone could like.

>>137139677
Garbage show

So Yang always had the higher ground in space, right? Which is why he always won. The only way to beat him would be to engage him inside a ship, where his higher ground was negated

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>It's an FPA episode
>It's a Jessica Edwards episode