Why is it that the only jets you see in most shows these days are either F-22s or F-35s?
Why not have some variety like superior Russian jets?
Why Russian jets so sexy anyway? They made for fighting and bombing shits right?
They use F-2s, F-15s and (soon) F-35s as well though
Has lots of propaganda but it's not 100%, there's monstergirls in it too.
I find all the "I got a gun, better go smack this guy who has a sword with the butt of my gun" parts extremely silly, especially when the guy he/she/whoever goes to hit is like 30 feet away
the show also assumes that the guy they go bayonet have never seen a spear before and thusly have no idea how to deal with the situation
But there a whole anime about them like right now
In th especific setting you are linking, yes, because they send second-rate, outdated materiel to a place where it is WAY more than enough to do its job, while keeping the brand new shinny stuff for local use.
>>Fights are CGI
>>No soundtrack from the games
>assumes that the guy they go bayonet have never seen a spear before
Fun historical fact: in real world warfare, the guys with swords had a well-documented tendence to fucking understimate the bayonet, believing it "a poormans' spear" and tended to fight against bayonets as if they were spears (while truth is, bayonet and spear fighting have several key differences - spear is better at long range, bayonet is much better than spear at short range; sword guys used to close range as they do with spears and get predictably asskicked). Late XIX - early XX century warfare proved them wrong. Those guys making the same mistake makes actually sense.
Russia didn't focus on air superiority as much as the US did. They decided that rather than fight fire with fire, they'd just hard counter.
Most of their effort went into anti-air, and now they've got radar jammers and SAMs that really worry the Pentagon.
You don't need the best plane when you can blind the other guy.
>mfw playing War Thunder blasting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k in the background
I don't care if it's been nerfed to hell and that Doras, Spits and Typhoons are infinitely superior, I still love my F8F.
That's pretty clever, but then russian planes are actually shit?
Or is it just small differences that wouldn't actually matter in a real situation? I mean no one is actually dogfighting today as far as I know
Canards are actually a fairly recent (well, recent in aircraft developement cycle sense) thing in sukhois.
First seen in the Su-27M prototypes in 1988, canards have only been applied to Su-30MKI, Su-30SM and Su-34 from the current production aircraft roster.
And Pavel Sukhoi died in 1975 so he didn't really have much to do with the canards on current Sukhois.
I just graduated from Moscow University of Aviation so I can say they are like Apple vs Android. Russian planes do have certain problems, in the same time they have certain superiorities.
Having only low technology and materials people had co come up with great engineering solutions and features such as omnidirectional thrust vectoring which allows absolutely unmatched maneuvrability. Amerifat specialists are paid so high so american economy won't handle paying them to actually think. That's why f-35 is shit but costed more than entire NASA budget of all time.
However Russians have no idea how to make planes ecology friendly (or maybe just don't care), they are not so fuel efficient, and they are more expensive to repair and support in the lonl run because they are lowtech pushed to the maximum. Also no stealth technology gimmick, as if anyone needed it anyway.
The biggest problem ith them really is that getting new SUs seems like a good deal, but in the long run they will require a lot of service and repairs and they will soom become moe expensive than eurofighters and F-16s because of lowtech materials.
>Can't touch WEP or the engine and oil overheats instantly
>Can't even leave it on 100% power or the planes goes nuclear regardless
>Can't even leave it on 90% withit your plane burning itself from the inside out
It is of secret soviet dokument set to military engine configuration, torvarisch)))) xaxaxa
>Why not have some variety like superior Russian jets?
The YF-24 derived VFs in Macross all have clear Sukhoi influences.
Hell, the VF-25 is pretty much a SU-27 with variable sweep wings like the F-14 and thrust-vectoring.
asking for russian jets not iranian?
Su-35S is based on the T10BM line of prototypes from when the project was resurrected around 2007. Su-37 was a one-off on the T10M (Su-27M) project. They only share the basic airframe similarities with Su-35S missing the canards and for some reason the airbrake.
bullshit, while f-16 can actually lock on any modern plane and launch the AA missile it works same for russian planes, excepth they have superior maneuvrability, speed, and avionics, as well as superior AA missiles i'd bet on a russian plane.
MEC can't help it not rip its wings if you touch elevators when it goes over 750 km/h when doras can comfortably pull 12gs on a 850 km/h dive. But I mean, I could just close off the compressor and lose a bunch of power so the insides of my plane doesn't become a mini-Auschwitz oven, or I can just roll in a Griffon spit and destroy everything.
in all honesty even if it was wood it wouldn't matter, as long as it provided enough structural stability. No modern fighter uses any kind of gun any more, and it doesn't matter what your plane's made of if a missile hits it, it's toast.
>in a real situation
I'd say that would involve burgers throwing a gajillion missiles and drones until the other side runs out of SAM and the runways are filled with craters. Nobody can match 700 bases and their logistics.
Also I heard that our Russian planes are more troublesome such as the Flankers needing air conditioned bunker all year and the AF prefers their Hornets. Still none crashed so far in 8 years, wonder how India managed to crash theirs on almost monthly basis.
You have no idea what forces the planes are dealind with.
When you go supersonic you can imagine air becoming solid and hot as molten lead and you will have to cut through it.
>In the 1999 Eritrean-Ethiopian War, Eritrean MiG-29s fought Ethiopian Su-27s both piloted by Russian mercenaries. There were possibly as many as 24 R-27s fired by both sides. Only one R-27 fired by an Ethiopian Su-27 at an Eritrean MiG-29 proximity-fuzed near enough the MiG that the damaged aircraft eventually crashed on landing, giving the R-27 a hit ratio of only 4%
Just look at this amazing combat record.
Not really. Drakens were doing cobras half a century ago. And F-18 is just as agile as any Sukhoi.
Besides, agility matters shit in modern combat. Actually, it mattered shit in late WW2 already. Zeros were far more agile than planes they fought with and that sure helped them.
Russian planes are junk. Only poor shitholes banned from buying western weapons buy them.
>they don't know about the new grorious nippon plane that would shit all over F-35
Thrust vectoring is literally useless in combat. The first thing Raptor pilots learned is to never use it in combat. It only makes you waste speed and with modern missiles and their 360 offboresight that's certain death.
And stealth is such a gimmick that Russians and Chinese are doing everything they could to get their own stealth plane.
if it was 1999 then the missiles must have been from 80s.
At that time Russia wasn't making anything at all still suffering economical disaters after USSR fallen apart. Sine then then industry has been restarted.
>What is energy fighting
>What is BnZ
This is why the F6F wrecked the A6M's shit: It climbed faster and dived quicker, even if it can't roll or turn as quickly.
Since most modern jets have a thrust to weight of over 1 already, energy fighting doesn't matter nearly as much, since you can climb at 90 degrees, and your jet would still never stall. What mattered more is maneuverability, so you can outturn the nose of an enemy fighter to prevent a missile lock, or to roll and turn well enough to dodge a missile.
Even by the end of the war they were the best dog-fighters. The thing is even back then dog-fighting was already dead.
Russians putting so much effort into making jet dog-fighters is simply laughable.
>so you can outturn the nose of an enemy fighter to prevent a missile lock
And this presentation is 15 years old. Fucking 15 years.
Anybody remembers Stratos 4? They used only British and Russian planes there.
Your thrust to weight ratio will not be over one with a combat load. Good luck trying to escape a faster moving opponent by climbing.
>so you can outturn the nose of an enemy fighter to prevent a missile lock
You'll have to be pretty fucking close to their nose to do that. Like, basically hugging it.
Glorious super maneuverable zero went 1:13 vs inferior straight line only American garbage truck F6F.
They can't make planes go much faster yet because they lost their industry and don't have up to date materials and technology. Right now they can only use old alloys and don't even have blisk.
USSR was giving workplaces to adopted shitholes that then left and took the facilities with them. And then there was insane Eltzin and default and other shit.
Most of those tu-160s were bought back from the Ukraine, the rest that wasn't bought became picrelated.
New jets was superior in everything not just speed. Their armour and survivability was ridiculous. And most japanese aces were already died. Still Zero was dangerous in good hands
7/10, its got a shit load of eye rolling moments but that doesnt detract from it being fun. it knows when its stupid most of the time and i forgive it whenever an Apache rains lead upon completely helpless barbarians.
>no conversation development allowed
>Unable to come up with reasonable arguments
When are you going to say "I baited you trolololo"
what on earth ever happened to Japan's military otaku? when did they get so shit? they used to be great now it's all /k/ tier wank shit and none of the genuine heartfelt interest in military equipment and hardware.
I still see an F-22 being shot down by a Gen4 SU-35
>Not mentioning the fact that the Zeros have a flaw in their engine that the americans exploited
Nigga, they got themselves a Zero and took apart that shit before they even figured how to fight them.
There's a flaw in the engine that causes insufficient fuel to be pumped into the engine when the plane banks to the right, which stalls the engine. They later exploited that by telling their pilots, when caught with a Zero on their ass, to bank hard to the right.
They had to fucking get their hands on a fucking Zero to figure out that trying to dogfight a plane made to dogfight in a their heavier planes that can't turn as quickly is a bad idea.
>being AA operator
>first priority target
Being pilot is pretty cool. Rockets are never hit cabin. Only captivity is dangerous
Military anime and manga are dead.
>no manga about jet war/jet race
No more webm to post. Have this sub webm
>I still see an F-22 being shot down by a Gen4 SU-35
While this being possible, why even risk when F-22 can't go where S400 doesn't want it to?
If s-400 doesn't want it to fly the plane isn't going to fly.
>They can't. They're bland and faceless.
there's no point in making a jet fighter that much faster, because it costs a lot and you don't get much benefit. Dogfighting takes place around mach 1 for accurate weapons discharge, and they need some speed for intercepting. Provided your surveillence is half decent, there's no point pouring money into a really tricky design to get you no actual benefit. It's not "they can't make planes go faster", it is "they won't bother"
>Throwing planes that can't turn as quickly into a dogfight against planes that have already proven themselves to be capable dogfighting planes
Nigga, it's not just the engine flaw.
It says a lot about them if they continued to throw planes into dogfights when their planes don't excel at that shit and the enemy's planes does.
>So two f-22 can wipeout entry planet? STRONG
the thing is that the rocket has half fuel half oxydizer in either solid or liquid state (actually solid) while the jet is full of fuel alone and takes oxygen from the air,
You fags do know that they are only effective against slow, large transport planes at those ranges right? And those planes must be flying really high.
Also im not taking about just fuel. Im taking about the missile range. Cause the missile is more likely solid fuel and not liquid. Also a larger ground based missile can have more fuel and the launcher can have a bigger radar unlike a jet with it jammed into the nose cone.
>/pol/tard mad and rude
I bet you don't even know what is picrelated because TV never told you :^
Main feature that was never even tested in combat.
what is Tsiolkovsky law?
There's a point where more fuel don't give you anything. And it depends on specific inpulse and air breathing engines have specific impulse A LOT more than that of rocket engine.
That's why cruise missiles do actually use small turbojets instead of simple solid state.
What is this from, anyway?
it can actually het steel up to temperatures at which it gets softer.
Also standard material become chewing-gum-like if stressed while hot, they still are solid but they beging to creep
You do know that beyond 200km it's only effective against not maneuvering subsonic targets right?
And that while L-band can detect stealth planes at reasonable ranges you won't get a lock until less than 40km right?
Uses F-4s But helped make the F-16 in a joint project. And doesn't use it. And there is also the whole copy right thing the F-4 is over 40 years old.
I can just imagine the crew.
They do use their own variant of it, though.
Doesn't Japan produce their own variant of the F-16 as the domestic F-2? I recall it's considered inferior to the standard F-16s, but is well suited for its particular roles in Japan.
Not building the F-14 Super Tomcat again that works. Unlike the F-35 money pit there trying to push.
>superior Russian jets
Oh, yes please Japan
The CFA-44 was only god tier in Ace Combat 6. Was complete shit in Assault Horizon.
So what they use magnets to find or aircraft over a open fucking desert. With no ground site or AWAC in the AO. There is such things as not having a support aircraft in the AO on a mission.
The Su-47 is real.
The F-15s was built as a prototype but never mass produced.
Aurora is concept.
No, let's not be fucking gay. Play a proper game if you're going to play one.
Yes you can take out a F-22 with a F-14 or F-15 in Ace Combat. Hell even a Su-35 can.
Heavy Object has Europride.
I think the Chinese knock off J-20 looks some what close to this.
Actually the Aurora is in the testing stage. The X-47 is unmanned but exists in real life. Who knows if there's a manned version. Keep in mind they aren't the type to announce test flights of new prototypes
nigga, I beat pixy with a fucking draken
here comes the simfag
I laughed so hard at this one.
It's like the Russian Armata tank. They said that it was made in such a way that Abrams and Challenger tank will be of no much to it.
It crashed right in the middle of the parade
>It crashed right in the middle of the parade
It didn't crash - it broke down. The latter is more embarrassing.
Because the F22 is the sexiest beast to grace the skies along with pic related. also
Easy to fly, easily handled the MiGs of their time, only fighter capable of suppressing anti-air during the Gulf War, and so forth. And we built some 5,000 of them, so they're still in use as target drones.
I won't speak for Russian jets but Europoor pilots have found even outdated F-16s a match for the Typhoon and Rafale below 10,000 feet, and modern F-16s don't have that problem.
ATD-X IS NOT A GEN 6 AIRCRAFT FUCK
IT'S A DEMONSTRATOR FOR GEN 5 TECH
>It says a lot about them if they continued to throw planes into dogfights when their planes don't excel at that shit and the enemy's planes does
AFAIK the bread and butter way for dealing with the Zero and its capability to out-turn American aircraft was to simply refuse to get into a turning dogfight, rather to use superior climbing performance to ascend to a greater altitude and then dive at the Zero while firing. If you hit it you win, if you miss it the speed you built up in the dive allows you to escape unharmed.
He looks just like Pixy.
anyone else happen to be watching this this season? This made me do a double take. Where's the MiGs?
>The Su-47 is real.
>The F-15s was built as a prototype but never mass produced.
>Aurora is concept.
I didn't know we'd reached the level of level of technology to fly via electro-neural interface.
Those planes you pointed out are are from AC3, they're fictional because of the COFFIN system and those variants don't exist in real life.
>no su-47 posted
It's like some Slav watched Macross and decided to make it.
Considering that in the very last episode we saw the Japanese prime minister making decision based on pressions by his own and foreign countries, it isn't about GRORIOUS NIPPON at all. Yes, it focuses a lot on military, but were it another country's it would have made no difference.
Had one move in a couple weeks ago.
>Its for sale.
In muv luv they live in an alternate world where mechs replace planes, so you'll see them saying stuff like the f-22 in the older season and not realizing they're talking about the mechs until a few minutes in
mmmm idk about remote control, simply because quantum computers are on the horizon and they are said to be able to find the key in rsa encoding rather quickly. maybe there will be better encryption methods in the future but I doubt it. though to be frank I am a layman in that field.
do you even know what a beautiful propeller plane is?
F-35 lost to the Red Baron.
jokes are funny
>“The F-35 isn’t really meant for that kind of fighting,” said Lance McCory, a Lockheed spokesman.
Gets me every time.
The IL-2 is a flying tank and still looks nice
Nah, propellers are still a perfectly valid option. Just ask Brazil.
> even better stealth
> 360 IRST/AESA coverage
> variable cycle engines
> Datalinks to everything
Those 4 are definite
> Direct energy weapons
> Autonomous/remote controlled
> Flying wing (part of more stealth)
When will A-10 autists understand that a slow low altitude plane has no place on modern battlefield?
Point defense against incoming missiles.
Impossible to jam/dodge as long as parent aircraft can identify the target.
Instant SEAD against SAMs. Oh you locked on my plane, here's a megawatt to your radar antenna.
Russia has been winning that shit since WW I. Go look some random soviet prototype for something.
It'll be thrice the sensible size for it, weigh roughly 4 tons, and be impractical as shit.
Prototypes don't count, you actually have to do something operationally. Like when Britain flew a fucking Vulcan all the way from the UK to the Falklands to bomb an airfield. Because they could.
another thread successfully hijacked by /wtg/
if DCS is anything to go by the R27R is an incredible shit weapon and only good to scare approaching enemies into breaking off.
Russians planes in general are held back by the lack of a proper active-radar missile while american fighters can just throw AMRAAMs around like they were going out of style and and never bother with hiding from radar or using IR-sensors.
Post ISR cuties.
That feeling when life extension, good for you Sentinel chan.
just because its using prop doesnt mean its useless, you have to think logistics, area of operation and ultimately cost.
Was just talking to a friend about the Super Tucano.
Its smarter for countries that don't need fighter jets to use something like this.
In south america, the drug cartels aren't going to have fucking jet fighters, so a slow moving yet advanced and armed to the teeth prop like this is absolutely perfect.
Look at its cockpit, it looks more advanced than some jet fighters.
Is this an aircraft thread?
Daily reminder that the Mig-21 will forever be remembered as the fighter jet of the 21st century.
Its an old video of a Syrian MiG-29 shooting up rebels you inbred vatnik.
2 are Hornets 2 Are not. I can tell can you?
The EU might be first if something happens.
Hard to judge how powerful the sum total military of the EU is, but its military currently still costs ~3 times as much money as is spent on the military in Russia.
He was saying it's the F15 equivalent of the Advanced Super Hornet.
Oh, so you really don't speak english.
I was comparing the Silent Eagle to the Advanced Hornet as they are both similiar in terms of being fancy upgrades of 4th gen aircraft that no relevant nation will buy because the F-35 eexists.