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What did Asuka mean with her final line? Am I missing something here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BhqoSajnPI
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You should watch Asuka's introduction again.
NGE is circular.
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>>136289983
morning sickness
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KIMOCHI WARUI
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>>136289983
> All minds and memorys merged into one while on instrumentabilty
> Rei pull out the couple from it
> ASUKA REMEMBER THAT FAP SCENE!

I am not kidding, Anno specified for Asuka voice actor the context when she asked.
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Is Kimochi Warui the "for you" of /a/?
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>>136289983
she realize her and shinji are the only one that choose to came back and she finds it disgusting that she only came back cause of selfishness and she and shinji are the new adam and eve
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>>136289983
Asuka's disgusted with Shinji.

Post-EOE, he's not exactly her favorite person, and she's stuck with just him - nobody else.
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>>136292230
Wait, were they really the only people who come back?
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>>136292399
Of course not. They're the only ones we see come back, but everyone else has the ability to.
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>>136289983
She's a dumb psychotic bitch.
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>>136292415
So what you are saying is that shinji and asuka are the only ones that came back. So until it is disproved we are in a state of which only shinji and asuka are back
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>>136289983
its called tsun dere
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>>136292465
>If it's not shown on screen it doesn't happen
Stop being retarded. Yui explicitly says everyone can come back. It's retarded to believe that only Shinji and Asuka have that will to return out of the entirety of humanity.
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>>136292184
Not at all.
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>>136292367
She's so sickened by him that she doesn't lie down somewhere else or raise her good hand against him.
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>>136292501
why
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>>136293368
Because /tv/ spams their "for you" all over their place (and other places).
While (almost) everybody on /a/ knows about kimoichi warui, it's not really an omnipresent meme. Not even NGE threads are plastered with it.
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>>136293453
But we have as many Eva threads as /tv/ have bane threads. So, is Eva the Bane of /a/?
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>>136294519
That is very possible, especially with the Asuka vs Rei stuff.
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>>136290400
Ebin, simply ebin.
Fuck off.
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>>136292449
Dumb butthurtposter.
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>>136295181
He's right desu
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>>136289983
She hates Shinji to the core, but can't help but feel something for him

Pretty gross, really
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>>136295248
But he isn't you dumb baitshit.
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>>136295373
If you're already calling somebody else's post bait, there's not really a need for you to reply.
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>>136289983
She is disgusted at Shinji for fapping to her, and the two of them being alike deep down.

So, in the end, until she can learn to love herself (just like Shinji), she can never love another person, let alone the only one left in the world.
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>>136289983
He didn't wash his hand after masturbating.
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>>136296414
that's why Asuka is disgusted
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She came to the conclusion that she relies on Shinji, yes the same beta faggot with all the problems and he relies on her. Pretty much they need each other.
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>>136296435
Shipperfags please die.
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meme anime with forced motifs and metaphysical pseudo-banter constructed to invoke cognitive thought by vaguely mentioning key plot details while distracting from them with abstract background art

aka pretentious/shit anime
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>>136296573
>tripfag
Filtered.
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>>136296573
Filtered.
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didnt he whack off to her while she was in a coma or something, and i dont really know how she found out but the ending line was just "disgusting" for that reason i guess?

I looked it up again and it said mostly that it connects to where shes in the bathroom and she screams "who wants to take a bath that misato and shinji also took a bath in" or something like that also.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckkZihQUaU
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>>136297689
No.
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>>136297689
It's not funny
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>>136297844
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
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>>136297936
Don't derail threads by reacting to bait on /a/.
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>>136289983
Let's wrap this up before we get raided by the Kaworufags, shall we?
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>>136298040
>Implying Kaworu isn't best girl
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>>136298140
>Implying Shinji isn't best girl
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>>136298040
>>136298140
>>136298198

You're little more than vultures swooping in after "neo-eva", the canonically best girl of NGE is always Rei Ayanami.
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>>136298329
This.
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>>136298140
>>136298329
>>136298040
>not Mari
Hi, Reddit
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>>136298329
Asuka has always been the best girl
I bet you also like Sakura
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>>136292449
This is not the correct answer but it's still true.
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>>136298419
Marifags and Kaworufags are the kings of shitposting and derailing in Eva threads
You are like aussies on /pol/
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>>136296435
Die, Kimochi warui.
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>>136298040
Might as well. Asuka a best.
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>>136298419
I unironically enjoy Mari's onscreen presence. She's also a major cute. She's also a total IPEA mystery which leaves the potential for interesting plot developments.
Mari is fucking cute, Nyaa Nyaa Nyaa
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>>136298437
Never once has Asuka been best girl. Rei has always been Asuka's superior in virtually every way.

Like I said, you are but a vulture swooping in twenty years too late.
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>>136298625
You can lie to yourself all you want, revisionist. Rei has remained a shit.
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>best girl
>not Misato
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>>136298551
All of you fags are suck.
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>>136298767
You're the revisionist here pal.

Any elaborate discussion on their character will conclude that Rei is the best girl. I have this as my infallible proof.

I will always be able to prove my claim, and you can only get worked up and frustrated over losing and resort to memes and outright lies.
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>>136298883
If I didn't know any better, I might have considered this a subtle bait. I'm glad you can convince yourself of anything, eponymous Reifag autist, but just because no one really wants to waste time with you doesn't mean you're a victor of anything.
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>>136298625
Examples of superiority? Asuka is best girl.
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>>136298883
>>136298800
>>136298767
>>136298625
>>136298622
>>136298593
>>136298437
>>136298419
>>136298375
>>136298329
Just a reminder that this shit is the reason Anno hates us.
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>>136289983

It is when Hideaki Anno asked Asuka's seiyuu (Not the exact quote) "If a man broke into your house while sleeping, he surely would choose to rape you for being too vulnerable, but chose to just jack off instead and leave, what will be your reaction?"
"K I M O C H I W A R U I"
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exactly as it meant, she's disgusted
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>>136298951
There comes the lies and frustration, thank you.

>>136298965
Superior strength of will and calm, among many others.
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>>136298985
Nah, Anno only hates Reifags because they like Rei while he doesn't.

Anno "hates the fan" is a meme that needs to die.
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>>136298985
Let him hate. I couldn't care less. He made something I enjoy, and I'm gonna enjoy, bait and shitpost about it until I die.

>>136298997
They aren't examples of superiority, they're personality traits. Don't be a mong.
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>>136298997
>lies and frustration
>strength of will
>admits her disposability and kills herself
Okay then.
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>>136298965
>posting Shikinami with "best girl" as filename
>proving that asukafags are just bandwagoners who can't differentie asuka from shikinami
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>>136298985
Except that Anno is in no position of giving lessons to anyone considering in what state he went in with the Nadia scandal.
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>>136296517
>not being able to read
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>>136299048
>They aren't examples of superiority, they're personality traits. Don't be a mong.
Personality traits that are superior by definition.

Don't be a mong.

>>136299064
Takes strength to admit the truth regardless of how hurtful it is. Rei never lied to herself and said she was something else than she was.
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>>136299079
>I literally only put that up because it was the first image I happened across
>Implying I don't think Soryu is better
>Implying that an image matters more than the post

>>136299133
Personality traits make the person, not their actions which denote worth. C'mon mate, just give us your examples of her superiority
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>>136299118
>extrapolating on titlecards
Evageeks please go.

>>136299133
Your mental gymnastics are humorous, I'll give you that.
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>>136299045
In all seriousness, doesn't he have some kind of resentment towards all the fans, not just the Rei fags? I remember reading something once about how he has a strong hatred of otakus, but than a lot of articles about him seem to tell different stories.
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>>136299180
>trying to cover up for his fuckup
Any genuine Asukafag would never have labeled Shikinami as "best girl".
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>>136299274
>yet more implications
>implying I name the file
>implying I rename files
>implying I name any files
Yeah, you're right. It was damage control for real.
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>>136299214
Nah, that's it.
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>>136299341
Wasn't there something about the amount of merch and general commercialisation of the characters and designs too? ie: that badass popcorn tub that I legitimately want
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>>136299181
It's called basic logic and reasoning, which may be "gymnastic" for someone such as yourself who never practice it.

We have now found you being frustrated and irrational, just as predicted.

>>136299180
>Personality traits make the person, not their actions which denote worth. C'mon mate, just give us your examples of her superiority
I gave you some as requested, and it is precisely their actions (or inaction) which defines them. Remember you set no boundaries or requirements to the examples of superiority, hence you cannot retroactively add them.

You have gotten your examples, and you have admitted to them.

Rei is the superior character.
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>>136299421
>I gave you some as requested, and it is precisely their actions (or inaction) which defines them. Remember you set no boundaries or requirements to the examples of superiority, hence you cannot retroactively add them.
>You have gotten your examples, and you have admitted to them.
>Rei is the superior character.
I think if you go back, you'll find that I admitted you gave me personality traits, I'm sorry if you misunderstood my request, but I was looking for demonstrable examples of superiority, through action or inaction. I probably should have made that more clear.
I would also argue that the personality traits don't ultimately define a person or influence their actions or inactions. But I think we can both agree that's a discussion for another time, another place and probably another board
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>>136299420
No, Anno is grabbing all the cash he can. He has only ever been dismissive of those things in two cases:

1- The case where a fan told him he spent all his money on evangelion merchandise. Anno said he was a fool and should study more.

2- He brought up the purchase of figurines by Rei fans as an attempt to get closer to the character because she isn't real, with the usual amount of "reifags suck" rhetoric.
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>>136299421
Plugging your ears and calling your mental gymnastics by a different name doesn't make them something else.
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>>136299214
A lot of the 'fan hating' I think is just Anno being banter in interviews as he constantly contradicts himself on it.
There's so many people who keep suggesting that 3.0 was to piss off the fans and because of the backlash he'll never make Final but I think it was really fucking weird and that final's delayed because he got offered fucking Godzilla.

It's like people read into some shit on EvaGeeks like 'deep professional analysis' into Annos' psyche and suddenly start spreading it everywhere like group psychosis.
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>>136299607
Fair enough
>the usual amount of "reifags suck" rhetoric.
I chuckled heartily
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>>136299658
I enjoyed 3.33
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>>136299575
You merely wanted examples of any nature. You've got them.

Anything else is a topic for further discussion if you so wish. However, it is a matter of fact that Rei's personality traits are defined and proved by her actions, so we've already inherently covered the topic you wanted to discuss anyway.

>>136299626
I provide arguments and provable facts, you claim nothing but ad-hominem.
Sorry anon, but you being in denial like this doesn't help your case at all.

It makes you look worse.
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>>136299744
>You merely wanted examples of any nature. You've got them.
I disagree.
>However, it is a matter of fact that Rei's personality traits are defined and proved by her actions, so we've already inherently covered the topic you wanted to discuss anyway.
I still want you to give examples rather than reiterating your point
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>>136299744
>provable facts
Rei understanding her shittiness may be a provable fact, but it doesn't make her superior in any manner. in fact, it means even she recognizes her lowliness. Hence why I mention your mental gymnastics trying to twist this into her being strong for being truthful.
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>>136299658
3.0 is otaku-pandering draped in dark colors that serve as a smokescreen to divert attention away from that.

Anno did set out to piss of or please fans all depending on who their favorite character is.
Three years late it is the only consistent divide between fans.
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>>136299789
>I disagree.
You have no right to. I quote you here:
>Examples of superiority?
which ends this part of the debate.

>I still want you to give examples rather than reiterating your point
Do you concede the earlier point then? If we settle that we can move on I guess.

>>136299793
>Rei understanding her shittiness may be a provable fact, but it doesn't make her superior in any manner. in fact, it means even she recognizes her lowliness. Hence why I mention your mental gymnastics trying to twist this into her being strong for being truthful.

Mental gymnastics is twisting what was said into something that was never said, as you did in your first sentence with "understanding her shittiness".

In fact, that disqualifies your entire argument as just the usual amount of irrational rei-hater butthurt. Try again, if you will.
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>>136296414

who does?
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>>136299955
>re-wording
How hypocritical. My argument was consistent with what I've been laying down, yours wasn't. You're just butthurt at the truth.
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>>136299955
>I disagree.
You have no right to. I quote you here:
>Examples of superiority?
which ends this part of the debate.

Once again, I disagree. And I concede no point other than you gave examples of her personality. You're yet to substantiate them in any meaningful way.
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>>136300065
Refer to >>136299955

You have gotten exactly what you asked. Until you concede that fact, you are effectively admitting to being dishonest and incapable of carrying on a rational discussion.

>>136300043
You have no argument as it stands right now. You do have the chance to make one still, I will await your response.
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>>136300131
Sounds to me like you're just choosing to ignore it, which is fine if that's how you want to go about it. Certainly isn't any new behavior from you.
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>>136300131
I still hold that you didn't understand my request. By that merit, I don't feel dishonest and nor do I think you've held up your argument by just providing written examples through action or inaction. It's not hard.
You're consistently dodging the question by shifting the focus onto the misunderstanding. Simply give me written examples of her superiority through action or inaction, and we can continue.
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>>136300223
You hear what you want to hear, I am still open to a proper argument coming from you despite your reluctance to provide one.

If you do not want to make a real, tangible argument, it stands to reason that you cannot actually make one. You either make one, or you lose by default.

>>136300277
>I still hold that you didn't understand my request.
Your request leaves no room for error in interpretation. You made a request that was answered correctly.
You may not disagree with the facts anon, if you do - how am I to continue discussion with someone who does not respect proof or evidence? I cannot.

You are dodging admitting defeat for a simple thing, and therefore it stands to reason that you cannot be taken seriously on something more complex and well-argued either.

Concede your point and we may move on.
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>>136300444
>You hear what you want to hear, I am still open to a proper argument coming from you despite your reluctance to provide one.
You are always welcome to follow your own advice.
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>>136300467
I've made mine earlier. You've yet to make yours, and all you're doing is showing that you have nothing but anti-rei butthurt.
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>>136298985
You're also right, but he still can't hate me more than he hates himself and I hate myself tho
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>>136300577
Do you always have to have the last reply anon? Are you really this immature? At this rate it's clear neither of us acknowledges eachother's arguments, so why not drop it with a bit of grace, Reifag? Or are you telling me you're too immature to do so? How about proving me wrong for once and dropping it here?
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>>136300444
>>I still hold that you didn't understand my request.
>Your request leaves no room for error in interpretation. You made a request that was answered correctly.
>You may not disagree with the facts anon, if you do - how am I to continue discussion with someone who does not respect proof or evidence? I cannot.
>You are dodging admitting defeat for a simple thing, and therefore it stands to reason that you cannot be taken seriously on something more complex and well-argued either.
>Concede your point and we may move on.

Nope. You're unwillingness to double back, even for a moment to correct a misunderstanding, is abrasive.
I'm out.
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>>136300910
You are unable to even concede the simplest of points, despite being proven absolutely wrong. Hence you were never going to be able to hold a real conversation to begin with.

You're out, because you just lost. Rei is superior, end of debate.
At least you tried before you showed your true colors.
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>>136301110
About "abrasiveness" anon.
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>>136301139
Rei Ayanami, truly the most complex and beautiful of minds.
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>>136301180
You're out.

Do you want me to double back on that too?
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You all do realize that Evangelion started the whole bullshit with the pussy beta-cuck male character and token tsundere? Though I doubt it meant it to happen, and Shinji and Asuka have actual mental issues, today's anime has perverted that whole theme to new levels of obscenity. In summary: Eva is responsible for the shitty harem romcoms lately.
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>>136301342
I wasn't the poster you were replying to anon, calm down.
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>>136302422
mmmmmhm
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In the original script, the final line was supposed to had been "Anta nankani korosareru nowa mappira yo!" It can be translated "I'd never want to be killed by you of all men, absolutely not!".
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>Reifags
back to reddit
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>>136292465
>What is rebuild
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>>136303008
>butthurt asukafags
Back to gaia
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>Shinji knew that Asuka found out that he fapped to her comatose body
>almost killed her to hide the shame
>right after getting reassembled from LCL
KIMOCHI WARUI
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>>136296573
filtered bye desu
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>>136303327
>butthurt reifag
Hello reddit
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>>136289983
She means whatever you think she means.
Don't rely on others to interpret a show for you, dig down deep and think for yourself.
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>>136289983
>See all of Shinji's masturbation fantasies
>Get eaten by Evas
>Hanging out on a beach with Shinji and Rei's giant head

Most accurate thing she could have said, really.
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Why does Kaworu put the collar on himself? Even if they found the correct lances wouldn't his death, which he alludes to as he puts it on, sabotage their mission anyway?
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>>136307561
Because he's suicidal and killing himself in front of Shinji gives him sexual pleasure.
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Shinji released a fluid at the beginning.
Shinji released another fluid at the end.

He was crying.
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>>136307561
Kaworu is a shit character and 3.33 is a shit movie.
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>>136307694
>Shinji released a fluid at the beginning
So the movie starts and ends with Shinji crying. Huh.
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>>136307561
The Spear of Cassius probably wouldn't have killed him and Seele's plan didn't call for it. It seems like Gendo's fuckery with the other lance made collar recognize him as an Angel and that's what did him in.

Kaworu took it to earn Shinji's trust so he would get in the Eva and fell right into Gendo's trap.
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>>136307825
no the first one was semen

its also possible that shinji preme'd (prematurely ejaculated) when he held asuka because he was so overwhelmed
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>>136289983
She was happy with everybody's minds together in the Tang.
Shinji was afraid of others seeing him for what he was, so he didn't want to go in the Tang with the rest of humanity.
He was also too afraid to live on alone, so he wanted to bring someone from the Tang to live with him. Asuka ends up being the one and she is pissed at him for fucking up, being to much of a pussy to get in the Tang and taking her out of the Tang.

Conclusion? Utena is much better you fucking plebs.
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>>136307889
It's because he fell down to the 13th angel from the 1st angel. That's what made the collar recognize him.
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>>136307968
I think it's time for you to stop posting.
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>>136307968
The scene of Shinji crying is before the masturbation scene though

>>136307979
Shinji doesn't have the ability to take people out of tang. Asuka left of her own strength and will, just like everyone else who will choose to leave the tang.
If Shinji had the power to take people out, he would have probably chosen Misato, Yui, and Kaworu. And maybe Rei.
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>>136307889
Gendo is such a gary stu in Rebuild
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>>136308061
>he would have probably chosen Misato, Yui, and Kaworu. And maybe Rei.
We have no proof of that, plus he wanted to see Asuka now that he thought she was dead (what caused him to go berserk and Third Impact the world up, senpai).

Also, Lilith gave him Asuka, but it is as you said, everyone else will have to get out of their own free will.
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>>136307999
Right.
>Blood type blue from the DSS Choker?
>The anomalous 13th?
>So this was what Gendo-kun was aiming for
Taking out Kaworu leaves Seele completely vulnerable. It was really satisfying to see these old fucks beaten at their own game after EoE.
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ass ooo kah
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>>136308061
I thought Yui wasn't in the tang though, which basically is the cruel punch line for Gendo.
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>>136308284
Lillith didn't "give" him anything you dumb shipping fuckwad.
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>>136308284
>We have no proof of that
Did you even watch the show? Those were the people he was closest to in the entire show.

>he wanted to see Asuka now that he thought she was dead
But he's the one who let her die. And then the next time he saw her he tried to choke her to death in instrumentality. And then again when he saw her on the beach.

>what caused him to go berserk and Third Impact the world up
No, Rei caused Third Impact. Unit 01 sensed Shinji's fear and only called the spear of longinus, but then he got over it a minute later.

People can only leave if they wish too, Lilith doesn't take anyone out unless they want to do it of their own will. Or else Shinji would be surrounded by the ones he loved most on that beach, not Asuka.

>>136308300
Is that an Adam and Eve reference in SEELE's new logo?
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>>136308366
Remember that scene where Shinji says goodbye to his mother? He's floating up to the surface of the water and Yui is sinking down.

I just assumed she was in there, or at least in a higher observing position like Rei.
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>>136292367

The fucking world melted, why this children think only about socializing with boyz and girls
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>>136308112
He only lost at the last minute in End of Evangelion thanks to Rei's sudden rebellious streak, but you have a point.

The only setback he's suffered so far is the loss of Unit 01 which also hurt Seele, and he's managed to recoup that by killing them, their Evas and Kaworu and taking Unit 13 for himself.
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>>136308710
You forgot to mention he also levitates now, probably thanks to "selling his soul" as Fuyu mentioned.

At least Kaworu isn't stuck in his fapping hand now.
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>>136308467
>No, Rei caused Third Impact. Unit 01 sensed Shinji's fear and only called the spear of longinus, but then he got over it a minute later.
Wrong, the impact was well underway before Rei interferes.

Rei stops the impact from being irreversible.
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>>136308838
The impact started when Rei merged with Lilith, and then the MP Evas helped out.
Instrumentality then went underway thanks to solely Rei's influence.
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>>136292184
More like the "Il a dit que vous êtes vraiment "une dégueulasse"." of anime.
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>>136308901
That is wrong.

Before Rei has joined with Lilith, the impact has already begun.

EVA00 has been lifted upwards into the sky, the systema sephirotica has appeared, and the whole geofront has been cleared.

SEELE was going to start 3rd Impact without Lilith, and they do not seem to even know about Rei's possible interference.
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>>136308963
>EVA00
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>>136309068
EVA01 *
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>>136308530
Just rewatched that scene and you're right. I've got no idea how he was able to have that dialogue with Yui despite her soul in Unit 01 floating around in space. Anno is a hack.
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>>136308467
Seems to be. Gendo says they tasted the Fruit of Knowledge and lost their immortality. They also have the All-Seeing Eye and a masonic symbol tramp stamped on the backside of their monoliths.
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>>136309221
Well, there's always been a certain degree of suspension of disbelief required in regards to Eva's plot.
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>>136309221
Did they have that talk before Shinji popped up in the ocean? Shinji was still "inside" Unit 01 during Instrumentality. They cut a scene showing her ejecting the entry plug but her hatch is open and the plug is missing in the last shot.
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>>136309545
I don't think that's hair, but a representation of Yui's immortal soul.
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>>136309589
That's what I thought too, but the script actually calls it hair. Unit 01 a sexy lady now.

Come to think of it, didn't Shinji see a weird long-haired woman during one of his near death experiences?
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>>136309916
>the script actually calls it hair
Does it really?

He does see a vision of a long-haired woman who we assume is his mother, but since Shinji doesn't remember her I thought it could be explained by Shinji imagining her looking like Misato who is the closest mother-figure he has.

But if she actually does have long hair then that solves it, though I wonder why her hair is still short when she appears in front of Gendo.
Maybe animator inconsistency.
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>>136310082
Yeah. It was mentioned in the Last A/B endings too. Unit 01 was lying on the moon with the helmet cracked open and hair spilling out, but her face would still be hidden

>Shinji doesn't remember her I thought it could be explained by Shinji imagining her looking like Misato who is the closest mother-figure he has.

That makes sense. He saw Misato when he was absorbed and tripping balls later too.
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>>136308467
>No, Rei caused Third Impact.

Third Impact had already started before Rei got in on it. This was all SEELE's plan, and they were going to turn everyone into one being.

However, because Rei chose to interfere out of her own will, humanity was granted a choice and so everyone could come back if they could form an image of themselves.

Rei is the heroine that birthed and saved humanity from it's own demise.
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>>136311860
>because Rei chose to interfere out of her own will, humanity was granted a choice
Actually, Shinji was the one who decided to give everyone a choice. Along with Yui.
Rei just did whatever Shinji told her to.
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>>136311995
That's wrong.

Yui didn't do anything as far as the final decision goes, she was merely a passive object that that time fueling EVA01 and the connection with Shinji.

Rei doesn't do what Shinji tells her to, Rei goes on her own to Lilith of her own free will, something made clear in even glossaries given out at the EoE premiere.

Shinji didn't decide to give everyone a choice - Rei did. It is also stated by Fuyutsuki that Rei AKA Lilith will decide here.

>The Black Moon. We do not want to return inside her shell, but that is for Lilith to decide.
-Fuyutsuki

If Rei does not interfere with 3rd Impact, it will complete and all will be tang, without Shinji ever having the chance to do anything about it. SEELE's WIN scenario. Luckily, Rei did interfere and so Shinji was pulled out by Rei and became able to choose whether or not he would stay, affecting all in instrumentality.

Yui is but a passive object trapped within EVA01, from now and forever.
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>>136312279
Rei was the one who forced everyone inside, but Shinji was the one to give everyone the choice, he's the one who told Rei to end it and return him back, and Rei complied and did what he was told.
She did not decide for anyone.
And then Yui said everyone will choose to come back of their own will.
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>>136312363
>Rei was the one who forced everyone inside,
This is quite wrong. Before Rei interferes, everyone was going inside as a matter of course.

But Rei does interfere, and this is not according to SEELE's plan who explicitly states that they will not use Lilith, but EVA01 which is a copy of Lilith.

She is then able to contact the catalyst of EVA01, who is Shinji Ikari and provide him with a choice.
Shinji then chooses to tang everyone, by wishing death upon everyone else. This was Shinji's choice.

However, Rei's continued influence allows Shinji to still have a choice, to return from what was created, or to stay. Shinji chooses to leave.
It is Rei's decision to interfere and provide mankind through Shinji with a choice, to come back or to stay locked in.

In other words, if not for Rei's decision to interfere, mankind would have been goo forever.

>And then Yui said everyone will choose to come back of their own will.
Parroting Rei's earlier words to Shinji in her goodbye. She has no say in anything.
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>>136312586
>Before Rei interferes, everyone was going inside as a matter of course
Nope, Rei merged with Lilith and then forced
everyone into LCL.

>this is not according to SEELE's plan
They don't care either way, Keel looks extremely happy when he gets tanged, saying everything is good. Everyone is becoming one like he wanted, thanks to Rei.

>Shinji then chooses to tang everyone, by wishing death upon everyone else. This was Shinji's choice.
No, Rei/Lilith already has tanged Shinji and everyone else. He says everyone should just die way after he has already been in instrumentality.

>It is Rei's decision to interfere and provide mankind through Shinji with a choice
Where in EoE does it show that Rei was the one to give humanity the choice? That was Shinji, and unit 01.
Keep in mind unit 01 has become god now that she has both fruits, a higher power than Lilith who only has one.

>Parroting Rei's earlier words to Shinji in her goodbye.
Rei never says everyone can come back, she actually tries to convince Shinji to stay. She looks sad when he rejects her and pulls her out of him.
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>>136312785
>Nope, Rei merged with Lilith and then forced everyone into LCL.
This is untrue. Forcing people into LCL was going to happen anyway. Rei is able to hook into the process and communicate with Shinji, the catalyst, giving him a choice rather than merely self-destructing and making the process irreversible.


>They don't care either way, Keel looks extremely happy when he gets tanged, saying everything is good. Everyone is becoming one like he wanted, thanks to Rei.
Not thanks to Rei, he was getting his wish before Rei interferes. See >>136311860
>>136312279
and picture related for instance. It is explained that it will happen without Lilith, and it is also explained that the process has begun before Rei gets involved.

The tanging is initiated, but it is also reversed - thanks to Rei. Rei's interference was never part of their plan.

>No, Rei/Lilith already has tanged Shinji and everyone else. He says everyone should just die way after he has already been in instrumentality.
This is incorrect.

No one gets tanged before Shinji utters those words, and it is only after Rei has questioned Shinji several times on his decision. See EoE around 1h5m in, where it happens.
>Nothing ever changes, so they should all just die!
- Shinji
After that and some more questions from Rei, the tanging begins.

>Where in EoE does it show that Rei was the one to give humanity the choice? That was Shinji, and unit 01.
Unit 01 has no part. It is passive.

It is shown when Rei decides to join Lilith and interfere with the ongoing Instrumentality, if Rei had not done that, there would be no choice. She gives the choice to Shinji, as the catalyst and representative of mankind.

>Rei never says everyone can come back, she actually tries to convince Shinji to stay. She looks sad when he rejects her and pulls her out of him.
She says it before Yui, actually.
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>>136312785
>>136313188
Also, this does not look like a very sad face to me. Rei is smiling here.

On the contrary, Rei always provided a counter to Shinji's self desctructive thoughts:

Shinji: Nobody understands me.
Rei: You never understood anything.
Shinji: I thought this was supposed to be a world without pain, and without uncertainty.
Rei: That's because you thought that everyone else felt the same as you do.
Shinji: You betrayed me! You betrayed my feelings!
Rei: You misunderstood from the very beginning. You just believed what you wanted to believe.
Shinji: Nobody wants me, so they can all just die.

and so on and so on, all the way.
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>>136313188
>>136313266
At this point, see the time in the filename, Rei says:

>Anyone can return to human form as long as they're able to imagine themselves in their own hearts.
- Rei

Then, later, Yui parrots something similar what Rei said.

So all in all, Rei is the heroine whose actions led to the salvation of mankind.
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>>136313188
You should download the blu ray, it looks much nicer.
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>>136313961
Indeed it does
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daym, asukafags and kaworufags btfo in this one
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>>136315603
>daym
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Does the question of "what happens after?" really matter in End of Evangelion? How fucked is the atmosphere/weather determinants and earth itself after third impact? Is this something addressed in the rebuilds?
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Why was shinji trying to kill asuka?
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>>136316150
No questions are answered in the Rebuilds, if anything they raise more questions than NGE did
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>>136318132
Because she wasn't Kaworu
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Didn't she die in the end? So, who cares.
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>>136318132
Shinji couldn't take responsibility for his own mistakes. He had to blame someone and the only person who was there was Asuka.
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>>136313571
Rei sounds disappointed in Shinji and she keeps asking if he's sure, what his hands and heart are for, but she doesn't stop. She doesn't care if Lilim is one thing or three billion, she wants Ikari-kun to have what he wants.
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