>>136241808 Same consensus as when it happened, it was awful in every way. Even though she was obviously way more powerful than Madara, he still *felt* more powerful, and her powerlevel was literally the only thing she had over Madara; he was a better fit for the final villian in literally every way. The shoehorned origin myth they gave us 15 chapters before Zetsu killed Madara still doesn't and never will count as foreshadowing. I don't even know if calling her an asspull is fair, since asspulls are supposed to be when the writer writes themselves into a corner and have to write in something new they just thought of to escape the situation. There was no such situation, Kishi scrapped Madara for no reason just to shit Kaguya all over the script. She's a whole magnitude worse than an asspull. Reverse harem jutsu was at least the second best part of the entire war arc which lasted years, so, eh.
>>136243219 >Even though I firmly believe she was hinted at since the beginning of the series Try to explain your delusions to us.
>>136241808 If she was mentioned earlier then it would be quite better. And without Pink hitting her in the head to seal her. But damn, that page and her entire design made me diamonds. If I were Sasque I would just go and fuck her in the castles of those alt dimensions. Problem solved, with a bonus of clan revival in best way possible.
>>136243321 Kimimaro is just a character that appeared in during the arc where the kids try to get Saskue back. From chapter 200 to 230ish, 2009. Then Kaguya and her son is introduced 5 years later near the end of the manga. You honestly believe Kishi created Kimimaro and had planned out Kaguya, her sons and Naruto origin, only to mention it 450 chapters later?
Kishi made it up along the way imo. And provide chapter source on when it says Sharingan evolved from Byakugan in the beginning of the manga.
>>136243321 Those aren't hints, that's called writing a character backwards into the story, Kubo's famous for it in Bleach. The author picks up a bunch of tidbits and details that he wrote years ago and creates something new from them. It's hinting at something if the details are actually, literally hinting at Kaguya herself when they're introduced in the series. Kimimaro had nothing to do with Kaguya or anything else at all when he was introduced, and any relation between his clan and Kaguya is only up to fan speculation. Sharingan being an evolved form of the Byakugan was just yet another way of hyping up the Sharingan, as well as explaining the two dojutsu's similarities in seeing chakra flows.
If the origin story was actually mentioned at any time in the 650+ chapters before the Sage's infodump and Kaguya's introduction proper, that would have at least been a bit of hinting, even if it was only mentioned in passing in the background.
>>136243715 >provide chapter source on when it says Sharingan evolved from Byakugan in the beginning of the manga I hope you're happy for making me waste 15m of my life for you, anon. Chapter 78, asshole.
After carefully absorbing and chewing on these recent developments, I cannot help but wonder why are people still reading this tripe? _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________seriously.
>>136241808 Just an excuse from Kishi to get rid of Madara somehow.
>>136243321 That's not how it works. The only thing that even remotely "hints" towards her is being the fucking Moon Bunny which is a staple of eastern legends. How the moon was present since early on in the manga, constantly shown. It wouldn't be a manga with eastern folklore, culture and legends without the moon rabbit. But I'm certain not even that counts as hint.
>>136244099 >That's not how it works Because you say so, right?
>>136243971 >Those aren't hints Because you say so? >the author picks up a bunch of abloobloobloo That is some serious reaching.
>>136243818 >That's not a hint towards her Because you say so?
>>136243715 >You honestly believe Kishi created Kimimaro and had planned out Kaguya, her sons and Naruto origin, only to mention it 450 chapters later? Um yes. That's how subtle hints work. >imo Yes, I know. You have no real points, just opinions.
>>136244169 Hints have to actually, you know, hint at something. Explain how, without knowing about Kaguya after her reveal, the sharingan/byakugan quip and Kimimaro hint at Kaguya being the final boss. Please.
>>136244291 >the sharingan/byakugan quip and Kimimaro hint at Kaguya being the final boss The Sharingan/Byakugan line was the subject of much speculation all the way up to Kaguya's reveal. Kimimaro nobody could have guessed.
>>136244203 Fighting Madara wouldn't have made no difference, it would have been better in every way. Madara had actually been built up as a character and villian for ages, he was fun as fuck, with motivations that were completely understandable, a key intimidation factor, and he had just spent the last I-don't-even-care-enough-to-count-how-many chapters one-sidedly kicking the asses of almost EVERY NINJA IN THE WORLD AT THE SAME TIME. There's a reason the "is X stronger than Madara Uchiha" meme was spawned, Madara was built up as overpowered shit for wayyy too long, and just when you though he was more than strong enough, Kishi would throw him another hax powerup. And against all belief, Naruto and Sasuke were actually starting to make headway against him, and BAM, he jobs in the most unclimatic, unimpressive way, by Zetsu of all fucking people stabbing him through the chest. Madara was a pretty great final villian, despite, or perhaps because of, how ridiculous and stupidly written his powerlevel was. Kishimoto took the villian he'd been building up for however many arcs out of the story at a climatic moment for absolutely no concievable reason to replace him with a new character that we'd only gotten hinted at 15~ chapters ago.
>>136244355 >was the subject of much speculation That is just simply not true, although I invite you to link me to some prehistoric forum threads discussing theories about that to prove me wrong. Regardless though, I fail to see how that proves it was hinting at Kaguya. You don't seem to understand. Hints don't work backwards. If those were real hints at Kaguya's existence and final boss status, readers would have been able to extrapolate from those "hints" that there was a moon-princess Kaguya that is practically God and literally the progenitor of chakra and therefore all ninja in the world, and that she was going to end up being the final boss. Which is simply impossible to take away from "oh yeah, by the way the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan so they're kinda similar, but the Byakugan is strictly stronger". Keep in mind that in this arc at this moment they're trying to build up Neji as an antagonist, and a powerful ninja, so Kishimoto threw in some flavour text to spice up the world he's creating, but the main purpose of the dialogue is to hype up Neji's strength. The strongest Genin-level character we know of is Sasuke, who is a Sharingan user. And the strongest character we've seen in action (so excluding Hokage etc) is Kakashi, whose whole trick is using the Sharingan to copy the opponent's moves back at them quicker than they can cast them. So to say that Neji has an eye jutsu that's strictly stronger than the Sharingan is so obviously only said in the first place to hype up Neji that I'm amazed I have to explain that's the purpose of the line in the first place. I would also like to point out that even slightly suggesting the Byakugan is better than the Sharingan is so laughable that it makes Kakashi look like the biggest retard in Naruto, which says a lot. Kishimoto obviously wasn't planning more than one or two arcs ahead, unless you're saying he planned for Kaguya but didn't plan anything about the Sharingan.
Naruto ended with the best fight possible, Rock Lee VS Gara. The victory of the former over the later is not unsuspected but it's still a surprise, a sad one, but sad ending are good too. Naruto was trully a good shonen to bad they canceled it after that fight because it was just too good.
I heard some dude made a very long doujin of naruto after that, the plot is that Sasuke decide to follow Orochimaru or something... Not very relevant tho'.
>hype Madara as this ultimate big bad villain and fucking tip toe about whether hes still alive >actually turned out to be alive and delivers the hype >fucking sweeps in and rekt normies using taijutsu >faced all the juubis and the entire ninja alliance while fucking blind >while fucking blind >btfo hashirama >become a literal god >out of fucking nowhere pop this fucking bitch nobody really cared about >madara is gone >naruto is reviving people left and right with a hand shake >sasuke got a new tatoo
>>136244016 Except it doesn't say that. Kakashi's just telling them a rumor, and it turned out to be wrong anyway. They were never the same thing, Kaguya just had both powers in separate eyes and one son started the Hyuuga while the other's kid started the Uchiha.
>>136247100 At least Madara made the Manga enjoyable again. Him and Itachi shenannigans were the only reason to not drop it. At this point no one cared about the story anymore. It was brought ad absurdum after the Pain Arc, and people were just riding the wild ride
>>136244016 "They say" hints more toward speculation than anything else. That subject was never addressed otherwise. And given how aliens only got the byakugan, unless they eat a fruit/flower made of chakra protected by a chakra demon, I'll say the byakugan come from the moon peoples while the sharingan come from the fruit itself. Kaguya is the only alien to have a sharingan because she eat the fruit.
>>136252859 Remember when all the Sharingan did was grant the ability to copy things you see, anticipate movements of your enemy, and discern illusions/genjutsu? It was actually fairly balanced with the Byakugan, which allowed users a 360 field of vision and the ability to see chakra. Then the Sharingan became more and more OP until the Byakugan became literal shit-tier by comparison. What the fuck, Kishi?
>>136241808 If I were to recommend Naruto as a series to anyone I would tell them that they have to drop the series and never attempt to pick it back up again after chapter 450. Just assume the series ended there.
Likewise if anyone ever wanted to pick up Bleach I would tell them to drop the series after the Soul Society arc.
One Piece is a hit or miss. If you like it read the whole thing. If you don't like it then don't bother.
>>136244169 Fucking /a/. Always with the "except you're wrong" bullshit responses. How is this even an argument?
>They are hints Because you say so?
See? It's easy to put in absolutely no effort and pretend I've made a valid point. Saying it multiple times doesn't make it any more substantial.
As for an actual contribution to this mess, several others mentioned previously that the author likely wrote the character in to match up with previously established facts as to justify her existence, rather than drop hints over the course of a decade as if it were all planned out. This is more than likely, given the nature of these long-running shonen stories. It's incredibly unlikely that the final encounter came about as intended, even if it did previously exist as a concept. I say this simply because of the insane investment on the part of Madara's character. If anything, it feels like Kaguya came in just to get him out of the picture.
Of course, no one can actually prove this. We didn't write this shit. I simply feel that you're giving the author far too much credit in this, given the track record that we've seen in Naruto as a whole.
>>136254479 I remember reading the busou renkin mangaka notes at the end of every volume and being shocked at how half assed the whole planning ahead process is even for reputable mangakas. They live and die with every publication, not knowing whether they'll get to draw the next chapter. "You're only as good as your last job" holds doubly true for the poor bastards.
>>136247371 Kakashi never said that the byakugan was stronger, just that it had better insight abilities.
Kakashi himself, Orochimaru, all the rookies and everyone in the village always said that the Uchiha were by far the strongest clan when they were alive, which is an indirect way of saying that the sharingan was the better eyehax.
>>136252859 Actually it's also a telescope (like Hinata was able to look 7, i think it was, miles around her) makes you see through objects, discern clones and chakra color and automatic defense against genjutsu.
>>136250696 At the Pain fight I was really expecting a final battle where Madara/Orochimaru/Random final villain steals the fox from Naruto and all the tailed beasts from their owners so that Naruto has to fight without relying on the fox's skills using sage mode, toads, clones, rasengan and other ninja shit. But then Naruto became friends with the fox and everything went to shit.
>>136246871 We've seen people survive trauma just as massive before, and have had it written off as "because they trained, lol". It's a shonen manga, where if you train long and hard enough, you can derail a train with a single punch and survive a fall from the Eiffel tower. Don't know why you chose to bitch about this
>>136259809 >From the Byakugan sprang the Rinnegan and the Tenseigan and, from the Rinnegan sprang the Sharingan, >all eyes developed from the Byakugan, which was the origin.
More like; Alien with byakugan gain rinnegan from a chakra fruit > this sprang the tenseigan but the rinnegan separate immediately (the tensaigan has nothing to see with the rinnegan en so does the byakugan) > the rinnegan devolved to give the sharingan, while the tenseigan devolved unto the byakugan.
You could also say the rinnegan separated itself from the byakugan because the chakra fruit consider alien eyes like a parasite.
>>136254811 Reading shit like this makes me sad. And I'm sad that it makes me sad, because it shouldn't, 'cause it's Naruto and I shouldn't really care.
Why does the sharingan have to be basically the big special thing of checkra and, by proxy, the big thing of the ninja world,. Like it's basically the origin of ninjas? 'cause it spawned from the chackra fruit itself. Why can't the sharingan stay as it was in the beggining, just another special ability with strenghts and weakenesses which makes fights interesting in the context of whatever conflict is going on on the story in any given moment. You know? Drama, stakes, tension!
Like how Guy had this elaborate tactic against the sharingan because of his fights vs. Kakashi by not looking him in the eyes 'cause that's one of the sharingan's strenghts.
But no, they just kept dumping more and more extra stuff it could do until it became so fucking powerfull anyone who didn't have it was fucked. I mean, remember the original powers? You can read movement and de facto predict attacks and copy any jutsu. Seems pretty fucking useful, right? Yeah, what was the last time it was used as that? The written exam in the chuunin arc?
By the end the jutsu copying thing doesn't even make sense since the sharingan already inherently posseses all the strongest jutsu.
Then you got the most powerful genjustsu which literally is so OP in theory that you win any fight as soon as your opponent makes eye contact with you. Damn that's strong, even though it is counterable if well prepareed against it. When was the last time that power made a difference? Itachi coming to the villlage?
By the end, you could just look in the eye of even the most powerful sharingan wielder and is just fine.
Seriously, I can't think of any other power in a shonen manga with so much storytelling potential botched.
>>136261771 I agree, anon. The tenseigan was only invented for the Last and will likely never appear again, but since narutard are like "muh the last is canon" you gotta include it. Nevermind that it make as little sense as any other naruto movies before it.
>>136261836 >the whole reason he made chidori was because he could not complete the rasengan. That bullshit and you know it. The truth is that the rasengan is an exclusive signature move for naruto look-alikes and wannabes and no other character can learn it. It's a legacy and it isn't meant to be questionned that much.
>>136262019 For all we know, Kaguya wasn't originaly stronger than her cousins. She was just lucky to got her hands on a actual chakra fruit while most her cousins resort to vials of special chakra until they find one.
Hagumoto and his brother are the inventors of ninshu, and they actually developed their abilities in any significant way to fight against their overpowered mother.
The aliens, when they have an overpowering power, that's it, that's all it is for them, they don't see what it can really do, how to really use it, or if it can be taken further.
If an alien ever had a sharingan, that's all it would ever be for them, it would just be a one tomoe, they wouldn't even realize it could be some bullshit like Mangekyou.
Hagumoto and his brother were the most bullshit people in the past, so they're the people that could develop their shit the furthest, since they had to develop shit the furthest to stand a chance.
Because of this, Hameru was the only Byakugan user who tried to take that eye to its limits and see what it could do, unlike those lazy aliens.
He eventually realized that it could do a lot of shit, and promptly sealed it away before it could get into evil hands, and seperated his two bloodlines so no one else could ever come across this power either.
I mean damn, Kaguya and Momoshiki can't even use Rinnegan correctly at all, and people bitch "Ummm, plot hole, they should have Tennseigan, despite it requiring an assload of specific things and super training, to the point that only one guy has ever had it before, plot hole".
That ain't a plot hole, aliens are all about raw power, but know almost nothing about technique and honing shit to its limits. Which is what Ninshu, and with time Ninjutsu was all about.
>>136262595 >I killed the entire clan and told you to bear hatred for me forever so you turned out to be a psychopath >I then would have manipulated you with my friend's jutsu to do what I considered would be right >but hey, it's okay because I loved you!
>>136260096 See shit like this only drives home how bad Kishimoto is as a writer. Normally I think "oh I could write better", so maybe it's just bias, but then some assfuck on an anonymous forum can write a 100x better story starting from any point in the series. A climax where Naruto loses the fox and has to rely on his own power would have actually kept in line with, and delivered on the series' supposed theme of "hard work and determination will carry you to victory, you can't rely on bloodlines and destiny bullshit". Except instead Naruto cooperates with the Fox and relies heavily on its power even more than he ever did before, and we already know that Naruto wouldn't have gotten through any of his major hardships without unintentionally relying on the Fox's powers, including his fight in the very first chapter, since no fox = no shadow clones = Naruto and Iruka dead in a forest.
>>136263628 Naruto can still do a shitload of shadow clones even without the fox, he did like dozens in the forest of death after Orochimaru sealed the fox's power and still had plenty of energy after that to fight Kiba right away.
>>136263628 I'm >>136260096 And here is the thing, as the other guys said, Naruto has an unnatural amount of chakra even without the fox, and in the beginning of the series before meeting Jiraiya Naruto has this seal on his belly that is somehow botched and messes with his ability to use chakra (I forgot the details now). So in the pain fight he gets taken over by the fox again and becomes berserk and that is when I thought that the series was getting to the point where Naruto would have to get rid of the fox in order to grow especially since sage mode was just introduced as an alternative powerup. But nope, fox is good after all, frogs and toads are useless, who cares about sage mode, etc.
>>136263957 I remember years ago, my friend started watching Naruto so I watched some episodes with him, he's in the chuunin exams. >Kiba fight comes up >I can't remember how Naruto wins this one >fight is actually interesting since I don't know how it ends >Naruto *accidentally* farts in Kiba's face >Kiba's stunned and Naruto just beats the shit out of him while he can't react What the fuck, Kishimoto? Naruto's great triumph was due to accidentally passing gas out of fear for his life?
>>136241808 She may have been an asspull, but I liked her, if only because she caused obnoxious Madarafags to gain massive amounts of butthurt. I was actually getting real tired of Madara asspulling his way to victory. It was only fitting that he be bested by an asspull in the end.
>>136241808 Best villain of the entire arc. Fuck Madara and fuck Obito.
>>136241961 The twist may have been dumb, but the Kaguya Arc was great. It made the series interesting again, seeing the characters jump dimensions and fight a mysterious goddess.
>>136243281 No, fuck you and Madara. Madara was an Aizen-wannabe who had long overstayed his welcome. He was a cancerous tumor than had to be excised.
>>136244385 No, Obito and Madara were shit. Kaguya was a goddess.
>>136246102 If you were hyped for Madara as a final boss, then you don't really have any right to complain. Madara was such a Gary Stu piece of shit. Go write your own manga where Itachi and Madara try to out-Stu each other for 500 chapters.
>>136246945 >people actually liked Madara Why is this allowed?
>>136265474 >cool dimensions, with color and scope >Team 7 has to work as a team to win >Kakashi gets a power up and gets to win a fight for the first time in 15 years >Obito dies like the little bitch he is >villain has Byakugan, making the eyes relevant again
>>136266151 yeah heard its pretty good and i can say he is definetly better than Kishi when it comes to story iirc the novel is about if Gaara doesn't have child Shikamaru's clan would eventually inherit the Kazekage title so village elders forced him to marry with someone if you like Crusader Kings 2 id say go ahead and read it
the fact that she was pants on head insane was pretty cool but she came way out of left field and was poorley handled. in my opinion madara should have been the final boss and then have kaguya be the one they fight in The Last instead of that one faggot from the moon
>>136253738 >>136256128 Jesus I can't believe I actually remember this. I initially came for a chance of rabbit lewd because milf goddesses is the shit and deserves more love.
But Rasengan was just pure chakra control which Minato figured out by watching at least one of the tailed beast doing the beast bomb. So he first showed it of to Jiraya because Jiraya was cool sensei and later to Kakashi because he was the junior.
IIRC Kakashi can do the rasengan but experimented with seals to create chidori because he could not infuse natural chakra to his rasengan.
>>136262627 What career path do you think Boruto and Sarada's kid will pick? Do you think she'll choose to become a ninja like her parents? Or would she be so jaded by her overwhelming power that she'd say "fuck this shit, I just wanna be a schoolteacher or soething"? I actually wanna see her in a jounin uniform, the only times the grills in Naruto have done anything for me have been the times they were in uniform
naruto is about fucking wizards and asspulls under the guise of japanese culture "ninjas". Half the shit mentioned in naruto is introduced and forgotten in the span of a single arc. Power levels got way out of hand and Kishimoto went for the overdone japanese trope of fighting God when jump realized that money only keeps flowing as long as there is another big bad enemy.
Naruto's theme went from the power of hard work and dedication vs. natural talent, to suddenly naruto is the godking of everything and the reincarnation of a fuck noone gives a shit about.
Kaguya was an asspull, and not having sasuke as the final villain was a clear cave in to shipping faggots.
>>136276792 the absence of warrior monks in a series about goddamn ninja's is kind of bewildering I mean, I know there was a little of that with Asuma's 13 Fire Nation Ninja Guardians (or whatever they were called), but the fact that we never got a temple of ancient mystic monks is kinda sad, considering all the sage stuff that was going on. Maybe in a better world, we'd have seen Naruto square of against martial arts monks, and Rock Lee and Gai would finally have found their lost people
>>136277201 This. It was hollow having Guy be a way for Madara to kill time whilst Naruto and Sasuke rebooted. I mean, it was an impotant role for him to play, as the Kage's and everyone worth shit was down at the time, but denying him victory after he laid it all down was just mean spirited. Not to mention that was the first time we saw the 8th Gate in action, and after having it hyped up so much throughout the series, it was lame to have it be rendered ineffective against the opponent, even if the opponent was Madara. What well and truly pains me is that having Gai weaken Madara enough for him to be taken over by Kaguya would have been a much more elegant transition into the Kaguya battle, and would have crowned Gai as "The Fucker who beat the strongest Ninja who ever lived with his bare hands"
>>136277201 >>136277632 Let's be real, a secondary character was never going to be the one to beat what was at the moment the final boss when he already assraped the two MCs and the 5 ninja presidents. The only way the story could have gone is Naruto and Sasuke defeating Madara or something stupid like replacing him with another final boss.
Guy getting to be hailed by Madara as the strongest person he ever faced besides Hashirama and Kakashi declaring that Guy became the strongest of the two is more than any other character besides Naruto and Sasuke got to do.
>>136277922 I guess. Maybe Kishi WAS initially tempted to give Gai a victory against Madara, but was discouraged from doing so by the almighty word of the Editor. Oh well. Here's to Metal Lee; may he be relevant and give us at least two good fight scenes. And may he answer the long standing question of who Lee boned to get him, seriously its driving me insane
I recently read the entire manga cause I was feeling like reading a cheesy shounen. It was somewhat enjoyable but didn't like some parts. For example impure world resurrection was like total bullshit. I can't believe they can just resurrect a fuckton of dead people (whose corpse should either be well guarded, or lost somewhere) with no consequences other than having to sacrifice one person or something like that. Anyways, are any of the action scenes from the anime worth watching? I wanted to enjoy some of the combats but when I started I tried to take a look at some of the exam scenes and didn't like the animation at all. Is any of them well animated?
>>136241808 I reckon behind the scenes executives and the suits forced kishi to drag it out and milk it. More characters more toys more video games and just ride the popularity and success of it which has even transcended over to the US must be worth millions. I genuinely think this is definitely in no way how kishi had the ending planned when he started . I feel it could of ended after akatsuki was defeated after Pain fight then naruto and sasuke should of fought , one dies , either or...
>>136243306 They specifically told you about the goddess of chakra and how she got it, then showed the sage and his brother "SEALING" herand th tale about where the sharingan came from. What the fuck do you guys think would happen when someone used the fucking embodiment of the goddess powers while his eyes kept evolving from a sharingan? John Cena?
>>136284203 After Pain there were still thousands of loose ends.
>Tobi >Kisame and Zetsu still alive >Sasuke wanting to destroy the village >Akatsuki still missing the 8 tails and the 9 tails >The Hashirama/Madara stuff >Orochimaru and Kabuto >We still hadn't seen three of the five kages >What happened when the nine tails attacked
>>136284487 Yeah your right but it did not have to go this route of the big ninja war and the reanimation bs, bringing in all these dumb characters especially in the anime. What's wrong with sticking with the original ones that we are emotionally invested in. Sometimes I think the producers told him they want a war in the series to rival that of the epic one piece marineford war. Greatest arc in anime history
>>136284487 I kind of wish Konan had been given a little more relevance. Her personality was completely flat after Yahiko bit it, and she died a pointless jobber's death after Nagato died too. She didn't even get resurrected by Kabuto, despite her huge destructive potential.
Would've also been nice if Kisame had somehow survived/been resurrected to see past the end of the war.
>>136284712 Alot of that potential was based upon her paper tools which makes her less ideal for Edo tensei than others. Sure there are ways around that like forcing her to make paper bombs nonstop for the weeks of preptime but that would require creativity and we can't have that.
>>136285039 Surely Tobirama would rejoice at finding the second stable, not batshit Uchiha in history and seeing her unholy cosmic power leashed to the good of the village by the reincarnation of his brothers ancestors ghost.
>>136241808 Fighting against the Moon Goddess of Chakra. I like it but it couldve been handled way better than what we got. Like not pulling it out of your ass because you didnt know how to kill madara in your shitty story. You had your chance with Guy but you blew it.
>>136291536 Yeah, it's one of those things Kishi didn't think about when he put it in. Like how ungodly stupid and useless Hagoromo would have to be to not save the world with it in his first week as the ten tails jinchuriki. Using it to give people chakra was a good start, but he had no follow up.
It casts a shadow over the whole post-war ninja world because Naruto and the others never legitimately beat Madara. If Black Zetsu was a little less retarded in choosing his time to backstab Madara, the bad guys would have won.
>>136291698 >how ungodly stupid and useless Hagoromo would have to be
He kind of was
>hands everyone magic powers and expects them not to kill each other with them >couldn't get his sons to stop fighting each other >had his mom inside him for years and never found out about it >dying act was to make a giant petting zoo >hid his mom's body in the moon but kept the keys to it inside his magic eyeballs
>>136292155 To be fair, when he gave everyone magic powers the only thing it could do was give everyone super empathy touch, it wasn't until later when everyone remembered his mother could spit fire and shit did they start killing each other.
And to be fair again, people in Naruto forgot there wasn't a moon a thousand years ago so it wasn't like his gambit was unfounded.
>>136292228 Obviously they learned to reproduce en masse. How else can you ensure your Edgeternal Mangekyo Sharingan.
>>136292250 The Uchiha are fucked at this point. There is only two of them now which means they are genetically going to get wiped out unless Salad starts busting out the kids ASAP since Sasuke isn't havin any more kids.
>>136292372 I'd guess Madara never really spammed it in normal fights? It's not like there would be a way to use Susano'o in a massive battle in close quarters without fucking your own guys up. Madara was a shit but he did like his own eye repositories enough to not kill them on a whim.
>>136292433 Valley of the End isn't that close to civilization. Even at such a large size, people would know better than to approach that shit.
>>136292446 Danzo never killed any Uchiha for their eyes. How dare you dare insinuate Danzo would have done as such.
Also even if that fact wasn't true and within the entire history of the Uchiha, Madara and Tobi never acquired more Sharingan through less than reputable means, they are still predestined edgelords who fall into darkness with the outliers only being the Uchiha who inundate themselves with Senju-influenced philosophy of the village over the clan IE Shisui, Kagami and Itachi.
>>136292543 Dunno man, sounds more like uchiha are predestined tools for kishi's idea of drama than to be edgelord. Plus Madara seems to have too much fun in what he does to be an actual edgelord. Obito is coolest guy though.
>>136292752 Madara is the ultimate edgelord. If it wasn't for the fact he actually enjoys fighting, what we see Obito turn into is basically what Madara ended up becoming. Zetsu basically explains that Madara is just having a cry and taking it out on the world.
>>136292930 Silly anon, there is two Uchiha left. Even if Tsunade was somehow the only Senju left in existence which is very unlikely, the rest of the village adheres to the Senju way. No-one cares about the Uchiha way.
>>136292971 But you even posted two pages where Itachi more or less explains this. Sure, he never outright says that the Uchiha used to steal each others eyes to fuel their insane one shot immortality jutsu, but surely you can infer that since they created a whole other jutsu for the express purpose of stopping people from going blind using a jutsu to save their own lives that they were jacking each others eyes left and right to keep their bullshit going to cause a problem big enough it needed fixing.
There's no way an Uchiha would give up sight in one of their sharingan just to stop one or two other people from going blind. They're insane, but not that kind of insane.
>>136293495 Man, you know if Bort and Salad had kids, the Uzumaki DNA would whiteknight the fuck out of the Uchiha DNA and let it be dominant for the continued existence of the clan when it should be wiped out due to superior Uzumaki and Hyuga genetics.
>>136243971 >Kimimaro had nothing to do with Kaguya or anything else at all when he was introduced
Are you retarded? He was from the Kaguya clan which was entirely wiped out. Orochimaru considered him a superior vessel to a sharingan user, but couldn't use him since he was terminally ill. There was no question that this was foreshadowed from the very beginning. Kishi's only mistake was not laying it on a bit thicker for the autistic children like yourselves.
>>136294030 > Kishi's only mistake was not laying it on a bit thicker
no, inserting vague and meaningless flavor to the characters he introduced was the greatest choice he ever made as a writer because it allowed him to asspull as much as he wanted to while having autistic retards such as yourself to defend him
>>136295541 The fact that Kaguya clan is descended from Kaguya Ōtsutsuki was fact when she was first introduced, near the END of the manga. Anything related to the Kaguya clan was irrelevant and never mentioned until then ever since Kimimaro died.
There is lots of examples of the moon having a bigger plot in the story and foreshadowing. But you're the delusional one, thinking Kaguya was all planned out and foreshadowed from the beginning where Kishi created Kimimaro and Kaguya clan lore.
Naruto dropped the ball so hard. So many possible ways to develop the story.... I never liked Madara, all these people going MADARA BEST VILLAIN... but he just fed into this Uchiha and Sharingan are the STRONGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing that was oprobably what made me start to lose interest. By the time Kaguya was introduced, I laughed my ass off, because the story had long past the point of self parody.
>>136305010 There are only two to my knowledge. One is in English and is kind of terrible, and the other one is Japanese but was only released during an event and hasn't been scanned. There's a small bit of 34 of Kaguya, though. I found some on paheal and gelbooru by searching.
>>136290614 The Uchiha eventually had to be put down, in an act that even Sarutobi never really acknowledged as a mistake, when they tried to betray and overthrow the Leaf. They're bound by the Curse of Hatred, and Sharingan activation canonically makes them grow even more insane. Almost every Uchiha we've seen, going back to Madara, is a genocidal, selfish asshole. Everyone in the series has lost people, but only Obito snapped and killed thousands over the death of one girl (Ino and Shikamaru find out that he killed their parents and actually continue carrying out their mission).
Three of the Hyuga end up sacrificing their lives to save other people. Even Hiashi wasn't nearly edgy as he first appeared and genuinely cared about his twin brother and Neji. Neji was the son he wished Hinata had been.
>>136309715 Basically it turned out the bad guy was only a puppet of this bigger badder guy who was then revealed to be a puppet as of some other guy, this guy in a shocking revelation was only a puppet of some black guy who wanted his mommy back. Mommy finally did come back and she was the ultimate bad guy end boss. Luckily, Nardo defeated her with his reverse sexy no jutsu. Sauce became a one armed hobo/deadbeat dad and Nardo became Hokage.
>>136309715 The only things you really need to know: through a very long and convoluted war arc, it's revealed that Obito was the masked dude who turned edgy because kakashi killed his waifu, but then it turns out Madara was the one pulling obitos strings because he wanted to put everyone in an infinite genjutsu, but then it was actually a magic rabbit lady pulling Madaras strings because she wanted to return to power. All of them get taken care of but then of course sasuke says he wants to kill the 5 K.O.'d kage because reasons, naruto wants to stop him and so they fight. Sasuke admits defeat after they blow each others arms off and everything goes back to normal sans a third of the Shinobi population.
>>136310092 >Nardo defeated her with his reverse sexy no jutsu
No, he didn't, that failed.
They defeated her because Obito teleported from the dead, gave Kakshi his eyeballs, which Kakashi used to summon a giant intangible chakra gundam that created an opening for Naruto and Sasuke to grope the bunny goddess to death.
>>136310316 >They defeated her because Obito teleported from the dead, gave Kakshi his eyeballs, which Kakashi used to summon a giant intangible chakra gundam Ah yes, offcourse. I forgot about the smaller details.
Is the anime worth a watch? The aura of faggotry surrounding the community has put me off, but then again AoT and OPM are the same, yet the actual animes were good (well, AoT was for the first 6-7 episodes).
>>136309868 oh yeah and an Uchiha killing almost all existing Uchiha is any better... seriously event he good Uchiha got crazy and would kill lots of people for some reason or another... If Uchiha was in your blood there will be blood everywhere eventually.
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