Second episode is OK, I guess
unless you're an LN/VN reader.
Muv Luv Schwarzesmarken thread.
No Katia bullying after this post
Katia bullying ends today!
Reminder that East Germany has the best national anthem.
Iris dindu nuffin
It was all beatrix's fault I tell you!
A cute moeblob rush forward to attack you.
Not anymore, it's all been crushed and has decomposed.
Translation of German in the episode
>On the 18th of February, at the western shore of the Dnjepr near Kiew, the armed forces of the Warsaw Pact fended off the BETA squadron advancing into the Ukraine. (publication of the Ministry of Defence) The person responsible for the victory was the commander of the 1st East German Tank division [REDACTED] On the 17th the [REDACTED] relocated his entire troops on the other side of the Dnjepr. On the eastern shore, a gigantic mine field was put aound Brovary.
>On the 18th advancing Destroyer-class BETA advanced into the mine field. [REDACTED] the success of this strategy lead to the escape of the BETA squadron. Remaining smaller units were almost completedy annilated by tanks [Cut off] and air forces.
>At the moment, the armed forces of the Warsaw Pact are located [REDACTED] and execute a counter-attack against the BETA."
>As long as the hero Alfred Strauchwitz, who promised victory, leads our tank divisions the countries of humanity will surely be reconquered.
>the arms [probably a typo, meant to be Armee] [not present in the sentence, probably "managed"] to annihilate the BETA squardron through the descruction of lone, scattered enemy elements.
>[REDACTED] A political commisionar of the party remarks "Soon new soviet tank models will be sent to the front. Under this [REDACTED] the recapture of the Ukraine only a question of time.
>[REDACTED] Defense coucil of the 1st of May: [REDACTED]
>The proposition was made after a new BETA squadron had united on the 28 of April and the plan for the construction of fortresses as a countermeasure was made public. [Cut off] voices exist. [REDACTED]
Jesus, do LIDEN hate Gretel? She is fucking irrelevant in the anime.
>From: Headquarters [Unusual is the use of "Stammsitz". In modern time "Hauptquartier" is more common.]
>Title: Strategy guideline (erroneously written with a space)
>Text: Withdrawal of ground units from fortressposition Neuenhagen. Your mission is to support the ground troops's retreat. For execution, one TSF department is made available. First Lieutenant Thi-Rang and Second Lieutenant Waldheim are to be involved."
>Manpower is severely limited
>Trained pilots are in such short supply that fielding pilots that are enormous liabilities is better than nothing at all
>Leave a battalion of pilots to die after promising them reinforcements
Are the Stasi secretly BETA agents?
Are you ready for them to go in-depth with Lise's rape and reveal Theo was watching the whole thing from another room?
Wow, these Stasi make the backstabbing KGB look reasonable. At least they were killing dirty Turks and screwing over the UN. But how exactly do they hide that they're reinforcements never deployed? I mean they'd have to silence everyone who was in that meeting, the entire hangar crew, and all of staff overseeing the operation. I don't care how much fucking autonomy the Stasi had as secret police how does an entire armored battalion get ignored? That should be like 50 TSF!
>Theo was watching the whole thing from another room
It is. What's more, it's the Werewolves job to bail the NVA out when things get hot. They also have the best pilots and best equipment.
The anime just changed the rescue around to make Beatrix and Col Ketchup even more laughably evil.
How many characters are satires or expys of others?
>Cui = Chinese Miku
>Sharon = Sharyl (Macross)
>Leon = Basara
>Yuuya = Isamu (Macross), Ryuusei (SRW), Kou (Gundam)
>Guylos = Gilgamesh (Fate)
>Gretel = Homura (Madoka)
>Gouda = Ryoma (Getter Robo)
Am I missing anything else?
He's starting a fucking faction war. People should be disappearing left and right on both sides after this. I'm just going to guess Beatrix ends up killing him.
That's my waifu
I want my Total Eclipse
I think the Beta were handled better in Total Eclipse than they are in this. They seem to stand around waiting to be shot while in Total Eclipse it gave you the feeling they were an unstoppable force about to stomp over you.
Apart from that I'm enjoying it.
I see the Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung have been very busy verifying Katia's identity over in the West, no way they could have gotten this little tidbit otherwise.
She did her a favor. That outburst was just enough of a distraction to make the Stasi leave. They probably didn't want to drag her unconscious body all the way to the interrogation room.
Why do you think? Also wasn't his mom blonde?
He literally sees his mother in her.
He's supposed to be half-japanese because of his mom.
And the fact that blonde girls are ~99% foreign in anime.
Mostly skipped interactions between Theo and Katia, also changes that make no sense like Sylvia beating up Katia, the Stasi not showing up to ravage the BETA, Theo looking more like an asshole, lots of stuff.
The second and third columns of this article are identical
His first name is Heinz, you know as in THAT company
LN came first, VN adapts first half of the LN serie
Anime theoretically adapts both but it's mashing everything together and skipping a lot of stuff.
So I'd like to think of it as an animated summary.
Well, I read the Chines scans. You can find most of Volume I over on Alternative Projects though.
It would be if they didn't outright change the characters. I don't really care what plot events they have to smash together, you change the characters and it's a bad adaption.
So, we can all agree that an SOL about a raptor and her crew about mechanics would be better than this, right?
His mom looks very similar to Stella.
Power means shit when you're dead. At least Stalin was far from an irrecoverable position, had enough cannon fodder and defeat wouldn't have spelled genocide of every single Soviet.
>calling glorious FREEDOM DAMASHII a "mixed ape"
>while defending a dirty redheaded soulless faggot Krautshit
Paranoides Arschloch mit rein Arischer Abstammung > Hochtalentierter Hapa Mischling
Being mean to the Trabbi isn't cool m8.
>There should just be a TSFiA anime just about different side stories of cool shit each episode.
They could do it in OVAs.
Or make them a sort of S2 for Schwarzesmarken, each TSFIA following chronologically from that time.
But this is the MLU or MLA timeline?if its the MLU timelines (all those where Takeru didn´t save the world) the Eartj is condemned anyway, if its MLA, then i´d say, yeah, maybe, after a few decades of constant fighting they might be able to recapture the Earth. Also, wouldn´t it be nice if there was a post-MLA spin-off LN/VN?
This anime is making me really hate this bitch despite her sexiness. What do you faggots see in her?
Beatrix isn't only the most unlikable character on the show so far, she's also really stupid. All the antagonists in this show are just uncompelling evil bastards doing shit for the evillz, and she's the most sadistic and petty of all of them.
It's a far cry from prior MLs.
They mine shit.
I like well written women. Beatrix is just a sadist using the BETA to shit on people. She's sexy, but there's nothing else to her. I hope Axmann is a better villain. He seems to have more going on than just torturing people.
I actually think she's worse than Esdeath. That's really something. I can't even get turned on by her because of how disgusting a person she is unlike Esdeath. She's literally nothing more than a sadistic thug with a pretty face Axmann, who's a far more compelling and nuanced villain, keeps on his leash.
There are people who genuinely waifu her. I understand fapping, but not those shits. She has virtually no redeeming qualities about her, she's a shallow caricature of evil, and she probably should've been shot before she reached adulthood.
>Totenkopf (Skull) Emblem
Are we the baddies?
Ok, so either I missed it or they explained it poorly or I just don't remember well because It's been years since I've read the VN, but the role of the
Fortress-class doesn't seem very well defined. Because the BETA are more or less automated miners right? I can sort of see how the other classes fit into that, in a "use your imagination" sort of way. But The fortress class just seem excessive. I mean even the big lasers I can sort of see a time they'd be used but Fortresses just seem pointless
>Beato even hates Axmann almost as much as Iris in the LN.
The anime isn't doing a very good job of showing this then. They practically appear in every scene together and seem to have a very amiable relationship.
I doubt someone like Beatrix could ever love anyone but herself.
She is in the LN. They wanted to literally make her a fascist on top of being a Commie.
I'm going to wait for the VN because I can only enjoy Muv Luv in the VN format.
Are you sure you're not thinking of the TE VN? As an anime only, so far this has been way more interesting than most of TE. I suppose I'll give you the villains, the Stasi so far are pretty one-dimensional.
>all of these changes are essentially canon.
Yeah, they're making it impossible to empathize with the stasi at all in this.
>Yeah, they're making it impossible to empathize with the stasi at all in this.
Told you those methods are retarded
Anon, I don't like it either, but be honest with yourself: Why would they make sure to get the KimiNozo guy back over either TE director, if not because he's a guy they're used to working with? They probably consulted each other over anime changes to make it all fit the cour format.
I'm sorry, but Beatrix really is just evil. They stripped out the friendly window dressing to make sure it hit home.
I want to see them try to fit in a little of BiS just to milk more rage (especially from the Japanese). Have Beato always be a bitch and a bully, then have her seduce Jurg just to betray him for no reason other than being a bitch. The rage over on 2ch and Futaba will be pure gold.
>Second episode is OK, I guess
Suuuuuure, with that old man and their platoon dying hilariously badBECAUSE FUCK YOU, FORTRESS STRONK REMOVE HUMAN FILTH FROM PREMISES
>all these Beatofag tears
Look, she is FUCKING EVIL. She is the most evil person in the Muv Luv franchise. She is a sadistic monster. She tortures babies in front of their mothers because she enjoys it. She quite literally lives for nothing else. World burns around her, and just so long as she's skinning somebody, plucking out their teeth, or playing Mengele with them she's happy.
I'm sorry she's hot and you're attracted to her. That's what Hiroki was going for. You're meant to pop a boner, but be utterly disgusted because she's stabbing a pregnant woman to death in the stomach.
That's what makes them interesting and three dimensional characters tho. Really, everybody's characterization has taken a hit from the LN. There isn't a single person I like or am attached to in the anime so far.
>That's what Hiroki was going for. You're meant to pop a boner, but be utterly disgusted because she's stabbing a pregnant woman to death in the stomach.
Literally Esdeath 2.0, I fully expect threads full of mental gymnastics to prove that she's not "really" evil.
>That's what we've been lead to believe so far.
What are you implying. Jurg and Beato dated for years and through a war at that.
She's worse than Esdeath. Esdeath at least had a few positives going for her that people could clump around. Beatrix is quite literally an exercise in trying to clump as many negatives onto a character as possible. Not only does she murder children, she sabotages humanity's efforts against the BETA because she's such a huge sadist, she has no likable personality traits, and she's an actual communist nazi.
>That's what Hiroki was going for. You're meant to pop a boner, but be utterly disgusted because she's stabbing a pregnant woman to death in the stomach.
More,more,I want to hear more digusting and brutalish things that Beatrix would do to humanity.
My heart melts for her
>how popular Beatrix was.
She usually gets first or second on the Schwanken polls, so I'd say pretty popular.
He's a competent director, it's just he usually ends up making his own thing which pisses off the core fan-base. Then again, maybe it's not aimed to them. Newcomers seem to like the anime better than those experienced with the source material. I do think it's ridiculous to heap as many bad qualities onto your villains as possible because it very easily turns things farcical rather than serious.
Just from watching the anime, he doesn't seem like the type, at least when compared to his underling.
Well, so long as BiS is running, she'll still probably remain competitive. Over on 2ch they seemed more interested in discussing that rather than the anime, which was being circle shat upon.
To put it simply , the "sister" of the protagonist is annoying. How the RDA accepted her and pressed her into service without training is annoying. The OH SO EVUL Stasi is annoying, to the point that they seem and act real evil moustache-twirling stupid, the inconsistencies are annoying, as why the heck are teenagers pressed into TSF service in Western Europe if up to this point this shouldn't be the case yet, at least so young ones. Annoying. The Sqn acts like it's based in Tokyo, not in the RDA, one would think that with a so bitchy evul Stasi the atmosphere would be different. Annoying. And the main character...ugh.I could say more, but why torture anyone with that. Only one last thing: I don't even know if I am gonna follow it to the end at this point.
Also I am aware that I might come as whiny, but my disappointment is bigger than a jupiter-sized Fort Class.
P.D: RPG's should kill tank Beta class easy.
>make shitty shoestring-budget adaptation of a spinoff to test the waters for future Muv-Luv anime
>it sells well
>make another spinoff adaptation years later
>even lower budget and one cour less for some reason
Hell, only one cour means less BDs to sell, so less money made. Japanese Mub-Lubbers are going to buy all of it no matter what, so why limit it? I don't get it.
>P.D: RPG's should kill tank Beta class easy.
Would he not also been carring a certain backpack like pic related?
don't look at me like that you evil whore I'm not delicious at all
I guess the same reason second seasons usually have less budget than the first. If there will be a third adaption of Muv-Luv I fully expect it to be something like Tesagure. Or, if they're lucky, the guy who makes Teekyuu ran out of content to adopt and took up the job.
Eh, you're making a lot of assumptions, we have no idea what discussions and negotiations they went through before it ended up with Liden. Isn't Satelight busy with Macross Delta anyway?
Nah the explaniton probably is that the RPG hit in such a way that it only destroyed the arm and if he had hit just a little but lower or center mass the the RPG would have penetrated the whole body and not just the arm.
Funny that it is already cowerd in fragments.
Satelight did TE and it was decent enough. If you thought TE was QUALITY, I direct you to Arslan, which Liden also did and is doing the second season of.
Yeah, but it seems obvious to me the reason they went with Liden was because they were so cheap Liden was pretty much the only studio that was willing to do it.
I still don't get the Stasi. The main idea makes some sense (we need to give away freedom to fight BETA), but they manage to fuck it up. For what? You WANT your front-line units happy and effective. You don't want to die, right, because that is what happens when you waste your elites and drop unit morale. Even an idiot knows that.
Now you wasted an efficient major and his squad, you sent off 2 pilots from your pet squad on a suicide mission, and you made it so that you are even more hated. What for? These guys are meat in their TSFs and will likely die within a couple of months anyway. At least have them die thinking they have something to fight for...
If you're an anime-only watcher, the director cut the part where the Stasi come in and save the day, just lot later than they were supposed to arrive. They show up late to show off the their MiG-23s.
Yeah, in the LN it's more murky. Iris accuses them of being late on purpose, but they could've actually run into issues like Beatrix says. The LN never confirms it, even if delaying Iris's rescue would definitely be in character for her.
>“—I have no idea what you mean, Irisdina,” replied Beatrix, her voice dripping with obvious ridicule. “You’ll have to forgive us. Since the maintenance of our TSFs took so much time, we came a little late to your rescue. Our craft, the MiG-23, is infamous for the troubles involved in its upkeep, as I’m sure you are aware.”
Giving that explanation, Beatrix shrugged, the action clearly a deliberate one.
“—Goodness, it’s been really troublesome you know? We finally have a new machine, but it’s persistently treated as a defective unit… it affects the dignity of the GDR, and the prestige of the Ministry of State Security…”
The LN wasn't murky at all about it
Beatrix could be making up shit, or turning a mole hill into a mountain. Again, the LN never establishes who's right. Theo thinks Beatrix is a monster and may have even purposely got them into their situation to begin with. The LN doesn't really confirm or deny it.
Everybody in the Muv-Luv universe pisses themselves on their first fight against he BETA. I'm not kidding. The're ribbing the new guy, except it's not mentioned, so instead you get very thorough super spies instead.
Kinda ticked off she's not taking on Iris's TSF in this, but whatever.
What about her final lines after penetration though. They're rather important you know.
Red is Beato's favorite color, and even the color of her family (just like Iris and the Bernhards have blue). She thew an absolute fit to get her MiG painted red, so I doubt Axmann'll be the pilot.
I wonder why 4chan would lie about what works and what doesn't work against BETA
Episode needed more Anett.
But think about it, Frodo keeps us arguing about ideas even more retarded than usual instead of uniting against the BETA, they are the only ones that benefit from the infighting
The Beatrixfag tears are delicious, aren't they? She's is without doubt the worse waifu ever. Fucking Best Mom from KLK would be a better waifu.
Complex characters and multi faceted villains they said. God you MLfags were full of it.
Except for the soundtrack this anime has been such a let down. It's literally AkG tier. They even have their own shittier and less compelling version Esdeath running around. I'm giving this show one more episode before I decide to drop.
I'll be the one to decide that. Let's see... here is your expedient... mhmm... I see... Very well, I finished the checkup, you are
I don't give a damn if its not in the "anime's" title, the source material is part of the same franchise. Its Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse, its Muv-Luv Alternative: Schwarzemarken, its Muv-Luv Alternative: Euro Front, and so on.
This anime exaggerates and changes a fuck ton, so no, I will continue to love both Beatrix and Irisdina.
Anon, you know there would be different things to complain about in TE season 2, and another studio might also just do 1 cour. There's nothing you can do to change the current situation, so just enjoy what you can.
There's something off with the grunt...His eyes, radiate kawaii, but his beard says otherwise.
>implying twin tails isn't the base whore.
Because it was the first MLA anime, people really wanted it to tunr out well. Also the start was pretty good, it didn't go to shit until the beach part. And after that people just adapted and enjoyed it for what it was.
Shut up Paul. For all its ups and downs, I enjoyed it so speak for yourself.
Yeah. In the LN, Iris just rats on him. Here, everyone says she executed him.
I doubt anime Beato will have a relationship with anime Jurg though. She's more likely to be lovey dovey with Ketchupman than with Jurg.
It's Kurt. He grew the beard after Anna died.
>It isn't in the titular or literal sense.
Its a literal side story set canonically in the Alternative timeline, its a Muv-Luv story regardless of your semantics, don't talk about anyone else beng retarded.
>No, it's not. To either of those. Muv-Luv's tagline is "Save in the name of true love". SM is all about death and love being poisoned or abandoned.
Yeah, because Alternative V and Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After were super bright and cherry to fucking retard.
Everyone hates Beatrix now. She has more haters than fans.
Being a Beatrixfag is suffering.
Yeah, here's another shot, from the OP even. I don't know why they're making all these changes. A lot of them seem like changes for the sake of changing, rather than smartly adapting the source material with what little time they have.
>not noticing the lip-biting and trigger-hesitation
We all know Irisdina is innocent and Axmann's the one who actually does Jurgen in, whether literally or Jurgen committing suicide to protect his sister.
That's a pretty important part and why SM is simply called SM and not ML:SM. The fact you refuse to see that, frankly, makes you the biggest fool of all, especially since we've talked about this subject before.
I don't really see why making Beato so evil is a winning strategy, considering she's the main heroine of their currently running series.
The change was largely unnecessary though. Iris rats out Jurgen, or not. We don't know. Why they had to change it too Iris possibly shooting Jurgen personally doesn't make a lot of sense too me, unless they're trying to put in another psycho moment for Axmann or Beatrix.
>Japan just needs to have veterans who can relate some stuff to them.
Letters from Iwo Jima was pretty good.
MC was just a baker, had his ovens and machinery confiscated for the war and then he was conscripted and sent to Iwo Jima.
One of the best memories I have on /a/ is when all those Sad Panda doujins had to be retagged with incest included once the big reveal was out
Was good because it was made by clint eastwood, the only Japanese involved were the actors and historians.
Japan just doesn't have the attitude or experience to make a decent war anything.
If Beato had gotten the Jurg's D, would she be anywhere near as crazy?
>Japan just doesn't have the attitude or experience to make a decent war anything.
True. But that's from a Western perspective.
From their (Japanese) perspective, it's all about that YAMATO DAMASHII and shit that they lack in modern Jap society.
No emotional brotherhood warbuddy melodrama stuff in the West like BoB.
I could see her being the perfect waifu around Jurgen, but turning into a complete bitch around almost anyone else. Like one moment, crazy stasi cunt, then Jurgen walks into the room and she's a sweet, fawning girl.
They've pretty much appeared in every single scene together. I wouldn't be surprised but I would be angry.
It's definitely happening, just you wait.
>Why did Yuuya and Yui's dad abandon Yuuya's mom?
Yuuya's weaboo mom knew that Yamato damashii was too much for her to be Takamura's waifu since she was gaijin and he a noble. So she left with Yuuya.
Any request for webm, stitches, or transparent?
They seem pretty dead set on making her and Axmann as evil as possible. The tea drinking scene just further confirmed what the post-credits scene of episode 1 showed. They outright did a 180 from the canonical events just to make the stasi even worse.
some retarded, but others plausible.
Frodos aren´t worse than waifufags.
Since a webm wouldn't be able to make it loop, I hope a gif is fine too.
It wouldn't even be anger inducing anymore, just funny. It'd be a parody basically and then I'd know where the director stood concerning SM.
Reminder that Guylos is canonically the greatest TSF pilot in the franchise.
Gretel has barely been in the show at all (weird considering she's like 4th most popular).
You should probably watch the show first (it's not really that bad on it's own merits), then read the VN. If you're going to do one or the other though, the VN is definately better.
And the other scene.
I know, hold on, after the tea request is done.