Akira Toriyama publically addresses Super's poor animation

>>136346867
>I got angry about the live action movie
Come on Toriyama, it wasn't that bad.

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>>136346867
>live action movie

Never forget.

>>I got angry about the live action movie
I believe that not even Dragonball fans thought the movie was shit

>>136346956
Live action DBE or The Last Airbender, which one was more bearable?

>>136346867
>live action movie

Which one?

>>136346867
Based Toriyama. Fuck Toei.

>>136346867
I don't think Toei is capable of caring.

Lovely. But he really does need to just leave it the fuck alone.

＞自分の中では過去のものになったドラゴンボールも、その後の実写版の映画に腹を立てたり、
＞アニメ映画の脚本を書き直したり、テレビアニメの出来に文句を言ったりするところをみると、
＞いつのまにか放っておけないほど好きな作品になっているのかもしれませんね。
>最後に、そんなドラゴンボールを好きでいてくれるファンのみなさん、本当にありがとうございます！！大感謝！！であります。
Hmm

>>136346992
I'd say TLAB, at least it tried to stay true to the story. But that doesn't make it less shit

i can save it, he's dragonball and he catches ghosts

>>136346867
Toei will shove some wads of money in his throat and Toriyama will keep quiet.

>>136346867
Good man, Toriyama. Fight the power.

>>136346992

Dragon Ball Evolution by a long shot.

>Directed by some nobody with a degree in film production
>So unfaithful to the source material it's practically a different franchise
>Can easily be ignored

The Last Airbender was heavily advertised, directed by M. Night Shamalan, and it's overall a much longer and more tedious film. You can't ignore it or forget about it.

Toei once again proving they are one of the worst

>>136346992
People had no expectations for Dragon Ball, the Airbender fags I worked with at the time were all sorts of hyped and were fucking pissed the next day.

>>136346992
Most people have already forgotten there was an American live action film adaption of Dragon Ball. While M. Night still wants to create a sequel to TLA despite it being released in 2010.

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All these fags falling in a trap.Learn japanese

>>136347143
DBE also had Chow Yun-Fat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na1lyN-8Q1M

Huh. I didn't see until now, but the animation in the Blu Rays is actually pretty okay. It's at the same level as Z, if not slightly better at some parts.

Of course, this is just one scene, so who knows what the rest of season 1 looks like, but it's better than Toei leaving the broadcast versions unedited for the DVDs.

>>136347392
That's what it says though.

>>136347392
It's true though

I wish Oda would fucking complain too

But he doesnt care, he just wants money.

>>136347529
You think Oda has the time to watch the One Piece anime?

>>136347554
No but he wants his daughters to and they wont

Maybe he should have a look and see why

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>>136346867
>publically

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THIS IS NOW A QUALITY THREAD

POST YOUR BEST QUALITY'S

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>>136346867
Hope we get animation on par with this in the U6 arc.

>>136346867
It only says "the TV anime" not "the NEW TV anime"

>>136348237

It doesn't.

Well, not from what we've seen anyway. The preview for the first U6 arc episode looked pretty bad, and if they always choose the best scenes for the previews, I dont want to know what kind of anus display we'll get.

>>136347067
Yeah, I had the same reaction when I read it.

>>136348237
New Precure season is starting soon so don't expect too much.

>>136348408
Not to mention that we know from an animator working on Super that the scheduling is fucked up and beyond help.

Why is the animation quality so bad? the DBZ name alone is enough to draw a lot of viewers and long term fans, so why cut the corners and churn out some horrible low budget garbage anime? Is it just to save a few bucks? Are japanese people that jewish?

>>136348553
Are you new to Toei?

>>136348553
>the DBZ name alone is enough

Maybe in the west.

>>136346943
> it wasn't that bad.
this is what happen when you were born after 1996, /a/.

>>136348630
I wasn't born after 1996 but I can see the post anyway.
Can you explain that, genius?

Should have went the Gundam Origin or Unicorn route and release higher budget OVAs.

Most of the old Dragonball fans are old and you can't get away with that low quality shit.

>>136348553
Toei is doing way too much shows so their shows' schedule is always fucked up to the point they have to out-source key animation and tweens.
IIRC, Digimon Tri's animation has been totally out-sourced because they couldn't manage to animate it.

>>136348553
its no different from any anime in the last 10 years that exceeds 2 cour. at that high of episode count, you simply cannot make every one of them look up to standard.
people think its some extreme outlier of shit quality. these people must clearly watch very few anime at all, maybe none whatsoever since the last time dragonball was on TV. it would not surprise me. this is a normal level of quality in modern anime.

>最後に、そんなドラゴンボールを好きでいてくれるファンのみなさん、本当にありがとうございます！！大感謝！！であります。
Oh look, Toriyama thanking all the nostalgiafags for still liking this shit.

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I think we can all agree that Toei should have just continued producing big budget theatrical films every year alongside the manga, instead of churning out this pit stain of an anime that's literally kicking the brand name in the balls.

>>136348909
You don't understand their business model.
Daytime TV shows don't need to sell well. Theatrical films do.

>>136348968

But this is Dragon Ball. It's hugely popular in Japan, and with Dragon Ball Heroes as big as it is, it would be easy to market the movies via new characters, features etc.

Resurrection F alone made 62 million, when the budget was just 5 million.

>>136349094
>But this is Dragon Ball. It's hugely popular in Japan,
Exactly. And for as long as enough kids are watching the show, they're getting mad money from the channel. They also get to sell merchandise.

>>136346867
You mean, we have Hollywood/Evolution to thank for a continuation of DB?

Praise base god

>>136348553
Me filipino working toei. Fcuk you i work hard but pay less money no money no work but i do and you angry! Fuck you!

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>>136346867
Dragonball Super would get rid of the CGDCT and loli menace they said.

Dragonball Super would save anime and pave the way for the glorious age of MANime they said.

Dragonball Super would be the anime of the decade they said.

Turned out to be shit instead and now we get Word of God to lay the final nail on anyone who defends this piece of shit.

Blown the fuck out. Eat shit, DB fanboys, and drown in Toei's feces along with your shit outdated franchise while your god Toriyama laughs all the way to the bank with your stupidity in lucrative crystallized form.

fucking amazing

he is publicly shaming toei

>>136349331

I don't think there's a single Dragon Ball fan that actually likes this show. Not since episode 5 and Gohan's character treatment.

>>136346943
it was the worst movie ever made

>>136349427
Stop projecting faggot.

>>136349485

replied to the wrong reply m8

>>136349427
LOL!

Trust me, there are people defending and justifying Toei's mess.
Some of then say that it'll look good on BD (when the reality is it still looks like crap) while other says that it looks good majority of the time and that people should stop complaining.

They're in denial anon.

>>136349538
I don't think anon replied to the wrong post.
>>136349427 made a rather silly statement.

>>136346867
More proof that Toriyama just want them to stop raping his creation. People say he lost his mind but he only gets involved to try fix their mistakes.

He wanted out of it long time ago, but they can't stop milking it and without him at the helm it goes to shit every fucking time. Super is just the new GT.

>>136348237
for a movie, that's not impressive

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>>136349563
>LOL!

>>136348553
because toei

one piece has looked like shit for years, despite being the number anime in japan for 15 years now

>>136349607

>for a movie
>filename clearly says its from Super

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>>136349607
Good thing it's not a movie then. Try reading the file name next time.

>>136349607
That's not from the movie.Learn to read file names.

>>136348777
>this is a normal level of quality in modern anime.
wrong

toei is the worse

watch any kid shows from pierrot, A-1, sunrise or OLM

the quality is way above toei's

>>136349713
>>136349695
>>136349694
doesn't matter, I remember the movie looking bad too

>>136349824
>doesn't matter,
It does, it proves you're a retard.

>>136346943
Its awful. I'm convonced hollywood couldn't adapt even a ten minute short with out fucking it up.

>>136348553
The scheduling is pretty bad. Outsourcing and director can't check everything.

>>136349875
no it doesn't

it looked like the movie I watched years ago

that means I remember the movie being ugly

He never complained about GT.

GT >>>>>>>> Super.

>>136346867
So super is not canon any more for him?

>>136348777
>this is a normal level of quality in modern anime.
No it fucking isn't. Even the Pokemon anime looks like a high budget movie compared to Toei's cheap shit.

>>136350047
He won't say something like that. Too controversial, may some years down the road. At the moment he is just taking jabs at the poor production levels.

But you can infer from this that he didn't come to Toei with any new ideas, they came to him with their shit fanfic and it was apparently so bad he felt the need to step in an rewrite it from scratch. That's how Battle of Gods came to be. Doubt he is involved to that extent on everything that came from it, specially the show. So he decided to express disapproval publicly in hopes fans take it from there and Toei gets shamed into doing a half decent job for a change.

>>136350273
Where that comes from? Who is the source?

>>136347344
It's like the Super Mario film. You won't remember until That Guy mentions it.

>>136350374
There was a time when I sought out that kind of movie on purpose.

>>136349388
He is old and one of the most recognized person in the industry. He can do whatever he wants, only politeness can stop him.

>>136350313
From a fansubber who's an industry insider and employee of Sunrise, not going to spoonfeed anymore though.

>>136350437
Wow

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>>136350437
>fansubber who's an industry insider and employee of Sunrise

>>136350917
It's true though.

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>>136348553
Because people will watch it anyway.

On the plus side, it makes me appreciate the old animation a lot more.

>>136350274
Apparently the episode has Bulma reference some of the Freeza arc filler that Ginyu takes over her body make me believe that it's Toei's scrips and it is an continuation of the anime not the manga.

>>136351312
This just makes me upset

>>136351312
Why was this fight so short in the manga?

>>136351354
Why?

>>136351423
Super will never look that good

>>136351312
Something out of 1995 looking better than anything done in super

>>136351548
Cell animation is basically time-less.
Anime got prettier as time went on, but that's because Japan had to learn how to do anime on minimum budgets which did require some additional fine-tuning.

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>>136351312
The episode after this one didn't look nearly as good, though. Better than most of DBS but still not great; let's not fool ourselves into thinking that DBZ looked great all the time.

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>>136351472
>>136351548

>>136348237

>>136351698
It looks average, nothing praiseworthy here.

>>136350047
There is no such thing as a canon Dragon Ball anime

>>136351625
The thing is, it still didn't fall down to the level of Super, and especially didn't do so every single fucking episode.

Also the choreography was a million times better.

Toriyama of all people should know what to expect from Toei.

>>136351775
At least they bothered to keep the still shots on-model which makes it better than a huge part of DBS.

>>136347067
>>136348363
What does the greentext say?

>>136351625
Well, varying animation quality in TV anime was the norm back in the early 90s. Super, on the other hand is coming out in 2015-16 were having consistent above average animation is to be expected.

Dragonball evolution is the a movie that would have improved if I myself wrote and directed it. I could do way better. it wouldn't have been a terribly good movie, but it would have been Dragonball.

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I don't care what people say.

This scene was extremely comfy.

>>136346867
>Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?
Never.

>>136346943
I'm starting to understand why recent garbage like Jurassic World or TFA got such high ratings.

>>136346867

Straight from the man himself.
You fags cant deny it now. DBS has shit animation.

It's like he's trying to escape Dragonball but cant because everyone else does it wrong.

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>>136352072

Wait a minute...

Does Videl have the same voice actress as Cosmo?

>>136352072
Super should have been all slice of life, no fightan

>>136352149

...SUDDENLY, EVERYTHING NOW MAKES SENSE

>>136346943

It was fundamentally bad, anon.
All the characters were cast incorrectly.
The story was shit all over in favor of being a shit Karate Kid ripoff.
The CGI and props were lazily done.
The makeup on the characters was even lazier.

Has Toei ever made something that's (animation and visual quality-wise) on par with big guys like GAINAX, Madhouse or Production IG?

>>136352231
Toei was THE animation studio back in the 60s.

>>136351625
there were 3 teams on the original dbz

the A-team, the b-team, and the reject team

Super is all reject team, all the time

>>136352145
>It's like he's trying to escape Dragonball but cant because everyone else does it wrong.
It's because deep down, he does care about his work. If he didn't and was only in it for the money, he just stay silent and let them do whatever they want.

>>136352231
dbz

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>this thread

Should this be stickied?
Is this old news?

>>136352319
If you stickied every thread on /a/ until there was no spot left for new threads, would the limit just be broken or would threads immediately 404 upon being made?

>>136352231
None of those studios ever did a really long running series. To say something, One Piece has like 700 episodes.

Everything Toei does is at least 50 episodes.

>>136352231
mononoke

Kyousougiga

>>136352231
Kyousougiga, Mononoke, The three Sailor Moon movies, Some of the Dragonball Z movies like the History of Trunks. the World's Strongest and Fusion Reborn.

>>136350917
He's been translating anime since before you were born.

>>136352373
>Everything Toei does is at least 50 episodes.
wrong, see>>136352421

>>136352373
Madhouse did do Hunter x Hunter, which does have pretty consistent animation quality

>>136352364
>If you stickied every thread on /a/ until there was no spot left for new threads
Why would you even need to do that?

>>136347393
are hong kong films outside Jackie Chan and maybe Stephen Chow even relevant outside of asia?

>>136352364
[s4s] broke the counter to 22 when a sticky got like 25k replies. I don't know what happens if every thread get stickied tho.

>>136352373
Sunrise does Gintama which is now over 300 episodes.

Seeing as how awful toei was the the new sailor moon its not really surprising they'd fuck up Dragon ball super just as bad.

>>136352452
And that looks good. Still it's rare.

>>136352475
They literally copypasted manga panels.

>>136352493
For science.

>>136346867
>Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?

I doubt they could even if they wanted to. Their competent or otherwise talented animation staff is presumably spread too thin across their ongoing yearly productions.
And a lot of the time it appears that the new blood they brought in were either bottom-of-the-barrel scrapings from the rest of the industry or are just too green to bear fruit.

They are quite literally not the studio they used to be. The old are getting to old while the young are too young.

>>136352552
>They literally copypasted manga panels.
that's what the dbz anime did

that's a good thing

>>136346867
>I got angry about the live action movie
Now he knows how it feels when a simple concept you enjoyed gets horrendously butchered by convoluted nonsense.

>>136352552
>They literally copypasted manga panels.

That's what every studio which wants to remain faithful should do.

>>136346867
>Could this embarrass Toei enough to push for a higher quality?

Does it really matter? It's not like the only problem with super is animation quality, writing and character design is pretty shit too.

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>>136346867

>>136352319
Someone should also tell ANN so that anime fans everywhere will know.

>>136352886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f9HkfROhNA

>>136349456
I wouldn't call it the worst.

>>136346867
I knew I could still count on you, Toriyama.

Fuck Toei.

>>136352551
The BDs for Crystal actually look quite good though.

Writing aside, the problem with Toei is that they can't handle their own production scheduling as well as they once could anymore.

>>136349331
>get rid of the CGDCT
Anon, the people that watched DB 25 years ago is the people watching CGDCT now. You move from what you watch when you age, CGDCT being one of the last stages.

>>136352072
First time that Super gave me some feels.

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>>136351312
I miss good DBZ animation

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>>136352886

Ah, these were the days. Back when Dragon Ball Z was Toei's top priority anime, and they put all their money and effort into making the show as enjoyable as possible, knowing they would make it all back ten fold thanks to the huge fan following and merchandise.

Now look what it's become. Besides the new movies, the franchise is a poor display. Why can't Toei just do another Z and make a hugely successful and memorable series? If Z made money because of how good it was, why can't they just make Super good?

>>136352633
I hope mangaka's avoid them like the plague

that World Trigger show could have been a big hit, but the quality killed it. I wouldn't want that to happen to my creations

>>136346867
>I got angry about the live action movie
I never heard about this, that's funny.

>>136351976
>Even Dragon Ball in his that became a thing of the past , or angry for subsequent live-action version of the movie ,

>You can rewrite the screenplay of the animated film , looking at the place where it or complain to the can of TV animation ,

>Finally , the fans who will stomach like such a Dragon Ball , Thank you very much ! ! A big thank ! ! You are .

>>136348909
>3d usage in anime movie
>big budget

>>136351976
he thanks the fans who are stomaching the show.

>>136353704
>>136353725
Thanks.

>>136348553
Right above your post, anon.

There's the answer, but I'd like source on what >>136348534 said

>>136348796
Have you SEEN the QUALITY in Dragon Ball Super?

I'd be going to church to thank God every day if I was still able to make money off of something that was so poorly handled.

>>136349388
Not really. He says he has some gripes, but he is not outright bashing them. Not different from any other anime adaptation. Fans are overblowing this.

Answer this toriyama,
where the hell did cell come from? how did he know how and when to go to the past to find the androids?

>>136346867

In the end, the only good thing about Dragon Ball Evolution is that it motivated Akira to make a new Dragon Ball story.
We should be grateful it existed.

>>136346992
>Live action DBE or The Last Airbender, which one was more bearable?

DBE gave us back Toriyama and was done by a nobody who did almost zero damage to the franchise. The Last Airbender movie was followed by a certain shitty sequel series I don't mention and it appears Mr. Twistmaster wants a new live action movie.

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>>136353185
they can hangle it just fine

they need to just stop taking on projects

how many shows are they doing now?

dbz
one piece
precure
world trigger
young kindachi

what else?

>>136351978
>Super, on the other hand is coming out in 2015-16 were having consistent above average animation is to be expected.
According to who? Also, how can you expect above average animation from everything?

>>136346867
DBS lost to OPM, so he has every right to be salty.

>>136354212

>lost to OPM
>implying they clash in any way

>>136354280
one punch man the a better dragonball show than dbs

>>136354212
>>136354319
(You)

>>136354188
But all of them are making so much money.

They're like Disney during that time when it was making cheap and crappy sequels.

>>136348553
Toei is just really shitty, but they've been blatantly shitty for a while now which caused them to lose One Piece and getting shit on for Super.

>>136354128
はい、はじめまして鳥山明です。ご質問の件についてご回答させていただきますね。
死ね、アホ、ボケ。
それではそんなクソなドラゴンボールを好きでいてくれるファンを続けて下さい！！

I think the biggest issue that western fans don't understand is that Dragon Ball Z had crap animation back in the 90s that was also fixed for the VHS release.

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>>136347392
> All these fags falling in a trap.Learn japanese
Follow your own advice, shithead.

>Super announced
>Toriyama supposedly helping with the script
>first 30 episodes are just recaps of the movies

>>136346867
HUH wans't Toriyama the one who order the animation to be shit? Now i kind of respect the guy

>>136353624
It's either Toei, get absurdly lucky with a studio that's willing to do a long running anime because ???, or deal with 13-26 episodes and then probably nothing ever again, ever.

>>136348553
Because Toei produce anime in bulk. They make so much anime that they have to outsource most of the animation work to Korea because their animators are already overworked.

Toei currently creates like 6 ongoing anime series at the same time. There just aren't enough animators to handle all that work.

>>136355071
>Korea

>>136346867

Nice to see a creator speak out for his property against a big corporation doing a shitty job on it. Toei really needs to be called out more often, for how big, storied and reach they are they're disgustingly cheap on a regular basis even by long running series standards. I mean fuck Hunter x Hunter ran almost 200 episodes too and you never saw it's production values just absolutely crater like a Precure, One Piece, DBZ and what not. Sunrise for example is able to run several hundred episode long Shonen/Shoujou series as well like Gintama, Keroro and Aikatsu without constant noticeable and embarrassing drops in quality. It literally just seems to be Toei that has this problem to this degree.

>>136348553

They have Bandai kicking in tons of money and trying to help review it too as part of the production committee so it's not an issue of funding either. There's really no excuse other than lazy shitty animators and outsourcing.

>>136355108
Like I care about the specifics. Point is they're a studio that makes more anime than they can handle making. Which is why the vast majority of it ends up looking like shit.

Honestly the anime industry as a whole is dangerously over-saturated right now and the quality of the works produced reflects it.

>>136355258
Toei are the only studio who try to make more anime simultaneously than they can realistically handle. It's not about one series being long, it's about making several series at the same time.

>>136346867
That's not surprising, the man was not even satisfied with what was coming directly from him! (remember how he liked only one drawing of his in the first Art Collection, claiming the rest were failures compared to what he actually had in mind?).

So don't expect him to easily accept even things that are perfectly fine, he's an extreme, ever-unsatisfied perfectionist that can't refrain to come back to his work, that's what he's saying.
He's certainly not saying that Super is bad, he's taking the blame on him.
He complained about the anime back in Z, he'll complain in Super too. Except Super is good enough for him to actually keep an eye on it, when he didn't watch Z at all if I'm not mistaken, even when his kids were. But then again, my memory may be playing tricks on me.

In other words, Toriyama doesn't say Super is bad, Toriyama says he's just annoying and never satisfied, which keeps him coming back to it. And that's good for us. :)
His sentence is to be interpreted as "I've been like this for a long time, and even now, I nitpick about the new anime when I really shouldn't". Which is why it's being published in the first place, it is not a criticism on anything but himself.

My dream is that Toriyama will get so angry he will show toei how to do it and start drawing dbs in jump weekly, no offence to toyble but he ain't as good.

Will never happen.

>>136355346
Nice kanzenshuu copy and paste.

>>136348707

Toei is several degrees off from having the caliber of animators Sunrise studio 1 has even at the OVA or movie tier level of animating and their best work like One Piece Strong World. It'd never end up looking like Unicorn, Origin or Thunderbolt.

>>136348754

They need to consider sub-dividing their teams like Sunrise does which generally allows them to keep schedule even when they're handling like a dozen things at once. There are of course incidents like Code Geass though.

>>136349094

Resurrection F was actually a pretty good and competently made film though

>>136355346
>Except Super is good enough for him to actually keep an eye on it
It is actually so bad he has to keep an eye on it. With DBZ he knew they were basing it on his work, with Super it's just Toei interns brainstorming, he can't let them kill his lifework years later.

>>136347682
Isn't that because his daughters watch Precure?

>>136349331

Sales

As of March 17, 2015, 1.5 million copies of Dragon Ball Xenoverse have been shipped worldwide.[53] The game was the second best-selling for PlayStation 4 on PlayStation Store for the month of February 2015, behind Dying Light.[54] In April 2015, Bandai Namco Entertainment announced that more than 2.5 million copies had been sold.

2,500,000 * $50.00=$125,000,000

What the Christ?

>>136355346
Don't use emoticons on /a/.

>>136348968
It can't be helped in this case since a TV anime is better advertising. Toei's profits soared after Super started airing.

Toei should just go with 3D animation. Theyre really good at it for some reason compared to Bones, Sunrise and Kyoani.
Those precure eds are bretty good.

>>136349791

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/17063/aikatsu-animated-background_animation-takeshi_mori

This is from a show that's already past it's 150th episode

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/19597/animated-artist_unknown-effects-fighting-gintama-s

this is from a show that passed the 300 mark about a month ago

Dragon Ball Super hasn't even hit it's 30th episode after over 2 decades of lay off from the franchise.

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>>136353185
>The BDs for Crystal actually look quite good though.

>>136352149

Yuko Minaguchi, she's also the voice of Hotaru in Sailor Moon, another failed Toei reboot that's so bad Premium Bandai seems to have stopped pushing the merchandise for it in favor of the original series aesthetic and has possibly withdrawn funding for it as well.

>>136352538

In terms of series length to overall average quality ratio I don't think anyone really tops Sunrise though Madhouse did extremely well with Hunter x Hunter 2011.

>>136349791
Nah. Toei's just don't give a fuck. After all, they think anime is for kids. Period.
If they do anime aimed for adults, they make the animation good.

It's not like Precure is consistently good looking. Certain seasons look good, but it's overall as cheap and ugly as your average Toei anime. People just think everything looks like Heartcatch/Smile/GoPri.

>>136352231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IN9WqgqqE4
The art direction is quite nice here.

You need to watch their original shows, like Kyousougiga.

>>136353599

One of the things that people liked about Z was watching the characters progress in strength. Now that the main characters all have essentially incomprehensible levels of strength, you can't portray that as clearly.

In order to make it like Z again, they almost have to start over again from the beginning. Maybe tell the story of a future generation or something, Don't give anyone a Super Sayian transformation until well into the new series, so that way it will mean something again.

They also have to axe the formula that they've gotten into.


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Another thing that they have to do is to get off their repetitive formula for a bit.

Lately all DB has been is There's a new villain who's stronger than the last one, and Goku has to beat him. Dragonball has always been like this, but they also had other important stuff going on such as Gohan and Krillian going around Namek collecting Dragon Balls, while at the same time avoiding enemies who were a lot stronger than them.

But lately, they haven't gone off formula very much. It's just been Strong Guy shows Up, Goku has to beat him, repeat.

>>136352538
It airs on a primetime slot. You don't air shit in golden time. Why can't people understand this? Compare Aikatsu that looks shit compared to precure, uses crappy 3D2D shit and even looks like precure.

>>136356002
They simply don't have enough 3D animators at the moment to work on anything more than a movie. The second GoPri ED + the second part of the GoPri movie were animated by the same team, and according to the director, they had 20 people, including those who "helped out".

>>136355757
That's almost 10 years ago.

>Toriyama literally badmouthing/apologizing for Super

Holy shit. I thought Funimation straight-up ignoring Super was a bad enough slap in the face.

Did they ever explain why they bothered rehashing the plot of the movies, but fillered-out and with shittier animation? More importantly, has anyone heard anything about a third movie covering the Universe 6 arc?

>>136356602
But Aikatsu also airs during prime time? Precure has better animation than Aikatsu, if much more inconsistent, but Aikatsu has some of the best and closest-to-2D 3DCG in the industry.

>>136348553
It's a long running show. In most cases it's quantity over quality with those.

>>136356743
http://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/files/IR/28_2Q/201603_2Q_keisu.pdf
It was a smart business decision to the execs.

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>>136354188

Sunrise currently active projects list

Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans
Gundam The Origin
Gundam Thunderbolt
Gundam Build Fighters OVAs (rumoured)
Love Live Sunshine
Accel World Infinity Burst
Gintama Degree
Untitled Zegapain Project (rumoured)
Classicaloid
Mirai Arise
Aikatsu
Brave Beets
Code Geass Akito The Exiled
Tribe Cool Crew
Kaiketsu Zorori: Heroes of Space
Magic Kyun Renaissance
Untitled Yamato 2199 TV Project

Total: 17 concurrent

Based on what we've seen that has animation or has a proper trailer all look above average to outstanding, no excused for Toei.

A-1 Pictures currently active projects:

Fairy Tail
Doukyusei
Erased
Grimgal
GATE
Asterisk
Qualidea Code
Ace Attorney
Untitled SAO Movie Project

Total: 9 concurrent

A spinoff studio of Sunrise that employs a similar production system. Again most of these look at least functional to good that we've seen animation for though that might have something to do with sharing a lot of staff between Sunrise ala Bones.

Toei Animation currently active project lists:

Digimon Tri
Precure
DBZ Super
One Piece
World Trigger
Robot Girls Z Plus
Osamu Tezuka's Buddha
Sailor Moon Crystal
Kindaichi R

Total: 9 concurrent

Saint Seiya Gold just recently wrapped up. They had to delay the fuck out of Digimon Tri much to the dismay of Bamco, took almost a decade to get Expelled from Paradise out, Sailor Moon Crystal is bi-weekly and everything they do looks like shit.

Why does a company that has the workload of their next two biggest contemporaries and more or less aligned studios combined able to get shit out relatively on schedule Akito The Exiled not permitting and yet still have almost all of their stuff look more or less noticeably above the industry average? Does just nobody else besides maybe Kyoani know how to schedule properly?

>>136356822
That shit airs on primetime? Wow.

>>136346867
Sweet, then can we get a weekly Dragon Ball Super manga with Toriyama doing the story and Toyble the art?

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>>136356602

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? A quick search for Aikatsu QUALITY turns up no real results while a quick search for Precure QUALITY turns up plenty of stinkers right away. Not saying Aikatsu is this amazing looking series, but in what universe does it look like shit compared to Precure of all things which is infamous for its valleys of animation quality.

>it's better than DBGT they said

>>136357336
Still true.

>>136357336
That's not a very hard thing to accomplish.

>>136357162
Isn't Sunrise the biggest anime studio around though? And A-1 is the outsourcing master.

Also, replace Tri with file(N): project PQ and add the Miraculous Ladybug OVA and that 3D movie project they're working on. Tri is completely outsourced to a different studio.

>>136357300
It's more that Precure has higher highs and lower lows than Aikatsu. Though it just sounds like >>136356602 doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>136357162
Let's make exclude the series that arent 100 episodes above.

Sunrise:

Gintama
Aikatsu

A-1:

Fairy Tail

Toei:

Precure
DBZ Super
One Piece
World Trigger
Sailor Moon Crystal
Kindaichi (assuming)

>>136356743
I recall some state-of-the-industry article from about half a year ago about that mentioned how Toei Animation meets a certain criterion where they can't reap the benefits of government-funded studio animator training programs and are expected to create similar programs of their own for new animators they take in.
They're reaching a point where they're no longer properly staffed for the work they intend to do.

It's speculated that a number of their recent projects were formulated in order to give more experience to those animators at a quicker pace than they've typically done while remaining cost-effective using the franchise name.

>>136357300
Thats because they like to bash toei. "Since its been done by toei, there must be full of QUALITY scenes!". There's too much prejudice on sunrise.

>>136357209
Precure still has the highest ratings of all little girl shows despite the failing Sunday morning SHT timeslot, somehow.

>>136357506
Fairy Tail is a co-production with Satelight.

And Crystal isn't 100+ episodes.

Is Queen Bee the Toei of hentai?

>Highest quality animation from Dragon Ball Super was the Earth exploding

There's a hidden message in this fact.

>>136357650
I've never heard about this before. Does that have something to do with their studio being the only one with an animators' union?

Aikatsu has good to bad animation tops. I hate it when they go 3D when they start singing and dancing though. That's just being lazy.

Are they at least fixing it on the BDs, or is it doomed to forever be shit? I wish Toei wasn't so incompetent. It'd be nice to see stuff like DBS and One Piece actually well animated and well-paced. Then again the blame probably falls more on people eating this shit up every week and telling them "we don't care if it's shit, give us more!"

>>136357670
Well assuming they adapt all the sailor moon volumes, they'd go for a 100.

>>136350015
thats cause GT was not his story

this is his story they are ruining.

>>136357765
Aikatsu is Sunrise.

>>136351775
actually its perfect animation of the comedic moment being presented. I believe its praiseworthy. the problem with super is that everything is so stiff. nothing is fluid at all which doesnt allow for moments like the one here

>>136349427
>Not since episode 5
i give you that for some
>and Gohan's character treatment
gohanfag detected

>>136357420

Toei has more employees but isn't subdivided, funded and vertically integrated top to bottom by a megacorporation like Sunrise and A-1. Also yes A-1 generally does a fair bit of outsourcing, often enough right back to Sunrise like with SAO, GATE, OreImo, Sora no Woto, Silver Spoon, Servant x Service and Fairy Tail. Really a good chunk of their catalogue even. Sunrise also doesn't even have as many active employees as Kyoani for example.

Also looking up the list of stuff outsourced to Sunrise in order to confirm some shit I found Prisma Ilya, Guilty Crown, Psycho Pass, Little Witch Academia, Steins;Gate, Yo-Kai Watch, Wandering Son, and Madoka Magica on the list. I don't know how to feel about that but it kind of explains a few things like why some scenes, looks, and instances in that show remind me so much of Sunrise smooth animation and shot framing. This has been enlightening since I had no idea they had a hand in so many hits that technically aren't even supposed to be there's on top of their own ones. Jesus Christ maybe they really are the most influential studio of all time then.

Toei knows how to do things though. They do good animation when the scene or episode needed it. So SoL crap has crappy animation while the fighting arc has average to great animation. It just so happens Dragon Ball Super is full on action show.

>>136357933
If there's an outcry, then they'll fix shit like DBS and SMC. Or for adult-oriented anime.

Otherwise, (I don't know about OP, but for Precure) they'll only correct animation and errors up until the episode airs. They don't go back to fix them afterwards as there's no incentive to when kids don't buy discs.

>>136357984
There isn't enough material for that. There are five arcs in the Sailor Moon manga and they've been pacing one arc per cour, so it would be 70 episodes at the very most.

>>136356822

http://imgur.com/YltxfyX

I couldn't get the quality to go well when making this in order to meet the upload size limit but this shows that the show could look pretty slick without having the resort to 3D if it didn't have to be several hundred episodes.

>>136346867
BASED
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E
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Toei BTFO they better step it up, I'm loving Super but the anime is unwatchable

>>136356743
>I thought Funimation straight-up ignoring Super was a bad enough slap in the face.
who cares about them?these fuckers barely do their job right

>>136358237
I don't know. They adapt 2-3 per season. And Sailor Moon all in all has 18 volumes.

>>136346867
Dragon Ball Super has bad characters, bad story, and bland fights. Why does it matter if it's well animated or not ? good animation won't suddenly make this anime worth watching.

Sailor Moon Crystal got the original staff replaced after people cried enough.

>>136358561
The same writer from the Dark Kingdom and Black Moon arcs in Crystal is still on though.

Crystal S3 will (probably) look better, though.

>>136358561
Only the character designer. The director left Toei after the shitstorm.

>>136348553
You can firmly blame Oda and One Piece for the terrible quality.

Oda, who cares so little about how the One Piece anime is made as long as he gets his paychecks and the Japanese viewing public who stomached the shit pacing and horrible quality of the One Piece anime without complaint.

They set the standard for how Toei treats their series. I mean, if One Piece THAT LARGEST MOST POPULAR ANIME EVER is allowed to be treated like mass produced garbage, then why shouldn't Dragonball get the same treatment?

>>136356545
they now have gohan who can progress once again in strength.

as much as gohan haters will deny it. Gohan is the key to making super great

>>136357984
The Sailor Moon manga is not that long, they need like 30 episodes to tell what's left of the story. It's only 18 volumes long, 12 in the new version.

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>>136348093

>>136358713
The quality for OP was acceptable for over a decade, I dare say animation holds up until as recently as the start of Punk Hazard when Film Z stole most of the budget. It's typical japanese mentality to not break this up this long relationship and start a shitstorm for the last 2 years of garbage.

>>136358975
>Animation holds up until Punk Hazard

You're fucking blind then, the animation went to shit back at Thriller Bark.

>>136358130
Sunrise is basically the anime industry, considering how much things are connected to it.

>>136358081
Pretty much this. It doesn't matter if the character model is inconsistent if the animation is good.

Problem is DBS doesn't have both.

>>136356545
I think a huge mistake they made was introducing the idea of a super saiyan god. once goku and vegeta achieve godhood, how are the other characters supposed to keep up? are they all supposed to become gods? SSG Gohan? SSG Gotenks? God Namek Piccolo?

What they should have done is have characters like Piccolo, Buu, and Gotenks continue to train and actually keep up with Goku and Vegeta, kind of like in the android saga when Piccolo became the strongest, then Vegeta and Trunks became the strongest until Goku and Gohan went into the time chamber

>>136354128
somebodybanswer my question.
i was thinking about this recently but i can't make sense of it

>>136359087
Thrille Bark was top notch, it had QUALITY but goddamn it looked amazing for the most part

>>136357475
He's still right

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>>136356545
Considering the multiverse is canon now, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Crisis on Infinite Dragon Balls or something to reset the continuity.

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>>136351423
>Why was this fight so short in the manga?

>>136351548
That's back when the team had passion for the show instead of "how do we make as much money as possible"

>>136357670
>Precure still has the highest ratings of all little girl shows despite the failing Sunday morning SHT timeslot, somehow
It seems little girls don't watch little girl shows anymore. That mean they watch Super and One Piece with their brothers or just play with their smartphones. I can't blame them though. Little girl shows stop being fun a long time ago.

>>136356743
Funimation are going to work on DBZ Kai -THE LAST CHAPTERS- on Toonami before pumping out DB Super if I recall correctly

>>136360659
It's hard to have any passion for the show when the animators are starving phillipinos working 12 hours per day

>>136360659
More like "doing as much as we can with those extremely tight deadlines".

>>136360881
There's no way this is caused only by tight deadlines. I'd wager it's a combination of factors.

>>136361365
Scheduling is always the reason of QUALITY, it's a fact confirmed by many industry insiders.
Also we know from reliable sources (which also happen to be industry insiders) that the production of Super is a complete mess.

>>136359562
reaching and making use of god ki

>>136347392

hAHAHA how do I catch someone's attention on the internet

oh right I spew some bullshit so people will reply to me in a thread!

Someone interacted with me so I'm not worthless!

>>136352141
Alright, Jurassic World and TFA are definitely cash grabs, but they aren't garbage. At the very least they make decent popcorn flicks. Dragon Ball Evolution is flat out one of the worst movies ever made.

>>136349943

If you don't clearly remember something you're making your point on, maybe don't try to input your opinion, faggot

>>136361695

You should have gotten out of this thread and saved some face, but no, you had to come back (hours later) and write the typical "B-but. Was fucking around you guys, it was bullshit I got you!"

No anon, you fucked up and you're the faggot of this thread. Simple as that.

>>136362134
How could you even know that was even him? Typical 4chan response.

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Is it Toei Philippines's fault?

>>136362266

More like Toei in general.

They wouldn't give their japanese animators better work conditions, much less they are going to give it to the filipino ones.

>>136346956
>His name is Son Goku

>>136356743
>I thought Funimation straight-up ignoring Super was a bad enough slap in the face.
Funi would kills for Super. It hasn't happened because of stuff on Toei's end.

>>136359632
>Camera panning every 5 minutes
>Long ass OP to cut down actual content time
>PREVIOUSLY FROM LAST EPISODE bullshit that takes up 5 minutes per episode

Yeah for the 10 or so minutes it had, it was breddy gud Dagumi. Too bad Filler G-8 still shits on it.

>>136352505
They aren't even relevant inside Asia. TVB dramas are the only things that matter.

>>136362432
>They wouldn't give their japanese animators better work conditions
Toei has one of the better work conditions and pay in the industry. Their (Japanese) animators have a union. Their Filipino animators are treated like shit though.

>>136352505
You realize Hong Kong hates Jackie Chan now, right?

>>136346867
It's amazing. He is the 'father' of his work isn't he, people?

>>136346956
NEVER EVER. An abomination.

>>136362982
Not him but that's cause he sold out harder than possibly anyone else in history. I don't think that takes away from what he did in the past though. He clearly knew more about choreography than all of Hollywood combined even today. I mean fuck people are still studying his shit today.

>>136350047
Why would you think that? Super is canon.

>>136362982

Who the fuck cares. He's the most popul;ar chinese guy in all of America. He was practiaclly a superhero to us when we areyoung

>>136346867
Well said, Toei has no excuse. They are filthy rich, how can Precure gets a better treatment than DB? Oda should do the same.

>>136346956
I actually completely forgot about it. Dammit all, why would you remind me?

>>136363719
Precure is Toei's IP, DB is Shueisha's IP.

>>136363707
>He went on to say America is "the most corrupt [country] in the world" - not China.
Good for us American citizens too.

>>136364128
He was bought out by China by then, but hey having a reminder your government is also shady as fuck is better than nothing at all.

Then again if Snowden didn't get it done, I doubt anything else matters.

Quality was high at times though, on scenes that shouldn't need it.
I'm sure consistently decent quality could be achieved with the actual budget.
Pretty sure the director is just being retarded as hell.

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This will get a mango and a contest where people send their own original fusions art, winners will be in the game.
Time to rev up all those crazy ass fusions people made up back in the day and called them ''rumors'' before the internet.

>>136364703
Budget has nothing to do with the quality in this case. DBS' QUALITY comes from being broadcast half a year too early.

>>136364933
Elaborate.

So Toriyama throwing Toei under the bus to not look like a hack?

>>136364549

His political affiliation for liking PRC over HK rule wasn't his own opinion, but forced on him?

>>136365349
Just check the rest of the thread. The anime was announced out of nowhere and the director was busy up until Super. Some cuts animated by known talents look like absolute shit since they had no time to work on it.

>>136366246
With all of the modern technological advancement in animation, there's literally no excuse for Dragon Ball to be so poorly animated, especially considering the budget Toei probably has for the show. I mean the shit is laughably bad, reminiscent of the 80's when you could make a good excuse for shit animation (almost every goddamn anime TV show was poorly animated, some episodes of Nadia looked like a Scooby Doo episode).

It's probably just some horrible fucking talent, or lack there-of, in house.

>>136366789
Don't know about that, but PRC way back in 1983 or some shit Jackie was protesting against them up front. Money does things.

Can the nostalgia please die out? Super doesn't look any worse than DBZ, it always had shitty animation, you nostalgia babies are the worst

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>>136358792
oh god no, pls no more gohan

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only thing that could save dbz in moe era is to add more female fighters and female sayijans, no pantsu shots no sales, prove me wrong

>>136371186
>no pantsu shots no sales, prove me wrong
K-On

>>136371207
but this no longer makes profit, and kyoani had to change hence all these ecchi shows they make today

>>136371286
Hibike

Even he admits at one point he was sick of this nonsense but I guess it's so big he comes back to it

I'd be sick of remakes and boring fights I've seen a million types after decades too

>>136346992
>Arng

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>>136348777
at least even a card game advertisement have good animation in some episodes unlike dbs.

>>136348668
He's saying you like the taste of shit because you're underage

>>136372356
>born before 1996
>underage

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>>136349563
>LOL!

Holy shit, how fucking new are you

>>136352149
Cosmo's VA was Etsuko Kozakura

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>>136349943
>Doesn't read filename
>is wrong about origin of clip
>we should trust his 'memory' on the quality

Seek professional help. Your retardation might not be curable at this advanced stage. At the least they can help you kill yourself.

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>>136352319

>>136348707
This is what they did with Digimon and the animation is still shit if you're not deluded nostalgiafags..

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>>136352742
>filename
Maybe bulma is a gusher?

>>136353599
DBZ is over the hill in so many ways than one, so they basically don't have to try, and ultimately, all the majority of fans care about is if Goku (and now Vegeta!) punch the guy in the face and have a fight. Nobody cares who has to be sacraficed to make this happen.

I mean, we've basically regressed Gohan into some weird adult/child hybrid of himself, were instead of treating him like an adult and a powerful character in his own right, we have to have him pining over his dad and Piccolo and being weak and pathetic.


The thing about Sailor Moon, is that you're not going to get away with it being shitty, because the original manga and anime had a style to it that other shows hadn't done at the time, and the fanbase hadn't constantly been fed with video games and other bullshit.

>>136346867
>now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime
>say that he'll work hard on designs and story so the anime staff can give their best
>draws crap looking designs and write more asinine tournaments
The staff isn't going to get any motivation that way, Toriyama sensei.

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>>136356545
>In order to make it like Z again, they almost have to start over again from the beginning. Maybe tell the story of a future generation or something,
Even at the height of DBZ, people couldn't STAND the idea of giving the series to Gohan, Goten and Trunks.

If they won't let Goku's goddamn kids do anything, why would any new characters get to? This series is hosed on that regard.

>>136372612
>clylyn

>>136351423
Rumor has it that he didn't even want to do it, he wanted to have Piccolo be the one that gets possessed.

>>136355551
>Origin
>Studio 1

Found the retard

>>136346992
I would literally rather get kicked in the dick than have to watch either of those movies again

>>136372660
Now that would have been interesting.

But then, at that point, it was perfect for Vegeta to have that development.

>>136349456
It was shit, but it still wasn't as bad as The Last Airbender

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>dragon ball becomes decently animated now
>one piece and co become literal slide shows

>>136374586
This, One Piece is catching up to the manga and will most likely enter a huge filler arc. Toei own Precure so they can do as many seasons as they want where as with Dragon Ball they may not get this chance again. Also no one cares about the World trigger anime not even the manga readers.

>>136374770
One Piece anime was good before the filler arcs were cut. That put it at 10 minutes of content per week. Then the animation was cut. Then the overly long opening and plot exposition were cut and we were left with 18 minutes of non-animated shit.
That's where I finally stopped watching it.

>>136355770
>>136355833

So bland. These are fights between galaxy destroying or-whatever-it-was-again creatures.

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Who is best U6 and why is it Magetta?

>>136374974
(You)

>>136370423
Except that's not fucking true. We're there terrible animations in DBZ? Yes. But so far Super has yet to reach the heights of Z.

>>136354128
Cell is an artificial life form made by Dr Gero's computer. He spent about 20 years incubating under Gero's lab, being given information by the computer. When he finished growing, he looked for the androids, but couldn't find them because Trunks destroyed them. He tracked down Trunks and discovered that he had a time machine. He then killed Trunks and used the Time machine to go back 21 years so that he could absorb the androids. The time machine was too small for him though, so he had to turn himself into an egg to fit. One he arrived, he hatched from the egg as a giant cicada thing, burrowed under ground then slept for 3 years. Finally, he emerged, molted, then started absorbing people to gain strength.

Read the manga.

>>136346992
>TLA
>took like 5 earthbenders to move a small boulder
>needs a fire source to be able to use firebending unless general iroh
What the flying fuck was that

>>136348630
It was the best dbz movie by far

>>136355591
>course incidents like Code Geass

Never heard about there having been an incident.
Does a writeup on that exist?

>>136362982
>hong kong hates jackie chan
[Citation needed]

>>136372612
>>136372641

Why do the Japanese are unable to being consistent with Krillin's name?

>>136353704

Google translate much?

>>136378424
>Why do the Japanese are unable to being consistent with Krillin's name?


Why are the japanese unable to be consistent with Krillin's name?**

>>136378490
>remove grammar mistake
>add orthographic mistake in return

What's the point?

>>136378490
>Why are the japanese unable to be consistent with Krillin's name?**
Why are the japanese inconsistent with Krillin's name?***

dbgt keeps looking like the superior show with each passing week

>>136378333

He sold out to the government. His chinese facebook page has so much blatantly paid off propaganda it's ridiculous. And the worst thing is even the dimmest of the dumb can see it because so much of it is lies.

>>136379936
>If I keep saying it, it will become true!
Nope.

Reminder to just read the manga

>>136380183
No

>>136379971
It was worthy though. His son would be executed if it wasn't for Jackie's hard work for the Communist party

>>136380387

Shameful display for Chan's son. For real.

I feel sorry for Jackie.

>>136380846
Jackie's mom was a drug dealer too. I guess it's in the family

>>136380183
This.
Don't know why people even want to watch the anime. Both the dub and original VAs are horrible, and so is the soundtrack in it. The manga is better.

>>136380183

That and the last two movies.

Though I like some of the details Super added to the retellings.

>People still don't know the manga is just there to advertise the manga

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>>136353838
>Fans are overblowing this.
Somewhat, but the fact that he's even making reference to the problems with the animation does say a lot

>>136381180
>advertise the anime*

>>136381125
>Though I like some of the details Super added to the retellings.


Me too, to me, that one episode about Vegeta spending some time with Bulma and Trunks, ans basically all the scenes involving Gohan and Videl, like discussing about Pan's future, Gohan getting rekt and hammering down the fact that if he doesn't keep up with training, he can't protect shit.

Do we even know what scenes were added in the extended version of RoF BD's? The most we could see from Gohan's reaction to the planet being destroyed was his back being silent.

Also, I still don't get why Toei cut off the Trunks x Mai from the retellings. Is not like she's biologically 41 anymore and they are still being shown in the manga.