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Being and working in America, it's very important to work hard, work smart and work in a certain way. France and Europe has, with the tradition and culture, it's slow-moving and it's not always good.
Remember that wanikani is the key to success! Wanikani-chan is rooting for you!
Is it better to learn from something easy, or something hard?
Trying to decide if I should read a 4koma manga (has furigana, for starters, and is manga) or a LN (I can use rikai, but there's still a lot more text and grammar). The former might be less of a grind, but I stand to learn more from the latter.
What would you do, /djt/?
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
I did mine just the other day, still quite a bit behind. Still planning to try for N3 by the next round of tests, though.
For someone just starting to learn, is it alright to only use Anki with these decks, or am I setting myself up for failure?
recently made the switch to anki from wanikani.
how am I doing?
1 - Tae Kim himself says to not worry about memorizing the vocabulary he uses. You'll be better off sticking to a long-term, optimized, well-balanced deck like Core2k/6k.
2 - The DOJG deck contains every single concept that Tae Kim covers, plus about 400 more, so long-term it's better, and with Anki you should always think of the long term. You won't want to do EITHER grammar deck, though, until you have a grasp on everything Tae Kim covers in the first place.
Not him, but there's no reason to do the Tae Kim vocab deck when the guide itself has vocab lists in each lesson. Tae Kim in entry level grammar, the DOJG deck covers all entries on the three grammar dictionaries. It's quite complete and well put together.
In wanikani i would usually get 90-95% right on my reviews.
On anki I'm down 10 percent at least. Not going to lie those mnemonics are hella helpful. Also on the core deck I delete notes that I feel are too easy or burnt on wanikani.
Jesus Christ, this shit again?
newfag here. know hirigana, working on katakana/tae kims
downloaded the core deck. Is it suppose to look like this, which do I do, just the first one? (it has 9567 cards)
That's a problem with you then. Based on the current JLPT levels, you should be able to pass the 5 from below a 100.
This was useful to me; I think a lot of people start with flyable heart.
>If you can't 100% understand everything you shouldn't be reading.
Hanahira used to be a common recommendation for baby's first VN not too long ago, not as much nowadays. Also >>136277633.
Personally, I played Wanko to Kurasou before everything and it was pretty good as a first VN. Also, it has Mikan. Don't you love Mikan?
あなたはアナルセックスがしたいば、ライン: monstrank、 メール: [email protected]
>"Shoot - and your wish will come true. But one of the bullets is real. Pull the trigger if you're ready to risk your life."
>Deep below Akihabara, a version of Russian roulette called the Kagome Game is being played on New Year’s Eve 2010. Six people take turns shooting a gun called Axanael, which has the ability to grant wishes. However, there is a price for equaling the hopes, and it is paid by one of the players' lives.
Axanael does sound pretty interesting
No it's not, if you're wrong it's because you don't understand a word or grammar and in either case it's really obvious that'd you're not fully understanding, so it's easy to fix
The group that has linguistics academia behind them: the input group.
Of course, "conscious" study helps kick start things and makes you go faster, but you need input to move at all. If your conscious study is stalling your input study then you have a problem
Start from the base up. Begin with the foundations and work your way up. begin with Kana and then move on to readings and then compounds.
"conscious" study -> checking all the words and grammar manually and asking people to correct your "translations".
And when you stop reading because you're checking things too hard, you're failing to study language.
I used scare quotes so it can mean whatever I want. If you're upset about this, kill yourself.
My mother and sister were killed by a fucking drunk driver 3 days ago, I wasn't in the car with them because I decided to stay at home and do my reps. Give me one good reason not to kill myself tomorrow, my dad left when I was 4 too.
No, you need to kill yourself for giving shitty advice.
Who in their right mind thinks you should just sit there and not understand anything and expect to learn the fuckin' language.
>No, you need to kill yourself for giving shitty advice.
No, *you* need to kill *your*self for giving shitty advice.
>Who in their right mind thinks you should just sit there and not understand anything and expect to learn the fuckin' language.
Did you miss the "intelligible"? 50% is not "not understanding anything". 50% is enough, and easy. 100% is completely unnecessary. You will not understand 100% of what you read until you are postfluent. If you try you will fail horribly AND think you understand things that you don't.
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
But you should finish this one first.
>Give me one good reason not to kill myself tomorrow
If she had a life insurance policy you're about to get a lot of financial aid and will be able to live a comfortable life, which is what she probably would have wanted. The chances of your suicide failing and simply bringing you more suffering is statistically likely. Strong emotions such as despair over death are proven to fade over time, so if you wait it out long enough you won't feel as *painfully* bad about their deaths as much and will be glad you didn't kill yourself. That said if you want to die go for it.
No shithead if you're sitting there saying OH WELL I ONLY UNDERSTOOD 50% OF X OR Y IT'S OK I"LL UNDERSTAND MORE IN 5 YEARS
What a waste of time and fuck you for suggesting that, you need to LEARN the language before READING. This is FACT.
You seem to be thinking too autistically about language learning.
I'm guessing you're interested in learning to write/speak japanese too rather than just read/understand it like most people here, and so you're being overly paranoid about picking up bad habits. But you shouldn't be projecting that onto everyone else.
Whether or not I'm right about you wanting to learn to speak japanese you're still going to take WAY longer to learn japanese than others will, if you keep thinking this way.
The language processing in your brain isn't handled in the same parts that logic and reason are. If you keep treating language like it's a math problem then you're never going to be fluent, and speaking japanese to you is going to be painful and slow because you'll be consciously trying to recall rules and shit.
Learning language is just different, you need to dive in and absorb real native material for it to sink in properly at all.
Besides the fact that I know nothing about you or your motivations, I can't give you a reason. That's something you have to do for yourself. Perhaps you could get good at Japanese. (Dekinai willing.)
>Learning language is just different, you need to dive in and absorb real native material for it to sink in properly at all.
In fact, this is *the only way* to learn language that works for absolutely everyone. Every single other method will fail if the person has something somewhere wrong in their head. But if you have the ability to post in this thread right here and now, *you can learn language by absorbing normal material, because that's how you learned in the first place*. No, the ability doesn't go away when you're an adult, that phenomenon is solely that adults have to work instead of sit on their ass and get instructed in their own language all day.
Wow way to deflect you piece of shit, why don't you try actually READING my argument before acting like a shithead?
www.google.com google it shithead, I'm not your mother.
Listen shitlord my point is it's terrible fucking advice to tell people to read muramasa and just keep clicking BUT DONT WORRY YOULL UNDERSTAND 100% OF IT SOME DAY
FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT.
>www.google.com google it shithead, I'm not your mother.
Ok, so you don't. Nice. Here's my citation that you're wrong:
Krashen-Terrell's Natural Approach – An overview
Gregg, K.R. (1984). 'Krashen's Monitor and Occam's Razor.' Applied Linguistics 5(2): 79–100.
Krashen, S.D.; Seliger, H.W.. (1975), TESOL Quarterly, 9, No. 2, Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages, Inc. (TESOL), pp. 173–183 Missing or empty |title= (help)
Krashen, S.D. (1981). Second Language Acquisition and Second Language Learning (PDF). Oxford: Pergamon.
Krashen, S.D. (1982). Principles and Practice in Second Language Acquisition (PDF). Oxford: Pergamon.
Krashen, S.D.; Terrell, T.D. (1983), The Natural Approach: Language Acquisition in the Classroom, San Francisco: The Alemany Press, p. 191, ISBN 0-88084-005-6
Krashen, S.D. (1985), The Input Hypothesis: Issues and Implications, New York: Longman
Krashen, S.D. (1989), We acquire vocabulary and spelling by reading: additional evidence for the input hypothesis, Modem Language Journal, 73, n⁰4, pp. 440–464
Krashen, S.D. (1994), The input hypothesis and its rivals, Implicit and Explicit Learning of Languages, Academic Press, London: Ellis, N, pp. 45–77, CiteSeerX: 10.1.1.121.728
Krashen, S.D. (1996), The case for narrow listening System 24(1): 97–100
Krashen, S.D. (2003), Explorations in Language Acquisition and Use (PDF), Portsmouth: NH: Heinemann.
Krashen, S.D.; Terrell, T.D. (1983), The Natural Approach, New York: Pergamon
Loschky, Lester (1994), Comprehensible Input and Second Language Acquisition, Studies in Second Language Acquisition 16, pp. 303–323, doi:10.1017/S0272263100013103
>getting this butthurt over proven facts
VanPatten, B. and Williams, J. (eds) (2007). Theories in Second Language Acquisition: an Introduction. Mahwah, NJ: Erlbaum.
White, L. (1987). 'Against comprehensible input: the input hypothesis and the development of second language competence.' Applied Linguistics 8(2): 95–110.
Lightbown P. and N. Spada, How languages are learned, Oxford University Press, p. 38–40.
Lin, G.H.C. & Ho, M.M.S. (2009). An exploration into foreign language writing anxiety from Taiwanese university students’ perspectives. 2009 NCUE Fourth Annual Conference on Language Teaching, Literature, Linguistics, Translation, and Interpretation. National Changhua University of Education, Department of English, Taiwan, ROC, P. 307-318 http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED506178.pdf
Lin, G.H.C. (2008). Pedagogies proving Krashen's theory of affective filter, Hwa Kang Journal of English Language & Literature, Vol, 14, 113–131 ERIC Collection as ED503681 http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED503681.pdf
Now go read all those so you understand how incredibly objectively wrong you are.
>it's terrible fucking advice to tell people to read muramasa and just keep clicking BUT DONT WORRY YOULL UNDERSTAND 100% OF IT SOME DAY
Worked for me. Now I can watch anime without subs. I'm not fluent, but I'll be there after watching enough anime, maybe three years.
Wow a wall of text no one is going to read, you sure proved me wrong, go get yourself a rope shitter.
"facts"=/ the fucking truth
I'm not even going to respond to you shitlord.
wew some random asshole in the internet says they can do everything, sure, fuck off.
No, you're the one who's doing sophistry. Do you think people had language textbooks back when the germanic migrations happened? No. They still learned romance langauges fine.
Archaic germanic languages and romance languages are as similar as english and japanese. Germanic languages are heavily agglutinating and romance languages have strong morphology. Japanese is heavily agglutinating and english has a different word order. People back then didn't understand the concept of a cognate, either.
If you found yourself stranded in feudal japan, you would learn the language in a matter of half a year, easily. That's how perfect input is.
It absolutely does, it's the input hypothesis at work. People learn language without instruction perfectly fine. You don't need to understand 100% to learn, you only need to understand 50%, and you start with baby steps.
Natural language reflects how the mind handles ideas. It's literally impossible for japanese to be so different that your brain can't figure out what things mean what.
That doesn't help anyone, it's just irrelevant information you found on some random facts website, good for you, Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG.
>it's just irrelevant information you found on some random facts website
Nah, it's relevant information that I learned at school when I studied linguistics.
>Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG.
Except you will literally miss out on information period until you are postfluent, so according to you, you have learned japanese wrong until you are postfluent without having read anything, which is obviously impossible.
>Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG
Under this criteria there isn't a single Japanese person who has ever learned Japanese right.
>No, you just need to learn before you read, it's a simple concept retard.
Too bad it's like, completely objectively wrong. You don't learn until you read. It's simple as that. No matter how hard you study, you cannot learn anything without reading or listening to things that are explained to you.
>Except Japanese people have NATIVES to help them shithead.
Yes, because every child has a personal tutor on hand at all times to tell them every time they've ever gotten anything wrong and explain how to do it right. Not a single time has a Japanese child ever read and misunderstood a piece of Japanese text. You got me.
At least you're a free man now. You'll get over it in a few months anyway if you don't kill yourself.
You should be fine anyway if you live in a country with decent social security.
>find a man who abandoned you ages ago and doesn't give a fuck about you
Yeah, great plan, Batman.
Are you retarded or something? THEY HAVE NATIVES TO HELP THEM AND CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES.
So you're telling me if someone just shits there and clicks through eroge all day they'll be better then your bitchass at japanese?
>THEY HAVE NATIVES TO HELP THEM AND CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES.
What you originally said was, "Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG." This is just wrong.
Maybe what you meant to say was that... no, I can't even charitably interpret your statement so that it makes any sort of sense.
>His determination is a model.
Spamming a thread with a copy/pasted post is not a good example of determination to model yourself off of
>He inspires us to do our reps everyday.
He inspires us to ignore his post every thread because it never changes
>Why would it bother you anyway?
It doesn't, I was just making expressing a hope for him to quit. After six months I've gotten used to it. I still would like him to stop though.
RADICAL FREEDOM. READ EROGE, LEARN JAPANESE. FUCK YOU.
>No, you just need to learn before you read, it's a simple concept retard.
All the arguments you're making might as well say that you need to learn before you can listen.
Which is fucking stupid, since if you're banned from reading or listening to Japanese before you've "learned it" I can only imagine how Japanese language instruction works in Japan. Maybe they teach it in English.
You don't have an advanced grasp on the language until you start reading. If you have a legitimate opinion, "advanced" is the wrong word for the incredibly low level of japanese you need to understand before you can read basic material. I read through all of hanahira after doing literally nothing but reading four pages of tae kim and watching six months of english-subtitled anime. When I finished hanahira I was capable of reading japanese wikipedia, which means I clearly learned something properly from reading it.
>Just buy instruction books then read when you have learned the language
Repeating yourself when your arguments are proven to be complete garbage doesn't actually help your point.
Does this mean that she returns just before fifth period? The double negative is confusing me.
If it instead read as 始まる直前にならないと戻ってくる , would it mean that she returned well before fifth period?
No, I'm just fighting against an echochamber of retards trying to attack the truth.
No, the truth is between those to events yoyu actually learned japanese, stop leaving out important details.
I never claimed I was advanced, I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up AND NOW I'M PICKING UP THE PIECES AND TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE OF IT
>I never claimed I was advanced, I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up AND NOW I'M PICKING UP THE PIECES AND TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE OF IT
I see, your problem seems to be that you didn't read more enough. Now stop complaining and go read more.
Good luck with that in Japanese.
Fucking yanks will not learn no matter what.
Is it important to learn how to write the ひらがな and かたかな or is it sufficient just knowing how to read them? I can identify and read them fine, but the actual stroke and such is difficult to recall. Considering we just type everything nowadays, would it be super detrimental to just skip the actual writing?
You know what I love doing?
Let's read something together.
>you need to LEARN the language before READING. This is FACT.
Just out of curiosity, how much do you need to learn before you read? Enough to get started, or do you actually need expertise before reading does anything?
I ask because I've been learning by reading, using anki to try to memorize words as I go along, and using DoJG and the occasional /djt/ query to decipher grammar. It's a rather slow and painful process desu. Is there a better way?
That guy is just trolling dude, don't take him seriously.
There's no better way. Grammar is too complex to master without exposure. Your closest option would be to study DOJG example sentences for awhile, but you'll need to read eventually and sooner is better than later.
While his sentence wasn't perfect, it was legible.
Why don't you fuck off instead? Complaining about people with second languages in a language learning thread is absolutely retarded, this meme has to stop.
Maybe you should improve your punctuation then.
ESL decrying is completely stupid, it usually takes only one small mistake from anyone for the memes to start.
Fuck, I've seen native speakers make worse mistakes than that.
Fuck that, Anglo supremacists should be proud that most people can read and write their language on top of their own, even if they make mistakes sometimes.
It's more than most Americans can do, and if he's in this thread then he's actually learning two languages on top of his own, and that's pretty cool.
I wish there was a translator addon like rikaisama for other languages, spanish, german, french, etc., it's so fucking useful! a godsend, really. Trying to learn another language made me realize what a pain in the ass it is having to look up words individually, I want to just move the cursor over them and get the meaning instantly.
I have tried googling for something like this but came up with nothing, anyone knows?
Fix my translation, and consequently my understanding. My current understanding makes no logical sense.
"Regarding beer's shipped amount increase, the number of consumers even if the price is high has increased because companies have rebranded, changed ingredients and methods in order to constantly make new special products. This is the reason why flagship products sales strengthened. "
If they are introducing new products then how can the flagship product's sales be high?
Wouldent the new product's sales be high? Instead of the flagship items? They stated that by introducing new products the sales increased.
Either way the correction of my translation is priority. Maybe i just dont get economics idk.
Anon. One day, someone will appear who will teach you.
But the sole objective of my current self is to liberate DJT. If you try to prevent that, even this thread will show you no mercy.
>Unlimited Methods Work
I had neither a tutor nor a class. All I have is this world. If a chosen method is a self-learner's symbol, then this world is my chosen method.
It copies and backs up any program or book that I have used.
That is my ability as a language learner.
Every Method Here Works.
Fuck you, it works great.
That's not good enough.
They are subdecks. Don't worry how it looks, just do the cards as they come and only change the options for the top deck, if you change any options, and made sure to select that changes apply to subdecks. It looks different but in practice if you do the cards as they are due it functions the same.
Post a link in the feedback section and hope maintainer-anons add it or do what cor-kun and another anon did with the following links they posted in the feedback section
It is easier to add if all the maintainer-anons have to do is copy and paste.
Not cool, dude. You were supposed to protect her smile.
You guys aren't actually arrogant enough to believe that you know better than the entire academic community of Japanese professors when it comes to learning Japanese, right? Don't you realize taking classes is THE best way to learn Japanese?
Indeed. We learn Japanese DESPITE the shitposting.
Lol by the logic of this thread everyone on /a/ should be a master of Japanese from passively "exposing" themselves to the language. Just let these retards keep jerking off to hentai and deluding themselves that they're learning while enlightened people such as ourselves learn through hard work and willpower during proper lessons.
Learning through your want to understand your waifu's doujins is a desire that most people can relate to and strive for. A school environment with lessons is a turnoff and boring.
What function does なら has in this sentence? と言って makes everything into a clause, so, is it something about "That was a bad dream"?
>I've been trying to learn Japanese for the past two years, but I've stopped and started again numerous times. I usually lose motivation to learn when, after a while, I stumble upon a blog or article about Japanese relations with foreigners.
>I mean, I really love learning languages and traveling. In high school I took three years of French (but I'm a bit rusty on that now), and I've also bought some self-learning resources for learning Italian, Greek, and Spanish (although I've never even touched them yet). I've concentrated on learning Japanese first, but it turned out to be my most problematic language.
>I know Japanese people don't mean to be rude and that they are really nice, but what really pisses me off is that they often don't realize that they're being discriminatory or racist. Japan is full of subtle racism and Japanese people seem to be indoctrinated from school to treat non-Japanese differently, or to always generalize that all non-Japanese people don't know Japanese culture and/or Japanese language.
If people are suicidal due to depression, that post is entirely irrelevant because how they feel is directly linked to chemistry and no amount of pie in the sky feel good rhetoric will change that. What that post and whom ever decided to create a motivational type image around it failed to realise is that the world is always your oyster because the ultimate outcome for any course of action is always going to be death irrespective of whether or not you are under the illusion that what action you take is really your "choice" in the matter.
>No, you just need to learn before you read
How can a person do this? Even if you're trolling, would someone else mind explaining this? I'd like to understand what this statement means and what sort of method is involved in understanding Japanese without reading Japanese.
>I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up
If you were being an autodidact this wouldn't be an issue because your study would be based on your own decisions.
If you read through the Guide in the OP, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it give people a short list of different resources and suggests to look into them to see which suites you best? That is, even if you were blindly following the hivemind in these threads -which I think it a terrible thing for anyone to do- the Guide itself would have stirred you into a direction that lead to different choices which actually diverge from the shitposting here. Even if you were being a sheep being lead, it doesn't make sense that you'd listen to the echo chamber here over the authority of the OP Guide and website. Wouldn't that logically be the shepherd for those people who would rather blindly following a set of instructions?
Trying to get some clarity because I don't really understand where you are coming from.
It's anonymous posting, it's not like anyone knows me.
I get, especially from posts like this, that the community is probably godawful, but how would you guys approximate the average ability of people at r/learnJapanese compared to us?
Let's Plays / 実行s are pretty great for studying, I was wondering what to do to study, considered just goofing off for the rest of the day, but instead I opened up a let's play and I've been "studying" for hours since. For someone lazy like me, this is great.
Each course is a semester so 1/2 of a school year, meaning that would take an average student 2 years.
I hate people like this learning Japanese. Japan is the way it is because it is xenophobic and racist. If you really like Japan and Japanese culture, you should want them to remain the way they are.
>I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them.
People just naturally associate maintenance of blood and culture as an evil thing in the CURRENT YEAR.
>don't allow foreigners into your bar because neither you nor your employees speak foreign languages and you're already busy enough without having to babysit a tourist
>all potential altecations are compounded tenfold by the language barrier
>happily service foreigners who do speak your language becuase there is literally no reason not to
There are of course legit racist shitheads, but majority of "no gaijin pls" places either don't want to deal with the hassle of pantomiming a beer or are in port cities where russian sailor pigs come to drink until they piss themselves and start fights.
Learning how to write then and subsequently having an anki deck which prompts you to write them takes up very little time, as in maybe a matter of hours at first and maybe a few hours over the next few years. It's probably the most efficient way if you want to spend the least amount of time possible on it, as per how Anki is designed.
>writing only takes >10 hours to learn over years
Yes, people only matter in the degree to which they contribute to the economy. Culture, blood, folk, history, all worthless. Make dollars, buy trinkets, watch Hollywood movies, wear condoms, take birth control, get abortions, cut yourself off from your ancestors, uproot yourself, scorn God, live an empty life with an empty womb, all so some fucking bankers can get richer.
This makes no sense. The conversation was discussing the relative benefits of Japanese society's pride in their culture and bloodlines, with references to other societies to draw comparisons. This has a direct relationship to the Japanese language, both in terms of how it developed historically and the difficulties involved in studying it with actual Japanese people, and is hence completely on-topic. I fail to see the problem?
>mfw asian and can perfectly blend in japanese society
I don't enjoy the process of learning the language itself. I do immensely enjoy the fruits of the process though - ability to read, write, speak and understand spoken language.
Honestly? No not a lot
I'm watching a lot of Japanese let's plays right now. I don't enjoy not understanding so much. I don't enjoy missing words and mishearing bits.
I read novels. I really don't like when I only vaguely understand what an author is going for. When a philosophical statement is made I feel like garbage for not fully appreciating it.
I don't like trying to say something but failing.
They say the journey is more important than the destination. In my opinion, in the case of Japanese, the journey enhances the destination - I'd rather study for four years and become fluent, than just press a button and become fluent (well, I'd rather press a button, but I wouldn't feel as satisfied). But, I do not enjoy this journey very much. I don't enjoy not understanding. I don't enjoy gradually accumulating the fuckton of vocabulary necessary. I don't enjoy sounding like an idiot when I try saying anything. I don't enjoy spending so much time on anki, and I don't like the fact that if I dropped anki my progress would slow down a fuckton.
I like finding neat phrases, I like the perspective it gives on language, I like getting better. There's lots to like about learning a language. But ultimately, I'm not enjoying the process much at all. Too much grinding. Too much dissatisfaction.
Honestly my favourite part of language learning has been Steve vs Dekinai memes, I love all the good spirit and community that comes from DJT at times, it makes me feel pretty excited and happy about learning Japanese. That and being a smug motherfucker to weeaboos who don't know Jpaanese.
I just realized I didn't elaborate on
> in the case of Japanese, the journey enhances the destination
My perspective on this is that gradually learning kanji and words gives you a personal relationship with the language, in the vein of Wittgenstein's "private language" philosophy, so there's satisfaction in building up your own Japanese understanding.
>67 deleted posts
The the fuck are the mods deleting these minor off topic posts yet let obvious shitposting stay, along with adverting? On top of that, who is the fucking idiot reporting these posts? Get a grip.
Writing hiragana and katakana, which was what I was responding to. Anon didn't mention how to write kanji or how to write coherent sentences, etc. Maybe you misread my post or didn't read the post I was responding to?
>Janitors working overtime.
They are doing a shit job by removing slightly off topic yet calm discussion while leaving advertisting, pointless memeposting and obvious flamebaiting. Of which I made sure to report, and always report. They never get deleted. Team Hotpocket do a shit job, all in all.
For reading just about anything, 2,500 will be more than enough to have a full experience. If you want to know EVERY kanji you EVER see, then you will eventually accumulate 3,500. More if you learn 旧字.
I've been gradually not doing anki or half-assing it, and now I haven't done it in like 5 days. I just don't have the motivation. I phase in and out of things, and I'll probably want to come back eventually but with a huge anki backlog it will be annoying. At the moment I've just been reading western novels and working on my music and programming instead.
I really wish I didn't just phase in and out of things. Is there hope for me /djt/?
The janitors and mods have become corrupt as fuck because they have no one to answer to. Hiroyuki is incompetent. As long as the user data is flowing in he doesn't know or care about what goes on.
Sure, I fell off for a couple of months last year but I'm going strong again. If Anki just plain doesn't work for you then you can always just study normally and set your own pace. The only thing that'll remove all hope is quitting altogether.
I know anki is bad if you aren't doing it everyday, but without it I don't know how I'd acquire a decent enough vocabulary. Just reading a lot doesn't really help with learning a lot of words. I still watch a whole lot anime though and I focus on that and can still understand a decent amount even though I've stopped my studies pretty much.
I'll get motivated again eventually and probably read a lot more. I think if I get to the point where I can understand a lot of spoken Japanese then I will stay motivated, I don't know.
For now I just don't really feel like anki or reading. I'll see what happens though
Which is a bit dumb, as with all work it's better in the long run to occasionally take a day off and relax to recharge your batteries and clear your mind.
If someone wants to abuse it for the sake of laziness it should be their own problem.
Compared to the shitposting that was left, it really was.
I don't see your contention here. It was poorly moderated.
Not going to disagree with that, which is sad. At least they haven't removed the sage function yet.
I used to do 20-40 new words a day. My retention was really good so my reviews were usually kept under 150 or 200, but I haven't done anki in a while now. I also haven't been reading or anything
Kill yourself. Preferably painfully.
Not entirely sure you really understand the program. By design, if you skip a few days but still remember the cards by the time you return to your reps, it takes that into account. This is why if someone has allowed a deck to run long without doing reviews and they want to get back into reviewing the deck, instead of deleting and starting over (which is sometimes suggested) they should simply return to reviews as the Supermemo algorithm Anki uses takes that into account and alters the fact schedule accordingly. That is: reviewing long expired content by starting over and making Anki think the facts are new to you, is less beneficial than failing the cards or passing them on the deck with the piled up reviews.
What, why? Sage is useful.
>By design, if you skip a few days but still remember the cards by the time you return to your reps, it takes that into account
The way that it does this is worse than not doing it in the first place, IMO. You can get external exposure for things you don't "know" as much as it thinks you know them because of it.
>The way that it does this is worse than not doing it in the first place, IMO.
I agree with Supermemo on this one and I think they understand it better than you who disagree with them.
>You can get external exposure for things you don't "know" as much as it thinks you know them because of it.
This is taken into account, though, and will naturally correct itself over time if your external exposure becomes limited or non-existent. It is designed around an assumption that people are being exposed to the content outside of the program.
>I agree with Supermemo on this one and I think they understand it better than you who disagree with them.
SM does it differently than anki, even if SM's dev is delusional whatever he did is irrelevant to this point.
>This is taken into account, though, and will naturally correct itself over time if your external exposure becomes limited or non-existent.
With SM sure, but not anki. With anki all it does is give you an interval of not relearning the card when you should be.
>It is designed around an assumption that people are being exposed to the content outside of the program.
Do you have any idea how braindead simple anki is? Or do you know what behavior it does that I'm talking about?
When you rep a young/mature card X and get it right, it takes the /actual/ interval since your last rep and multiplies that by the ease instead of the target interval that it had. So if you're 2 days overdue, you get ~5 days extra on your interval. That's the behavior that I'm complaining about.
>SM does it differently than anki
Anki uses a slightly older SM algorithm.
>With SM sure, but not anki.
It does. See above.
>Do you have any idea how braindead simple anki is?
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand Anki.
>Answering cards later than scheduled will be factored into the next interval calculation, so you receive a boost to cards that you were late in answering but still remembered.
>Anki uses a slightly older SM algorithm.
Yeah, and supermemo disagrees with their older algorithms and calls them bad.
This detail isn't even part of the SM algorithm. It's a hack put in place by the anki devs to make up for one of the shortcomings of the old SM algorithm they're using.
>It does. See above.
Nope. Anki doesn't assume you're getting outside exposure. It doesn't have any systems in place to compensate for mis-scheduling due to having arbitrarily being exposed to something right before doing your reps several days late.
>I'm sorry but I don't think you understand Anki.
Card has ease value. When you get card right its scheduling interval is multiplied by that ease. Getting card wrong will multiply its schedule by a different value (usually 0) and change its ease and mark it for relearning. Different answers can change the ease. When a card is new or relearning it uses a special minute interval system, other scheduling is ceiled to the next day. Answering a card late uses the number of days it's late by for rescheduling instead of its original scheduling interval. Cards that are failed too much can be marked or suspended as leeches. Forgive me if I missed some single detail in my drunkenness.
Yes, that's what I said, and that's what I'm complaining about.
>If the card is being reviewed late, the number of days that the card is overdue will be added to the current interval before doing these calculations.
It's too much. /Some/ boost is right, but using the number of days itself raw is excessive.
>If the card is being reviewed late, the number of days that the card is overdue will be added to the current interval before doing these calculations.
Wait, does this apply to "Again" too? If it does then doesn't that mean you can progress cards if you just wait long enough?
>being self-conscious on an anonymous board
How can it be pretentious if I don't announce my sages or anything? I don't do it if I'm adding something relevant to the conversation, but I do if I'm shitposting or having off-topic discussion; fairly basic.
Bump once before I turn in for the night. I kept looking and found:
So based on
I guess it's just the same as 浮気？ Still don't understand the 現場 part though.
In theory and for long-term that's all fine and good, but in practice a guy with 250 reps is never going to feel comfortable taking a day off because otherwise they'll face 500 reps the next day instead. Even people who study actually difficult subjects in actual institutes pause their work and take days off at least semi-regularly if at all possible without doing double the work the day after.
Anki is great but algorithms ignore the human element, it should definitely have a pause function.
>Reading fast and understanding everything for 6 pages
>Suddenly, a verb kanji I don't recognize
>Snowball into incomprehension and become unable to understand anything past that point despite knowing all kanji aside that one
It keeps happening.
It's not even because the missing verb was critical to understanding the following phrases (it was actually irrelevant), it's more like encountering a kanji I don't know breaks my ability to read japanese completely.
Why do I see people with over 50 kanji in their new learn sets?
Wouldn't it be smarter to grind <15 until you're comfortable with them and then move on?
I haven't even been studying or reading for 2 months and I know its 嬉しくて. Step up your game anon.
Also, at what point do I stop losing motivation to learn and stick with it. After a long break I've come back and might try to read some LNs again but I don't know how it will go. I have >600 reviews piled up in anki too..