>Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime, so it seems that Dragon Ball has grown on me [so] much that I can't leave it alone.
Thoughts? Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?
Dragon Ball Evolution by a long shot.
>Directed by some nobody with a degree in film production
>So unfaithful to the source material it's practically a different franchise
>Can easily be ignored
The Last Airbender was heavily advertised, directed by M. Night Shamalan, and it's overall a much longer and more tedious film. You can't ignore it or forget about it.
Most people have already forgotten there was an American live action film adaption of Dragon Ball. While M. Night still wants to create a sequel to TLA despite it being released in 2010.
Huh. I didn't see until now, but the animation in the Blu Rays is actually pretty okay. It's at the same level as Z, if not slightly better at some parts.
Of course, this is just one scene, so who knows what the rest of season 1 looks like, but it's better than Toei leaving the broadcast versions unedited for the DVDs.
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Hope we get animation on par with this in the U6 arc.
Well, not from what we've seen anyway. The preview for the first U6 arc episode looked pretty bad, and if they always choose the best scenes for the previews, I dont want to know what kind of anus display we'll get.
Why is the animation quality so bad? the DBZ name alone is enough to draw a lot of viewers and long term fans, so why cut the corners and churn out some horrible low budget garbage anime? Is it just to save a few bucks? Are japanese people that jewish?
Toei is doing way too much shows so their shows' schedule is always fucked up to the point they have to out-source key animation and tweens.
IIRC, Digimon Tri's animation has been totally out-sourced because they couldn't manage to animate it.
its no different from any anime in the last 10 years that exceeds 2 cour. at that high of episode count, you simply cannot make every one of them look up to standard.
people think its some extreme outlier of shit quality. these people must clearly watch very few anime at all, maybe none whatsoever since the last time dragonball was on TV. it would not surprise me. this is a normal level of quality in modern anime.
I think we can all agree that Toei should have just continued producing big budget theatrical films every year alongside the manga, instead of churning out this pit stain of an anime that's literally kicking the brand name in the balls.
But this is Dragon Ball. It's hugely popular in Japan, and with Dragon Ball Heroes as big as it is, it would be easy to market the movies via new characters, features etc.
Resurrection F alone made 62 million, when the budget was just 5 million.
>But this is Dragon Ball. It's hugely popular in Japan,
Exactly. And for as long as enough kids are watching the show, they're getting mad money from the channel. They also get to sell merchandise.
Dragonball Super would get rid of the CGDCT and loli menace they said.
Dragonball Super would save anime and pave the way for the glorious age of MANime they said.
Dragonball Super would be the anime of the decade they said.
Turned out to be shit instead and now we get Word of God to lay the final nail on anyone who defends this piece of shit.
Blown the fuck out. Eat shit, DB fanboys, and drown in Toei's feces along with your shit outdated franchise while your god Toriyama laughs all the way to the bank with your stupidity in lucrative crystallized form.
Trust me, there are people defending and justifying Toei's mess.
Some of then say that it'll look good on BD (when the reality is it still looks like crap) while other says that it looks good majority of the time and that people should stop complaining.
They're in denial anon.
More proof that Toriyama just want them to stop raping his creation. People say he lost his mind but he only gets involved to try fix their mistakes.
He wanted out of it long time ago, but they can't stop milking it and without him at the helm it goes to shit every fucking time. Super is just the new GT.
Good thing it's not a movie then. Try reading the file name next time.
He won't say something like that. Too controversial, may some years down the road. At the moment he is just taking jabs at the poor production levels.
But you can infer from this that he didn't come to Toei with any new ideas, they came to him with their shit fanfic and it was apparently so bad he felt the need to step in an rewrite it from scratch. That's how Battle of Gods came to be. Doubt he is involved to that extent on everything that came from it, specially the show. So he decided to express disapproval publicly in hopes fans take it from there and Toei gets shamed into doing a half decent job for a change.
>fansubber who's an industry insider and employee of Sunrise
Because people will watch it anyway.
On the plus side, it makes me appreciate the old animation a lot more.
Apparently the episode has Bulma reference some of the Freeza arc filler that Ginyu takes over her body make me believe that it's Toei's scrips and it is an continuation of the anime not the manga.
Cell animation is basically time-less.
Anime got prettier as time went on, but that's because Japan had to learn how to do anime on minimum budgets which did require some additional fine-tuning.
The episode after this one didn't look nearly as good, though. Better than most of DBS but still not great; let's not fool ourselves into thinking that DBZ looked great all the time.
Well, varying animation quality in TV anime was the norm back in the early 90s. Super, on the other hand is coming out in 2015-16 were having consistent above average animation is to be expected.
Dragonball evolution is the a movie that would have improved if I myself wrote and directed it. I could do way better. it wouldn't have been a terribly good movie, but it would have been Dragonball.
I don't care what people say.
This scene was extremely comfy.
Wait a minute...
Does Videl have the same voice actress as Cosmo?
It was fundamentally bad, anon.
All the characters were cast incorrectly.
The story was shit all over in favor of being a shit Karate Kid ripoff.
The CGI and props were lazily done.
The makeup on the characters was even lazier.
>It's like he's trying to escape Dragonball but cant because everyone else does it wrong.
It's because deep down, he does care about his work. If he didn't and was only in it for the money, he just stay silent and let them do whatever they want.
Should this be stickied?
Is this old news?
>Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?
I doubt they could even if they wanted to. Their competent or otherwise talented animation staff is presumably spread too thin across their ongoing yearly productions.
And a lot of the time it appears that the new blood they brought in were either bottom-of-the-barrel scrapings from the rest of the industry or are just too green to bear fruit.
They are quite literally not the studio they used to be. The old are getting to old while the young are too young.
>Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?
Does it really matter? It's not like the only problem with super is animation quality, writing and character design is pretty shit too.
The BDs for Crystal actually look quite good though.
Writing aside, the problem with Toei is that they can't handle their own production scheduling as well as they once could anymore.
>get rid of the CGDCT
Anon, the people that watched DB 25 years ago is the people watching CGDCT now. You move from what you watch when you age, CGDCT being one of the last stages.
I miss good DBZ animation
Ah, these were the days. Back when Dragon Ball Z was Toei's top priority anime, and they put all their money and effort into making the show as enjoyable as possible, knowing they would make it all back ten fold thanks to the huge fan following and merchandise.
Now look what it's become. Besides the new movies, the franchise is a poor display. Why can't Toei just do another Z and make a hugely successful and memorable series? If Z made money because of how good it was, why can't they just make Super good?
>I got angry about the live action movie
I never heard about this, that's funny.
>Even Dragon Ball in his that became a thing of the past , or angry for subsequent live-action version of the movie ,
>You can rewrite the screenplay of the animated film , looking at the place where it or complain to the can of TV animation ,
>Finally , the fans who will stomach like such a Dragon Ball , Thank you very much ! ! A big thank ! ! You are .
In the end, the only good thing about Dragon Ball Evolution is that it motivated Akira to make a new Dragon Ball story.
We should be grateful it existed.
>Live action DBE or The Last Airbender, which one was more bearable?
DBE gave us back Toriyama and was done by a nobody who did almost zero damage to the franchise. The Last Airbender movie was followed by a certain shitty sequel series I don't mention and it appears Mr. Twistmaster wants a new live action movie.
they can hangle it just fine
they need to just stop taking on projects
how many shows are they doing now?
>Super, on the other hand is coming out in 2015-16 were having consistent above average animation is to be expected.
According to who? Also, how can you expect above average animation from everything?
> All these fags falling in a trap.Learn japanese
Follow your own advice, shithead.
It's either Toei, get absurdly lucky with a studio that's willing to do a long running anime because ???, or deal with 13-26 episodes and then probably nothing ever again, ever.
Because Toei produce anime in bulk. They make so much anime that they have to outsource most of the animation work to Korea because their animators are already overworked.
Toei currently creates like 6 ongoing anime series at the same time. There just aren't enough animators to handle all that work.
Nice to see a creator speak out for his property against a big corporation doing a shitty job on it. Toei really needs to be called out more often, for how big, storied and reach they are they're disgustingly cheap on a regular basis even by long running series standards. I mean fuck Hunter x Hunter ran almost 200 episodes too and you never saw it's production values just absolutely crater like a Precure, One Piece, DBZ and what not. Sunrise for example is able to run several hundred episode long Shonen/Shoujou series as well like Gintama, Keroro and Aikatsu without constant noticeable and embarrassing drops in quality. It literally just seems to be Toei that has this problem to this degree.
They have Bandai kicking in tons of money and trying to help review it too as part of the production committee so it's not an issue of funding either. There's really no excuse other than lazy shitty animators and outsourcing.
Like I care about the specifics. Point is they're a studio that makes more anime than they can handle making. Which is why the vast majority of it ends up looking like shit.
Honestly the anime industry as a whole is dangerously over-saturated right now and the quality of the works produced reflects it.
Toei are the only studio who try to make more anime simultaneously than they can realistically handle. It's not about one series being long, it's about making several series at the same time.
That's not surprising, the man was not even satisfied with what was coming directly from him! (remember how he liked only one drawing of his in the first Art Collection, claiming the rest were failures compared to what he actually had in mind?).
So don't expect him to easily accept even things that are perfectly fine, he's an extreme, ever-unsatisfied perfectionist that can't refrain to come back to his work, that's what he's saying.
He's certainly not saying that Super is bad, he's taking the blame on him.
He complained about the anime back in Z, he'll complain in Super too. Except Super is good enough for him to actually keep an eye on it, when he didn't watch Z at all if I'm not mistaken, even when his kids were. But then again, my memory may be playing tricks on me.
In other words, Toriyama doesn't say Super is bad, Toriyama says he's just annoying and never satisfied, which keeps him coming back to it. And that's good for us. :)
His sentence is to be interpreted as "I've been like this for a long time, and even now, I nitpick about the new anime when I really shouldn't". Which is why it's being published in the first place, it is not a criticism on anything but himself.
Toei is several degrees off from having the caliber of animators Sunrise studio 1 has even at the OVA or movie tier level of animating and their best work like One Piece Strong World. It'd never end up looking like Unicorn, Origin or Thunderbolt.
They need to consider sub-dividing their teams like Sunrise does which generally allows them to keep schedule even when they're handling like a dozen things at once. There are of course incidents like Code Geass though.
>Except Super is good enough for him to actually keep an eye on it
It is actually so bad he has to keep an eye on it. With DBZ he knew they were basing it on his work, with Super it's just Toei interns brainstorming, he can't let them kill his lifework years later.
As of March 17, 2015, 1.5 million copies of Dragon Ball Xenoverse have been shipped worldwide. The game was the second best-selling for PlayStation 4 on PlayStation Store for the month of February 2015, behind Dying Light. In April 2015, Bandai Namco Entertainment announced that more than 2.5 million copies had been sold.
2,500,000 * $50.00=$125,000,000
What the Christ?
This is from a show that's already past it's 150th episode
this is from a show that passed the 300 mark about a month ago
Dragon Ball Super hasn't even hit it's 30th episode after over 2 decades of lay off from the franchise.
>The BDs for Crystal actually look quite good though.
Yuko Minaguchi, she's also the voice of Hotaru in Sailor Moon, another failed Toei reboot that's so bad Premium Bandai seems to have stopped pushing the merchandise for it in favor of the original series aesthetic and has possibly withdrawn funding for it as well.
It's not like Precure is consistently good looking. Certain seasons look good, but it's overall as cheap and ugly as your average Toei anime. People just think everything looks like Heartcatch/Smile/GoPri.
One of the things that people liked about Z was watching the characters progress in strength. Now that the main characters all have essentially incomprehensible levels of strength, you can't portray that as clearly.
In order to make it like Z again, they almost have to start over again from the beginning. Maybe tell the story of a future generation or something, Don't give anyone a Super Sayian transformation until well into the new series, so that way it will mean something again.
They also have to axe the formula that they've gotten into.
Another thing that they have to do is to get off their repetitive formula for a bit.
Lately all DB has been is There's a new villain who's stronger than the last one, and Goku has to beat him. Dragonball has always been like this, but they also had other important stuff going on such as Gohan and Krillian going around Namek collecting Dragon Balls, while at the same time avoiding enemies who were a lot stronger than them.
But lately, they haven't gone off formula very much. It's just been Strong Guy shows Up, Goku has to beat him, repeat.
It airs on a primetime slot. You don't air shit in golden time. Why can't people understand this? Compare Aikatsu that looks shit compared to precure, uses crappy 3D2D shit and even looks like precure.
They simply don't have enough 3D animators at the moment to work on anything more than a movie. The second GoPri ED + the second part of the GoPri movie were animated by the same team, and according to the director, they had 20 people, including those who "helped out".
>Toriyama literally badmouthing/apologizing for Super
Holy shit. I thought Funimation straight-up ignoring Super was a bad enough slap in the face.
Did they ever explain why they bothered rehashing the plot of the movies, but fillered-out and with shittier animation? More importantly, has anyone heard anything about a third movie covering the Universe 6 arc?
But Aikatsu also airs during prime time? Precure has better animation than Aikatsu, if much more inconsistent, but Aikatsu has some of the best and closest-to-2D 3DCG in the industry.
Sunrise currently active projects list
Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans
Gundam The Origin
Gundam Build Fighters OVAs (rumoured)
Love Live Sunshine
Accel World Infinity Burst
Untitled Zegapain Project (rumoured)
Code Geass Akito The Exiled
Tribe Cool Crew
Kaiketsu Zorori: Heroes of Space
Magic Kyun Renaissance
Untitled Yamato 2199 TV Project
Total: 17 concurrent
Based on what we've seen that has animation or has a proper trailer all look above average to outstanding, no excused for Toei.
A-1 Pictures currently active projects:
Untitled SAO Movie Project
Total: 9 concurrent
A spinoff studio of Sunrise that employs a similar production system. Again most of these look at least functional to good that we've seen animation for though that might have something to do with sharing a lot of staff between Sunrise ala Bones.
Toei Animation currently active project lists:
Robot Girls Z Plus
Osamu Tezuka's Buddha
Sailor Moon Crystal
Total: 9 concurrent
Saint Seiya Gold just recently wrapped up. They had to delay the fuck out of Digimon Tri much to the dismay of Bamco, took almost a decade to get Expelled from Paradise out, Sailor Moon Crystal is bi-weekly and everything they do looks like shit.
Why does a company that has the workload of their next two biggest contemporaries and more or less aligned studios combined able to get shit out relatively on schedule Akito The Exiled not permitting and yet still have almost all of their stuff look more or less noticeably above the industry average? Does just nobody else besides maybe Kyoani know how to schedule properly?
Are you sure you don't have that backwards? A quick search for Aikatsu QUALITY turns up no real results while a quick search for Precure QUALITY turns up plenty of stinkers right away. Not saying Aikatsu is this amazing looking series, but in what universe does it look like shit compared to Precure of all things which is infamous for its valleys of animation quality.
Isn't Sunrise the biggest anime studio around though? And A-1 is the outsourcing master.
Also, replace Tri with file(N): project PQ and add the Miraculous Ladybug OVA and that 3D movie project they're working on. Tri is completely outsourced to a different studio.
Let's make exclude the series that arent 100 episodes above.
Sailor Moon Crystal
I recall some state-of-the-industry article from about half a year ago about that mentioned how Toei Animation meets a certain criterion where they can't reap the benefits of government-funded studio animator training programs and are expected to create similar programs of their own for new animators they take in.
They're reaching a point where they're no longer properly staffed for the work they intend to do.
It's speculated that a number of their recent projects were formulated in order to give more experience to those animators at a quicker pace than they've typically done while remaining cost-effective using the franchise name.
Precure still has the highest ratings of all little girl shows despite the failing Sunday morning SHT timeslot, somehow.
Fairy Tail is a co-production with Satelight.
And Crystal isn't 100+ episodes.
Are they at least fixing it on the BDs, or is it doomed to forever be shit? I wish Toei wasn't so incompetent. It'd be nice to see stuff like DBS and One Piece actually well animated and well-paced. Then again the blame probably falls more on people eating this shit up every week and telling them "we don't care if it's shit, give us more!"
actually its perfect animation of the comedic moment being presented. I believe its praiseworthy. the problem with super is that everything is so stiff. nothing is fluid at all which doesnt allow for moments like the one here
Toei has more employees but isn't subdivided, funded and vertically integrated top to bottom by a megacorporation like Sunrise and A-1. Also yes A-1 generally does a fair bit of outsourcing, often enough right back to Sunrise like with SAO, GATE, OreImo, Sora no Woto, Silver Spoon, Servant x Service and Fairy Tail. Really a good chunk of their catalogue even. Sunrise also doesn't even have as many active employees as Kyoani for example.
Also looking up the list of stuff outsourced to Sunrise in order to confirm some shit I found Prisma Ilya, Guilty Crown, Psycho Pass, Little Witch Academia, Steins;Gate, Yo-Kai Watch, Wandering Son, and Madoka Magica on the list. I don't know how to feel about that but it kind of explains a few things like why some scenes, looks, and instances in that show remind me so much of Sunrise smooth animation and shot framing. This has been enlightening since I had no idea they had a hand in so many hits that technically aren't even supposed to be there's on top of their own ones. Jesus Christ maybe they really are the most influential studio of all time then.
Toei knows how to do things though. They do good animation when the scene or episode needed it. So SoL crap has crappy animation while the fighting arc has average to great animation. It just so happens Dragon Ball Super is full on action show.
If there's an outcry, then they'll fix shit like DBS and SMC. Or for adult-oriented anime.
Otherwise, (I don't know about OP, but for Precure) they'll only correct animation and errors up until the episode airs. They don't go back to fix them afterwards as there's no incentive to when kids don't buy discs.
There isn't enough material for that. There are five arcs in the Sailor Moon manga and they've been pacing one arc per cour, so it would be 70 episodes at the very most.
I couldn't get the quality to go well when making this in order to meet the upload size limit but this shows that the show could look pretty slick without having the resort to 3D if it didn't have to be several hundred episodes.
Dragon Ball Super has bad characters, bad story, and bland fights. Why does it matter if it's well animated or not ? good animation won't suddenly make this anime worth watching.
You can firmly blame Oda and One Piece for the terrible quality.
Oda, who cares so little about how the One Piece anime is made as long as he gets his paychecks and the Japanese viewing public who stomached the shit pacing and horrible quality of the One Piece anime without complaint.
They set the standard for how Toei treats their series. I mean, if One Piece THAT LARGEST MOST POPULAR ANIME EVER is allowed to be treated like mass produced garbage, then why shouldn't Dragonball get the same treatment?
The quality for OP was acceptable for over a decade, I dare say animation holds up until as recently as the start of Punk Hazard when Film Z stole most of the budget. It's typical japanese mentality to not break this up this long relationship and start a shitstorm for the last 2 years of garbage.
I think a huge mistake they made was introducing the idea of a super saiyan god. once goku and vegeta achieve godhood, how are the other characters supposed to keep up? are they all supposed to become gods? SSG Gohan? SSG Gotenks? God Namek Piccolo?
What they should have done is have characters like Piccolo, Buu, and Gotenks continue to train and actually keep up with Goku and Vegeta, kind of like in the android saga when Piccolo became the strongest, then Vegeta and Trunks became the strongest until Goku and Gohan went into the time chamber
Considering the multiverse is canon now, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Crisis on Infinite Dragon Balls or something to reset the continuity.
>Why was this fight so short in the manga?
>Precure still has the highest ratings of all little girl shows despite the failing Sunday morning SHT timeslot, somehow
It seems little girls don't watch little girl shows anymore. That mean they watch Super and One Piece with their brothers or just play with their smartphones. I can't blame them though. Little girl shows stop being fun a long time ago.
Scheduling is always the reason of QUALITY, it's a fact confirmed by many industry insiders.
Also we know from reliable sources (which also happen to be industry insiders) that the production of Super is a complete mess.
Alright, Jurassic World and TFA are definitely cash grabs, but they aren't garbage. At the very least they make decent popcorn flicks. Dragon Ball Evolution is flat out one of the worst movies ever made.
You should have gotten out of this thread and saved some face, but no, you had to come back (hours later) and write the typical "B-but. Was fucking around you guys, it was bullshit I got you!"
No anon, you fucked up and you're the faggot of this thread. Simple as that.
>Camera panning every 5 minutes
>Long ass OP to cut down actual content time
>PREVIOUSLY FROM LAST EPISODE bullshit that takes up 5 minutes per episode
Yeah for the 10 or so minutes it had, it was breddy gud Dagumi. Too bad Filler G-8 still shits on it.
>They wouldn't give their japanese animators better work conditions
Toei has one of the better work conditions and pay in the industry. Their (Japanese) animators have a union. Their Filipino animators are treated like shit though.
Not him but that's cause he sold out harder than possibly anyone else in history. I don't think that takes away from what he did in the past though. He clearly knew more about choreography than all of Hollywood combined even today. I mean fuck people are still studying his shit today.
He was bought out by China by then, but hey having a reminder your government is also shady as fuck is better than nothing at all.
Then again if Snowden didn't get it done, I doubt anything else matters.
Quality was high at times though, on scenes that shouldn't need it.
I'm sure consistently decent quality could be achieved with the actual budget.
Pretty sure the director is just being retarded as hell.
This will get a mango and a contest where people send their own original fusions art, winners will be in the game.
Time to rev up all those crazy ass fusions people made up back in the day and called them ''rumors'' before the internet.
Just check the rest of the thread. The anime was announced out of nowhere and the director was busy up until Super. Some cuts animated by known talents look like absolute shit since they had no time to work on it.
With all of the modern technological advancement in animation, there's literally no excuse for Dragon Ball to be so poorly animated, especially considering the budget Toei probably has for the show. I mean the shit is laughably bad, reminiscent of the 80's when you could make a good excuse for shit animation (almost every goddamn anime TV show was poorly animated, some episodes of Nadia looked like a Scooby Doo episode).
It's probably just some horrible fucking talent, or lack there-of, in house.
only thing that could save dbz in moe era is to add more female fighters and female sayijans, no pantsu shots no sales, prove me wrong
at least even a card game advertisement have good animation in some episodes unlike dbs.
Holy shit, how fucking new are you
>Doesn't read filename
>is wrong about origin of clip
>we should trust his 'memory' on the quality
Seek professional help. Your retardation might not be curable at this advanced stage. At the least they can help you
DBZ is over the hill in so many ways than one, so they basically don't have to try, and ultimately, all the majority of fans care about is if Goku (and now Vegeta!) punch the guy in the face and have a fight. Nobody cares who has to be sacraficed to make this happen.
I mean, we've basically regressed Gohan into some weird adult/child hybrid of himself, were instead of treating him like an adult and a powerful character in his own right, we have to have him pining over his dad and Piccolo and being weak and pathetic.
The thing about Sailor Moon, is that you're not going to get away with it being shitty, because the original manga and anime had a style to it that other shows hadn't done at the time, and the fanbase hadn't constantly been fed with video games and other bullshit.
>now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime
>say that he'll work hard on designs and story so the anime staff can give their best
>draws crap looking designs and write more asinine tournaments
The staff isn't going to get any motivation that way, Toriyama sensei.
>In order to make it like Z again, they almost have to start over again from the beginning. Maybe tell the story of a future generation or something,
Even at the height of DBZ, people couldn't STAND the idea of giving the series to Gohan, Goten and Trunks.
If they won't let Goku's goddamn kids do anything, why would any new characters get to? This series is hosed on that regard.
>dragon ball becomes decently animated now
>one piece and co become literal slide shows
This, One Piece is catching up to the manga and will most likely enter a huge filler arc. Toei own Precure so they can do as many seasons as they want where as with Dragon Ball they may not get this chance again. Also no one cares about the World trigger anime not even the manga readers.
One Piece anime was good before the filler arcs were cut. That put it at 10 minutes of content per week. Then the animation was cut. Then the overly long opening and plot exposition were cut and we were left with 18 minutes of non-animated shit.
That's where I finally stopped watching it.
Cell is an artificial life form made by Dr Gero's computer. He spent about 20 years incubating under Gero's lab, being given information by the computer. When he finished growing, he looked for the androids, but couldn't find them because Trunks destroyed them. He tracked down Trunks and discovered that he had a time machine. He then killed Trunks and used the Time machine to go back 21 years so that he could absorb the androids. The time machine was too small for him though, so he had to turn himself into an egg to fit. One he arrived, he hatched from the egg as a giant cicada thing, burrowed under ground then slept for 3 years. Finally, he emerged, molted, then started absorbing people to gain strength.
Read the manga.
He sold out to the government. His chinese facebook page has so much blatantly paid off propaganda it's ridiculous. And the worst thing is even the dimmest of the dumb can see it because so much of it is lies.
>Fans are overblowing this.
Somewhat, but the fact that he's even making reference to the problems with the animation does say a lot
>Though I like some of the details Super added to the retellings.
Me too, to me, that one episode about Vegeta spending some time with Bulma and Trunks, ans basically all the scenes involving Gohan and Videl, like discussing about Pan's future, Gohan getting rekt and hammering down the fact that if he doesn't keep up with training, he can't protect shit.
Do we even know what scenes were added in the extended version of RoF BD's? The most we could see from Gohan's reaction to the planet being destroyed was his back being silent.
Also, I still don't get why Toei cut off the Trunks x Mai from the retellings. Is not like she's biologically 41 anymore and they are still being shown in the manga.
I didn't watch neitheir of them. My main problem with DBE were the actors. Goku looked like a teen taken from a Disney movie, Chi Chi was hot but horrible, the Chi Chi I imagine is a cute asian girl, Yamcha is supposed to be good looking, a goof but good looking, the actor looked like a cheap porn star. And Bulma is supposed to be a cute, lewd western girl not a Lara Croft. Grandpa Gohan and Master Roshi were the only good ones.
>Also, I still don't get why Toei cut off the Trunks x Mai from the retellings.
Probably because it was something Toei added to the films that Toriyama personally didn't care for (romance). So when Super started production it's one of the things he asked them to skip.
Personally, I don't mind it either way, but I can understand the thinking on removing it.
I'm more annoyed by the utter lack of Goten and Trunks really getting to do anything in Super, even ignoring the added scenes to the RoF arc.
Other than Goten and Trunks idolizing their dads, it's weird that Toei and Toriyama couldn't even be arsed to give them more small scenes, like in the beginning where they went to get Videl a wedding present.
We don't know for sure why Toriyama changed the ending. Gohan was supposed to take the tourch from Goku, Trunks and Goten were only there to give Gohan more time. But in the end all of them became one of the most popular characters. Nowdays Vegeta is the most popular, unlike back there. If today Toriyama passed the tourch to Gohan, Goten and Trunks in the end of the series I am sure the japaneses would like it. Goku at this point is only third to Beerus and Whis, now his punches can destroy the universe, just make him the most powerful and let him go to his space adventures with his best buddy while his family protect the Earth, Gohan now has his heart in the right place, be a family man while training to protect said family. Just work more on Trunks and Goten, to this day the kids admire their daddies and love fighting.
In Dragon Ball, Goku surpassed God less than a third of the way through. You don't have to start over to continue Dragon Ball, you just have to have enough talent to write around increasingly overpowered protagonists.
Dragonball 30th anniversary special manga
Toriyama: Hey, I heard it's the 30th anniversary of Dragonball. Amazing, isn't it?
Goku: ...but meh, it's not like it was running for 30 years straight though.
Toriyama: Don't say unnecessary things!
Toriyama: I made you guys famous. Be more grateful!
Vegeta: Pff, you should be grateful to us.
Vegeta: Dragonball was only able to survive this long thanks to us.
Toriyama: ......how conceited......!
Toriyama: You were supposed to get killed by Goku,
Toriyama: but I saved you from death!
Vegeta: Interesting... I heard it was because I got so surprisingly popular
Vegeta: that you were too scared of the readers' reaction to kill me off...
Toriyama: ...well, yeah,
Toriyama: how should I have known that someone with a hairdo like you
Toriyama: would get so popular?
Freeza: ...I see. Then you came up with me
Freeza: to kill me off in his place...
Toriyama: Oh, come on, thanks to that, you became the best villain character ever!
Toriyama: That's why I even revived you for the new anime movie!
Frieza: I heard you'd forgotten how to draw me though.
Toriyama: 30th anniversary
fresh from the manure fields
What is this zoomed-in, cropped, DNR'd monstrosity you posted?
>Thoughts? Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?
No. Toei does not care. They will continue making shitty QUALITY shows incessantly, with a Kyousogiga every five years or so, and there is nothing Toriyama or any other creator can do about it.
I was twelve and had never seen Dragonball before, and I still knew that
The worst part is Toriyama tried to get them to make changes after reading the script, but the studio decided not to listen to him.
Thankfully, Toei didn't make the same mistake with BoG.
Bu is out because he is retarded, universe 6 sayans are from planet Salad and are actually peaceful, Goku toys around with Winnie the Pooh and the chapter ends as its about to reveal his true power.
Here, it's been posted in another thread.
Also, when are we ever getting animation like this again? This shit was done in 1996, man. 1996.
The studio went full retarded with Evolution. They even alienated Stephen Chow, he stepped down from his position as producer because 20th Century Fox refused all his ideas. Yeah, the guy who made the closest thing to a DBZ live action was throw away by Fox
Just a thought.
Now, I'm probably going to get eaten alive for this... BUT
What if they'd done Super in CGI animation? Let's be honest, CG is cheaper in most case, and, if done successfully, it can look pretty good:
I'm not saying full blown Dreamworks, but if it were done in a style that mimics the 2D anime as much as possible, it could look... decent. And let's be honest, the reason why we're getting so many awful shots in Super is because the team have to draw in such a specific style under extreme time pressure. If it were CGI, it would just be a matter of programming.
Of course, it's too late now, but still, I honestly would have prefered a CGI show to this god awful mess.