I have a question about Owarimonogatari episode 6. Dont read if you dont wanna get spoilered.
I dont get how Oikura didnt notice that her mother died. They just say Oikura didnt notice that she was caring a corpse and thats it. Oikura always made the food and her mother also ate at the beginning. After some time her mother ate less and less and eventually stopped taking the food. If she doesnt eat anything what Oikura prepares Oikura MUST have notice this.
If the same food Oikura made is untouched in several weeks or months and Oikura knows that she is the only one bringing food to her mother shouldnt she bother look after her mother? I mean she didnt eat anything for a long time so how can Oikura know that her mother is alright if she doesnt talk to her or see her body? No one can survive like that and I think Oikura was old enough to understand this fact.
Is the story surreal or am I missing something?
yeah she didn't want to believe it but she was confronted everyday with this fact
i don't know if she went to school by that time but if she can go to school and cook for her mother she couldn't be that mentally unstable and delusional
>girl imagines meeting a dead snake god who asks her to find his dead body and literally spends days having conversations with herself
>nah that's fine
>girl can't accept that her mother's dead
>what the fuck man that would never happen
if the story involves supernatural things like a speaking snake then I won't question so much about its logic and sense but Sodachi's story doesn't involve any supernatural beings or fantasy things
>girl imagines meeting a dead snake god who asks her to find his dead body and literally spends days having conversations with herself
None of that happened anon.
and there is another thing that bothers me
She was dissociative, whatever evidenced that her mother was dead was selectively ignored. Basically she might think that the period her mother didn't eat isn't completely abnormal or that it was less than it really was. It also helps being 12 years old, but that situation might have been the same even if she was older.
Some people believed that the "eating a little food" were because of rats though.
18 year old Sodachi is still insane and perfectly able to deal with all of her daily life tasks with no problems.
She was always both a victim and a crazy cunt, the mother thing just helped Araragi who is used to crazy cunts to realize she was beyond that.
And up to this point whenever she lied was to sugar coat her situation so no one would pity her, not to make herself a victim.
>Some people believed that the "eating a little food" were because of rats though.
this is the only argument so far that could convince me but the anime doesnt say anything about rats
the translations says that she (the mother) was still eating a little
Just because you're thinking crazy people should be rational when even sane people aren't. Selectively choosing evidence that confirms one beliefs is what the brain does even for normal people. And a child prodigy detached from reality like Sodachi can be very creative in distorting the facts into something she really believes into.
and what about this
>If the same food Oikura made is untouched in several weeks or months and Oikura knows that she is the only one bringing food to her mother shouldnt she bother look after her mother? I mean she didnt eat anything for a long time so how can Oikura know that her mother is alright if she doesnt talk to her or see her body? No one can survive like that and I think Oikura was old enough to understand this fact.
Sure, she could also test her hypothesis that her mother is alive using the scientific method. She doesn't want her mother to disappear, and as long as she can justify that reality somehow she doesn't need to think about it any further.
Pretty much. The brain can't fully understand the objective world so it takes a lot of shortcuts, which is why science requires an extremely careful and methodical procedure to say anything is actually true (and even so truth changes with time). For example you usually believe in your doctor without having actual evidence he is speaking the truth, as you justify it as someone who understand it said so. Just look for cognitive bias and dissociation for basis on wikipedia since I'm no good with thinking about examples.
Sodachi is a special case since she has actual psychological disorders, but it's not far from that idea.
Stupid sexy math... I never knew math would one day give me a hardon.
You mean mathematics didn't always give you a hard-on?
Too bad you didn't have your own math fairy to teach you math well enough to be worth of the nickname Euler.
I dont know if Sodachi has actual psychological disorder. The anime never mentions any diseases.
The idea that she justifies a reality of her mother being still alive after not eating several weeks or months by distorting facts seems odd to me. She is certainly depressed, somehow insane and really angry at her family situation but if she can think up plans to solve her situation, teaching Araragi mathematics, then she cant be delusional to that extent.
Also when a human dies his body deteriorates but the skeleton will be there for several years. How can she see a skeleton and think her mother is still alive?
She experienced a whole life of extreme abuse, she can't be compared with someone with a normal childhood, social life and no traumatic events, but the point was that humans aren't rational, little crazy anime girls especially so.
And people can be in denial without affecting their normal life, in fact that's the reason for denial, it's a coping mechanism. The breaking point for Sodachi was realizing that there are people who have happy childhood, destroying her belief that her life was "normal", the summer lessons were a desperation attempt to save herself, and the divorce the point of no return when she gave up fighting and embraced the status quo. When she is saved before that,
she has a normal life and becomes someone completely different as shown in Zokuowari.
And she didn't stay long enough for her mother to become a skeleton, just enough to lose her mother's features, when the mother "ran away".
Also she isn't angry at her family, she is angry at herself for ruining her family. Being angry with her family and Araragi is a post-rationalization, but it doesn't correspond to how she actually feels, just another coping mechanism.
Being smart at tests doesn't make you smart at life and immune to issues of subjective perception or psychological problems.
Not to mention Sodachi is a complete social retard, she even says so in Orokamonogatari.
>you can be smart and mentally ill at the same time you fucking retard
Proof that OP is a retard.
Do you even know what schizophrenia is? Go watch A Beautiful Mind, you twat.
Dont reply to him anymore.
Sorry my fellow anon, I misread "can" with "can't" in you post. I think I'm also a retard.
see the picture
By episode 5 you could already realize that the mother died since it doesn't make sense for her to lock the door back, and completely sealed the room (so it was dark) and there was a lot of trash in the house (smell) and Sodachi mantra "I didn't wish for my mother to disappear" like she was repeatedly telling herself it as in "a lie told often enough becomes the truth".
Episode 6 just gave all the hints again so there is no doubt, including Araragi acknowledging her insanity when she gives the answer.
>I dont know if Sodachi has actual psychological disorder.
Doesn't the fact that she shrugs off her mother abusing her as "she just did it out of frustration so it's not her fault" and "she wasn't as bad as father" make it obvious enough for you?
>Dont read if you dont wanna get spoilered
OP come on, everyone and their mother knows what is generally happening and soon to happen in mono threads.
Go away spooky.
her mother was beaten by her father so she feels sorry for her, she cant hate her mother as much as her father though her mother also abuses her
I dont think that this behaviour is psychologically ill
>she cant hate her mother as much as her father
that bit is fine
>though her mother also abuses her
Sodachi outrights shrugs it off as it not being her mother's fault that she's abusing her though. Sounds psychologically ill to me.
Hello OP, care to tell my what year it is right now?
She can shrug it off since she thinks it's her fault in the first place. And that's because all her life her parents blamed her for everything bad in the family, especially when she became "rebellious" by wanting not to be abused. But since the father also abused her mother, who is "innocent", she could easily see him as guilty as well.
She eventually says Araragi isn't at fault as well, but if she doesn't blame him she can't escape blaming herself as her parents can't be blamed anymore for things she did after they "left" her.
When you remember something anon, your brain is actually recreating the memory based on the information you received and how you perceive it. However, you don't always remember things correctly; it' why witness testimony isn't always reliable.
The brain can also block out memories of traumatic events if you really want it to. Oikura wasn't ready to accept the reality of her mother, so the brain made a cover story to block out the memory. It wasn't until she asked Araragi and Hanekawa to find out what happened that she was finally ready. She knew the truth all along, that why when they told her, she had no real reaction, because she had known for years, and was only ready to accept it now.
I dont understand what you say here
even if we realize that she died in episode 5 how is that a hint that Sodachi is delusional
for a daughter that didnt wish her mother to disappear she didnt pay much attention of how much her mother is eating in several months
ITT: OP is a psychologist and is trying to prove that a fictional character in a cartoon where everyone sees spirits and other entities, isn't mentally ill.
Because either she is delusional or a pretty good liar that has no reason to lie.
And the conflict was that she did want her mother to disappear, she was causing her continuous suffering, but if she did wish that then she really is the bad daughter that ruined the family, so she couldn't ever think about that possibility.
That's probably it. There might have been a part of her that was still clinging to the hope that she could've been wrong; that her mother was still alive and that Araragi could prove it. Oikura's a smart girl. If Ougi and Hanekawa could figure out the situation based solely on her story, then it's not hard to believe she could've as well. Only problem is that she didn't want to believe that reality and hoped the others could find something she might've missed that can contradict her conclusion.
if deep in her heart she wishes that her mother should disappear I think after quite some time it would result in a behaviour where she doesnt really care about her mother anymore
she also went to school and when her mother disappeared she then says that could catch up all the subject matter in school
and if she doesnt really care about her mother she also wouldnt mind if she stops eating
but because of her actions (not looking after her) her mother died
so she indirectly killed her consciously or unconsciously we cant know because she her memories are distorted like Hanekawa said
She can't be blamed of not preventing her mother's suicide though. The only chance she had was to seek help from other adults.
these shots say that she tried to care for her mother but wasnt able in the end because of the other stuff she had to do (cleaning the big house, school works, buying things etc.)
what this means is she neglected her mother more and more because she was too busy
eventually her mother died but Sodachi was too busy to notice how much her mother was eating
It's pointless as she can't force feed her mother, only provide her with food. At the point that it would be beyond just guessing the mother would be long dead already, so it would be pointless.
If she was an uninvolved adult she might have discernment to call an ambulance right after she stopped talking, but then the mother would just do it again if she ever returns.
Jesus Christ, this was all discussed to death when the show was airing. In fact, it was one of the few times I've seen /a/ reach a consensus on something. Why must we discuss it again and again? This is starting to feel like Madoka: Rebellion all over again.
Only the power of Spooky-posting can quell this newfaggotry, anon.
There really isn't enough discussion about Math's more important aspects.
For example, how can she be so cute?
>For example, how can she be so cute?
High level mathematics.
She certainly presents a perfectly solid geometry in the 3D Euclidean space.
I must have missed this discussion as I missed this the first time I watched it, but after Episode threw the cross at Seishirou, Seishirou jumped and landed on top of it. Shouldn't he be unable to touch it as he is a full vampire?
That was about Sodachi, not Nadeko.
Nadeko wasn't abused in any way, and she was a victim mostly of the effects of her own personality and lack of social skills.
His blood is so effective that he didn't need.
Is this your first time watching anything monogatari?
>Purposeful spoiling of a series may result in post deletion and temporary ban.
/a/ may not care, but I suppose mods do these days.
Second time was just her playing safe so she wouldn't embarrass herself in front of her enemy and she was confused about the sudden healing.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
They are being discreet with their movements since Sodachi doesn't know about the supernatural.
What the hell this looks like garbage, I hope it was on purpose.
No, although I haven't watched a SHAFT show since Moon Phase. I just clicked on that webm while scrolling down the page.
Romantic or not, that relationship is just way more interesting that Koyomi's highschool romance stuff with Crab and the others
same goes for his relationship with Snail, even though that ended up having a romance angle to it anyway
Wait a year for Zoku, and then buy a lot of BDs so they feel safe to adapt the following book, which is more than half about Sodachi alone.
I don't think they're much worse than average about that, are they? Anyway, he's telling you to buy them if you want more Sodachi, not to buy them because you want them.
Only 4 BDs if you buy just episodes featuring Sodachi (I assume just one in Zokuowari).
They will at the very least finish final season. Off-season is a big maybe, but at least Oroka is the very first if they give it a try and don't skip anything.
They said that they're going to adapt 'everything' - that being said I doubt all this off season spin-off stuff that Nisio is currently putting out will all get adapted.
The rest of Owari (3 story arcs) + Zoku (1 big story arc) are likely though, maybe all together in Owari's second cour
>They said that they're going to adapt 'everything' - that being said I doubt all this off season spin-off stuff that Nisio is currently putting out will all get adapted.
Unless they decide to take a break and work on new Madoka and then use the leftover profits to work on Off-Season.
Is it even the same team for Madoka and Monogatari?
Also, one week for the full version of mathemagics now.
It's aniplex who decides the budgets, and it's probably more of a question of how much they expect in return.
A new Madoka season will probably have larger budget than what Owari had and higher returns, but it's also not something they can't keep making new seasons since the cast is small and the spin-offs weren't successful.
It doesn't seem like she is enjoying it at all there.
Because Nisio thinks that normal couples are boring. Koyomimonogatari make it seem like there will be no romance with crab either, leaving only one small arc in the rest of owari.
>Because Nisio thinks that normal couples are boring.
It's true. When you focus on an established couple it's usually pretty dull unless you add stupid drama and other bullshit.
That's why I don't mind the majority of their normal boring ass relationship being in the background.
There is still time at least, the season just ended.
What is this loony toons bullshit?
Shaft TV broadcast.
Nisio operates by taking shitty cliches and then coming up with reasonable justifications for why the people involved act like that.
I think you've forgetting the order of events. Not like it matters, but she first screws up his name when she's still greeting them at her doorway, and then right after she says it carefully, and then they go in and they heal her cheek