>Reinhard, my allegiance is to the Republic! To democracy!
The harshest things Reinhard ever said against democracy were that it subsumes the power of self, gives power to loathsome individuals and is unable to bring about big reforms.
One of the most important them of the show is that governing method by themselves are neutral.
Authoritarian government can bring change and reformation when ruled by someone competent, and democracy can be self defeating when corrupt politicians take over.
There's no "evil", only human.
>more than like one conversation throughout the entire series
They did. Conversations of walzing battleships and semi circles.
Why do you think they were so found of one another before they even got to meet.
>hiding an RPG inside your dead commander's remains so you can assassinate the kinpatsu kozou.
for a show who;s budget seemed to change per scene, this one made me lose my shit.
>One of the most important them of the show is that governing method by themselves are neutral.
Don't be ridiculous. Methods of government are social constructions and are therefore value-laden; they are far from objective, i.e. neutral. Both democracy and authoritarianism have their own assumptions about how best humans are to be governed and these did not come from nowhere.
It doesn't make full use of the medium though. I'd say it's a good book, but certainly not a good anime.
Other anime could certainly learn from its intricate plot and grasp on politics though.
I disagree with the criticism. People hold against the show that LOGH does not use allegory and images enough, but one should keep in mind that these are very ambivalent and open to interpretation. LOGH didn't want to be vague, it didn't want to provide the viewer with an impression which he could fill with meaning, LOGH wanted to make a proper argument. And that argument is best provided through plot and dialogue.
>I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!
I really need to get around to finishing LOGH but I feel like I've forgotten a lot of it.
>breaking the basic law of visual medium, "show, don't tell" is now not using allegories and images enough
>LOGH didn't want to be vague
Showing isn't vague. An image always makes more impact on the viewer than telling what happened. Dialogue should be used with more parcimony. I'm pretty sure LOGH could have made the same argument with less dialogue.
Say you have a child asking his mother "Do you love me?".
From which answer do you get the impression the mother does love her child ?
>"Of course I do dear, I love you very much"
>"Oh I wonder" and then she proceeds to kiss her child everywhere on the face
Showing is stronger. You don't get the impression the first mother loves her child.
I'm not saying the dialogue is useless, for argument about politics, Reinhard and Yang meeting and the like, it is pretty much necessary. But in LOGH it is clearly overused. Most likely as a mean to save budget, but that's no excuse. You could pretty much turn the subtitles into a book.
>I'm not saying the dialogue is useless, for argument about politics, Reinhard and Yang meeting and the like, it is pretty much necessary.
And that is my point. As soon as you try to discuss more complex subject matter, images aren't precise enough of a tool.
Also, I'd argue that LOGH had a good deal of visual symbolism too.
Valid criticism is: it's simply not that well made technically. There's quite a bit of QUALITY animation in there. But that's a consequence of the budget more than the director's inability.
In the end, LOGH deals with a complex topic. It's not some heart warming family film, or some character study which attempts to be visually artistic. Holding that against it is foolish, since not every anime needs to be the aforementioned - especially not if we're dealing with something rather substantial.
later in the series, his goals mostly seemed to revolve around making the various faculties of the government capable of functioning without a strong leader at the head. he even seems alright with a shift towards constitutionalism after his talks with Julian.
I'd say he also expects that it will decline, and someone will usurp power and make another revolution.
Nations are like flowers, they bloom and they wilt. It's more important to be a good leader in your time than to think about the future, because the nation of a hundred years in the future will probably be very different from the one you love
Twelve Kingdoms deals with politics in a high fantasy setting and is a coming of age of some rulers (Youko notably in the anime version, novels have different kingdoms and POVs).
Subtlety is not in the nip vocabulary.
The only thing i hated was Julian, the show repeatedly makes a point that none of the cast members are beyond deaths reach while Julian feels more like something out of Code Geass or something
She fucked him.
Fucked him so good she became a countess.
He did not say objective. He said neutral and in the context of which he said it he was talking about good and evil. Ideas are not by themselves good or evil it's how they are applied that makes them so. One form of government may be more effective then the other etc.. but it's the people in power who choose how to use it and make it either good or evil.
never watched LOGH before, it seems to be making a resurgence of sorts though
is the anime or manga better for getting into it?
It is pretty terrible, but at least it's sort of neat to hear the voiced characters. And by "sort of neat" I mean totally depressing because most of them sound old as balls. But there's nothing anybody can do about that.
but the Novel has pictures in it
not him but they're getting a western release. First Volume is out this march.
creatures are just metaphors for other countries.
The tree being the origin of all is really common. Even Naruto uses it.
>creatures are just metaphors for other countries.
How are crazy creatures in the wild metaphors for other countries?
Same with some countries not accepting animal freaks at all. Or a man that transforms in to a unicorn selecting the next heir to a throne for each country.
I kind of like this. Fred looks more like a space roman emperor than a space prussian. The symbolism is much more powerful and befitting of the grand egos that the Goldenbaums had. I also like Reinhard with a red cape, seeing as he's literally draping himself in the Lohengramm colors.
2 volumes have been fan translated too. The translator is putting it on hold until the official one is out to compare. Whether or not that person continues is due to the quality of the translation I guess.
>Animals tend to live in the wild.
Not giant flying shit that can rip you apart.
>Bestmen aren't a unique invention
No one said they're unique, and basic isn't a bad thing either.
>Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
>Ripping you apart
Maybe a few scratches but most the time they wont even touch you.
And tigers you wont find just anywhere in the wild.
Bears are more likely, but they're pretty harmless too if you're not a retard.
They didn't lose anything as far as I know, they redrew some scenes because they thought the originals were drawn poorly.
If you want to watch it as intended you need to watch the laser disk version.
Goldenbaum is one of the worst fictional dictators ever.
He managed to turn humanity into a backwater species with declining technology and a population of a hundred billion at best (on hundreds of planets!)
The ruination he brought still affects humanity to the time LotGH is set.
What an incompetent hick.
How is it weak? What would make it good in your eyes?
And tigers are endangered as fuck. When I said you wont find them anywhere I mean they're pretty much nowhere.
It's not the same at all compared to a forest where everything and anything can kill you.
I just don't see how you can compare it to real life at all.
That'll explain why you think they're weak fantasy elements. More so if you post examples of strong ones, or ones you consider strong.
But if you're just going to post an opinion and not back it up, whats the point?
I don't see how comparing tigers or hawks to fantasy creatures makes any sense, because they're not the same at all. Nor does it make them unoriginal.
Also just because a series uses beastman doesn't make it unoriginal. That'd be like saying because Tolkien has elves, dwarves, and mages, everything else using that after is unoriginal.
Well, yeah, you are right.
Japanese doesn't have that "soft s" or however it is called in front of "i".
Maybe ズィ instead of ジ? Also, it feels like that syllable ends up too short due to the ッ, and the ト is too hard.
>watch ep 1 of Arslan Senki OVA last night
Between the historical narrator, Narsus von Oberstein, and the battle tactics, is this LOGH in a fantasy setting? I'm really enjoying it so far.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Kaiser Reinhard the wise?
>new manga series
Please tell me it's not shit.
You don't wanna know.
Like, don't get me wrong. I read tons of fucking shoujo manga and I love cute girls doing cute things. A true connoisseur loves manime and moeshit both, and can appreciate cute things and manly things.
But this is just vile. It's the embodiment of evil.
>mfw Rudolf was supposed to be LoH's Hitler allegory
>pol/ is convinced it's Reinhardt
chill nostalgiafags. The new artstyle is pretty cool, and it's likely it will only evolve with time. It's not moe art at all. It's closer to Shoukoku no Altair style.
The kidou senshi gundam manga that still uses the 80s-90s art is almost always shit and flops.
Get a load of Julian in the latest chapter
It's cute, again, don't get me wrong there. Just not what I want for LotGH.
For the anime? No, not necessarily.
Just don't get your hopes up. Come with no hopes and you wont be disappointed.
>angry blonde motherfucker
>equally angry half-Asian nan
>angry blonde motherfucker
>suave black-haired player who gets all the bitches
Also, any word on the anime remake?
From what I remember, it was going to be more of a readaption of the novels, so a second crack at it more or less. Haven't heard much about it at all though.
If they're making to be aired on TV, I wonder how much that'd affect the show?
It's pretty hard to visually tell you a debate about the merits of democracy and autocracy, but they do actually show you multiple times besides. All of the minor details and side stories contribute to that overarching theme. That's showing.
But the dialogue makes it explicitly clear why they're showing what they're showing.
I don't think that's a problem.
The manga looks alright, just not as good as the old designs. It wouldn't really be possible to do it any other way so it's fine.
However, the manga has one serious problem and it's the same problem that the Gaidens had. It's focusing way too heavily on Reinhard/Kircheis and Yang. While the three of them were always the most important characters, they we never the only point of view or focus of the show. Right from the beginning Legend of the Galactic Heroes introduced a ton of characters that would go on to become very important even if you didn't know it yet.
The bar fight with Mittermeyer and Kircheis, the two random gunners. It all led to the feeling that this was a grand story in an expansive world.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes didn't start with 10 episodes of nothing but Reinhard/Kircheis and Yang.
It's my favorite anime, but it definitely isn't for everyone. Keep watching and if you can get into it then you'll love it. If not it'll bore you. Try watching the movie that comes before the series "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars".
>Surely he's aware the empire will most likely shit the bed after he dies?
He expects that exactly. It's why he makes a point to not fire the vice minister of construction and groom him to take over the position when the real minister's job is over. He knows his government of exceptional men won't last, so he prepares by getting the people to accept a reduction in speed and progress as inevitable.
>How are crazy creatures in the wild metaphors for other countries?
They represent the "other." E.T for example is a messianic narrative depicting how the kindest creatures are the "outcasts" of society. In Independence Day, the alien foes are portrayed in a negative light and show how the strange and alien are far away for good reason, and that we should ban together to stop their "invasion."
>It's an FPA episode
>It's a Jessica Edwards episode