Wait, so why do we consider this show a classic?
I decided to finally watch it since Phantom World is shit and I'm really not getting it. It's not bad by any means just above average.
don't even get me started on this endless eight bullshit[/spolier]
If you don't watch the entirety of Endless Eight back to back and appreciate it you're doing it wrong.
The proper way of watching endless eight is to marathon it without a single break.
No, the proper way to watch this amine is to watch just the season 1, one episode a week in the broadcast order, then wait for 3 year and watch season 1 and season 2 in the chronological order one episode a week, then wait 5 month and watch the movie.
Back in '06 not many people did SoLs with supernatural elements involved. And Haruhi set the trend for LNs getting made into anime and shit. Plus it had a bitchin' OP and ED, and the protagonist is fucking GOD. It also helps that the author knows/knew how to write interesting shit. Haruhi is but a novel away from being finished, and it is going to be hard for him to deliver.
If you didn't watch only season 1 in broadcast order the first time then I'm sorry to say you ruined the show for yourself forever. It's too late for you to ever experience what everyone else did when it became so beloved.
Disappearance is not the "classic" of the franchise either. That's definitely season 1 which was super popular. The movie is damn good but only if you watch the show first. Season 2 spoiled the reputation of season 1 for people who didn't watch it before 2009.
I think people who watched the 2006 broadcast (and especially the ones who didn't rewatch it or read the novels) are ones who understand Haruhi's good points the least. The series has a really solid plot and great character development, but the original run was made to be artificially complicated and people just rode on the general hype (mostly caused by things like the ED dance, episode 00 and Live A Live) without spending much thought on the story.
When it came out, I paced myself and watched one every 1-3 days, and stuck to other anime to balance things out. Luckily for me, Haruhi wasn't the thing I looked forward to most, so I wasn't too butthurt.
The two issues I have with endless eight are
1. It was fucking painful to deal with while it was airing
2. The amount of money that was pissed away.
It was a pretty decent idea, and I could get over it, but fucking 2/3 of a cours just gone. This is what really makes me think that they had a lot of seasons planned, how could somebody sit down and say, "Well, we've got a shit ton of material to adapt, but fuck doing our jobs I've got this totally hilarious joke planned."
tl;dr Aya Hirano is a whore
You should watch Haruhi-chan too. Only watch Yuki chan if you happen to be a masochist thought. Don't bother with Churuya, it's shite.
yeah they're fun but it's not all its cracked up to be. so many fags that speak nip or read the manga spoil shows on purpose for everyone else.
I generally avoid threads for the shows I'm watching.
I assume you're referring to that clip being dubbed. Haruhi is better dubbed it's that simple, Turkey-chan is even survivable (though boring) dubbed, the orginal is a horror story.
No, I was referring to everything in your post aside from the audio language because I didn't open the video.
But now that you said you prefer the english dubbing anyway, you're even fucking worse.
What was KyoAni thinking with Endless Eight?
Were they deliberately trying to tank the franchise? It took so long to get a second season, and the bizarre way it aired (in the middle of reruns without an announcement until the first new episode premiered) makes me think they just wanted to be done with Haruhi completely
>Were they deliberately trying to tank the franchise?
I think it was more of a combination of the series being literally guaranteed to make money, and large amounts of psychedelics.
They tried new stuff because it didn't matter what the fuck they did, it was going to sell like hotcakes. The only reason it really makes sense is if they had a third season planned / already in production.
how many years has it been? Five?
>Yeah, but the LN is objectively better
I'm watching TV Haruhi right now and enjoying it, but just got to Episode 12
What the fuck is the Endless Eight?
>What the fuck is the Endless Eight?
The same episode eight times in a row as the characters are stuck in a time loop. Each episode is fresh animation, and there are really minor variations (like the clothes they wear) but it's otherwise the EXACT same episode repeated eight times
They were trying to be meta but just ended up pissing off the ENTIRE fanbase and it caused the show to lose all popularity it once had.
>and it caused the show to lose all popularity it once had.
Yeah that's why we still have threads about it 7 years later.
Here's the thing. The knew while making S2 that they wanted to make Disappearance a movie. If they'd left Endless Eight as just an episode or two they would have ran into material they needed for Disappearance.
Endless Eight also set up everyone who watched it to really feel for what Yuki was going though. While it was airing, those of us that watched it every week had to deal with it for two months, it gives you just a glimpse of what Yuki sat though and gives you a better understanding of where she's coming from in Disappearance.
Also, the reason there's no S3 is because the writer for Haruhi and Kyoani can't agree on a price for S3. Both are too stubborn to budge and it means we get no new content.
>All that Kyon-Kun Denwa.
2010-2011 was literally the peak of the franchise.
>Disappearance sells 150 000+
>World-wide release for Surprise
>According to this week's Oricon book sales ranking, the limited edition of the latest entry in the Haruhi Suzumiya light novel series, The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya has taken the top spot in the bunko paperback category, selling 341,000 copies. This more than doubles the previous weekly sales record in the bunko paperback category of 167,000 copies held by Kanae Minato's Kokuhaku. Kadokawa had previously announced that the first printing would be 513,000 copies, meaning nearly 2/3rds of the copies were sold. The limited edition including The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 1 (pictured), Part 2 and a 64 page all color deluxe booklet was released on May 25th in Japan after a 4 year wait.
It's really not that great, Movie is amazing though. I couldn't help but feel it's a lot of wasted potential. It has a really interesting world but never explores it outside the movie
That's because it's not about supernatural itself but the supernatural in the context of a normal life. Haruhi never sees and acknowledges something supernatural in the story, and that's not a coincidence, that's because she wants to search for S/F stuff while knowing it doesn't exist. Going full S/F would make it lose that aspect and make it also less relatable
Yeah it gets an occasional thread bit itw not even close to the original popularity. Haruhi was queen of the world from 2006-2009 and then no one gave a shit about it afterwards
I didn't even know disappearance came out until three years later, compare to the rumors about season 2 that were everywhere
Movie was pretty good, but the series was meh. I also don't know why people love out so much.
Maybe it would be any entertaining if it didn't had Haruhi being same annoying arrogant bitch every single scene.
Disappearance was pretty fucking well received
I'm about to watch the Endless Eight episode right now
Wish me luck
>I didn't even know disappearance came out until three years later,
>I literally live under a rock so Haruhi isn't popular
Well if you think them ending S2 as close to the beginning of Disappearance as they did was a coincidence you are mistaken.
Also, Kyon goes into the bit about Yuki during his inner monologs during endless eight and about how she must feel having sat though that same loop 15,498 times (rough math putting that two week loop to somewhere around 600 years (14 (days) * 15,500 (rounded up number of loops) / 365)
The bit about the price disagreement I must admit I have just heard repeated on /a/ for a few years, so that might not be totally true, but it at least sounds like a plausible idea as to why Kyoani doesn't want to make another season of a show that just prints money for them.
I get that's what it's going for but it was kind of annoying to me. I know Haruhi cant know but they always tease Kyon about it but then never go anywhere with it. Makes you want them to go further but they never do which is frustrating when watching.
It reminds me of the K-On!! episode where they start crying because they realize that they are graduating and will have to part. Then the very next episode they decide "hey why don't we just all go to the same school" and laugh it off. It just sort of makes you feel a bit cheated for even caring.
Season 2 (and rewatcing S1 while you do it), Disappearance
, and Yuki-chan.
I see your point, I didn't feel like that though because I was more interested about the characters and their interactions than the S/F setting (which essentially happens behind the scene). The S/F is a way to create characters interactions and development. Kyon's monologue in Disappearance is the most obvious one, but I'm also thinking about stuff like the tensions between Koizumi and Mikuru. I like the story being about the SOS Brigade rather than the supernatural.
I love how grounded the world and behaviors are despite being supernatural and led by a crazy girl like Haruhi. Despite the fact that Haruhi is "eccentric," she doesn't do anything impossible (of her own volition), and in fact is seen as a nuisance and undesirable by most, which is how real people would actually react to them, but not in an over-the-top way, again like the real world. Compare her to most "kooky anime girls," who are either lauded or met with cartoonish disdain. And in the world itself, most people act like real people. No EHHHHHHHs, no falling over at dumb shit, no overreations in general. The directing style is usually very distant too, almost voyeuristic, which lends to the everyday atmosphere. Just watch Someday in the Rain to see all of this shit in action. Haruhi is well loved for good reason.
Pic related, Kyon actually looked insane for a few secs
This, almost any other show and Kyon yelling in a public place would just be everyday. The camera goes out of its way to show stares from behind -- if it had had a separate angle to show their reactions it would draw too much attention to the patrons, which would overemphasize how unusual the situation was. As it stands it's just "this is kind of weird, this kid is yelling in public, I will go back to my coffee after this." Haruhi's directing seriously does not get enough credit.
It annoyed me that Kyon allowed Haruhi to get away with so much stuff. Especially when she got Mikuru drunk for filming. Sure he went nuts at her and I can understand why from the story perspective but in the end, she didn't apologise to Mikuru and Kyon didn't apologise to Haruhi. I know shes stubborn but it would have been good to see her develop a little.
She learned her lesson and they didn't need to put it in words. Plus, it was more like a shitty joke than something dangerous since it was very light sake and Tsuruya actually put the alcohol in the glass.
But I can see where you're coming from, Haruhi acts like a selfish cunt for a solid half of the story and only gets better near the end of the anime. So, there's development but it's not exactly spelled out, and you don't get to see much of it. That's why I want the next novels to be adapted in anime, it gets a lot of things about Haruhi's character straight.
And pic related for Haruhi's development of course, in this episode she starts acting the opposite of her usual self. Remember when she categorically refused to join a club even though they wanted her so bad for her skills? In this ep she goes out of her way to help them and even after she's uneasy because she thinks she didn't help them good enough. Then, she starts thinking about making a band.
That is fucked
How does Nagato not just kill herself?
Did she really learn her lesson though? All we see is her beginning to put her hair into a ponytail. Sure it means she misses Kyon but does she understand why he got mad at her?
Because she's a synthetic life form who doesn't experience time in the same way people do.
She still gets messed up by the experience though, which is what partially leads to the events of Disappearance.
This show is great
I'm going to watch the rest of it as soon as I finish this
That's what I'm talking about. You can't be sure whether she's actually a bitch or grew up after that without the LN sequel. Sure, she learned that she can't do some stuff without facing the consequences, and the next episodes show her acting differently (caring more about people and making them happier), but did she actually process why what she said was bad?
With the movie and the last few episodes you can think she did mature but you can't be totally sure about that, because the rest of her development is in the LNs.
It's a relic, like Azumanga Daioh or whatever else. They're good shows in their own right, sure, but they're lauded for their influence. When you watch these shows in 2016 you compare them to all this stuff that they started, usually makes people a bit let down.
M A N L E T
I just finished it
Why did they end it like that?
Nothing was resolved at all
Am I missing something?
Was there more than the 14 episodes I just watched (excluding the second season)?
If you're currently watching Endless Eight then you're watching the full chronological order (aka season 2, which is more like a season 1.5 and contains both the 2006 and 2009 episodes)
Well I'm watching in broadcast order, so I should just watch the second season to figure out the rest?
Endless Eight isn't in the first 14 episodes of the broadcast order though (see >>136349039 )
Anyway, keep watching, there's still 14 episodes and the movie which answers your questions
Again faggots, with all your complain how generic it is and whatnot, this series is the first that many shows and stories take from, most notably the SoL and supernatural elements, a templet if you will. A lot of people still consider it one of the best of its kind pairing it with the movie. If you call it shit or otherwise you are just a fucking faggot by not considering its first air date and using the excuse of the endless 8 problem. My words will mostly likely wont get through to people but only death can cure being a faggot.
I only like the show for Kyon
One of the most likeable protagonists of all time
Reminder that dub Kyon is superior
I think all the characters, minus some moments with haruhi obviously, were all pretty well written for their part, they all felt like a person and not a trope
leave this place
>Reminder that dub Kyon is superior
dub kyon has no snark, he sounds like a tv announcer dude
I don't know, there'S something in Freemans voice that's familiar and soothing. The only show I watch dubbed because of that
But that's just me, I can understand why everyone prefers Sugita
Sugita is bae
He makes a character complete with his VA, I mean just look at Joseph
Would he be the same character without Sugita's silly but manly as fuck voice?
>liking some shitty VA over sugita's splendid voice acting
>Literally invented that every LN in japan tries to mimic/copy
>Why is it a classic?
Haruhi-chan Suzumiya is cute
even if I have to watch it at 240p because I can't be bothered to download it
It's a nice watch while I wait for season 2 to finish downloading
There isn't so much a "right" way to watch it---rather, it's impossible for people who didn't watch it during its airing to understand the effect the creators were going for.
I don't actually think what they did to us for that effect was worth it---basically, it was the equivalent of the director of a play hiring a bunch of thugs to beat the shit out of the audience before the play started so they could better empathize with the protagonist of the story who is like a women in an abusive relationship. It might actually work even, but that doesn't make it worth it for all the people who got beat up. Not to mention, if they want people to empathize with the character, they should stick to the means available within the play, rather than trying to literally make the audience feel her pain.
That said, that was their intention and it can't be achieved by newcomers, not ever. I can't even think of a hypothetical situation that would allow it to be possible. You can never understand what it was like, even if another show did the same thing, it wouldn't be the same because E8 would have established a precedent you could gauge your understanding of what was happening around.
It is a masterpiece. You don't need to have some overwrought melodramatic plot for it to be a masterpiece. If I had to compare, Haruhi is like a Chekhov story or play---just because it isn't The Brothers Karamazov or War and Peace doesn't make it any less of a masterpiece.
>If I had to compare, Haruhi is like a Chekhov story or play
I like Haruhi too anon, but please.
Guess we got some pretentious cunt who is trying to convince us that the endless eight was entertaining and was a much better alternative to 8 actual episodes of haruhi.
ya fuck off.
>franchise starts a worldwide phenomenon
>record breaking sales on all official works
>at one point Haruhi was the poster girl for anime in general
>only two seasons
Why did she leave us?
Watching it weekly it's way worse, you memory is not as fresh so you can't accurately perceive all the direction variations and pacing changes.
I watched them back to back like the other guy and I don't regret it. But then again I'm way more interest in the animation process and framing than the average viewer.
>Watching the show in chronological order
>Not watching it in broadcast order
I seriously hope you guys don't do this
>tfw the torrent I downloaded was just as shit quality as the videos
I don't consider myself to be, but I stick by my statement. The point is, it isn't something to be envied. It was a bad experience, even if it was completely unique. I remember seeing one of those hang down roller coasters get stuck at the top of the loop for quite a while as I left a theme park with my family. Its like that kind of thing I imagine---an experience that's completely unique, but only in how terrible and frustrating it was. Nor can you simulate the experience sitting upsidedown on your couch---but that's a good thing.
I'm not comparing it to Chekhov in terms of literary merit, I'm making an analogy between Haruhi's position relative to other anime with Chekhov's position relative to other Russian literature of the time. I don't understand why people don't understand analogies, I've seen this sort of reaction when someone draws an analogy using literature or art and thinks the person is comparing the work used as an analogy in terms of absolute artistic merit.
I can, just stop teasing me on new years with nothing to show for it please
>the LN is objectively better
No. The anime is superior.
>I lot of Kyon's inner monologue is great and the anime isn't able to capture all of that.
The anime captures the important bits. I watched the anime first and then read the LNs and they were basically identical. Reading them got me nowhere at all as far as revealing anything I didn't already see from the anime. Well, until Snowy Mountain, obviously.
You should watch 2009 broadcast (chronological) order. If you have a decent computer, watch the first 3 episodes of Endless Eight, then watch the next 4 at the same time. Just open up all 4 video files at once. Then watch the eighth one. After that, watch The Disappearance. After that, go pick up the light novels, start with book 5, The Rampage, and go to the last story, Snowy Mountain Syndrome. This is the first new material, everything before that was adapted.
Watching 4 episodes at once really hammered home the differences and similarities between the episodes. of course, this may be difficult if you download the blu-ray and your computer is old.
By the way, here are the fan-translated LNs:
And the official ones:
I preferred the official ones, but the fan ones are nice for reference, as they explain some things better, and you can copy+paste text out of them.
I did the same. I think the first 5 books till snowy mountain took me about 3 weeks. I was only reading them at work on break. After that, the rest I finished in under a week because it was new material. I really wish he'd write more. I felt so depressed when I was done. It's that post-marathon melancholy. Hit me harder for this series than any other before or since. I couldn't watch anime for a week, except I re-watched the entire series (sans EE) and the movie about 5 times.
Jokes on you both, in the time it took you to respond I finished the Endless Eight episodes literally minutes before you replied
second anon is right, watching them all after another and then having it all finally end was a good sensation, albeit a bit cheap because it really didn't need to be as many episodes long as it was
oh well, at least I can finish the main series finally and get on with the rest of it
>watch all of haruhi including endless eight in one sitting without a single break
>college grades drop
>isolate myself and stop talking to friends
>get diagnosed with clinical depression
should have been the other way around
You have nobody to blame but yourself, dipshit
>new KyoAni show's MC is named Haruhiko
I winced a little.