>>136281049 I've only played the VN, but the only great part of it is the common route, which is fun as hell. Once you get into an actual route, the game goes full melodrama. If you're into melodrama, I guess you'll like it, otherwise, I suppose not. The only route lacking melodrama (though it isn't actually a route - it's more like a side-rote) is Yukine's, and that one is really good. It's a shame she wasn't a main character.
They're very good at what they do, and I love all of their works, some more than others, some for different reasons than others. However, I'd like to see their approach at something more like Uchouten Kazoku or Shinsekai Yori. KyoAni is good with serious tones, but I can't see them dealing with more folkloric or fantastic themes, nor can I imagine any of their directors being outstanding at anything outside of the style of shows they've put out already. I wonder if any of their future directors will have more artsy styles, maybe Ishidate, maybe Utsumi (if she's even there anymore).
The good: Good, sometimes great animation Good writing Excellent character design They take chances with material, adapting semi-obscure stuff and making it successful
The bad: They have a definite style of production and animation, and have limited themselves in the scope of what they try to accomplish. While the studio and their talent is capable of doing sweeping epic things, they choose to focus on high school slice of life stuff. I hope that their production staff will some day take on a project which challenges them to animate something different, historical drama or sci fi epic or something Their style has been copped by other studios who mistakenly think that it's the cute girls that sell shit rather than the fun and/or engaging stories and characters, leading to a glut of same-y shiny-eyed high school rom-com slice of life crap
-Fuuko focused episodes of Clannad -Endless Eight -The horrid slow pace and tons of unused potential of Hyouka and K-On -Nichijou felt like it was purposefully trying to have bad flow to make it more 'random' -Most of their recent shows are pure pandering, on the level of Studio Xebec
I just feel like the shows could have been handled better. Some other shows with a lot lower budgets have had better flow and more variety in shots. KyoAni has amazing animation, but very inconsistent story progression. And their directors have said multiple times that they do it on purpose to be 'different'.
>>136283410 I seriously feel bad for you if you think you know anything about me just from one image I decided to post. I never said why I posted it, I never said what I was referring to with that image, it could have been that cut, it could have been the whole show, I didn't even say the show was good, if anything, I would be talking about the direction, not the whole show. But yet you draw the conclusion you think is the worst.
>>136283631 >talk about direction >someone replies with one image >hurr how dare you say this show is good? you have such a shit taste I can't believe you hold all these opinions that you never even mentioned
Post a smug anime girl, like that makes you any better
>>136283546 >-The horrid slow pace and tons of unused potential of Hyouka and K-On I thought the slower pace was appropriate for both shows, K-On!! especially. I'm not sure what you mean by unused potential. >-Nichijou felt like it was purposefully trying to have bad flow to make it more 'random' Bad flow? I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean how the episodes are discretely divided into individuals skits without attempts at forming continuity between them? Isn't that how the manga is? It seems an appropriate approach for a gag comedy like Nichijou.
>>136283546 K-on is very fast paced, though. First season covers two years. Season two covers half the time in double the episodes, but it's still fast paced in the sense that things get done quickly. Also character dynamics aren't really "slow", not is the dialogue boring.
Hyouka is admittedly much slower, but this allows it to add many many details that make it great, and make rewatches very enjoyable. It also adds a lot to its atmosphere, and it fits the theme of the show, as well as Oreki's mantra.
I'd say Production IG has the best combination of good plot and good animation. Of course, plenty of their shows are still bad. But their good shows have a solid mix of both good animation and good story. Especially the Ghost in the Shell team.
KyoAni on the other hand...I can only cite maybe three examples which had both good animation and good plot development. And two of those still have a large chunk of the show which could have been better.
I'd honestly like to see what could be done if Production IG and KyoAni teamed up to make a show. But KyoAni is so anti establishment, they wouldn't allow it. Ironic since they have become the establishment.
Entire episodes will consist of the characters sitting around a table eating cake. It is the opposite of 'fast'.
Does a show need to be fast? Not really. Working is also somewhat slow. Some would compare it to a dry British comedy. But the difference is, Working had more development to the characters. And didn't spend 10 minutes just focusing on a character rolling around in a sleeping bag or eating a cake.
>>136285409 From a standpoint of business practices and production strategy, Kyoani is still far from the norm. They don't contract outside directors, writers, or animators very often. Their staff is relatively small and tight knit, and they work on a fairly small number of shows relative to the size of their studio. They also have been showing a concerted effort to train and develop new talent in the industry. Now some of these things are arguably not in the company's best interest or may not lead to the best possible shows, but to claim Kyoani is the establishment is patently false.
>>136285449 They had very good flow even if they weren't plot heavy. Character development isn't everything, or necessary. K-On did what it set out to accomplish, the shows after are the ones with horrible pacing.
>>136285626 The characters in K-on are quite well developed. Their actions say quite a bit about their character and if you pay attention during the show there's quite a bit of nuance and depth to the interaction between the characters.
They sold out. Look at the cheap crap they're producing now. Instead of making intelligent, classy and memorable female characters, they choose to make girls in skimpy clothes whose sole purposes are to sell lewd figurines and produce gangrape doujin. New KyoAni discussion threads now consists exclusively of people posting lewd pictures and writing "MUH DICK".
>>136285724 Love Story and Eupho fit in nicely with the rest of their golden age works. I don't really get how someone could praise stuff like Hyouka but ignore the good ones that came after. Koe no Katachi has a lot going for it, too.
KyoAni has set many industry trends which have become the norm. They have become the standard by trying not to be the standard. That's what I meant by establishment. its much like how Rap became the focus of the music industry, while trying to rebel against it.
In a way, its a compliment. You have to go against trends to establish a new trend. And KyoAni did that. Very few companies ever attempt this. Like the American TV market which has been playing it safe for 15 years now.
>>136286267 Yes, a few of their shows are highly influential, but the way Kyoani is run is completely different from how most studios are run. Stylistic and artistic influence is not really what we're talking about here and not what people generally talk about when referring to "the establishment."
>>136286412 >KyoAni fanboys got so butthurt by the KyoAnus bingo that they made a SHAFT bingo in response >somehow it's the shitposters forcing a rivalry instead of the KyoAni fanboys' defense mechanisms Just look at the post I quoted you illiterate KyoAni shitter
Establishment is term with two meanings. Most people use it as a generic term to mean 'the man' or 'the industry'. But its other definition is 'something or someone that establishes something'. Which is exactly what KyoAni has done. It has set many of the trends the industry now tries to imitate.
They have become the establishment by trying to go against it.
If /a/ didn't exist, most of their shows recently wouldn't be worth a watch. But we all have to watch each of their shows because everyone else is. There's no backing out or else you'll be left out of the funposting.
I feel some resentment for having to watch shows as they were airing that ended up frankly being bad. This is silly but I have a feeling others here have gone through the same. Kyoani doesn't deserve to be hated but it's time overdue /a/ stops giving the benefit of the doubt to every last thing their name is attached to.
After Nichijou and Hyouka, I stopped bothering. I don't care about being part of the /a/ community if it involves watching shows I don't like. And honestly, most of the shows /a/ obsesses over are bad.
The irony is, the few KyoAni shows I did like, such as Haruhi or Clannad, gained a huge hate following on /a/ for being too popular. Maybe even for being good.
>>136280167 >2003, 2005 Looking back, FMP's design has aged pretty damn well, for a decade and a half. Can't fucking believe that Air is newer than FMP. Or they might be tried too hard to be faithful with the source material, then ended up making hideous as shit QUALITY animation. Jesus, man. I wonder how next FMP will be like.
>>136280167 Why are they rich and sitting on the top? It's because they've figured out the formula. Its been tried and tested, proven to be successful. Sure they're getting samey but you can't blame them for sticking with what works. They'll continue to rake in the money for the next decade until everyone's practically apathetic to it. When that time comes some new rogue company will take its place. That's why people were so hyped about studio Trigger when it produced Kill la Kill. They thought it would "save" anime by bringing in some new meta but sadly it wasn't good enough.
>>136292808 >Phantom World Jesus, hold you orgasms musume, we're only two episodes in Anyway Amagi Brilliant Park alone blows away all the others imho, except maybe for Psycho Pass which was a fun watch (but still worse)
>>136292398 Nah, just this place makes me caucious when it comes to talking about anything even slightly personal. Anyways, I like unique, stylized visual designs (stuff by Nakamura or Yuasa), narratives with surreal elements to them (Anno, early Oshii, ABe/Ueda colaborations. Plus in terms of genre I really like cyberpunk especially the more subtle stuff that came with GITS and after it, sometimes called post-cybepunk. Plus strong, sexy female characters.
Best studio in term so animation, and aesthetic when they want to (e.g., Hyouka, Hibike). They put out great series like the aforementioned, but also they go through those periods where they put out average series in terms of plot (e.g., Chuuni, Amaburi, Phantom World, Tamako series). Even if they aren't great, they are still fun watches and still worth watching just for the animation and aesthetic.
It's pretty silly how much hate they get when they're honestly putting out pretty innocuous stuff. KyoAni fanboys are most likely being facetious most of the time, and they do it because they know it riles up the KyoAni haters. And in my opinion, the haters who are actually serious are way worse than the fanboys. KyoAni just gets targeted the most because they are supposedly the face of moe and SoL that those kinds of people hate. Pretty sure if Aria was being adapted for the first time and by KyoAni, those kind of people who needlessly hate like clockwork.
Stuff like Phantom World is enjoyable for what it is as long as you don't have a stick up your ass.
>>136280167 Depends on the show. They have great visuals, but their sameface can be a problem. Some of their shows were good, but some were bad (like KnK). They generally do tend to have good OPs and EDs for their shows, though.
They're the only studio where I'll check out their work for the season just because it's Kyoani. I tend to really like how their series starts. Great animation with a lot of personality and an interesting premise.
The main problem that a lot of the recent shows suffer from is that they don't know how to end it. The build up to the season climax is poor and the endings all tend to feel incomplete and unfulfilling.
The last 2 shows that I thought ended well were K-on!! and Amaburi.
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