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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Can you even learn Japanese in a timely manner without anki? I seriously can't stick to it. I lose motivation for weeks at a time and don't study, and when I come back my anki is ruined.
Sure, but if you have trouble memorizing stuff with anki you'll probably have trouble with it no matter what you do. If you have that much difficulty with finding motivation then maybe you should spend your time on something you care about more.
I've returned to memepost for you all
I love you Steve. Never leave us again.
It happens with all my hobbies. I phase in and out of them, and come back to them. Recently I've started reading a lot (English books), and am starting to get back into music more. I've just started wanting to read Japanese again so that's why I asked. I was keeping up with my anki for a while but it became really tedious when I couldn't be bothered.
I'm gonna need some way to take in all the new words. Anki will probably be the best way as there aren't as many alternatives that are as efficient that I can recall. I might just try and read for a while before getting back into it. I don't feel like reading manga, but LNs are kind of difficult. I'll see how I go with one again anyway.
Sure it's possible, just the vocab aquisition would be incredibly slow.
I mean, even Japanese kids make flashcards to remember yojis, what makes you think your gaijin ass will be any better at remembering that shit?
Daily reminder that you can't learn Japanese until you learn from this textbook.
I'm getting about half way in the "optimized" Core 2k/6k deck and I'm noticing there's quite a few duplicates. Anyone know why that is? It's kind of annoying and I'm suspending them when I find them. I've seen at least 5. Sometimes they have a different audio clip and sentence but they're still the same exact word. One even didn't have a different clip and sentence, all the fields were exactly the same except for the index numbers.
>anki's so boring
I know that feeling, at least i am done with 6k.
Right now i am doing the last 4k from the 10k deck and encounter these in the first 30 thirty cards, 何分 - 何でも - 何かと - 何ら - 何卒, i don't know why but they are giving me a hard time, i always mix up the meanings.
Why not just stop at 6k and work with mined words from now on? You won't run into this sort of problems (like 何分 - 何でも - 何かと - 何ら - 何卒 being clumped together without context) with mined words and there are more than enough words out there for you to keep a healthy pace of new words/day.
>運動 うんどう (n,vs) exercise; physical training; work-out; appeal; campaign; drive; crusade; movement; lobbying; motion; movement; (P)
>量 りょう (n,n-suf) quantity; amount; volume; portion (of food); (P)
Why adverbs are so fucking hard to remember god fucking damn those shits
>adverbs are so fucking hard to remember
I don't get it. How can someone have trouble only with adverbs? They're just like every other word. Unless you're saying adverbs when you actually mean something else.
>They're just like every other word.
No they're not
When I see 椅子 I think of a chair and remember it
When I see 眩しい I think of something bright and remember it
When I see 掘る I think of someone digging and remember it
When I see 咄嗟に shit is too abstract to imagine so I fail to remember, even when the author is kind enough to write the thing with kanji.
Learning by the moonlight
Shitposting by the sunlight
Those more abstract words still refer to concrete concepts though, just because it's a more abstract concept like fate doesn't mean you can't still easily think of it on it's own and remember it, but adverbs don't really refer to anything on their own, their meanings only really makes sense when paired with other words
Just heard a very misleading usage of the て-form. Took me a second to hear it correctly. Upon asked why she chose that particular school, a girl replies:
What do you think? Feel anything out of place?
I think your problem is not about things being abstract/concrete, but about things being easily to visualize or not. Have you tried visualizing a situation where the adverb applies and use it as a mnemonic? Like for 咄嗟に, the example sentence on the dictionary is「咄嗟にブレーキをふむ」. You could use that as a more concrete reference to remember the word by.
Well yeah example sentences do help a lot, and I try to use them whenever I encounter a difficult word, but it's still harder to recall a word based on it's use in an example sentence than it is to just recall a word working on it's own
I'm not the guy that originally said he hated adverbs by the way so it's probably different for him, but personally I don't even really think adverbs being "abstract" or easy to visualise is the main reason why I can't remember them, that is an aspect, but I hate them because they're mostly always written in kana, and I have a lot of difficulty differentiating them from other similar kana words
Newfag here, i've been practicing with real kana for a couple of days. How much time did it take you to advance to anki?
How much time is that
I dont know how anki works, but i dont want to spent half of the time looking the reference sheet.
Besides, two days is not enough to recognize all the patterns.
Why do you ask for advice if you're going to throw counterarguments at it? Listen to the voice of experience for once. Adding one column every five minutes you can be done with hirgana in an hour plus another hour for kata. You don't have to do it all at once. Just spare five minutes here and five minutes there and you're good.
Not that anon but it took me 2 hours for hiragana and about 4 for katakana.
There's a kana Anki deck in the Japanese learners zip file that will hold your hand through the process. But both shouldn't take you long.
I'm a bit skeptical. I feel like i can do that in two days but i will forget everything on day 3. So i'm not sure if it's worth it, also
>the voice of experience.
Did you go full japanese?
>I feel like i can do that in two days but i will forget everything on day 3.
When you do vocab in Anki, which you should start after reading a bit of Tae Kim and kana, you'll see the kana EVERY card so they'll fast become solid in your memory.
I've been at it for three years, I can read and watch most of the stuff I want, but more importantly, I've been here for three years and I've seen countless people go through the same process.
You won't forget anything because you'll constantly be using it for literally everything once you start studying. Also, nothing stops you from going back to realkana and working on them some more even after you've started anki and grammar.
How would this sentence translate as literally (and accurately) as possible? Would it be, the snow is accumulating (and continuing to accumulate, i.e. currently falling), or that the snow has accumulated (and has now stopped, in its present, accumulated state)?
Wow haven't seen that since i was one myself.
Being done with reps for the day feels so free, man.
>Did you go full japanese?
One of the worst memes and a big waste of time tbqh. Using a J-J dictionary will be very helpful for various reasons once you attain intermediate skill but as a beginner don't waste your time.
Even as an intermediate I recommend J-E dictionaries, for the simple reason English definitions are a lot more concise. Like, for "whale" in Japanese you'd get a definition like "a very large marine mammal with a streamlined hairless body, a horizontal tail fin, and a blowhole on top of the head for breathing." which is a lot less useful than just "whale" in English.
Depends on the word really, a lot of the times the English definition is as vague or imprecise as it is concise. I recommend looking at a J>E and pursuing a better definition at a J>J if you think the first one was unsatisfying,
>Do genki 1 + core 2k
I feel like I'm too casual to do both, is it that bad to just finish genki 1 before starting core 2k?
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE?
>is it that bad to just finish genki 1 before starting core 2k?
Yes, because Core is just a slow vocab acquisiton (well, you can make it fast), whereas Genki 1 is primarily focused on grammar. If you wait to do Core all you'll be doing is slowing down your overall progress in the language for 0 benefit except satisfying your current... laziness? Or whatever it is.
approximately how many words do you need to know before you can start reading light novels well? The core 10k?
Cut down your 4chan brah
Anki also has the advantage of being on mobile, so you can do it on public transport, in between classes, on the shitter, etc, there's really no excuse not to do it.
These are by far the best stats I've ever done, how do I do?
I'll get it for my phone, thanks.
>Cut down your 4chan brah
I hope you all use leechblock.
Being an idiot. Also switching out of Anki every few minutes.
>haven't really read VNs for days due to spending all time on listening practice
>on the other hand neglected listening practice for close to two years
t-theres more isn't there. I haven't seen breakfasts final form.
Anyone else have a hard time reading numbers in Japanese? Even if it's in the middle of text I just read it in English. I'm also procrastinating on sitting down and really trying to understand their way of expressing numbers what with 10,000 being its own "place".
It's just because I had a lot of those rare vocab cards that you do like two or three times in anki and then dont see again for a month, usually it's more like 90%, it was yesterday at least
I decided to sync Anki so I could use it on my phone but my decks have loads high resolution images attached to them and now It's uploading every single one.
This will literally take a day of uploading and I can't cancel it out without closing Anki. I can't use Anki anymore.
Moonman seems to have picked up again for some reason, stronger than ever.
It would probably surprise us how much overlap there is between /a/ and /pol/, actually. Anime promotes nationalistic pride in a way that western shows don't, if you think about it.
Anon. One day, someone will appear who will teach you.
But the sole objective of my current self is to liberate DJT. If you try to prevent that, even this thread will show you no mercy.
>Unlimited Methods Work
I had neither a tutor nor a class. All I have is this world. If a chosen method is a self-learner's symbol, then this world is my chosen method.
It copies and backs up any program or book that I have used.
That is my ability as a language learner.
Every Method Here Works.
>reading sex scene without a texthooker
>holy shit this is the most amazing sex ever
>I've never wanted a girl more
>what does 顰め mean, better look it up
>I see the kanji has 卑 in it, so I'll check what radicals it has and put those into Jisho radical search
>ah here 顰 is, right at the bottom
>so it's read しかめ, I see, well let's type out this sentence and add it to my mining deck
>right now back to the sex scene
>completely lost all arousal
Let me give you a pro tip son, this has come in handy more times than I can count
1) Install Share-X or whatever screenshot tool you want
2) When you see a word or kanji you don't know that stops your progress, press prt scrn and snip the word out
3) Keep reading, flow barely interrupted
4) Come to screenshot folder later and look up each word there
It's not perfect but for nukige it's invaluable
Do you have enough materials in stock, Freedom Knight?
Because he is adding his reddit shit into it as if it's a part of the thread when he's the only one who spams it. And replacing UBW with other random bullshit is far from original to begin with.
Where is his reddit shit? Are you just upset because he is a fan of Jean Paul Satre's radical freedom? If you get upset over that, please direct your wrath at >>136295103 who is much worse about spamming his shit all the time.
Yes. It's not even funny. It looks like your average poorly drawn western meme comic that normalfags find hilarious. At least the other guy is posting a cute anime girl which actually belongs on /a/. It's no worst than dekinai or がんばるぞい.
I'm talking about culture not the "official" rules. There's plenty of shit that is not okay to post about on this website that isn't directly stated by the rules. The opposite applies as well.
Are you talking about the end? At first she says she's on the first floor but then she goes on the elevator. "Don't be lazy!". Even though she's a creepy ghost girl in a story she does something pragmatic like that. Does that make sense?
I wish I knew where this LN is from. I don't even remember if I saved it from these threads or not.
Is it pointless to learn only the meaning of Kanji, rather then their meaning and pronunciation? I'm using the Heisig book and some Anki decks to learn the Kanji, and I'm doing it pretty quickly. The only thing I'm worried about is learning meaning without pronunciation.
>Is it pointless to learn only the meaning of Kanji, rather then their meaning and pronunciation?
You pretty much don't want to learn their pronunciations unless you can already read and have a large vocabulary to associate those pronunciations with. Different pronunciations are associated with different nuances of the character.
>be reading DOJG
>reading it front to back looking at the examples and everything
>study for five hours a day listening watching lets plays and reading
>feel completely overwhelmed sometimes at how much further I need to go
>still have to do other real life stuff
What do intermediates do when they feel overwhelmed?
I never, EVER forget the 4 year rule which I described in an earlier post.
Don't worry about how much there is to learn. It'll take years to learn, so just chip in each day and you'll be "there" before you know it. Relax. Enjoy the process. Get a little better each day. Don't worry about it.
I mostly just give up. It becomes a lot easier when you stop trying. You'll improve naturally over time anyway, as long as you are at the point where you can read, understand and enjoy compelling content(tm). Lately language exchanges have been the main thing I have improved from.
I'm proud of you, anon.
Basically, you won't gain perfect fluency before 4 years pass so don't worry too much. For example, if you're 2 years into studies, frame it like - I have two whole years left, no need to worry.
How many reps is it good to start with and when should start to think about whether to increase them?
I always end up taking too many at the beginning because I have a lot of free time, but then the reviews start rolling in and the numbers get really out of hand.
That is pretty much the mental goal that I have been going by. Originally my goal was JRPGs, than as I became older I want to marry a Japanese woman at some point and live a Christian life.
If there is one thing I learned through all this there isn't any wrong or right reasons to learn a language because in four years your motivations for learning will change and you should accept it.
I have had my ups and downs with life distracting it but I still study in some way shape or form. You just have to stick with it and everything you put into it is what you get out of it.
>20 new cards is the optimum good pace.
Maybe if you're also spending a lot of time reading, but in general this is way too slow. At 20 cards a day it will take nearly a year just to get through core6k even without skipping any days.
My cock is small tbqh
5.5 inches I measured the other day
It is thin also.
>At 20 cards a day it will take nearly a year just to get through core6k even without skipping any days.
That's a good pace, considering that he would be learning kanji through either Core or through RTK at the same time. Anything more than 20 cards WILL bring in so many reviews people are liable quit, it's just a fact. That said, anyway, 20 is a good pace either way. It's 29,200 words over four years which is, you know, just about exactly as many as you "need".
Well im in the navy so I will be going over there at some point. I am going to drop avatar right now. I hope to go to Japan one day with this. It really depends on where they need me but most of the people I talk with went to Japan.
I am going to keep in touch after I go through with it to tell you guys if it is a good idea or not. Even if I never go to Japan I at least get tons of travel benefits so it would be cheap.
I might even start writing a studying Japanese journal to highlight my progress as a /djt/ guy. I want to give back in some way I guess.
Have you been studying for three years?
That's really impressive. You're almsot there according to the four year plan.
By journaling I guess I kind of want to make it dramatic a little bit talking about the feelings and what I did to motivate myself and everything.
Nah I over simplified a lot
11 months - Core2k + 750 mined words
10 months - read 30 VNs
Right now - starting lets plays
So I've been studying for 1.76~ years, about to hit the 2 year anniversary. I was implying year 3 would be focused on lets plays like year 2 was focused on reading. As for the 4 year plan, I like it because I'm really stressed out when, for example, I open up a news article and can't follow the vocab, and think "well I'm fucked and I suck", but in truth I still have 2 whole years of lee way. You see after you get to intermediate level it's SO tempting to think "I know Japanese" because you can read moege or follow anime easily even when there's so much you don't know. The 4 year rule keeps your mind focused - it's been 2 years but you still have leeway, you don't know Japanese and that's OK.
To quote the linked thread
>I should have clarified I was mainly referring to people who have been studying productively for all four years, i.e. reading and anki from the very beginning.
Thats a really good mentality to have. Because we shouldn't be surprised that we don't know anything afer one year. That is literally what it said before we started learning Japanese that we won't know anthing for a while but just keep pushing.
I can read most basic JRPGs easy ish but still I feel like I should know more.
Is there any way I can make a word / kanji default when typing the kana?
For example pressing spacebar on かなしい will always give me 悲しい and not one of the 100 emojis I installed in dictionary
>finished 5 whole let's play series in only 4 days
Feels good. It feels kind of like fake studying because I'm just 流れてる the whole thing but I am hoping it just works out somehow as long as I keep up anki
To anyone who knows enough Japanese to watch LPs or videos:
How long did it take you? Are we talking about several years here?
If you want to fully understand everything that's going on, culture references and such included, we're easily talking about 5+ years. If you want to just barely scrape by and pick out some phrases here and there, maybe 5 months...
And when you factor in that not everyone studies at the same pace it becomes an impossible question to answer.
Going on to 10+ years study for me and I can understand about 70% of everything I watch. I have no formal academic study, it's all self-study.
I also travel to Japan every year.
Still can't read though :(
Can somebody help me?
I've been trying to watch this LP series.
Under normal circumstances I would be able to understand what's being said, but since it's being spoken by one of those text-to-speech bots I can't understand anything she's saying.
I don't know whether it's talking too fast or if the way it speaks confuses me, but either way I have no idea what she's saying.
Is there a way to overcome this?
JTMW is good though. About the only "bad" thing about it is that is uses romaji, and that's barely a problem since anyone using it (assuming they do realkana or something as the guide recommends) likely has learned the kana already.
>not knowing the joys of reading
Oh Lain bear, what are you doing. It's not too late, start with anki today. Good news, you'll already know a lot of the words but now you'll be able to read them.
>monotone, no rhytm
>talks really fast
Looks like you picked the last boss of let's plays. Good luck. I don't know if this helps but I'm able to understand most of it, but it's not easy.
Can 言ってられない mean something like "meaningless"?
The only thing I can think of is he's saying that of anything happened to the Queen, then there'd be no point for the bell, but wouldn't that be 意味かない? So what then is 言ってられない?
So am I understanding this right, that japanese people associate concepts of "before" and "earlier" in time with "in front of", "beyond", or "after" spatially?
Seems very strange to me.
Bit late, but it's the same shit in English, and that has always confused me too (as a native English speaker). It's a bit difficult conceptually, but consider these two sentences:
Before noon is when he woke up.
Before him lay a pile of dog poop.
In the first instance "before" means "prior" temporally, and in the second instance it means "in front of" spatially. Like I said, same shit. I don't like it either but maybe thinking of it this way will help you.
I haven't touched a grammar guide in over a year, except two brief references to Imabi for two classical Japanese phenomenon. Only did Tae Kim + DOJG deck. Let it go anon.
It could become a habit and my cards per day could drop and eventually I'll not learn Japanese and I'll never get to play my eroge or read my LNs, eventually with the loss of the light at the end of the tunnel I'll give up on my dreams of finding a happy life for me and my own and instead go back to school for computer science, because even though I hate everything about it I'm good at it and it pays well, then after decades of working for an enterprise corporation writing awful Java code I'll have a stroke from my obesity caused by my eating to compensate for my lack of enjoyment in life, and I'll end up dead with my now upper middle class kids and wife mourning not the loss of me, a person who loved life, but my money because that person who loved life died with my resolve to learn Japanese.
As the light fades from the stroke, I won't be able to remember anything. I'll struggle for any Japanese word and the sounds will slip away, despite me knowing what the Kanji flitting at the edges of my vision mean.
Then it turns out there is an afterlife, and it's being forced into IT for all eternity as my punishment for a sinful life, and I wasted my only chance to experience new things and lay in the sunshine reading my weeb books in their native tongue, as a forever slave away in the hellish forge of IT fire in what is truly hell.
>It could become a habit and my cards per day could drop and
>Then it turns out there is an afterlife, and it's being forced into IT for all eternity as my punishment for a sinful life
>skipping 3 new cards
English-only peasants, some of them got hurt by it so they tried to make ESL their own derogatory term. It hasn't really worked out since everyone else knows that understanding multiple languages is a good thing.
Applying to internships right now, the only 2 interviews I've ever done were in person. I'm so scared of skype interviews and I know I'm probably going to need to do one. I'd much rather do it over the phone. I always manage to look like shit on webcam.
>In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb. However, in the U.S.A the spelling “practice” is more often used for both the noun and the verb. Contrary to popular belief a significant minority of the American population also observe the distinction. If you are not sure about what a verb or noun is, it might be safer to just use the spelling "practice", as many Americans do!
Huh, I didn't know that. But still, according to this he was using it wrong. Not that it really matters. It's just a minor mistake.
Has anyone here ever learned Japanese to watch anime, read manga/LN or play games only to realize most of it sucks?
I feel like I've been losing interest in anime lately but am still trying because there are some manga and games I want to play. I just want some confirmation that it would be worth it to keep me going.
>Over 30% according to the strawpoll we did.
Please tell me you're autistic.
No, I mean nobody except an autist would take a strawpoll so seriously as to bring it up in this context. People lie on polls for the lulz, especially since wanikani is already a meme. I know I did.
So this mangaka puts little random quips/jokes above his name each chapter, but not sure what this one is trying to get across.
All I can find is that サクラップ is something that shitty Arashi boyband does in their songs or something. What's the joke with 炸裂 meant to be besides the fact the first half of both words are the same?
- Worse information than commonly-used anki decks
- Worse repetition system than anki
- Locked ecosystem
- Recommending subscriptions to people who are literally incapable of following directions is beyond unethical, it's evil
It's the only real evidence we. Not that it really matters if there's a substantial portion of WK users here or not. Wanikani should be mentioned in the guide on its own merits, of which there are plenty, despite what the hivemind here in DJT is trying to force.
>It's the only real evidence we.
Treating that as evidence is literally worse than not having evidence.
>Wanikani should be mentioned in the guide on its own merits, of which there are plenty
It has exactly one merit: spoonfeeding people to each them how to use flashcards properly. Everything else it does is objectively worse than the alternatives.
>despite what the hivemind here in DJT is trying to force.
Kill yourself, shill.
7 months for me, finished 6k + a thousand or so words into mining, read through a couple of games and LNs and a ton of manga, can watch most jikkyous that aren't heavily accented, understanding most of it. It's not as fun as watching anime, though, no idea why you fags are so crazy for them.
I thought the guide was pretty good until I saw this.
Japan is not a magic utopia where poorfags don't exists, and where poorfags exist orphans also exist.
There's still plenty of kids in Japan, the birthrate problem is massively overblown, it's on decline because there were way too fucking many kids during the previous generations thanks to the economic boom, it's quite natural.
Both sides have false flaggers, shitposters, and genuine posts, so it's not really easy to tell what's a serious post or not anymore. I don't really know why we suddenly got bombarded with wanikani discussion in December unless a shitposter got really bored and started forcing it as a meme / to piss people off or if we have legitimate shills in the thread. There's no other good reason to suddenly see such a massive increase in discussion about it.
I wonder if he's the one who started this stupid WK bullshit
It was really a perfect storm of false flaggers, reposts from Reddit and incessant retaliation and attempts at debunking Wanikani which just ended up fanning the flames even more.
Gurigura a best. I give all of my power-ups to her (except for shit like magic which is useless to her) and let her constantly equipped with a +20% exp accessory just to make her into a loli killing machine.
So I just started like 5 minutes ago and learned like 5 Hiraganas. I checked out the different type setting and holy shit I didn't realize how much of a difference there is between them.
"i" can look like い and like in pic related? I understand English and almost every other written language has different fonts. Which one would I be best starting with for Japanese?
While she's great as a girl I don't feel she's actually that good in fights since her damage output is relatively low. Plus that 50% assassination technique always fucking fails me at the critical time.
>how much of a difference
It's not that much of a difference.
>Which one would I be best starting with for Japanese?
Start with the one you're currently using. It doesn't matter much. Remember that き and さ can be written both with a full half circle at the bottom and more like こ. That seems to be the biggest thing that throws people off.
It goes from one line to two, that's double the difference. I picked up on it pretty quick and its not too confusing to memorize for these simple characters. But I feel like its going to throw me off a lot when I get into more complex characters where small details might matter more.
She's almost as good as Asuta (Aste?) in terms of attack power, it's just that her attack skills are sub-par in comparison. I only buff her up for fun of course, the game is easy enough that I can fool around like this and still breeze my way through it, It's not like I'm trying to optimize my party or anything.
>Plus that 50% assassination technique always fucking fails me at the critical time.
I never use that because of how unreliable it is, but if I were to use it I'd equip the skill which makes it into 70% kill. The fact that this skill costs 4 points is one of the reasons I decided to dump assassination all together.