uq holder 109

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>>136354107
What's post-haircut Motoko doing here?

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>>136354200
suffering

Will I miss anything if I read UQ Holder without reading Negima?

>>136354619
One good arc and a terrible ending

>>136354107
>Karin gets rekted again
Embarrassing.

>>136354619
No but you'll understand less and enjoy less certain things.

>>136354713
Ok it was a 10/10 arc and it was literally half the entire manga. It redeemed the entire first few volumes of shit.

>>136354717
>>136354619
given the terrible things i've heard of negima, I refuse to go anywhere near it.

So far UQ isn't any less fun for it.

Its hard to understand some namedropping tough, but if you read between the lines and read it with /a/ you won't have an issue with that.

>>136354769
Not even close

>>136354713
>>136354717
>>136354769
>>136354810
>hating Kyoto arc
>enjoying meme Rakan

/a/ 2016

>>136354810
I avoided Negima like the plague too for the longest time, but then I was tired of waiting on a UQ Holder chapter and I powered through the first 100 chapters of Harem Shit. Was 150% worth it. One of my favorite battle shonen's now. Also it had me going from rolling my eyes at the stupid catch phrase at the beginning of the series to actually respecting Ken a lot more for the way he expounded on something so simple and silly.

>>136354619
Negima is shit UQ Holder as well and is only read by waifufags.

>>136354619
Here's how you do it
>read first 10 chapters of Negima
>realize how long the manga is
>realize Negi never fucks
>realize Negi is a huge faggot
>start UQ Holder and watch the cuckfest as Touta destroys Negi's legacy by being a superior male

>>136354769
Mahora arc?
Hell yeah, Chao is fucking awesome the whole arc is the high point of the series really.

The tourney fight against Rakan mini-arc is a close second.

>>136354918
The only good part of Kyoto arc is Honya's first kiss.

>>136354918
I enjoyed the Kyoto arc, and the Chao arcs don't get me wrong. Just loved the last arc.

>>136354356
When will Touta get his suicidal eternal timeloop? Ken still seems adamant on not forgetting that the deeper premise of the series deals with the pain and practicality of immortality.

>>136354810
First arc is pure harem with average art, it id ffor 4 volumes and the hardest part. Then there's the Kyoto arc which is action and the switches are more frequent. It becomes really good after this. The ending is rushed but there are some good arcs and fights.

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>Mahorafest will never be animated

Why live.

>>136355025
Anime is a mistake.
-K. Akamatsu

The Chapter is out on CR btw, I'd post it but I'm on my phone.

>>136355006
Probably after he loses the tournament against Negi and gets sent to Mars.

The one who saves him is Chao, who teaches him to become a Mob Boss of Justice.

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>>136355041
In some instances I agree, but that was a great arc that needs more love.

As long as they cut out Ako.

>>136355081
I personally can't wait for Touta to add his brown imouto into his harem. And his cousins too.

>>136355055
Was just about to ask if they were late since it's not in the mega folder yet.

>>136354619
Read Negima.

>>136355110
Anon, brown Imouto will be his rival, with a dash of Negi to Touta's Asuna. The cousins probably won't get added to the harem, since they are too young.

>>136355041
He said he'd be fine with a UQH anime and Shaft but wants Eva's VA to voice her again. In old interviews he said he'd pay more attention to them following the story too.

>>136355081
Touta might beat Negi and Nagi if he can max out his Erebia and Cancel. I mean that's basically Negi and Asuna in one person and that's the combo Negi needed to beat Jack.

>>136355006
When he loses in the Semi-Finals of the tournament to Negi and has a long Korean NTR sequence of him watching Negi fuck Eva and Fate in front of him.

>>136355207
If Negi beats fate instead of Touta after Touta has build up this much anger towards him, would it be shonen battle NTR?

>>136355188
Touta lacks magic talent and he needed more than that to beat Jack. Touta will become the strongest but not that early. Dana said he'd need 10 years to complete her training.

>>136355165
Hey he's four anyway. And you got that aging pill thing. No such thing as too old or too young in this series.

And brown imouto is too delicious too just be his rival, maybe make her into his Fate or something.

>>136355172
>SHAFT
Eh. Not sure if they are suited for more serious series.

>>136355290
Yea but we haven't had any time chambers in UQ Holder yet, didn't Eva use to have her own personal one? I bet Dana would have one that would give Touta several years. Or he could train in a Kirie loop.

You know what's hilarious? Negima started off as a harem series that segued into an action one.

UQ Holder is doing the exact opposite of that.

Ken is a fuckin troll.

>>136355326
Shaft did a pretty good job with Ef.

>>136355286
What do you think the finals will be?

Negi whips his dick out and just proceeds to fuck the Eva/Fate team. Touta then turns around and sees all of the girls in his harem and also Santa being NTR'd away by the one and only Jack Rakan The chapter ends with Touta trying to kill himself and being unable due to immortality.

The final page is just a picture of Akamatsu giving everyone the finger.

>>136355367
The ironic thing is that both series benefited from the genre change.

>>136355339
No need for time chambers. He can do time skips or make him stronger and stronger each arcs.
>>136355326
Well, their work on Negima was better than Xebec's.

>>136355400
I know. Maybe Ken is smarter than we thought?

>>136355408
Negima's animes are exactly why I'm scared of a potential UQ one. Just the OVAs were good.

Holy shit is Karin Judas?

>>136355286
>>136355207
>>136355387
>People who actually were invested enough to finish Negima STILL salty

Eva never loved Negi, he's a touta secondary haahhahahaha

>>136355326
>Not sure if they are suited for more serious series.
>UQ Holder
Are you fucking stupid?

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>>136355387
Negi/Nagi vs Eva/Fate. Eva's team loses and she gets kidnapped by them, with Fate barely surviving. Then the Touta suffering can start.

>>136355490
>only self-insertfags like Touta

How pathetic

>>136355387
I mean that's still a better ending than Cage of Eden.

>>136355490
Eva never loved anyone. And I'm not salty still have Negima in my top Manga.

>>136355400
The current arc is getting too long. Dana arc is still the best and it's not like it'll always stay like that.

>>136355519
Why is Kirie the only one who knows how these things work. Touta would have conquered Eva already if he just did what Kirie told him.

>>136355519
The way I see it Touta won't get involved in the Negi plot and will focus on Imouto and the tourney itself.

>>136355491
More serious than Negima anyway.

Santa's arc is fucking dark. It's only recent chapter that Ken start to make it more light hearted.

>>136354939
>realize Negi never fucks
>realize Negi is a huge faggot
I mean, he was only 10. The girls are the weird ones, falling in love with a boy that young.

>>136355519
Ooooo Yukihime Rescue arc where the Mage of the Beginning has to square off against a bunch of pissed off immortals? Touta going full mind of steel and abusing Kirie's power and love to win? Sign me up.

>>136355527
Anon, if you could choose to become Nagi, Negi or Touta you'd choose Touta? Stop with your shitposting.

>>136355490
>Caring about Eva
People are mad about the implied NTR ends for all the girls since we have possible kids running around and them claiming Negi had none.

Im mad Ken is a fucking faggot and wrote Eva's familiar out of the story.

>>136354107
>making Karin straight with Springfield charms

This fucking guy indeed

>>136355602
>>The way I see it Touta won't get involved in the Negi plot and will focus on Imouto and the tourney itself.

Akamatsu love doing throwback to Negima. We will probably see someone acting as Takamichi toward Touta.

So uh, chapter when?

>>136355387
>What do you think the finals will be?
Rakan VS Negi

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>>136355729
Already out. I guess I'll dump it since nobody else has.

>>136355729
Already out on crunchy, give it time for someone to rip it.

Kirie is Judas
Touta is picking a fight with Jesus

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>>136355490
Only thing I hate about UQ holder is its god awful pace. Its been how many chapters since his sister/tournament was introduced?
Hell we are on chapter 109 and we still know jack shit about the plot and Touta's motivation of going into space is just kind of there.

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>>136355638
Seriously. He might take a pill that makes him look grown up, but he's like twelve years old tops.

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>>136355832

>>136355810
Negima had the same problems with too much useless harem arcs, the MM arc became stale for a while then rushed.

>>136355810
Well Akamatsu is probably in no danger of getting canceled, so he has no incentive to rush it. He'll take whatever time he need.

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>>136355869

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>>136355910
this fucking guy

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>>136355950

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>>136355872
Only Ako arc is somewhat stale.

Yue and Makie's arc is awesome, we got to see them being badass too. And Natsumi's arc is really fun.

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>>136355367
You know what is hilarious? Ken wanted to do an action series for Negima but his editors wanted another Love Hina.

>>136354918
>hating Rakan

>>136355765
you mean Karin.

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>>136355991

>>136355810
Ken literally said that now he's got freedom he's just going to follow his whims and fun with it. And I'm ok with it, you can tell he's getting a little tired of the business by the ever diminishing backgrounds in this series. Let him play around, once he pulls us back to the main arc I feel like we're in for a ride. Feel like he's building up the harem elements and now we're going to get an even more badass Jack tournament arc.

>>136356005
>tfw still no Yue in UQ after that one appearance

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>>136356033

>>136356005
Makie is boring though.

>>136355910
Since when does Touta care about tits? Eva was ready to flaunt them back in chapter 3 or 4 and he was like no thanks.

This fucking chapter. Goddamit Ken.

>>136355910
>>136355869
It's not even fair for these poor girls, this guy is a cold blooded killer.

>>136356039
>tfw no Nodoka
>tfw no yuri end
>tfw no yuri harem for Yue

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>>136356078

>>136356033
>You really are a beas.
>Let's do it together
The doujins write themselves.

>>136356085
That's when he still saw her as a bit of a Sister/Mom. Nowadays he'd go for it.

>>136355469
>>136355765
I'm curious about this. We know Karin considers herself to be cursed by God, but her encounter with the shadow pervert way back when suggested that her immortality was because God loved her.

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>>136356119

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>>136355527
>>136355490
>UQ is 3 years old and anons still fall for this bait

>>136355872
>Negima had the same problems with too much useless harem arcs
By chapter 110 of Negima do you know how many arcs we had?

We had Negi's backstory shown, we had antagonists shown up, we had Negi having significant growth from his own tournament arc, we had demons showing up and giving hints to the plot, we had Mars being foreshadowed and even introduced.

>>136356038
I don't mind the dick around character arcs, I actually like them. But god damn he can easily tie them into the main story. Have him and Karin be fighting off some idiots for the prelims. Have his sister show up, even if its just a few pages on her watching something irrelevant and it doesn't go somewhere with the plot at least give some sort of reminder that there is actually one.

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>>136356165

>>136356119
>Karin is Judas

KEEENNNNN

>>136355469
It seems like she's mixing the roles of Judas and Mary Magdalene. I'd been wondering since the slums arc if she was; "beloved by god" and the big XIII on her back for being the 13th disciple both pointed to the latter. The Judas stuff is a new twist, though.

>>136356033
Just like my doujins

>>136356166
Hey fuck you Asuna, he didn't even know his mom's name or anything about her. How the fuck do you find that?

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>>136356033
>>136356165
This fucking guy.

>>136356119
The twelve discipline?

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>>136356078
Should have kept the socks

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>my Judas can't possibly be this cute
Is this worse or better than Saber?

>>136356255
>dat face
It's like she's literally melting from affection.

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>>136356285

>>136356285
That smooth motherfucker.

>>136356241
There's even a crucifix on the hill in panel four.

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>>136356316
And finished.

>>136356285
>Will literally dickpunch God for you
Touta truly is prime breeding material.

>>136356316
Eva showing up just in time to keep her man.

>>136356116
>tfw no yuri end
>tfw no yuri harem for Yue
Thats a good thing

>>136356285
This nigga definitely has more of his great grandpa gene than his faggot gramps.

Also fucking finally.
Will we have Santa/Mizore arc next?

>>136356285
Touta is too smooth.

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>>136356085
I think it's because he became used to see her body. The first times he was embarrassed at seeing her naked. This plus he didn't know he loved her before the fear of NTR by Fate.

Literally this fucking guy: the MC

>>136356241
>The twelve discipline?

Well, since that's a big only 13 on her back there, the thirteenth disciple is a better call. Anyone who isn't familiar with Mary Magdalene should brush up on the basics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene

>>136356005
I actually liked that arc, it was cute. It was refreshing seeing a completely normal girl get some time in the spotlight, too.

>>136356355

OH SHIT!

>>136356285
They are going to fight Gods sooner or later.
>>136356413
Santa is not gay.

Why didn't Karin just imagine herself some new clothes?

So Karin is actually a two thousand year old ethnic Jew?

>>136356332
But why did he betray him? Couldn't have been for 30 sheckles.

>>136356534
Cause she wanted the D.

>>136356467
I'm blind.
Don't some cult said that Mary Magdalene is Jesus's wife or something? Not sure how that tie to her betraying Him though.

>>136356475
I don't know, Ako already have her spotlight during the Mahora tourney that might make me more biased.

>>136356526
Santa could have some brotalk with Touta, talking about Sayoko's last massage or something.

Plus it's been quite sometime since we last saw him being an ass, he's too meek recently.

>>136355910
Holy shit, setting a high standard now in the way MC's should get the job done.

>>136356033
god dam my dick

>>136356578
>Plus it's been quite sometime since we last saw him being an ass.
If I could control internet like him I'd be pretty mean.

>>136356578
Ken probably retconned the Bible and made Mary the betrayer instead of Judas

>>136356548
Hey, $30 in 1920 would be worth $370 last year. Imagine how much $30 from the time of christ would be.

>>136356543
The oldest UQ Holder as far as we know, right?

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>>136356543
This page said she's southern european though. Plus her name doesn't sound quite jewish to me.

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>>136356643
So Karin's a biblical prostitute?

So Karin is a cross of Judas and Mary Magdalene then?

>>136356033
>No, maybe I'm the beast
Seriously!!

>>136356465
>>136356322
>>136356094
>>136355963
Touta Harem MC Great all Beta Harem MC's BTFO. It's like Ken wanted to do a Harem with an Alpha MC who literally pulled everyone in a week.

I don't know how to process these last three chapters. Did Karin just become my waifu?

>>136356674
Or that might be her disguise and fake name after quite some time.

>>136356674
She could've just changed her name at some point, especially if she was trying to make a new identity for herself.

>>136356355
Even Touta is flustered by the drug effects.

>>136356674
She could have been wondering around all the way till then, doesn't mean she wasn't wondering before then. Just the first time she made History as the Steel Saint

>>136356674
That is probably what she went by when she was in Germany. She may really be Judas travelling the world looking after Jesus's garden, changing names as she goes so people don't get suspicious.

>>136356674
>No one knew when she got there.
reading comprehension is a wonderful skill anon.

>>136356674
She was just in Southern Europe at one point. Honestly, I'm more annoyed now that Karin isn't deliciously brown, considering she's a BC Israeli.

>>136356693
And maybe the Wandering Jew?

>>136356788
But Jews are white.

>>136356674
What if Karin is both Judas and Mary of Magdala?

>>136355527
>reading Ken's manga for anything other than self-inserty masturbation when you're bored

You're the pathetic one

>>136356718
>Your first waifu
Congratz anon!

So does this mean that at the second coming of christ instead of a rapture Touta gang is going to try to kick the King of the Jew's ass?

>>136355575
>Eva never loved anyone
>implying Eva=/=Kitty

Shuddup and take your lumps.

>>136356578
>Don't some cult said that Mary Magdalene is Jesus's wife or something?

The first few centuries of Christianity, there wasn't a big formalized church with a central leadership and an official list of what was canonical and was what apocrypha (what we'd call canon and fanfic). So there's a lot of conflicting versions of the gospels, beyond the four that made it into the Bible.

Magdalene's role varies in the different versions, but the main points line up with some of Karin's traits: she's the female 13th disciple of Jesus who had a very close relationship with him that was probably that of a man and a woman as well as a teacher and student. The new bits mentioned this chapter, the betrayal and hanging, are stolen from Judas who Karin seems to combine roles with.

>>136356872
People self-inserted into Negi?

>>136355575
>Eva never loved anyone
Nagi?
Touta?

>>136356886
God = Mage of the Beginning

>>136356933
Well /a/ is filled with manchild with mentality of 10 years old kid.

Too bad for them Negi is probably more mature than them.

>>136356698
Probably got the idea for that shit from Magi with Alibaba going full spirit and time around the exact same time Touta did.

>>136356933
>Genius mage
>Harem at 10
>Learns martial arts super fast
>Mastered Magia Erebea
>Bishie and super smart
They did and they still do.

Maybe Ken is just referencing Christian iconography for style points/to emphasize the goodness of her mentor without really intending to state that she's literally a biblical figure and she fucked over Jesus.

>>136356969
>not being around Negi's age in 2003

You guys should have your life support pulled by your great grandchildren already.

>>136356033
>kabe-don
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRrwJ6Lnec

One of these days I'm going to try this.

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>>136357008
Seeing Christian iconography here and Saki really makes me happy.

Not Christian but bible stuff is cool!

>>136357008
Why doubt it? Ken's Japanese, so he's both less likely to hold religious figures as above story material and less reverential of Biblical characters in specific.

Am I the only person glad that Negima ended with none of his students winning the Negibowl?

Their blatant paedophilia made me really dislike some of them and I was rooting for Anya or literally anyone else his age to win over them.

>>136356939
>Nagi

The equivalent of banging your widows twin sister when you're drunk. Eva only loved Touta, Ken destroyed NTR by retconning first love + adding amnesiac elements + adding Touta's husbando imprinting.

Literally the greatest purityfag writer of the 21st century.

>>136357123
>Doesn't like SS

Kill yourself.

Plus they only have like 3/4 years differences.

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>stripping Judas/Mary Magdalene for ecchi comedy

Is this considered blasphemous?

>new chapter
hype to be honest

>>136357146
By the end it was closer to 1 year, thanks to the time distortion shit Negi went through in training. You could see him age noticeably as the series went on.

Can the tournament start now?

>>136357146
High schoolers falling in love with an elementary/early middle school kid? That's pretty fucking weird.

Seriously, where can I read this online? I cannot find a place except CrunchyRoll and they demand subscription fuck that shit

>>136357115
Because he's avoided making any definitive statements on the validity of any real world religions up to now rather deliberately, with the most he's done being referencing magic systems from them or including various demon races/mythological creatures from Shinto and such in Negima.

Having someone in the cast literally know Jesus and having been cursed by God for betraying him goes way beyond any of that and pretty much straight up establishes Christianity as "right", which seems extremely weird to me given his history.

>>136356674
Her name as we know it is European, but I guess it's a fake name.

>>136357165
Probably technically, but only if you're an uptight asshole who thinks Christianity is exempt while every on religion on Earth gets used as character material.

>>136357244
Mangatraders.

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>>136357123
He did end up falling for someone in his class by the end, though.

>>136356823
modern Jews are Euro descendants. Those were middle eastern Jews, and they looked like middle easterners.

>>136357146
I like /ss/ in porn but in works where you're meant to take the cast seriously it's hard to like literal paedophiles who actively want to abuse a child.

>>136357204
I'm pretty sure that despite all logic Negi was stated somewhere to still be only like 11 at the end of Negima

>>136357244
Here you go:
http://mangapark.me/manga/uq-holder-akamatsu-ken

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>>136357165
If Mary Magdalene isn't a 2000 yr old virgin I'm dropping this.

>>136357165
Well, we don't exactly know who she is.

>>136357249
Jesus having existed and exhibiting a divine connection is not the same thing as Jesus being the son of the true and only God who created everything while every other divinity recorded in legend is either a lie or a trick of the devil.

>>136357296
There's actually nothing in the epilogue which indicates as much, and the lack of reference to it in the girl's summaries can be taken as a strong sign a non-student won.

>>136357296
It was Nodoka
Ken confirmed it

>>136357146
>3/4
Shit man he spent so many years in the time chamber its way less than that

>>136357234
Weren't they in their second/third years of junior high?

>>136357249
There are Christian references in Negima.

>>136357249
What prevents Jesus from being real and Izanagi/Izanami also being correct?

>>136357321
The implication she's at least based on them is there.

>>136357364
>slutfag STILL this desprate

>>136357364
No. It was Anya.

>>136357310
She's a former prostitute, isn't she?

>>136357355
It kind of is unless Ken wants to definitively confirm Christianity is full of shit, which is equally weird for the same reasons.

I just don't think he intended for people to literally interpret her story as biblical and was just making references like normal.

>>136357400
Oh shit maybe they were. I just assumed they were in high school since quite a few of them (class president and ninja girl in particular) look pretty old.

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>>136357450
>She's a former prostitute, isn't she?
This is king Arthur.

Anyone here read SBR? There were biblical references but Araki added his own things. Akamatsu will do the same, there's a ton of JJBA references in this.

>>136357364
>>136357443
It had to have been someone in his class that didn't confess to him, and very likely to be someone that went to Mars with him.

>>136357234
>High schoolers falling in love with an elementary/early middle school kid?
They were middle schoolers.

>>136357425
>slutfag
?

Is this thread going to turn into a Christianity discussion now?

>>136357450
Prostitute thing can easily be retconned just like the fusing of Mary and Judas.

>>136357552
Ignore chisamefag.

>>136357406
Yeah but those are just on the same level as his Shinto, Buddhist, etc. references - they neither confirm nor deny the validity of the religion.

>>136357409
Nothing, but making him the son of God or not doing so both go farther than Ken ever has before as commentary on religion in-universe.

>>136357450
>It kind of is unless Ken wants to definitively confirm Christianity is full of shit, which is equally weird for the same reasons.

Eh. It's Ken treating Christianity the same way every other religion gets treated; mythology based on a nugget of real events that distort or omit a lot of the facts. It's just like how Hercules gets used by everyone without any endorsement of the primacy of Zeus or the validity of the Gaea & Uranus creation myth.

>>136357542
Still weird. Girls start going for guys 18 and up as soon as they kickstart puberty at age 10.
No reason to be into a shota except sexual dysfunction.

>>136357632
Springfield genes at work.

>>136354356
So she is Judas?

>>136357726
Read the thread.

>>136357552
memes

>>136357123
>paedophilia
>4 year gap between minors

Australia strikes again.

>>136357321
Basically this. My bet is that she isn't Judas or Mary Magdalene.

>>136358024
Irks me because there are tonnes of lolicons here.

>>136358031
She doesn't have to be, but there's a strong indication she is at least BASED on them.

>>136355991

>3 hours, 40 minutes of casually complimenting her technique while keeping up with her

>>136355832
I just love the signs, they are so cute.

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>>136355869
>>136355910
Absolute breeding material

>>136356404
>Doesn't even get phased that Touta is holding hands with a girl that's naked and covered in his jacket

She's really secure with her position as the winner of the Toutabowl.

>>136356085
Yukihime is mom, so he prefers her dfc form, with Karin there is nothing like that so he can enjoy the big boobs.

>>136356085
The girl he likes has big boobs of course, so its seen as a positive.

The way Eva is loose with it though is no fun for him at the moment. Boobs aren't something that are just shown to you willy nilly, boobs are something you find, and have to work to get.

He likes Evas boobs, but it takes the fun out of it because of the way he's always seeing them at times, or she's willing to show him.

>>136356119
Literally Judas

>>136356078
Well she is right, but just because she is right doesn't mean she is correct.

>>136358638
That and she has her fair share experience with Nage and Negi to know that something must have happened and it was all a misunderstanding.

>>136356119
The fak Ken, the fuck, Karin is Judas?

>>136356033
>>136356078
>Socks and shoes disappear too

>>136356413
His grandfather was only 10.

>>136356285
This kid, why is this kid so smooth. It's like whoever made him screwed up all the combat potential but made him the best lady killer possible. Mizore was right about how dangerous Touta was, why didn't we hear her?

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>>136356285
ALPHA AS FUCK
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>>136356285
One moment he's thanking god for this gift of immortality, and the next moment he's saying he'll fight him for this. Kid needs to get his story straight here.

Just stick with the first idea, think of immortality a gift, not a fuck up, and god did it for a reason which was good, so that now we can fight aliens and shit.

God wanted us to fight aliens, that's why he made them immortal, the logic checks out.

>>136358637
You mean tender handholding material

>>136358870
She subconsciously made them disappear. The were able to make their clothing appear earlier in the chapter.

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>>136356316
>>136356355
TSUN TSUN
DERE DERE

WHY CAN'T I QUIT YOU?

>>136355910
Yes, that is a big bonus for Karin, Touta says what we are all thinking.

>>136358870
Given that they were changing their outfits just by willing it so, presumably Karin subconsciously made herself completely nude after Touta blew away the rest of her clothes.

>>136358980
Touta thinks of it as a curse, but he is saying that since Karin thinks that God cursed her, then he will use his eternity to avenge Karin and settle the score for her since he loves her.

>>136356033
Do what? Save the world? Yeah fucking right, that was 3 hrs ago, he just wanna fuck now.

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>>136356674
>shoonk!

>>136359097
I meant that Touta thinks of it as a blessing for the first part...

>>136356674
Regarding Karin, if you look up her full name revealed in chapter 20, イシュト・カリン・オーテ translates to Ishuto Karin Ōte or István-Karin Ohte depending on translator. Jason Iscariot is written as イスカリオテ のユダ.
When looking them both up in Google translate https://translate.google.com/?source=gtx_c#auto/en/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%83%86%20%E3%81%AE%E3%83%A6%E3%83%80%0A%0A%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%88%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%86 you can see that the way Karin's name is split up is very similar to how Isacriot was made in katakana.
Isukariote no Yuda

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>>136356692
>>136357450

>>136359135
I think Touta really was talking about beating up Jesus

>>136359261
Jesus is already dead though. She betrayed him.

>>136359097
Mistakes into miracles, or whatever. She was right to be cursed perhaps, but that doesn't mean you can't make something of it and eventually find atonement, and that it was a bad thing in itself. Death ain't atonement, which is why she was cursed when she tried to take the easy way out.

You were given this gift/curse, so try to find the meaning in it, then do good with it, fight aliens ya buttmunch.

Its like when god cursed Cain with the Mark of Cain; which made him effectively immortal as no one could hurt him. However, he wandered the dessert and eventually established a colony, became mayor, helped people or whatever, he did something with it, and his blood-line was eventually forgiven. The curse wasn't just meant to punish, but it was also a symbol of love to say god was still watching, kind of like when god broke that guy's leg wrestling him once, I think it was Issac. Since he's giving you a chance to do some shit instead of just falling into the abyss and finding the easy way to suffer forever for no meaning. How about you get back in there, and stay there until you figure some shit out. He's not casting you out to death, he's forcing you to stay in the game until you do shit with it. An apostle ain't chosen haphazardly, even Judas; its gotta mean something.

Maybe god wants you to go into space and fuck Mars for being an asshole, all up there being a planet and shit, thinking its better than you.

>>136359296
>yfw they live long enough to see Jesus ressurecting

>>136359325
You, I like you.

>>136356442
Oh man, Eva sleeping with Touta tits a-blazin' takes on a whole new meaning now that we know she harbors romantic love for him.

She was seriously just laying it out there for him to bang mercilessly into the night, but she got nothing.

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>>136359325
>Karin is now Mary Magdalene, Judas, AND Cain

>Karin
>Cain

>>136356643
Yeah. It makes more sense for a woman to be the betrayer anyway. Jesus never learned about bros before hos.

>>136359427
It wasn't the Touta she remembered quite yet, and she knew that.

It wasn't the Touta who would bang her yet.

Its that reverse Hikaru Aging Plan talked about in Negima however; she was grooming him from an early age, to be the right kind of man who would be hers eventually.

>>136359470
kek

>>136356674
>Yseut
>Jesuit

>>136359468
.... Why didn't I see it sooner.

>>136356933
Negi's entire characterization was basically "if it involves insertion and Negi, then everyone wants it".

>>136357450
>She's a former prostitute, isn't she?
She wasn't a prostitute in the actual gospels.

>>136359379
>Jesus resurrects
>"I come to offer salvat-"
>Gets immediately BTFO by Tota
>"YOU MADE SEMPAI CRY!"

>>136356548
>30 child hostages

>>136359683
Well, she made him dead.

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Chances off edgelord Tota resurrecting after a timeloop of Fate NTRape?

>>136359683
Jesus is used to it, he had to take some abuse in the stories as well. He knows how to turn the other cheek.

However Karin probably won't be happy about him hurting the one she respected the most out of anyone, that she would try to kill herself for even betraying.

>>136357450
The entire setting is full of people who are arbitrarily powerful for arbitrary reasons, and especially full of people with magical powers. Take one charismatic Jew-mage during a time of social instabilities, have him lead a spiritual revolution, and bam, you've got Jesus. You can't exactly trust Karin's claims that her immortality is God's punishment. For all we know Jesus was the Mage of the Beginning and her immortality was just another one of his fucking around experiments or whatever--one kind of wonders why he ever bothered with any other kind of immortality, but maybe that's just his thing.

I think that actually makes a lot of sense.

>>136359735
>Well, she made him dead.
Judas did nothing wrong. Christianity would be nothing without him.

>>136359683
My bet is that Touta will heal her and she'll understand why she's been granted immortality like >>136359325.

>>136356078
did ken finally learnt how to draw nipples?

>>136359754
Tota would just say something about how Jesus needs to be honest with Karin because she suffered so much for him,
Jesus would rub the back of his head and apologize for tricking her into crucifying him or something
Karin would blush after and thank Tota for finally giving her closure.

>>136359747
>>136355519
It's sad to see how bad Eva is at cooking now after seeing what she could do as Kitty.

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>>136359783
Now there's a depressing thought. But interesting.

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>>136356119
Judas is best girl, as i always suspected

>>136359783
>and her immortality was just another one of his fucking around experiments

I don't think that would be the case. Didn't Eva say Karin's immortality was so strong that she and Touta would probably be the last ones around? Lifemaker wouldn't need to experiment on Eva if he already achieved that sort of immortality in Karin.

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>>136355519
Don't take a goddamn thing that girl says with a grain of truth.
Immortal tsunderes have learned to deny their love without going full blushstutter.

What a world we live in. If we got Eva internal monologues they'd be dere as fuck.

>>136359922
The exact reason for the lifemaker's "experiments" hasn't exactly been made clear. He's already functionally immortal with the body hopping, but why does he prefer that over Eva's immortality? Maybe he's just kind of obsessed with it and wants to discover all forms and facets of immortality.

Maybe, as he was once the son of the god, the son of the creator of the legion variations of life, he wishes to surpass his father by creating an even greater variety of immortals?

>>136359922
Well who's older, Eva or Karin? If it's Eva, then she could've just been a prototype and Karin was a later stage of the experiment.

>>136360020
If Karin is really Judas, and Negi-universe Jesus existed at the same time as we think he did in ours, then at this point we know for sure that Karin is older than Eva by something like 1000+ years.

>>136360020
if karin is judas, then eva, cuz she's bc age

>>136359996
What I was highlighting on this page was the "I won't disappear on you". It's pretty obvious that she loves him.

The way the lifemaker comes back is kind of consistent with how Jesus resurrects, too.

>>136359854
She's the one who did something wrong though, just because she's upset about that doesn't reverse it.

Touta would just get Karin to apologize.

He didn't trick her, he literally said this shit would happen three times, and none of the apostles for some reason knew what he was talking about, even when he said it that very night when it was happening.

They're all breaking bread to eat dinner, and he's like "One of you will betray me, its you Judas, I know it already, I can see the future. I'm not exactly holding it against you, just go ahead and do it already" and Judas rushes off to go meet with the Pharasies, while the other Apostles wonder what he was talking about there, despite how it was very direct.

Then he goes off to pray on a mountain with the apostles, and he's like "I'm going to be betrayed tonight, try to stay awake", goes off to pray, comes back and they're asleep, wakes them up, goes off the pray again, finds them asleep again, wakes them up and saying "Man, its happening now, be awake for this part" as Judas rolls up with some Romans and pharisees.

Judas says to the crowd behind them "The one I kiss is Jesus, he's the one you want", so he goes up and kisses him on the cheek, and they arrest him.

Peter cuts off a roman guard's ear, but Jesus just picks up the ear and puts it back on the Roman healing him, being all "Don't be doing that shit Peter, we don't play with swords. I've been saying all night this shit would happen, don't be surprised when it happens, its just going to happen, I can see the future. Before this night is over you'll deny that you ever knew me three times before the morning crow caws".

Peter ends up denying he knew Jesus when random people asked that night, and when the crow cawed, Peter broke down realizing what Jesus meant there.

Its like these people were traveling with him for ages, and still didn't know who he really was, or what he had come here to do. No matter what miracles he pulls out, they're confused.

>>136360181
>She's the one who did something wrong though, just because she's upset about that doesn't reverse it.
Wait till we see her flashback. There are always some twists in these kind of stories. Which could explain why she became immortal because he thought she didn't deserve death.

>>136360181
So the 12 disciples were all idiots who never listened to a word her said, or Jesus was actually the beta loser of the group who wasn't really that important, and they just made him out as a martyr (and maybe, if he was lucky, suddenly realized they liked having his beta ass around after he was gone) after the fact to spur on their goal of becoming the founders and heads of a new religion.

>>136359528
yseut is isolde though.

>>136360103
Hmm, that's not exactly right though. The Lifemaker hops bodies and Jesus' resurrection is just him coming back to life. I think it'd make more sense for Jesus to be one of the Lifemaker's puppets similar the Averruncus cause I remember him reviving Fate before.

>>136360080
By Eva did you mean Karin? Karin would be from the BC's, rather literally, whereas Eva was from the middle ages, wasn't she?

>>136360246
Girls can do no wrong. Karin will inevitably be in the right.

Jesus tricked Karin into becoming a traitor and Christianities scapegoat.

He takes this secret to the grave and allows Karin to believe she's scum, to the point of suicide.

God is like "fucking asshole son, making girls cry, don't kill yourself girl, you didn't do anything wrong, imma spank that lil shit later"

Touta forces Jesus to repent.

Judas did nothing wrong.

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Man, I'm really enjoying UQ Holder, but I still think Ken did a horrible job retconning Tota into Kitty's past. I just hate the fact that he shoehorned in Tota being nice to Kitty, before Nagi saved her. He literally did what Nagi did, except because of time travel crap, he ended up doing it before. I just feel like Ken was too lazy to give Kitty and Tota more development together, so he just shoved him in the past and called it a day. That's my biggest issue with this manga so far.

>>136360370
This. I can't imagine Ken having one of the heroines actually be a bad person.

>>136360284
Twelve Apostles were like Cromartie High, in the past.

They were fisherman, tax collectors, or the worst parts of society by most people's ideals, yet Jesus liked them. They were all strange types as well. Jesus would always have parties or feasts at tax collectors or odd people's houses, preaching to the "lesser types", and the pharasies were like "Look at this guy eating with the filth of society", and Jesus was like "Screw you for judging them and thinking them you're lessers, how about you try to help people instead of always lifting your head and being arrogant shit". Jesus was always getting into fights with the jews over stuff like that; and sometimes he would be amazed how some random gentile or roman would have greater faith than anyone among the people he was supposed to be sent here to help. The first one to even understand his words wasn't his aposltes, but some random gentile women, who wanted him to save her son, which he did, because she was the only one who understood his metaphors.

Jesus was no beta, guy had Charisma EX, wherever they went people always followed him and listened, even if they didn't understand shit.

>>136360338
Could be, yes. Though with transformation magic, who knows?

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Remember how Tota was not supposed to age? I keep thinking he's like 15-16 in recent chapters.
Fucking Eva bullshitting asspulls.
If he can regenerate at will he should be able to age himself up.

>>136360370
Why would he want her to suicide if he gave her immortality? She wanted to kill herself because she was mentally weak. She's seen with blood on her when she's hanging so he must have gave it to her when he saw her trying to do it as if to say "You must not die".

>>136360433
>speaks in convoluted metaphors
>in a time of rampant illiteracy and no public education
>Serious expects anyone at all to understand that shit.

Jesus was just a narcissistic smart kid who could never figure out how to actually socialize with people and so instead engaged in passive-aggressive insults by talking to them in ways they can't understand.

>Jesus: The original Jackass

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>>136360477
He grew like a full foot.

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>>136360018
Didn't Negima tell us he wanted the perfect type of immortality? I can't remember where, though, I only remember this page.

I assumed the Lifemaker never claimed Eva's body because she "killed" him before he could.

>>136360477
Eva never aged and she has regeneration. Maybe Touta can in fact age a little because his ME was unstable.

>>136360477
Getting his magic flowing is helping him age maybe?

>>136360539
Nobody wanted her to suicide. She just did it and God wasn't having nonna that and didn't let her pass on.

At least not until she finds out that Jesus tricked her all along and she didn't actually do anything wrong, Jesus wanted to die and made her look like the badguy.

Thus allowing for him to become a martyr instead of a shitty 30yr old man with a cult.

>>136360407
>Nagifag feels ntr'd

Love it. Best part of the manga.

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Holy fuck, when will we get more Dana? She's the best thing to come out of UQ Holder, besides NTR-level Fate. She's a fantastic character.

>>136360549
>Attains ceaselessness
Sounds biblical.

And I don't think the Lifemaker has ever communicated his goals directly. Or communicated much of anything. All I think we've seen are a few "Hello" type remarks when he reveals whose body he's taken to the next group to oppose him.

Maybe there's even an issue of finding an immortality that will work *on him*. His "ceaslessness" may actively interfere with his ability to take advantage of the various forms of immortality he comes across. Maybe Karin was one of the first he made, seemingly the most perfect, but was also the most incompatible and unusable for him.

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For those who forgot.

>>136360407
It doesn't help that in the beginning he set them up as a mother/son combo. I really thought he was going to keep that but then he brings out Touta loving Yukihime romantically out of his ass.

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>>136360675
I'm fine with her falling in love with Tota, but I just feel like it was horridly, and sloppily done. It just feels like Ken ran out of ideas for their progression, and just ended up saying fuck it, and re-did the Nagi incident.
>>136360723
It was hinted at the end of Negima!, that a sequel with her and her lover would be done, but I still don't like how ken went about making them pseudo-romantic partners. And for some reason, I just can't see her and Tota getting together by the end of the manga; I see him going down the Karin route, for some reason.

>>136360722
>Betrays Jesus, son of God
>So sickened with her own taint she tries to die
>She is still loved, so cannot die
>She must continue to live on forever burdened by her betrayal, unable to ever forgive herself or see herself worthy of any love at all
>Yet there's God's love, available at will
>She just can't understand it. She hates herself. Knows she's unworthy. Cannot conceive of any reason for the love. Is therefore tortured by the incongruity.

Deep.

>>136360618
>At least not until she finds out that Jesus tricked her all along and she didn't actually do anything wrong,

You're really reaching on this shit, trying to say her master was an asshole, and trying to curse him because you want Touta to beat him up. We know Karin was the one who did something wrong, but that's not so bad in itself, she was forced to live in some misery but she found some meaning because of that.

You're allowed to do something wrong in the past and develop from there, especially when it was thousands of years ago and we already have the currently developed "you" as we skipped all the steps in the middle.

Eva used to kill people all the time.

You're reaching hard saying a character can never do anything wrong, it wasn't retconned that Eva killed people all the time either, we saw it a few chapters ago.

Karin will meet Jesus again in his second coming.

>>136360822
Well, he was just now begging Karin to bump uglies with him.

Obviously he was just referring to working with him to save the world and the children. But how can you not want to ignore that and pretend he's trying to get laid?

>>136360841
Don't take it so seriously man, we all joking around.
Though I wouldn't put it past Ken, girls can't do bad things like betrayal. Killing, sure, as long as they're mindbroken or the dudes are mob fodder.

But cute harem girls don't betray people without a muh misunderstanding or muh trickory. Unless it's Sun-ken Rock.

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>>136360693
One problem is that Karin doesn't display any powers related to the Lifemaker like Eva, Negi, Asuna, and Touta do. >>136360722

She didn't even recognize this shit on Touta.

>>136360722
The fact that she's still loved by him, still given power and immortality, because he doesn't want her to die, even after she betrayed him, is her greatest despair as she's crushed by her sin even now.

Even Karin admits that this is love

Yet people are reaching to cast him as a villain, just like in his life when they put him to death, as they said he was some demon or witch.

Just like they did with Joan of arc as well

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>>136360822
>I see him going down the Karin route, for some reason.
Not happening anon. Don't let the harem flags fool you. Mizore warned them.

>>136360968
She might simply predate that sort of thing. Immortalities that reflect the Lifemaker may be something he started introducing after initial failures. To try to make the immortality more compatible with him.

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>>136360822
>I'm fine with her falling in love with Tota, but I just feel like it was horridly, and sloppily done. It just feels like Ken ran out of ideas for their progression, and just ended up saying fuck it, and re-did the Nagi incident.

Ayy lmao m8 don't you mean Nagi redid the Touta incident?

>>136361015
I didn't think they'd get together before the harem hijinks happened. I'm not sure why, but I just don't think Ken will have them get together in the end.

>>136360956
>girls can't do bad things like betrayal.
Setsuna's rival in Negima was a traitor. She's the cyborg who fought Ikkuu right? One of Fate fangirls ended up helping Negi even though she didn't completely betray Fate.

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>Touta is the ultimate harem MC
>Karin is Judas/Mary Magdalene

>>136361015
>You can ask for me to do this anytime.
>Anytime, Touta.
>Me, naked. Anytime.
>Wet, soapy tits on display. Anytime.
>Touching you. Rubbing your naked body. Anytime.

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>>136360722
>holy fist

>>136361015
He's getting a full harem ending.
It'll be some kind of shared harem pyramid scheme with Touta and Eva at the top.

Free love and peace my nigga.
UQ Holder is Ken repenting for years of blueballing us.

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>>136361102
That's not how retcons work, anon.

>>136360822
To be fair, Eva's past has always, always been a complete mystery. What we knew about her and Nagi was minor, he saved her, she followed him and was in love, simple as that. Nagi never reciprocated her feelings anyway.

This would make Karin older than Jinbei, and the oldest member of Holder that we know of.

>>136361111
>some girls rival
>literally nobody

Also she probably was doing it to protect a puppy or something, you don't know.

>>136361143
He tried confessing already, twice, it didn't work yet.

Too tsundere still

Even after thousands of years, tsundere.

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>>136354918
Kyoto arc is good and all, but hating Rakan is just beyond shit taste

>>136361176
It was planned all along. Nagi is a Touta ripoff.

UQ holder was drawn 20 years ago.

Touta gets sent back in time and becomes Nagi's father at the very very end.

>>136361164
I am usually fine with harem ending but I'd find it pretty disgusting in UQH.

>>136361222
In the end it'll be some king's game shit like "If I beat you you listen to one request!"
>Tobro wins
"Have a bout with me every night! This time I mean it sexually!"

>>136361274
At JP Expo Akamatsu said that he'd planned two scripts for the last Negima movie and the studio chose one. The other was UQH.

>>136361222
I think she's looking for him to try a different tack.

She's done the nice guy and confessions and misunderstandings routes before. Now she wants the guy to read the sub-text, take charge, and put the spurs to her because that's what he wants.

But, really, she's been literally throwing her body at Touta this entire time waiting for him to man up and just *take* it for himself! I bet during the recent time stop her popped blouse buttton and tits blaring out was something she did intentionally because she sensed the time disruption's magic coming.

But even then Tota wouldn't just take what was offered to him.

Poor Eva, being in love with such a faggot when she wants him to take charge and just straight-up claim her.

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Will Ken forever keep Negi as a pure maiden who isn't interested in filthy women?

>>136361274
>Touta travels back in time.
>Just before Nagi meets Eva.
>Touta tells Nagi that in the long run she's actually a pretty nice person and he should be kind to her and treat her like a person.
>Nagi was totally going to be an ass and treat her like a monster, otherwise.

You know it's coming.

>>136361222
You don't need love to fuck like rabbits. Would she accept to do >>136356442 again if he asked?

>>136360834
Shit, that just works perfectly.

>>136361311
Immortality makes love play under completely different rules. The time that normal people value while finding love has a different exchange rate in the market of immortals.

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>>136361396
You'd be dumb for not realizing that Ken will have Negi deus ex Yamada'd to defang him if he ever comes back.

>>136361458
>>136360834
Can only die when she forgives herself or something.

Realizes she was always forgiven; but as long as she's full of hate towards herself, she can't move on.

>>136361002
We're just speculating because the whole "unseen good guy was a bad guy all along" is a plausible way for Karin to resolve her issues later on.

>>136361462
It'd be ridiculous to be a monogamous immortal.

A immortal character is probably the only way to comfortably have a harem end, since all girls can get essentially get eternal affection without feeling cheated by their lifespans.

I really like that Ken is sticking with the immortal concept instead of doing the cut and paste "Lol he's immortal but the entire series takes place in 1 month"
The passage of time in manga as a whole is so under utilized.
you can already see Shinobu grew up a bit if your look closely too and that's really cool.

>>136361462
>Eva, Kuroumaru, Karin, Kirie, mizore, Shinobu and other girls to come.
No matter how I think about it it's just disgusting. Touta/Eva/Karin I can imagine it or I can imagine Kirie/Kuroumaru/Touta without Eva which is impossible but all of them and it becomes disgusting.

>>136361533
I'm still placing my bet on Judas did nothing wrong.

I'd say it's 20-70 spread against me though. I really just wanna see Touta punch god and talk no jutsu lecture him for being vague when he cursed Karin.

>>136361656
Immortals don't even like to be in relationships in the first place.

>>136360834
How very Christian of Ken...

>>136361708
He can fuck Shinobu and Mizore in a bigamy until they die. The rest can wait for that.

Harem doesn't mean they're all sleeping in a naked pile. With introduction of time-pause mechanics and spirit time room shit, he can have separate, contained, romances for multiple women, throughout multiple generations.

>>136361749
Racist.

>>136361768
Immortals come from many different places, and adhear to many different religions.

You could just as easily have an immortal that has a Japanese connection, or otherwise

"All mythology is kind of real" is a typical theme in anime. So yeah you obviously have a character that represents christian ideals, and other vampires.

Vlad Tepes was a Christian, he was the origin of vampires, think about it.

>>136361818
It comes from Eva's mouth.

>>136361794
That reminds me of the ending to Hana no Akuma, where the demon guy marries his tale of genji loli and she dies of old age while he still looks 25.

Their kids are in their 60s yet look 18 and the time caught up to modern era, you find out they've just been going around transferring to different highschools pretending to be teenagers for 50 years.

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>>136361886
She's just saying generally speaking they don't like romance.

Eva was really just projecting though, it's completely obvious she's still just a child inside, Touta knew this making his proposal.

The thing she says about human girls barely makes sense too.

Immortals would be less likely to do that shit, unless they're pragmatic sociopaths that hinge their relationships on how long their partner will live before they can be rid of them.

Some people don't seem to realize they're different tiers of immortality and not all immortality are equal.

Best example list i could find.

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality

>>136361794
I know but it's still hard for me to imagine that. The group just doesn't mash well together for that. As I said I can imagine some smaller groups but not all of them. I read Mushoku Tensei for example where ti's done pretty well, but there are only three girls and they have a good dynamic to begin with. All the other girls have been rejected and moved on.

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Negi undress girl by accident.
Little fucker (Touta) deliberately undress girl to shut her up.

I wonder when he will develop space magic to transfer his sperm directly to girl's womb. That way he can be true Sex God.

I was indeed Judas....