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I have a question about Owarimonogatari episode 6. Dont read if you dont wanna get spoilered.

I dont get how Oikura didnt notice that her mother died. They just say Oikura didnt notice that she was caring a corpse and thats it. Oikura always made the food and her mother also ate at the beginning. After some time her mother ate less and less and eventually stopped taking the food. If she doesnt eat anything what Oikura prepares Oikura MUST have notice this.
If the same food Oikura made is untouched in several weeks or months and Oikura knows that she is the only one bringing food to her mother shouldnt she bother look after her mother? I mean she didnt eat anything for a long time so how can Oikura know that her mother is alright if she doesnt talk to her or see her body? No one can survive like that and I think Oikura was old enough to understand this fact.
Is the story surreal or am I missing something?
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>>136372708
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136372743

thank you spooky ougi
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>>136372743
hello reddit
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>>136372743
Thank you spooky ougi
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136372708
She was mentally unstable and delusional back then. She didn't want to believe her mother was depressed/dying so she chose not to.

>>136372743
Thank You Spooky Ougi.
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>>136372708
>Is the story surreal
Well it's certainly not naturalistic. Monogatari never is.
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>>136373026

yeah she didn't want to believe it but she was confronted everyday with this fact
i don't know if she went to school by that time but if she can go to school and cook for her mother she couldn't be that mentally unstable and delusional
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>>136373126

thats true
with this question I wanted to point out whether such an incident could be possible in the real world under the exact same information given from the anime
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>>136372708
>girl imagines meeting a dead snake god who asks her to find his dead body and literally spends days having conversations with herself
>nah that's fine
>girl can't accept that her mother's dead
>what the fuck man that would never happen
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>>136374579

if the story involves supernatural things like a speaking snake then I won't question so much about its logic and sense but Sodachi's story doesn't involve any supernatural beings or fantasy things
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>>136374579
>girl imagines meeting a dead snake god who asks her to find his dead body and literally spends days having conversations with herself
None of that happened anon.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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and there is another thing that bothers me

>pic related
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>>136374758
keyword being IMAGINES you fucking retards
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>>136372708
She was dissociative, whatever evidenced that her mother was dead was selectively ignored. Basically she might think that the period her mother didn't eat isn't completely abnormal or that it was less than it really was. It also helps being 12 years old, but that situation might have been the same even if she was older.

Some people believed that the "eating a little food" were because of rats though.

>>136373326
18 year old Sodachi is still insane and perfectly able to deal with all of her daily life tasks with no problems.
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>>136374821
She didn't image it. She just straight up lied to the viewer.
She fabricated a story in which she would be the victim instead of the crazy cunt she actually is.
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>>136372743
>>136372743

thank you spooky ougi
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>>136374854
She subconciously fabricated it though.
Conciously she thought it was real, hence why she had to get Kuchinawa to explain it to her at the end
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>>136374854
It was fabricated in the sense it was a delusion she produced for the sake of deceiving herself, not the audience.
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>>136374854
She was always both a victim and a crazy cunt, the mother thing just helped Araragi who is used to crazy cunts to realize she was beyond that.

And up to this point whenever she lied was to sugar coat her situation so no one would pity her, not to make herself a victim.
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>>136372708
>Dont read if you dont wanna get spoilered.
>implying /a/ cares about spoilers
4chan newfag detected. You're new here aren't you?
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>>136374831

>Some people believed that the "eating a little food" were because of rats though.

this is the only argument so far that could convince me but the anime doesnt say anything about rats
the translations says that she (the mother) was still eating a little
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>>136375730
Just because you're thinking crazy people should be rational when even sane people aren't. Selectively choosing evidence that confirms one beliefs is what the brain does even for normal people. And a child prodigy detached from reality like Sodachi can be very creative in distorting the facts into something she really believes into.
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>>136375610
Man, only newfags use newfag. It's stops being "cool" after a while. Welcome to /a/?
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>>136375962

>Selectively choosing evidence that confirms one beliefs

which evidence did she select to confirm that her mother is still alive
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>>136376036
Pretty much whatever. "She isn't talking to me because she is sad and I'm a terrible daughter.", "She isn't eating because the food of a terrible daughter isn't tasty".
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>>136376139

and what about this
>If the same food Oikura made is untouched in several weeks or months and Oikura knows that she is the only one bringing food to her mother shouldnt she bother look after her mother? I mean she didnt eat anything for a long time so how can Oikura know that her mother is alright if she doesnt talk to her or see her body? No one can survive like that and I think Oikura was old enough to understand this fact.
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>>136376195
Sure, she could also test her hypothesis that her mother is alive using the scientific method. She doesn't want her mother to disappear, and as long as she can justify that reality somehow she doesn't need to think about it any further.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136376281
she doesn't want her mother to disappear and all that needs to be done is to imagine or justify it somehow in her mind?
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>>136376451
Pretty much. The brain can't fully understand the objective world so it takes a lot of shortcuts, which is why science requires an extremely careful and methodical procedure to say anything is actually true (and even so truth changes with time). For example you usually believe in your doctor without having actual evidence he is speaking the truth, as you justify it as someone who understand it said so. Just look for cognitive bias and dissociation for basis on wikipedia since I'm no good with thinking about examples.

Sodachi is a special case since she has actual psychological disorders, but it's not far from that idea.
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Stupid sexy math... I never knew math would one day give me a hardon.
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>>136377126
You mean mathematics didn't always give you a hard-on?
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>>136377261
not until recently... i suck at maths.
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>>136377766
Too bad you didn't have your own math fairy to teach you math well enough to be worth of the nickname Euler.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136377042

I dont know if Sodachi has actual psychological disorder. The anime never mentions any diseases.
The idea that she justifies a reality of her mother being still alive after not eating several weeks or months by distorting facts seems odd to me. She is certainly depressed, somehow insane and really angry at her family situation but if she can think up plans to solve her situation, teaching Araragi mathematics, then she cant be delusional to that extent.
Also when a human dies his body deteriorates but the skeleton will be there for several years. How can she see a skeleton and think her mother is still alive?
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>>136372743
Thank you spooky Ougi.
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>>136378259
She experienced a whole life of extreme abuse, she can't be compared with someone with a normal childhood, social life and no traumatic events, but the point was that humans aren't rational, little crazy anime girls especially so.

And people can be in denial without affecting their normal life, in fact that's the reason for denial, it's a coping mechanism. The breaking point for Sodachi was realizing that there are people who have happy childhood, destroying her belief that her life was "normal", the summer lessons were a desperation attempt to save herself, and the divorce the point of no return when she gave up fighting and embraced the status quo. When she is saved before that, she has a normal life and becomes someone completely different as shown in Zokuowari.

And she didn't stay long enough for her mother to become a skeleton, just enough to lose her mother's features, when the mother "ran away".
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>ctrl-f >noko
>0 results
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>>136378259
Also she isn't angry at her family, she is angry at herself for ruining her family. Being angry with her family and Araragi is a post-rationalization, but it doesn't correspond to how she actually feels, just another coping mechanism.
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>>136378942
>mother's features

She would certainly recognise a corpse and whose corpse could it only be.
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>>136379658
Certainly if she didn't block the possibility of her mother being dead.
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>>136379658
no she wouldn't because she's delusional you dense fuck
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>>136372743
thank (You) spooky ougi
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>>136379739
and how does she block it with such a good brain
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>>136379821
was meant to >>136379710
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>>136379821
you can be smart and mentally ill at the same time you fucking retard
jesus christ how do you not get this
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>>136379821
Being smart at tests doesn't make you smart at life and immune to issues of subjective perception or psychological problems.

Not to mention Sodachi is a complete social retard, she even says so in Orokamonogatari.
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>>136380018
you dont have to be smart at tests to know whether someone is alive after not eating for months
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>>136380063
Then what you said above doesn't matter.
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>>136379995
>you can be smart and mentally ill at the same time you fucking retard
Proof that OP is a retard.

Do you even know what schizophrenia is? Go watch A Beautiful Mind, you twat.

Dont reply to him anymore.
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>>136380085
and what is it that doesnt matter?
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>>136380129
what? The guy I'm replying to is OP, not me
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>>136372743
Thank you spooky ougi
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>>136380235
Then both of you are retards, because you can still be smart and have delusions at the same time
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>>136380304
but that's what I'm trying to tell OP?
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and why doesnt the anime just say that she was delusional or was it incorrectly translated
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136380381
because it's fucking obvious.
are you american by any chance?
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>>136380327
Sorry my fellow anon, I misread "can" with "can't" in you post. I think I'm also a retard.

ごめんなさい
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>>136380381
see the picture
>>136375585
By episode 5 you could already realize that the mother died since it doesn't make sense for her to lock the door back, and completely sealed the room (so it was dark) and there was a lot of trash in the house (smell) and Sodachi mantra "I didn't wish for my mother to disappear" like she was repeatedly telling herself it as in "a lie told often enough becomes the truth".

Episode 6 just gave all the hints again so there is no doubt, including Araragi acknowledging her insanity when she gives the answer.
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>>136378259
>I dont know if Sodachi has actual psychological disorder.
Doesn't the fact that she shrugs off her mother abusing her as "she just did it out of frustration so it's not her fault" and "she wasn't as bad as father" make it obvious enough for you?
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>>136372708
>Dont read if you dont wanna get spoilered

OP come on, everyone and their mother knows what is generally happening and soon to happen in mono threads.

>>136372743

Go away spooky.
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>>136380928

her mother was beaten by her father so she feels sorry for her, she cant hate her mother as much as her father though her mother also abuses her
I dont think that this behaviour is psychologically ill
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>>136381099
>she cant hate her mother as much as her father
that bit is fine

>though her mother also abuses her
Sodachi outrights shrugs it off as it not being her mother's fault that she's abusing her though. Sounds psychologically ill to me.
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>>136372708
>noko
Hello OP, care to tell my what year it is right now?
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>>136381160
her mother also suffers, she tries to find a reason why she suffers then she makes Sodachi responsible and Sodachi knows that so she shrugs it off
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>>136381160
She can shrug it off since she thinks it's her fault in the first place. And that's because all her life her parents blamed her for everything bad in the family, especially when she became "rebellious" by wanting not to be abused. But since the father also abused her mother, who is "innocent", she could easily see him as guilty as well.

She eventually says Araragi isn't at fault as well, but if she doesn't blame him she can't escape blaming herself as her parents can't be blamed anymore for things she did after they "left" her.
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>>136379821
When you remember something anon, your brain is actually recreating the memory based on the information you received and how you perceive it. However, you don't always remember things correctly; it' why witness testimony isn't always reliable.
The brain can also block out memories of traumatic events if you really want it to. Oikura wasn't ready to accept the reality of her mother, so the brain made a cover story to block out the memory. It wasn't until she asked Araragi and Hanekawa to find out what happened that she was finally ready. She knew the truth all along, that why when they told her, she had no real reaction, because she had known for years, and was only ready to accept it now.
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>>136380701
I dont understand what you say here
even if we realize that she died in episode 5 how is that a hint that Sodachi is delusional

for a daughter that didnt wish her mother to disappear she didnt pay much attention of how much her mother is eating in several months
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>>136381543
See>>136381512
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ITT: OP is a psychologist and is trying to prove that a fictional character in a cartoon where everyone sees spirits and other entities, isn't mentally ill.
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>>136381616
>tfw I am a psychiatrist and laughing at this thread

Love /a/.
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>>136381512
so the younger Sodachi actually noticed that her mother died but years later she retells unconsciously a wrong story to Araragi and Hanekawa?
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>>136381770

A lie that isn't a lie.
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>>136381543
Because either she is delusional or a pretty good liar that has no reason to lie.

And the conflict was that she did want her mother to disappear, she was causing her continuous suffering, but if she did wish that then she really is the bad daughter that ruined the family, so she couldn't ever think about that possibility.
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>>136381770
no, she unconsciously knows the truth.
Conscously, she doesn't want to believe it, so she convinces herself that it didn't happen
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>>136381770
That's probably it. There might have been a part of her that was still clinging to the hope that she could've been wrong; that her mother was still alive and that Araragi could prove it. Oikura's a smart girl. If Ougi and Hanekawa could figure out the situation based solely on her story, then it's not hard to believe she could've as well. Only problem is that she didn't want to believe that reality and hoped the others could find something she might've missed that can contradict her conclusion.
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>>136381830
if deep in her heart she wishes that her mother should disappear I think after quite some time it would result in a behaviour where she doesnt really care about her mother anymore
she also went to school and when her mother disappeared she then says that could catch up all the subject matter in school
and if she doesnt really care about her mother she also wouldnt mind if she stops eating
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>>136377126
>not immediately getting a boner upon hearing Marina Inoue's voice
anon what is wrong with you
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>>136382138
She wished her mother would go away in the way she didn't want to suffer like that anymore, she didn't want her to actually die. Much less die because of her actions.
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>>136382329
but because of her actions (not looking after her) her mother died
so she indirectly killed her consciously or unconsciously we cant know because she her memories are distorted like Hanekawa said
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>>136382623
She can't be blamed of not preventing her mother's suicide though. The only chance she had was to seek help from other adults.
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>>136383041
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>>136383041
>>136383091

these shots say that she tried to care for her mother but wasnt able in the end because of the other stuff she had to do (cleaning the big house, school works, buying things etc.)
what this means is she neglected her mother more and more because she was too busy
eventually her mother died but Sodachi was too busy to notice how much her mother was eating
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>>136383486
It's pointless as she can't force feed her mother, only provide her with food. At the point that it would be beyond just guessing the mother would be long dead already, so it would be pointless.

If she was an uninvolved adult she might have discernment to call an ambulance right after she stopped talking, but then the mother would just do it again if she ever returns.
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Just noticed Bakemono Vol 1 was completely translated. Guess he kept his word.
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>>136384302

Good on him.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi

Marry me spooky Ougi
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>>136384302

>>136384302
>Guess he kept his word.
who?
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Jesus Christ, this was all discussed to death when the show was airing. In fact, it was one of the few times I've seen /a/ reach a consensus on something. Why must we discuss it again and again? This is starting to feel like Madoka: Rebellion all over again.
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>>136389301
Only the power of Spooky-posting can quell this newfaggotry, anon.
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>>136389301
There really isn't enough discussion about Math's more important aspects.

For example, how can she be so cute?
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>>136389301
Not everyone lives on /a/ you loser faggot
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>>136389432
>he doesn't live on /a/
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>>136389426
>For example, how can she be so cute?
High level mathematics.
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>>136389537
She certainly presents a perfectly solid geometry in the 3D Euclidean space.
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I must have missed this discussion as I missed this the first time I watched it, but after Episode threw the cross at Seishirou, Seishirou jumped and landed on top of it. Shouldn't he be unable to touch it as he is a full vampire?
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>>136389741
I assumed he is safe because he isn't touching it directly having shoes.
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>>136389801
That was my guess too. Is there a definitive lore explanation regarding the exact powers of crosses against vampires in the monogatari series?
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>>136372708
>noko
Also, why is Hiro telling me about sundance?
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>>136389301
>This is starting to feel like Madoka: Rebellion all over again
Arguing over the same shit endlessly is older than Madoka, anon.
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>>136389942
I know, but in recent years Rebellion has typified it.
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>>136389942
You mean Eva old?

We should be thankfully that Nisio will never stop writing Monogatari and he is still young.
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>>136375585
Snake was never a victim.
Also what did she sugar coat? Her fake problem she made up to get closer to Araragi?
Yeah good job snake.
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>>136389999
>Snake was never a victim.
One could argue that she was a victim of weird parenting. It doesn't excuse her actions, but it gives valuable context to a lot of them.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136389999
That was about Sodachi, not Nadeko.

Nadeko wasn't abused in any way, and she was a victim mostly of the effects of her own personality and lack of social skills.
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>>136390165
>and she was a victim mostly of the effects of her own personality and lack of social skills.
And: >>136390093
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>>136390093
Everyone is a victim of parenting anon.
How you act is still your responsibility.
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>>136389942
Speaking of which, I just noticed that Lelouch was the cart driver.
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>>136390203
Yeah, but Nadeko is still a child and the type of parenting she received made her a ticking timebomb. Blowback was inevitable.
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>>136390165
>poke-poke
What is she referring to here?
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>>136390811
To the poke-poke on her cheek.
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>>136390811
>she still had some trouble saying Alalagi's name after this
He should've poked the inside of her mouth too, clearly
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>>136390165
>poke-poke
What is she referring to here?
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>>136390990
His blood is so effective that he didn't need.
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>>136372708
Is this your first time watching anything monogatari?
>>136375610
>Purposeful spoiling of a series may result in post deletion and temporary ban.
/a/ may not care, but I suppose mods do these days.
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>>136391044
Second time was just her playing safe so she wouldn't embarrass herself in front of her enemy and she was confused about the sudden healing.
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136391821
i was raped by adam sandler too
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>>136391530
What's with the animation? They move like robots
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>>136392047
is this your first SHAFT show?
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136392047
Oh boy, is this bait?
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>>136391530
They are being discreet with their movements since Sodachi doesn't know about the supernatural.
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>>136392146
Are you going to tell me with a straight face those are natural movements?
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>>136392194
Did I say that they were.

See: >>136392102
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>>136392169
What the hell this looks like garbage, I hope it was on purpose.

>>136392233
No, although I haven't watched a SHAFT show since Moon Phase. I just clicked on that webm while scrolling down the page.
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Reminder.
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>>136392353
I was expecting the shinobu x black hanekawa webm.
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>>136392279
>I haven't watched a SHAFT show since Moon Phase
there are people who still haven't seen meguca?
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>>136392353
Romantic or not, that relationship is just way more interesting that Koyomi's highschool romance stuff with Crab and the others
same goes for his relationship with Snail, even though that ended up having a romance angle to it anyway
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I just want more Sodachi.

What must I do to make this a reality?
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>>136392279
>I haven't watched a SHAFT show since Moon Phase
>in a thread for S4 of Monogatari
Why?
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>>136392556
>even though that ended up having a romance angle to it anyway
I don't really count that as romance.
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>>136392279
>I just clicked on that webm while scrolling down the page.
There are people who don't use the catalog?
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>>136392675
Did you stop reading my post right after that sentence?
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>>136392482
>watching meme shows
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>>136392721
Catalog is for the most part useless on boards without generals. /a/ posters usually don't title their threads either.
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>>136392616
Wait a year for Zoku, and then buy a lot of BDs so they feel safe to adapt the following book, which is more than half about Sodachi alone.
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>>136392725
I assumed you meant scrolling through the thread, before >>136392721 reminded me that the first page still existed.
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>>136392769
You see the whole thing at once. Also,
>/a/
>boards without generals
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>>136392785
>BDs
>forty quid every 2 episodes
>80~ episodes and counting
>over a grand for one show
fuck aniplex
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>>136392793
I haven't seen /a/'s from page in years. I bookmarked the catalog the first day I came to the board and never looked back
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>>136392857
*front
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>>136392848
>Aniplex
I don't think they're much worse than average about that, are they? Anyway, he's telling you to buy them if you want more Sodachi, not to buy them because you want them.
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>>136392857
You're pretty new then since the catalog is not a very old feature.
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>>136392848
Only 4 BDs if you buy just episodes featuring Sodachi (I assume just one in Zokuowari).
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>>136392785
>Wait a year for Zoku

Will this actually become a reality?

Let's be honest here. Just how far does SHAFT plan to adapt this?
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>>136392924
Isn't it like four years old at this point?
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>>136392924
The catalog has been there for at least a few years, but yes - I don't think I'd be considered a veteran of the board.
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>>136392956
They will at the very least finish final season. Off-season is a big maybe, but at least Oroka is the very first if they give it a try and don't skip anything.
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>>136392956
They said that they're going to adapt 'everything' - that being said I doubt all this off season spin-off stuff that Nisio is currently putting out will all get adapted.

The rest of Owari (3 story arcs) + Zoku (1 big story arc) are likely though, maybe all together in Owari's second cour
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>>136392896
fairly sure Aniplex are worse than normal, although not as jewish as Kadokawa
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>>136393077
>They said that they're going to adapt 'everything' - that being said I doubt all this off season spin-off stuff that Nisio is currently putting out will all get adapted.

Unless they decide to take a break and work on new Madoka and then use the leftover profits to work on Off-Season. Please Shaft?
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>>136393679
Is it even the same team for Madoka and Monogatari?

Also, one week for the full version of mathemagics now.
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>>136393824
I doubt it's the same, but I mean with regards to which series that all the manpower and budget is being funneled into.
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>>136394029
It's aniplex who decides the budgets, and it's probably more of a question of how much they expect in return.

A new Madoka season will probably have larger budget than what Owari had and higher returns, but it's also not something they can't keep making new seasons since the cast is small and the spin-offs weren't successful.
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>>136374773
yeah, nobody can possibly mistake a sp00ky fucking skeleton for garbage
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>>136392955
looks like she's enjoying the d from that angle
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>>136395938
It doesn't seem like she is enjoying it at all there.
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>>136393077
>They said that they're going to adapt 'everything'

The question is how they plan to do this.

Because in all seriousness, Koyomimonogatari has been total shit.
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>>136396244
Both are side stories, but different from koyomimonogatari the off-season actually involve things happening.
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>>136392556
That's probably because there's barely any romance shown on screen between Araragi and Crab after Nise.
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>>136397500
Because Nisio thinks that normal couples are boring. Koyomimonogatari make it seem like there will be no romance with crab either, leaving only one small arc in the rest of owari.
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>>136372743
Thank you spooky ougi.
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>>136372743
thank you spooky ougi
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>>136401118
So, basically no more monkey in the anime unless they adapt oroka?
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>>136397905
>Because Nisio thinks that normal couples are boring.
It's true. When you focus on an established couple it's usually pretty dull unless you add stupid drama and other bullshit.

That's why I don't mind the majority of their normal boring ass relationship being in the background.
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>>136401225
Koyomi water has monkey
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>>136401225
Mostly.
I was satisfied though. Shinobu mail gave me enough monkey and re-affirmed her place as best.
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>>136401298
>>136401392
Not even some mirror monkey?
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>>136401534
What is mirror monkey like?
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>>136401624
Hetero except for Araragi
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>>136401624
Mirror monkey is just the Rainy Devil.
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>>136401659
Wait what?

>>136401678
The rainy devil is just a small part of who she really is.
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>>136372708
Holy shit monogatari is literally 2deep4u
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>>136392766
>i havent seen it so i'll call it a meme!
Hilarious! Absolutely hilarious! Do you mind if I post this on reddit? You'll get tons of upvotes haha
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>tfw no Math fairy doujins
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>>136403473
There is still time at least, the season just ended.
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>>136403473
>>136403654
>Araragi x Math Fairy hatesex doujins
Lovely.
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What is this loony toons bullshit?
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>>136404269
The animation quality or the cliche?
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>>136404300
Both desune
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>>136404326
>animation quality
Shaft TV broadcast.

>cliche
Nisio operates by taking shitty cliches and then coming up with reasonable justifications for why the people involved act like that.
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>>136372708
>noko
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>>136391144
I think you've forgetting the order of events. Not like it matters, but she first screws up his name when she's still greeting them at her doorway, and then right after she says it carefully, and then they go in and they heal her cheek
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