Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1379

OSSSSSSOOOOOOOOI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Being and working in America, it's very important to work hard, work smart and work in a certain way. France and Europe has, with the tradition and culture, it's slow-moving and it's not always good.

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Remember that wanikani is the key to success! Wanikani-chan is rooting for you!

>>136271971
Oh man I only just made the connection between wani and the thing being a crocodile

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>>136272036
>and the thing being a crocodile

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>>136271791

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Bring me success, o great WaniKani.

Is it better to learn from something easy, or something hard?

Trying to decide if I should read a 4koma manga (has furigana, for starters, and is manga) or a LN (I can use rikai, but there's still a lot more text and grammar). The former might be less of a grind, but I stand to learn more from the latter.

What would you do, /djt/?

so is remembering the kanji a good idea?

>>136272869
You're a beginner? At that stage 4koma manga will be extremely hard, an LN will take you a year to read assuming you don't give up.

>>136272876
I don't recommend forgetting them

>>136272876
Not with Heisig's "method".

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>136273054
You're slipping hard, dude. This is like the third thread in a row.

>>136273156
Hopefully one day he just won't post

>>136273281
Some people just want to watch the world burn

>>136272938
score 197 on last J-CAT
so just crossing the border of intermediate hell i guess

>>136272036
Wait until you hear about kani.

>梁 
That's one ugly motherfucker.

>>136274865
Sorry, you got the wrong person. I don't even like dicks.

Based janitors.

>Mods are alive
久々

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>>136273602
I did mine just the other day, still quite a bit behind. Still planning to try for N3 by the next round of tests, though.

ありがとう掃除人様。

Lol the janitors nuked like thirty posts.

>>136275263
And they did it for free.

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>>136271971
Nice effort, though.

>>136275469
Is it just me or is she getting smugger?

so is wankycrabby just kanji or does it deal with vocabulary, tenses, and informal speech?

>>136275645
She'll have a stroke if she gets any smugger than that.

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For someone just starting to learn, is it alright to only use Anki with these decks, or am I setting myself up for failure?

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>>136275727

>>136275744
Do core2k/6k, not a Tae Kim vocab deck
Do the DOJG deck, not Tae Kim grammar deck

>>136275744
use realkana instead of anki deck

>>136275792
Reasons being?

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>>136275771

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recently made the switch to anki from wanikani.

how am I doing?

>>136275843
1 - Tae Kim himself says to not worry about memorizing the vocabulary he uses. You'll be better off sticking to a long-term, optimized, well-balanced deck like Core2k/6k.
2 - The DOJG deck contains every single concept that Tae Kim covers, plus about 400 more, so long-term it's better, and with Anki you should always think of the long term. You won't want to do EITHER grammar deck, though, until you have a grasp on everything Tae Kim covers in the first place.

>>136275843
Not him, but there's no reason to do the Tae Kim vocab deck when the guide itself has vocab lists in each lesson. Tae Kim in entry level grammar, the DOJG deck covers all entries on the three grammar dictionaries. It's quite complete and well put together.

>>136275920
Looks fine, though it's hard to say because your high retention suggests you're just going through stuff you know from WK

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>>136275946
>Tae Kim says

>>136275981
In wanikani i would usually get 90-95% right on my reviews.

On anki I'm down 10 percent at least. Not going to lie those mnemonics are hella helpful. Also on the core deck I delete notes that I feel are too easy or burnt on wanikani.

>>136276118
Everyone says something sometimes anon.
Except mutes I guess.

>>136276148
>On anki I'm down 10 percent at least.
Should've stayed with the superior system, mate.

>>136276148
91.97% correct on learning is pretty much impossible unless you're familiar with the material beforehand

>>136276148
>delete easy cards on anki
>suprised your retention is lower

>>136276148
>On anki I'm down 10 percent at least.
Nuke it mate, these ankidroids are trying to drag you down with their inferior garbage.

>>136276281
when I first see a card I click good. maybe that's screwing that part up.

also my steps are 1 10 30

>昴
>昂
LITERALLY

虫の居所が悪い

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>>136276506
Jesus Christ, this shit again?

>>136275062
>>136275093
Why aren't they getting rid of the wk advertising?

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>>136276510
おもいの？だいじょうぶ？

>>136276329
Fuck off, Koichi.

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>>136276626

>>136275103
i scored higher than you and i couldn't even pass the n5 if i tried

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>>136276736
Hmm...

>>136276736
Imouto-san, please mail me some Japanese biscuits. I'll send you some Polish cabbages in return.

>>136276736
lel

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newfag here. know hirigana, working on katakana/tae kims

downloaded the core deck. Is it suppose to look like this, which do I do, just the first one? (it has 9567 cards)

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>>136276770
That's a problem with you then. Based on the current JLPT levels, you should be able to pass the 5 from below a 100.

>>136277002
>That's a problem with you then
Who exactly do you think he was blaming, anon?

>>136277127
I didn't think he was blaming anyone, I thought that was a warning.

>>136277002
What if I can't exchange basic ideas?

>>136277171
That means you're below basic.

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>>136277171

>>136276971
I don't know about that deck but you didn't use the Core 6K link in the guide, which is what most people here use.

>>136276660
そのぶんみゃくで、虫の居所が悪いは
使い方が適切ではないんじゃないかな

幸福が訪れている、これは年単位の時間を想像するから

>幸福が訪れていると思うと、虫唾が走る

のほうが適切だとおもうよ。

虫の居所が悪いは、もっと短時間の不機嫌に使うのがふつうだよ。おにいちゃん

ながくなっちゃった。ごめんね

Any suggestions for beginner level VNs? I tried to start with Schwarzesmarken and five minutes in realized it was a bad idea.

Why is your awnser to everything just, read more. If you can't 100% understand everything you shouldn't be reading.

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>>136277575
This was useful to me; I think a lot of people start with flyable heart.

>>136277575
>beginner
There is no such thing. Just read more.

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>>136277613
>If you can't 100% understand everything you shouldn't be reading.

ZA WARLDO! Toki wo tomari! Budabudabudabudabudabuda! Roado Rollar dah! Soshite........ toki wo ugoki desu.

>>136277655
You shouldn't be building bad habits shitlord.

>>136277665
Nanny Toke-y dess?

>>136277575
Hanahira used to be a common recommendation for baby's first VN not too long ago, not as much nowadays. Also >>136277633.

Personally, I played Wanko to Kurasou before everything and it was pretty good as a first VN. Also, it has Mikan. Don't you love Mikan?

>>136277741
Bad habits get eradicated through massive exposure and context

How do you send stuff to be addd to the COR?

>>136277613
Retarded, or just pretending to be?

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同性愛者です。カリフォルニアで都市部に住んでいます。

あなたはアナルセックスがしたいば、ライン: monstrank、　メール: [email protected]

ご連絡下さい。

>>136277891
You moved from Jipang fast. Also, there's a board for your ilk.

My new favourite kanji is 嬲. I love it when you can work out the meaning of a kanji instantly from its components without needing to look it up.

>>136277805
Listen up pissbaby, that only works if you KNOW YOU'RE WRONG

And just reading saying I'LL IRON IS OUT EVENTUALLY IS A BAD LEARNING PRACTICE.

>>136277891
Post pics

>>136277633
>"Shoot - and your wish will come true. But one of the bullets is real. Pull the trigger if you're ready to risk your life."

>Deep below Akihabara, a version of Russian roulette called the Kagome Game is being played on New Year’s Eve 2010. Six people take turns shooting a gun called Axanael, which has the ability to grant wishes. However, there is a price for equaling the hopes, and it is paid by one of the players' lives.

Axanael does sound pretty interesting

>>136277930
嫐

>>136277994
It's not the most efficient way but, brute force works.

>>136277205
Basic goes all the way from 100 points down to infinity, though.

>>136277994
>Listen up pissbaby, that only works if you KNOW YOU'RE WRONG
Nope. It does work, even if you don't know you're wrong.

>>136277994
No it's not, if you're wrong it's because you don't understand a word or grammar and in either case it's really obvious that'd you're not fully understanding, so it's easy to fix

>>136278039
So instead of advocating GOOD PRACTICES you just take the easy way out to look like you know better.

FUCK

OFF.

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>>136278001
恥ずかしいです。

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なんか、みっつくっつけるのが好きなんだよね。なんなんだろう。

ゆうめいな姦の字とか
ほとんどのひとがしってる蟲の字とか
これもまたよくしられている矗の字とか

>>136278089
God any literature that says massive amounts of intelligible exposure doesn't teach you language?

>>136277994
>>136278060
Fug, who should I be listening to? Someone help.

>>136278132
picsをください！！

>>136278164
The group that has linguistics academia behind them: the input group.
Of course, "conscious" study helps kick start things and makes you go faster, but you need input to move at all. If your conscious study is stalling your input study then you have a problem

>>136278164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40
Trust Steve

>>136278164
Neither, they're both being autists

>>136278164
You need to stop with the beginner book.

>>136278146
>みっつくっつけるの
みっつ　くっつける　の "Attaching three?"

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轟の字もそうだし
森の字なんてモロだし
品なんてのもそのクチだし

漢字っていったいなんなのだろう

>>136278207
Are you suggesting people do "unconscious" study?

Way to undermine your point shitlord.

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>>136278164
Start from the base up. Begin with the foundations and work your way up. begin with Kana and then move on to readings and then compounds.

さ　ばく
砂　漠
砂漠

>>136278297
"conscious" study -> checking all the words and grammar manually and asking people to correct your "translations".

And when you stop reading because you're checking things too hard, you're failing to study language.

I used scare quotes so it can mean whatever I want. If you're upset about this, kill yourself.

>>136276736
Please send onaholes

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>>136278199
私をいじめないでください。

My mother and sister were killed by a fucking drunk driver 3 days ago, I wasn't in the car with them because I decided to stay at home and do my reps. Give me one good reason not to kill myself tomorrow, my dad left when I was 4 too.

>>136278359
No, you need to kill yourself for giving shitty advice.

Who in their right mind thinks you should just sit there and not understand anything and expect to learn the fuckin' language.

>>136278509
虐めつもりなかったけど

>>136278509
FuckYou

>>136278530
>No, you need to kill yourself for giving shitty advice.
No, *you* need to kill *your*self for giving shitty advice.

>Who in their right mind thinks you should just sit there and not understand anything and expect to learn the fuckin' language.
Did you miss the "intelligible"? 50% is not "not understanding anything". 50% is enough, and easy. 100% is completely unnecessary. You will not understand 100% of what you read until you are postfluent. If you try you will fail horribly AND think you understand things that you don't.

>>136278528
Because if you don't master Nip and get a good job in the holy land now, you living will have been in vain.

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>>136278528
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.

But you should finish this one first.

>>136278528
Find your dad, the government should know where he is somehow.

>>136278528
>Give me one good reason not to kill myself tomorrow
If she had a life insurance policy you're about to get a lot of financial aid and will be able to live a comfortable life, which is what she probably would have wanted. The chances of your suicide failing and simply bringing you more suffering is statistically likely. Strong emotions such as despair over death are proven to fade over time, so if you wait it out long enough you won't feel as *painfully* bad about their deaths as much and will be glad you didn't kill yourself. That said if you want to die go for it.

>>136278528
>3 days ago
もう遅いよ
早く行けば、妹の死体とセックスが可能なのに
もったいないね～

>>136278583
No shithead if you're sitting there saying OH WELL I ONLY UNDERSTOOD 50% OF X OR Y IT'S OK I"LL UNDERSTAND MORE IN 5 YEARS

What a waste of time and fuck you for suggesting that, you need to LEARN the language before READING. This is FACT.

>>136278528
Sorry to hear that. Perhaps a special discount to WaniKani would cheer you up?

>>136277994
>>136278089
You seem to be thinking too autistically about language learning.

I'm guessing you're interested in learning to write/speak japanese too rather than just read/understand it like most people here, and so you're being overly paranoid about picking up bad habits. But you shouldn't be projecting that onto everyone else.

Whether or not I'm right about you wanting to learn to speak japanese you're still going to take WAY longer to learn japanese than others will, if you keep thinking this way.

The language processing in your brain isn't handled in the same parts that logic and reason are. If you keep treating language like it's a math problem then you're never going to be fluent, and speaking japanese to you is going to be painful and slow because you'll be consciously trying to recall rules and shit.
Learning language is just different, you need to dive in and absorb real native material for it to sink in properly at all.

>>136278756
He's so bellicose that I think he's just trolling
>you need to LEARN the language before READING. This is FACT.
Nobody would seriously say this

>>136278732
Got a citation on that?

>>136278528
Besides the fact that I know nothing about you or your motivations, I can't give you a reason. That's something you have to do for yourself. Perhaps you could get good at Japanese. (Dekinai willing.)

>>136278528
Filial Reviewing truly saves lives.

>>136278756
>Learning language is just different, you need to dive in and absorb real native material for it to sink in properly at all.
In fact, this is *the only way* to learn language that works for absolutely everyone. Every single other method will fail if the person has something somewhere wrong in their head. But if you have the ability to post in this thread right here and now, *you can learn language by absorbing normal material, because that's how you learned in the first place*. No, the ability doesn't go away when you're an adult, that phenomenon is solely that adults have to work instead of sit on their ass and get instructed in their own language all day.

>>136278779
Wow way to deflect you piece of shit, why don't you try actually READING my argument before acting like a shithead?

>>136278783
www.google.com google it shithead, I'm not your mother.

>>136278756
Listen shitlord my point is it's terrible fucking advice to tell people to read muramasa and just keep clicking BUT DONT WORRY YOULL UNDERSTAND 100% OF IT SOME DAY

FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT.

>>136278734
Alright, it's all set up, use code MYMOMISDEAD for 33% off

>>136278897
>www.google.com google it shithead, I'm not your mother.
Ok, so you don't. Nice. Here's my citation that you're wrong:

Krashen-Terrell's Natural Approach – An overview
Gregg, K.R. (1984). 'Krashen's Monitor and Occam's Razor.' Applied Linguistics 5(2): 79–100.
Krashen, S.D.; Seliger, H.W.. (1975), TESOL Quarterly, 9, No. 2, Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages, Inc. (TESOL), pp. 173–183 Missing or empty |title= (help)
Krashen, S.D. (1981). Second Language Acquisition and Second Language Learning (PDF). Oxford: Pergamon.
Krashen, S.D. (1982). Principles and Practice in Second Language Acquisition (PDF). Oxford: Pergamon.
Krashen, S.D.; Terrell, T.D. (1983), The Natural Approach: Language Acquisition in the Classroom, San Francisco: The Alemany Press, p. 191, ISBN 0-88084-005-6
Krashen, S.D. (1985), The Input Hypothesis: Issues and Implications, New York: Longman
Krashen, S.D. (1989), We acquire vocabulary and spelling by reading: additional evidence for the input hypothesis, Modem Language Journal, 73, n⁰4, pp. 440–464
Krashen, S.D. (1994), The input hypothesis and its rivals, Implicit and Explicit Learning of Languages, Academic Press, London: Ellis, N, pp. 45–77, CiteSeerX: 10.1.1.121.728
Krashen, S.D. (1996), The case for narrow listening System 24(1): 97–100
Krashen, S.D. (2003), Explorations in Language Acquisition and Use (PDF), Portsmouth: NH: Heinemann.
Krashen, S.D.; Terrell, T.D. (1983), The Natural Approach, New York: Pergamon
Loschky, Lester (1994), Comprehensible Input and Second Language Acquisition, Studies in Second Language Acquisition 16, pp. 303–323, doi:10.1017/S0272263100013103

>>136278897
good shit

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>>136278897
>getting this butthurt over proven facts

>>136278897
>>136278930
VanPatten, B. and Williams, J. (eds) (2007). Theories in Second Language Acquisition: an Introduction. Mahwah, NJ: Erlbaum.
White, L. (1987). 'Against comprehensible input: the input hypothesis and the development of second language competence.' Applied Linguistics 8(2): 95–110.
Lightbown P. and N. Spada, How languages are learned, Oxford University Press, p. 38–40.
Lin, G.H.C. & Ho, M.M.S. (2009). An exploration into foreign language writing anxiety from Taiwanese university students’ perspectives. 2009 NCUE Fourth Annual Conference on Language Teaching, Literature, Linguistics, Translation, and Interpretation. National Changhua University of Education, Department of English, Taiwan, ROC, P. 307-318 http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED506178.pdf
Lin, G.H.C. (2008). Pedagogies proving Krashen's theory of affective filter, Hwa Kang Journal of English Language & Literature, Vol, 14, 113–131 ERIC Collection as ED503681 http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED503681.pdf

Now go read all those so you understand how incredibly objectively wrong you are.

>>136278897
>it's terrible fucking advice to tell people to read muramasa and just keep clicking BUT DONT WORRY YOULL UNDERSTAND 100% OF IT SOME DAY
Worked for me. Now I can watch anime without subs. I'm not fluent, but I'll be there after watching enough anime, maybe three years.

>>136278966
>>136278930
Wow a wall of text no one is going to read, you sure proved me wrong, go get yourself a rope shitter.

>>136278947
"facts"=/ the fucking truth

>>136278936
I'm not even going to respond to you shitlord.

>>136279005
wew some random asshole in the internet says they can do everything, sure, fuck off.

>>136279005
It's like you haven't watched enough anime before this point.

>>136279044
>"facts"=/ the fucking truth
Except they are the truth, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis

Why don't the mods ban crybabies?

>>136279063
no it's fucking sophistry.

>>136279107
Might as well get rid of djt entirely then, desu senpai.

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>>136279044

>>136279119
No, you're the one who's doing sophistry. Do you think people had language textbooks back when the germanic migrations happened? No. They still learned romance langauges fine.

>>136278633
How long is over time?

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>>136278528

>>136279175
Strongest part goes in a couple months, weakest part goes in a year, the scars stay as a spiritual feeling thing though.

>>136279142
Romance languages are nothing like Japanese pissbaby. Stop deflecting and kill youself already, I've destroyed your "facts"

>>136279179
See, that image is bullshit because it misses the point of why people become suicidal in the first place.

>>136279230
Archaic germanic languages and romance languages are as similar as english and japanese. Germanic languages are heavily agglutinating and romance languages have strong morphology. Japanese is heavily agglutinating and english has a different word order. People back then didn't understand the concept of a cognate, either.

If you found yourself stranded in feudal japan, you would learn the language in a matter of half a year, easily. That's how perfect input is.

>>136279276
>Normies in charge of understanding anything

>>136278146
ふたつもよくくっつけるでしょう。朋、棘、競、林とか
しかし、よっつはめったにないよね。啜や綴の旁しか思いうかばない

>>136279230
>I've destroyed your "facts"
Yeah, by saying... Nothing?

>>136279284
ok enough with the bullshit, this has nothing to do with my point.

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Friendly reminder.

>>136279340
It absolutely does, it's the input hypothesis at work. People learn language without instruction perfectly fine. You don't need to understand 100% to learn, you only need to understand 50%, and you start with baby steps.

Natural language reflects how the mind handles ideas. It's literally impossible for japanese to be so different that your brain can't figure out what things mean what.

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>>136279303
よっつというと
傘の字とか器の字とかがあるとおもうよ

>>136279361
>it gets harder to read as I go towards the left

>>136279361
is this telling you to read without a dictionary

>>136279399
That doesn't help anyone, it's just irrelevant information you found on some random facts website, good for you, Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG.

I'm starting with manga using capture2text and translation aggregator, any tips?

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>>136271791
おーそーい～

>>136279471
>it's just irrelevant information you found on some random facts website
Nah, it's relevant information that I learned at school when I studied linguistics.
>Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG.
Except you will literally miss out on information period until you are postfluent, so according to you, you have learned japanese wrong until you are postfluent without having read anything, which is obviously impossible.

>>136279471
>Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG
Under this criteria there isn't a single Japanese person who has ever learned Japanese right.

>>136279519
What's with the face at the end?

>>136279408
>傘
>器
確かによっつあるけど、一つのまとまりには到底みえないよなぁ
まあ、ギリギリセーフってところかな

それなら「雨」もよっつですよね

>>136279527
No, you just need to learn before you read, it's a simple concept retard.

>>136279533
Except Japanese people have NATIVES to help them shithead.

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>>136279595
>No, you just need to learn before you read, it's a simple concept retard.
Too bad it's like, completely objectively wrong. You don't learn until you read. It's simple as that. No matter how hard you study, you cannot learn anything without reading or listening to things that are explained to you.

>>136279595
>Except Japanese people have NATIVES to help them shithead.
Yes, because every child has a personal tutor on hand at all times to tell them every time they've ever gotten anything wrong and explain how to do it right. Not a single time has a Japanese child ever read and misunderstood a piece of Japanese text. You got me.

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Why take bait

>>136279519
彼女の微笑を守りたいです。

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>>136278528
At least you're a free man now. You'll get over it in a few months anyway if you don't kill yourself.

You should be fine anyway if you live in a country with decent social security.
>>136278630
>find a man who abandoned you ages ago and doesn't give a fuck about you
Yeah, great plan, Batman.

>>136273281
Fuck off, it's actually pretty motivating

>>136279436
It's good practice to try to avoid the dictionary sometimes, but it's pretty retarded to expect somebody to read without using it at all.

>>136279704
>>find a man who abandoned you ages ago and doesn't give a fuck about you
>Yeah, great plan, Batman.
The dad usually runs away to get away from the wife, not the child.

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>>136279567
雨はひとつだよ。おにいちゃん
あめかんむりになれるからね

>>136279669
Are you retarded or something? THEY HAVE NATIVES TO HELP THEM AND CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES.

>>136279651
So you're telling me if someone just shits there and clicks through eroge all day they'll be better then your bitchass at japanese?

>>136279725
A caring father would at least try to get visitation rights.

>>136279708
Six fucking months anon, every fucking thread
The only people it motivates are probably newfags

>>136279752
そういう視点もあると認めよう

>>136279725
Don't fathers run away from child support though?

>>136279793
That said, I do listen to PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE every new thread.

>>136279772
>THEY HAVE NATIVES TO HELP THEM AND CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES.
What you originally said was, "Except the fact is if you miss out on ANY information in a given passage you have learned japanese WRONG." This is just wrong.

Maybe what you meant to say was that... no, I can't even charitably interpret your statement so that it makes any sort of sense.

>>136279793
>Six fucking months anon, every fucking thread
His determination is a model. He inspires us to do our reps everyday.

Why would it bother you anyway?

>>136279772
>So you're telling me if someone just shits there and clicks through eroge all day they'll be better then your bitchass at japanese?
Yep.

>>136279887
Ok enough with the confirmation bias no amount of sitting on your ass comatose is going to help you learn japanese.

>>136279772
Who corrected these natives though?

>>136279858
>His determination is a model.
Spamming a thread with a copy/pasted post is not a good example of determination to model yourself off of
>He inspires us to do our reps everyday.
He inspires us to ignore his post every thread because it never changes
>Why would it bother you anyway?
It doesn't, I was just making expressing a hope for him to quit. After six months I've gotten used to it. I still would like him to stop though.

>>136279926
Reading isn't being comatose.

>>136279938
.Autist

>>136279984
The final fallback of a bitter poster with no ground to stand on. Have a nice day.

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RADICAL FREEDOM. READ EROGE, LEARN JAPANESE. FUCK YOU.

>>136279595
>No, you just need to learn before you read, it's a simple concept retard.
All the arguments you're making might as well say that you need to learn before you can listen.

Which is fucking stupid, since if you're banned from reading or listening to Japanese before you've "learned it" I can only imagine how Japanese language instruction works in Japan. Maybe they teach it in English.

>>136279974
That's what you just said niggerfaggot

MY FUCKING POINT IS READING DOESNT WORK UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE AN ADVANCED GRASP ON THE LANGUAGE SO STOP SUGGESTING IT.

>>136279544
Jealousy I think. Saho has particularly dedicated fans
https://d.maxfile.ro/ygwiizqlnr.webm

>>136280017
Just buy instruction books then read when you have learned the language, stop being a smart ass.

>>136280047
You don't have an advanced grasp on the language until you start reading. If you have a legitimate opinion, "advanced" is the wrong word for the incredibly low level of japanese you need to understand before you can read basic material. I read through all of hanahira after doing literally nothing but reading four pages of tae kim and watching six months of english-subtitled anime. When I finished hanahira I was capable of reading japanese wikipedia, which means I clearly learned something properly from reading it.

>>136280076
>Just buy instruction books then read when you have learned the language
Repeating yourself when your arguments are proven to be complete garbage doesn't actually help your point.

>>136280047
How advanced are you again? Care to say? Ever read something in Japanese in your life?

>その涼宮ハルヒだが、四時間目が終わるとすぐ教室を出て行って五時間目が始まる直前にならないと戻ってこないのが常だ。

Does this mean that she returns just before fifth period? The double negative is confusing me.

If it instead read as 始まる直前にならないと戻ってくる , would it mean that she returned well before fifth period?

>>136280110
No, I'm just fighting against an echochamber of retards trying to attack the truth.

>>136280095
No, the truth is between those to events yoyu actually learned japanese, stop leaving out important details.

>>136280125
I never claimed I was advanced, I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up AND NOW I'M PICKING UP THE PIECES AND TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE OF IT

>>136280047
Oh my fucking god. Read a fucking book and you'll learn something of value. Being an ankidrone will get you nowhere.

>>136280205
>No, the truth is between those to events yoyu actually learned japanese, stop leaving out important details.
Nope. I went under the radar and did nothing but read hanahira.

>>136280011
It's funnier if you read right to left.

>>136280216
ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO READ UNTIL YOU HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON THE LANGUAGE

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おやすみなさい、/djt/

>>136280205
>I never claimed I was advanced, I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up AND NOW I'M PICKING UP THE PIECES AND TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE OF IT
I see, your problem seems to be that you didn't read more enough. Now stop complaining and go read more.

I always use caps lock to look cool and to prove my point even more. Works every time.

>>136280253
It's called google translate.

>>136280293
Except that advice DOESNT WORK

just telling someone to "go read more" is just a copout of you waning to give real advice, fuck off and stop spreading bad advice.

>>136280253
Too bad you don't learn from those "grammar lessons" of yours until you read a lot.

>>136280253
Surely you must be trolling at this point

>>136280336
If you ever need help understanding something I'll help you out. Now seriously, go read more or else you're never learn Japanese. Trust me on this one.

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>>136280325
Good luck with that in Japanese.

>>136280253
Fuck off and go read Tae Kim, you useless bloody muppet.

>>136280354
>>136280344
>>136280325
When you have a real argument let me know, shitheads.

>>136280205
So what did you try to read, exactly, that ruined you for life?

>>136280370
you'll*

>>136280391
When you have a real argument let me know, shithead.

>>136280200
Literally, "if it's not right before the class starts she doesn't come back." So yeah you've basically got it.

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>>136280391
Fucking yanks will not learn no matter what.

>>136280391
Oh you're not trolling? You must be burnt out then. Maybe some reading will help

>>136280370
and how is that supported to help anything? I'vr already seen your fallacious arguments, you could just feed me more crap like "read more"

>>136280205
Sounds to me like you "read" to slack on memorization and reading grammar, but you barely read at all.

Is it important to learn how to write the ひらがな and かたかな or is it sufficient just knowing how to read them? I can identify and read them fine, but the actual stroke and such is difficult to recall. Considering we just type everything nowadays, would it be super detrimental to just skip the actual writing?

Reminder not to argue with angry people because they won't listen to you (or are just trolling to make you mad)

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You know what I love doing?

Reading.

Let's read something together.

>>136280433
Thank you

>>136280623
tl;dr

>>136278732
>you need to LEARN the language before READING. This is FACT.
Just out of curiosity, how much do you need to learn before you read? Enough to get started, or do you actually need expertise before reading does anything?

I ask because I've been learning by reading, using anki to try to memorize words as I go along, and using DoJG and the occasional /djt/ query to decipher grammar. It's a rather slow and painful process desu. Is there a better way?

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>>136280670
Jesus Christ...

>>136280623
>look up たうりん
>dont even know it in english
vocab hell...

>>136280476
>and how is that supported to help anything?
Well, you'll learn what actual Japanese looks like for starters. That's a pretty good thing to know when trying to learn Japanese.

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>>136280687
That guy is just trolling dude, don't take him seriously.

There's no better way. Grammar is too complex to master without exposure. Your closest option would be to study DOJG example sentences for awhile, but you'll need to read eventually and sooner is better than later.

>>136280731
Who the fuck doesn't know what's a tropical rainforest?

>>136280825
Americans.

>>136277382
確かにgirlfriendが朝に会ったらニコニコ、笑顔だったのに
夕方にはムスッとしていたら「ああ、虫の居所が悪いんだな」って思うかもな。

でもその文脈でも「虫の居所が悪い」は適切では無い、とは言い切れないのでは？
虫の居所が悪くなったのならゴメン、imouto

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>>136280825
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine

does tae kim have a logo

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>>136280979
Yeah, this gay ass thing.

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>>136280884
むししてもいいのに
むしかえさないでよ

>>136279752
いいつんと澄まして顔、いもうと先生

>>136281010
Close enough. I'll use it.

>>136280825

ESL 帰るください。

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>>136281127
>帰るください

>>136281127
Nice nihongo there m8

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>>136281127
>anglos

>>136281179

What is the problem?

>>136281127
This is an ESL false flag.

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>>136281127
>帰るください

>>136281127
While his sentence wasn't perfect, it was legible.

Why don't you fuck off instead? Complaining about people with second languages in a language learning thread is absolutely retarded, this meme has to stop.

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>>136281355
Bullying is how people learn. Bullying is good and healthy. If he doesn't want to be bullied he should improve.

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>>136281127
>帰るください

>>136281355
>defending someone who got a two word sentence wrong

>>136281439
Maybe you should improve your punctuation then.

ESL decrying is completely stupid, it usually takes only one small mistake from anyone for the memes to start.

Fuck, I've seen native speakers make worse mistakes than that.

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>>136281534
I was defending the anon who posted about the rain forest, not the anon with the butchered nihongo.

>>136281439
fuck you
people can learn with love and being nice to each other
don't force the punishment logic upon everyone else just because your dad beat you as a child

>>136281676
>people can learn with love and being nice to each other
They can, that doesn't mean they have to.

>>136281439
Fuck that, Anglo supremacists should be proud that most people can read and write their language on top of their own, even if they make mistakes sometimes.

It's more than most Americans can do, and if he's in this thread then he's actually learning two languages on top of his own, and that's pretty cool.

I wish there was a translator addon like rikaisama for other languages, spanish, german, french, etc., it's so fucking useful! a godsend, really. Trying to learn another language made me realize what a pain in the ass it is having to look up words individually, I want to just move the cursor over them and get the meaning instantly.

I have tried googling for something like this but came up with nothing, anyone knows?

DoJG, Tae Kim, Anki, Memrize, italki, Japanese the Manga Way, Genki, Yotsubato

Did I miss any memes?

>>136281596
There's nothing wrong with my punctuation retard.

>>136281676
No they can't you pathetic weakling. It's too bad no-one bullied you as a child.

>>136281781
RTK

どうやらカスどもらがこのスレに集まってきたようだな

言っておくが
お前らの日本語がどれくらい下手くそなのか自覚してないようだ(大爆笑

>>136281774
People don't have to adhere to laws and societal rules either but it's a fucking good thing they do

>>136281781
namasensei

>>136281781
Wanikani, LinQ

>>136281780
I heard linq is pretty good :)

>>136281865
Forgot linq, yeah, I'll add that first

Fix my translation, and consequently my understanding. My current understanding makes no logical sense.

ビールの出荷量が増加したのは、価格が高くても味を楽しみたいという消費者が増えたとして、各社が新しいブランドや、製造方法や原料の一部を変えて味に特徴を持たせた派生商品といった新商品を相次いで投入したりするなど、主力商品の販売を強化したことが主な要因です。

"Regarding beer's shipped amount increase, the number of consumers even if the price is high has increased because companies have rebranded, changed ingredients and methods in order to constantly make new special products. This is the reason why flagship products sales strengthened. "

If they are introducing new products then how can the flagship product's sales be high?

>>136281885
>If they are introducing new products then how can the flagship product's sales be high?
It seems you don't understand how capitalism works.

>>136281885
The main thing you misunderstood
>価格が高くても味を楽しみたいという消費者が増えた、
This means
"As the number of consumers who want to try [the product] even if the cost is high has increased"

>>136281920
Wouldent the new product's sales be high? Instead of the flagship items? They stated that by introducing new products the sales increased.

Either way the correction of my translation is priority. Maybe i just dont get economics idk.

>>136281828
苛めっ子帰る下さい

>>136281872
>linq
This seems like something for software programmers, I don't really get all that. Is there any extension I can install and load up some dictionaries on it?

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>>136281885
ようやくすると

>ビールがよく売れた。理由はわからんが、正直に「わからないものはわからない」では、筋が通らない。

だよ

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Anon. One day, someone will appear who will teach you.

But the sole objective of my current self is to liberate DJT. If you try to prevent that, even this thread will show you no mercy.

>Unlimited Methods Work

I had neither a tutor nor a class. All I have is this world. If a chosen method is a self-learner's symbol, then this world is my chosen method.

It copies and backs up any program or book that I have used.

That is my ability as a language learner.

Every Method Here Works.

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>>136282123
You Cannot Learn Japanese.

>>136282123
Where's WaniKani?

>>136282227
Wanikani doesn't work.

>>136282227
It's filed under "anki" since the best way to use it is as an anki deck.

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>>136282239
Fuck you, it works great.
>>136282267
That's not good enough.

I want to read, can someone suggest a VN with lots of drama that tugs at your heartstrings?

>>136276971
They are subdecks. Don't worry how it looks, just do the cards as they come and only change the options for the top deck, if you change any options, and made sure to select that changes apply to subdecks. It looks different but in practice if you do the cards as they are due it functions the same.

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>>136282354
Your life.

>>136282354
Attack on Titan

>>136277613
I read for enjoyment.
Maybe you don't enjoy reading?

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>>136282351

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きのうからきょうにかけて
バクダンが停滞しています
列島のほとんどで雪になってるみたい

あたしんとこは雨だよ。
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160118/k10010375641000.html

>>136277858
Post a link in the feedback section and hope maintainer-anons add it or do what cor-kun and another anon did with the following links they posted in the feedback section

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LIuShb6L9FDBQpx7Yy9FgNyzp4tLMwtMCc26-TZMaBo/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10C1aeC_6bm1ZQmRk-qX3IqntCmibIyclzvMDhnDtcmY/edit?usp=sharing

It is easier to add if all the maintainer-anons have to do is copy and paste.

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>>136282675
Not cool, dude. You were supposed to protect her smile.

>>136283010

Can you fuck off with this reddit shit?

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>>136283010

>>136281780
Try looking up Readlang.

You guys aren't actually arrogant enough to believe that you know better than the entire academic community of Japanese professors when it comes to learning Japanese, right? Don't you realize taking classes is THE best way to learn Japanese?

>>136283010
No good, you covered up one of the actual methods, 4chan.

>>136283333
No one has ever learned Japanese through the 4chan shitposting method.

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>>136283372
Indeed. We learn Japanese DESPITE the shitposting.

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>>136283324

I have reps to do but I want to read. Why?

>>136283324
Nice bait

>>136283324

Lol by the logic of this thread everyone on /a/ should be a master of Japanese from passively "exposing" themselves to the language. Just let these retards keep jerking off to hentai and deluding themselves that they're learning while enlightened people such as ourselves learn through hard work and willpower during proper lessons.

>>136283553
Finnie

>>136283553
Learning through your want to understand your waifu's doujins is a desire that most people can relate to and strive for. A school environment with lessons is a turnoff and boring.

>>136283333
n-nice quads senpai

>>136282354
Euphoria

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What function does なら has in this sentence? と言って makes everything into a clause, so, is it something about "That was a bad dream"?

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I don't understand this part of Genki

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>>136282037
>帰る下さい

>>136283787
>What function does なら has in this sentence?
Nothing because it's not in the sentence

>>136283787
から

>>136283865
I'll commit sudoku now.

>>136283787
you mean から?
Need context but it means "just because"
It's a grammar structure of it's own.

"Just because the dream was bad, thats..."

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/41ayyl/im_losing_motivation_to_learn_japanese_because_of/

>I've been trying to learn Japanese for the past two years, but I've stopped and started again numerous times. I usually lose motivation to learn when, after a while, I stumble upon a blog or article about Japanese relations with foreigners.
>I mean, I really love learning languages and traveling. In high school I took three years of French (but I'm a bit rusty on that now), and I've also bought some self-learning resources for learning Italian, Greek, and Spanish (although I've never even touched them yet). I've concentrated on learning Japanese first, but it turned out to be my most problematic language.
>I know Japanese people don't mean to be rude and that they are really nice, but what really pisses me off is that they often don't realize that they're being discriminatory or racist. Japan is full of subtle racism and Japanese people seem to be indoctrinated from school to treat non-Japanese differently, or to always generalize that all non-Japanese people don't know Japanese culture and/or Japanese language.

:^)

>>136279179
If people are suicidal due to depression, that post is entirely irrelevant because how they feel is directly linked to chemistry and no amount of pie in the sky feel good rhetoric will change that. What that post and whom ever decided to create a motivational type image around it failed to realise is that the world is always your oyster because the ultimate outcome for any course of action is always going to be death irrespective of whether or not you are under the illusion that what action you take is really your "choice" in the matter.

>>136279595
>No, you just need to learn before you read
How can a person do this? Even if you're trolling, would someone else mind explaining this? I'd like to understand what this statement means and what sort of method is involved in understanding Japanese without reading Japanese.

>>136283431
Is this that moot guy?

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>>136284184

lol

>>136284390
People born in the US are Anglos by default, their genetic background doesn't matter.

>>136284351
>If I
Fuck, that If shouldn't be there.

Can we go back to discussing meme learning methods?

あんぐろさくそん
　略 　 奪　 者

>>136280205
>I'm just one of the thousands of people you and you shitty groupthink "advice" screwed up
If you were being an autodidact this wouldn't be an issue because your study would be based on your own decisions.
If you read through the Guide in the OP, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it give people a short list of different resources and suggests to look into them to see which suites you best? That is, even if you were blindly following the hivemind in these threads -which I think it a terrible thing for anyone to do- the Guide itself would have stirred you into a direction that lead to different choices which actually diverge from the shitposting here. Even if you were being a sheep being lead, it doesn't make sense that you'd listen to the echo chamber here over the authority of the OP Guide and website. Wouldn't that logically be the shepherd for those people who would rather blindly following a set of instructions?

Trying to get some clarity because I don't really understand where you are coming from.

>>136277633
LovelyxCation 2 is very easy and fun to play too.

>>136284448
>being sad you'll never be Japanese
>being this much of a weeb

>>136284643
If you are a super weeb, you aren't obnoxious about it, and people don't really know, who cares?

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>>136284703
>genki 1 finished after four courses
What the fuck.

>>136284703
I want to know how long they take to take you from 1 through 4.

>>136284702
>and people don't really know
Except you (or whoever posted it) just let everyone know and it was cringe worthy.

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>>136284760
It's anonymous posting, it's not like anyone knows me.

>>136284036
I get, especially from posts like this, that the community is probably godawful, but how would you guys approximate the average ability of people at r/learnJapanese compared to us?

>>136284703
>12 credits for that little work
I should've taken Japanese.

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Let's Plays / 実行s are pretty great for studying, I was wondering what to do to study, considered just goofing off for the rest of the day, but instead I opened up a let's play and I've been "studying" for hours since. For someone lazy like me, this is great.
https://youtu.be/1uQDktYSZbQ
>>136284737
Each course is a semester so 1/2 of a school year, meaning that would take an average student 2 years.

>>136284703
>N4 after 4 courses
The perfect plan for a 4channer

>>136284703
>people like >>136283324 still believe Japanese classes aren't ineffective garbage

>>136284813
Anon, you are a filthy weeb whom glorious Nippon will never accept. Sudoku yourself.

>>136284036
I hate people like this learning Japanese. Japan is the way it is because it is xenophobic and racist. If you really like Japan and Japanese culture, you should want them to remain the way they are.

>>136284961
You're 76 years too late to say that Anon

>>136284961
>I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them.

People just naturally associate maintenance of blood and culture as an evil thing in the CURRENT YEAR.

>>136284036
>don't allow foreigners into your bar because neither you nor your employees speak foreign languages and you're already busy enough without having to babysit a tourist
>all potential altecations are compounded tenfold by the language barrier
>happily service foreigners who do speak your language becuase there is literally no reason not to
>somehow racist
There are of course legit racist shitheads, but majority of "no gaijin pls" places either don't want to deal with the hassle of pantomiming a beer or are in port cities where russian sailor pigs come to drink until they piss themselves and start fights.

>>136284961
Japan would be North Korea-tier right now if it wasn't nuked by the US.

>>136277002
i got 70pts by dice roll

>>136280552
Learning how to write then and subsequently having an anki deck which prompts you to write them takes up very little time, as in maybe a matter of hours at first and maybe a few hours over the next few years. It's probably the most efficient way if you want to spend the least amount of time possible on it, as per how Anki is designed.

>>136277633
are there any not for aimed at pedos?

>>136285270
No.