Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1378

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
To work hard. To open new doors for our kids, for our grandkids. To renew our spirit. That's what America is about.

>>136238591 I was right there with you when I first learned katakana, and now (only 2 months in) I don't even have to think about it. It really isn't that hard once you get to the point where you're fluently reading rather than having to think separately about each character.

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>>136239088
>It really isn't that hard once you get to the point where you're fluently reading
You're tellin' me it isn't hard to read something when you're good enough to fluently read?

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Do you guys listen to any music while reading?

>>136239123
I have a BGM playlist on foobar containing tracks chosen for being good ambient music to play during reps, LN reading and pretty much anything

>>136239123
I myself masterbate while repeating vocab in my head over and over again.
Surprisingly it works.

>>136239123
I listen to the VN music. Over and over and over and over.

>>136239257
This is, hands down, the worst thing about VNs.

>>136239112
The point is there was no extra effort put into specifically learning to distinguish those similar-looking characters, it came naturally with getting better at reading just like reading the rest of the kana.

>>136239214
>foobar
>>>/g/

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I finished my first book. What a wonderful feeling.

>>136239279
Too bad there's no option to mute music in any VN ever made. Oh well.

>>136239312
Yeah but you screw yourself over when there's some plot progression and a corresponding change in track.

>>136239279
You can turn off the sound.

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>>136239309
I remember when I finished my first VN, back on Thursday, March 12th, 2015, 1:48pm. Took this screenshot to commemorate it. How things have changed in the year since.

>>136239279
Actually, the worst thing is a scene with a horribly loud sound effect that keeps repeating. Natives get through it in a few seconds, but it can take several minutes for learners. I had to take my headphones off for some of the phone ringing scenes in Flyable Heart because I couldn't stand it anymore.

>about to launch an attack on an enemy force
>自分で後発を締める！
>先発は君が突っ込んで！
Do 後発 and 先発 have some specific meaning in a military context? Not sure what they're meant to be referring to here.

I'm really can't wait to finish writing writing practice. Both for the sake of the recognition benefits (which I'm definitely seeing) and being done with this massive time sink that's only going to get bigger as I get closer to the end.

At least I can look at it this way, though: I barely just started, and I'm already 1/10th of the way through.

>>136239826

>those typos

Yep, tired.

>>136239826
Er anon, if you stop writing at any point you'll begin to lose your ability to write, you know? It even happens to Japanese people

>>136239903
Fuck off back to reddit.

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It warms my heart to know that the Japanese versions of us act exactly the same.

>>136239580
だ- 誰か？

>>136239393
I had the same problem in Euphoria.
The screams of someone slowly and painfully being electrocuted to death are great and all but with all of this new vocab I had to work through it went on for just a little too long.
I recommend putting Euphoria off until you're a little more proficient in the language because of this.

>>136240061
>tumblr

What the fuck are you doing?

>>136240267
Tumblr actually has a sizeable isolated Japanese community that use it to repost weird shit. That said, I got that specific image from a 2ch IRC channel. Also, you can't learn Japanese.

>No Writing: “WHAT? NO WRITING?” you scream. I know what you’re thinking. “That’s stupid!” But think about it for a moment. When’s the last time you actually wrote something by hand? Probably the last time you had to sign your name on a receipt at a restaurant. The need to write by hand is going down, down, down. Typing is the wave of the future. Plus, if you spend all the time needed to learn how to read AND write… you’re doubling or tripling the amount of total time needed to learn hiragana. This guide will teach you how to read hiragana very quickly, but writing will need to come later. It’s a lot faster to learn writing once you’re able to read well, anyways.
Based Tofugu wins again.

DJT please tell me there is a real way to learn this shit without anki. I can't take it anymore.

>>136240553
Read.

>>136240570
But there has to be a special way of doing it doesn't there? If I just read then the kanji will just go in one eyeball and out the other

>>136239924

Is baby a little cranky now that they found out their writing efforts are futile?

>>136240553
>>136240596

Don't fucking drop anki. I know that it's a chore, and I know that the idea of learning Japanese without having aspects that firmly fall under the category of "work" might sound appealing, but you'll regret it.

If you're skipping days, stop that. That makes the load horrible.


>>136240656

He's not me.

>>136240596
Someone said masturbating and reading at the same time helped their memory.

>>136240656
Er, I think you're, like, um, projecting, dude.

>>136240723

How can I be projecting when I've never written before you dumb little parrot?

>/DJT/ rejects learning methods based on where they originate.
heeheehee

I'm 26 and trying to learn a language, I'll be dead before it happens. I hope you guys started sooner than I did.

>>136240784
What are you talking about?

>>136240541

Writing helps with recognition, especially when dealing with strange fonts and handwriting, both of which are all over the place in manga, vidya, and VNs.

>>136241005
Work hard and you can do it before you're 30.

>>136241069
The thing you need to consider is that writing seriously adds a HUGE amount of time to studying, I won't fake a number like Textfugu did (is it really double? I don't know). Yeah, writing benefits recognition. But does it benefit recognition MORE than what you'd get from using that time to just read more? As someone who can read VNs without a texthooker and never wrote, for me, no way.

>>136241151

I suppose that the answer to that depends on your answers to the following questions:

Are you running into trouble consistently recognizing kanji?
Are you capable of recognizing kanji in weird fonts?
If no, is it important to you that you be able to read everything that you encounter in Japanese?

>is it really double? I don't know

It can't consistently be double, since what qualifies as "double" depends on how much you study.

>>136241144
Depressing as fuck.

>>136241451
He's fucking with you.
JLPT N2 is achiveable in a year and a half, less than that if you study for more than 4 hours a day.
That's all you need for hentais and talking to jps

>>136239580
Anyone? Are there no N1-friends around? This thing has been giving me the shits all day, surely someone knows what the hell it's meant to mean. Will suck dicks.

>>136241287

I agree with that guy, it's just not an efficient way to spend your time. When you're only just learning the language, your focus should be elsewhere than font/handwriting recognition because it's something that only becomes relevant very occasionally.

While you will no doubt occasionally bump into kanji you'll have a hard time recognizing because of it, it's such an uncommon occurrence that being able to understand the language should be first priority. You can go deeper in that stuff afterwards if you think it's something you need, but when you're at the stage when you can't yet read the language properly even in normal font it is not something to burn time on.

>>136241451

Stop being such a baby, most people in this world would love to be as young as 26.

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Just

>>136241916
I-is that the number of reviews you have? This is bait, right?

>>136241754
JLPT level 2 aint shit nigger

>>136242019
WaniKani a best.

>>136242034
Says the guy that can't read kana ...

>>136242019
New lessons, not reviews.

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>136242066
Nice try fag. I am above level 2. Level 2 aint shit. Bet you think the joyo kanji are all you'll ever see too.

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>>136242034
>JLPT level 2 aint shit nigger
I knew somebody would post that, that's why I said 2.
2 is second highest, JLPT goes from 5->1
It seems like you've fallen for my trickery.

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>read non non biyori
>christmas 4-koma
>they all say what they wrote on santa's wishlist
>Hotaru wrote "a necktie, because papa said he wanted a new one"

>tfw you'll never have a daughter that loves you this much
Learning Japanese makes me sadder every day

>>136242216
I didn't fall for it. Level 2, second highest, is only 6000 words and not even all the kanji. That doesn't count as having learned Japanese.

>>136242327
>この日本...！！ わあああああああああ！！！ この日本... 世の中を変えたい！
never4get

>>136242148
Don't even bother if you're going to be this late. People have already given up because you didn't post on time. Leave.

>>136242216

Go to a restaurant that serves foreign food to immigrants from their country of origin.

Talk to the waiters there.

If they can hold a very rough conversation, chances are that they're basically JLPT N2 level.

JLPT N2 will work for children's manga (mostly; it'll still fall short from time to time, i.e. with vocabulary that's very specific to the genre) and very simple, polite conversations with distant acquaintances, but in order to read anything more advanced and make meaningful friendships, you need much more.

N1 is fluency, good for most basic topics but will still fail you when speaking to very educated people who like their large vocabularies.

And if you're planning on reading fiction not aimed at 3rd graders, the N1 doesn't even represent half of what you ultimately need.

>>136242148

How about I punch your other eye out?

>>136242216
Man this game was fucking ugly. Could have been such a nice style, too.

>>136242455
Holy shit I never noticed she was missing an eye.

>>136242448
How long does N1 usually take, 2-3 years?

>>136242539
If you're over 6-years-old? About five years.

>>136242362
>learning Japanese = learning kanji
Why is this general filled with elitist retards?

>>136242496
isn't she just, you know, winking?

>>136242627
ナイスベイトですね

>>136242627
Is this is a serious post?

>>136239309
That sounds delightful. :)

>>136242539

If you're working at it everyday, but at a relatively slow (but not ridiculously slow) pace? Maybe three years.

If you're really going at it? Somewhere between one and two.

Some people get there in less than a year.

>>136242704
>less than a year to n1

God that sounds sexy

>>136242539
I really never know anyone to do it in less than 3. Some people here will tell you otherwise, good for them. I personally, have yet to see it. If you are a neet who studies every day you will, but the average person probably won't make it even in 3 years. Over 3 years, it's about 10 words a day + gotta do kanjis and general practice and shit. Plenty of people have taken longer, especially if they don't study hardcore and have a job and shit.

>>136241005
I started in 2012, and was 25 then.
I'm 29 now and I passed the winter 2014 JLPT N2 and very likely passed the winter 2015 N1 (results aren't out yet, but looking at the leaked answers it's very unlikely that I failed)

You can do it if you just study instead of whining.

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>白手袋と思いください
Guessing this is some kind of metaphor, but can't find any explanation, anyone know it?

>>136242704
Nobody gets there in less than a year, das bullshit. I've heard people do it in a little over a year, but not less than a year. Less than a year is 30 words a day or more. Gotta be neet to even make that physically possible. Some newfags will say they do 30 words a day easily, that's because they don't even have 1000 cards in Anki yet.

If you can prove me wrong I'd like to see it though.

>>136243093
Chinks can do it in under a year I heard

Going to try and prove this theory in july

>>136243093
>30
>alot
Ive been doing 60 for awhile after I finished core 2k/6k and it isnt very hard
Do people actually do 10 or 20 words a day?
thats like 2 minutes in anki

>>136242362
>and not even all the kanji
Hey anon, not even natives learn all the kanji.

>>136242704
>Some people get there in less than a year.
Not those without a character background.

>>136242879
Not when you realize that it requires 8+ hours of study a day

>>136243140
New cards =/= learning new words
I'd love to see you retain 20 new words in 2 minutes.

>>136243093

>Gotta be neet to even make that physically possible.

There are plenty of NEETs here.

> Some newfags will say they do 30 words a day easily, that's because they don't even have 1000 cards in Anki yet.

I'm almost at 4.4k, and I do 30 words per day without much trouble.


>>136243140

I feel like DJT is filling up with lazy retards and timid, easily confused cowards lately. It really goes against what we represent.

>>136243121
The Chinese, Nepalese, Mongolians, Koreans, etc. that go from nothing to passing N1 within a year are the very, very few and those that do are usually poor immigrants who enrol in illegal learning schools which are basically like a drill camp in shitty conditions where the people are having shit drilled into their head for hours a day, have hours a day of homework, and all done while working minimum wage jobs to barely cover living expenses. The sort of people who go from nothing to passing N1 in a year are the sort of people who are learning Japanese because they desperately need the language in order to survive.

>>136243193
>New cards =/= learning new words
How?
2 minutes was a exaggeration but I could easily do that in 10 my reps only take me about a hour max if I am being lazy

>>136243196
Probably, thread seems alot different within the last month or so

>>136243196
>I feel like DJT is filling up with lazy retards and timid, easily confused cowards lately. It really goes against what we represent.
Keep pulling your dick, anon. The elitist attitude around here is a really poor facade which is entirely unsupported by evidence.
Like /a/ and maybe /v/, the board is full of teenagers who like to think they are better then everyone else online but in reality are more likely to be bitter failures.

>>136243304
DJT is really good for getting people motivated to do more though. Every time someone says 30 words a day is easy it makes me want to push harder.

I prefer that to reddit, where you hear about "Ima finish Genki 2 in 3 months" or whatever it was.

>>136243193

The whole point of daily repetition is breaking your natural limits to memorizing words.

Most probably won't sink in on day one, but on day two, day three, and day four? And this is happening day after day, with a new batch each time. You're effectively memorizing [insert your new card amount] new words per day, assuming that you never hit "good" when you got that shit wrong.


>>136243304

>Criticizing me makes you immature!

This is one of the ironic mentalities that you can have. Grow the fuck up.

>>136243339
DJT is a shithole of shitposting, but it really does make me want to push harder and do better.

I guess bullying really is the best motivation.

>>136243390
Brah when I wanted to kill myself it was people on the web telling me I'm an emo faggot that snapped me out of it. Truth is harsh.

>>136243339

It's similar to the difference between being a beginner in working out and being surrounded by people who take their lifting seriously and can't stand people selling themselves short and being stupid vs. being surrounded by coddlers who encourage you to eat pizza and not push yourself as hard as you can under that bar.

Of course, the latter comes up with all kinds of excuses and baseless arguments to justify slacking off, but that doesn't change that all they're ultimately doing is keeping themselves from their goals.

>>136243061
欧州の　紳士は　相手に　白手袋を　投げる　
のが　決闘（けっとう）の　宣戦布告（せんせん　ふこく）　でしょう?

am I wrong?

>>136243339
What are you talking about with the "Ima finish genki..." thing?

>>136243513
Oh, so they're being westaboos, guess that makes sense. Thanks.

>>136243559
Idk, it was some reddit post someone brought over here for people to mock. Some guys new years resolution was to finish a Genki textbook in a few months. If you've ever looked at one of these textbooks, well, you'll notice they're not that long.

>>136243617
If he was doing it in college it would take at least 2 semesters. 3 months is actually fast compared to that.

>>136242968
>29 and posting on 4chan
What the fuck dude.

>>136243681
I'm also 29. Been here for 8-10 years. There is really no place you can go after 4chan. Remember, you are here forever.

>>136239580

誰か、助けてください〜

もうこの疑問で頭がどうにかなりそうよぉぉぉ

>>136233096
Shit man, this isn't that bad, I might watch all of it.

>>136243264
How the fuck do I get myself enrolled in one of these japanese concentration camps?

>>136240159
I recommend putting Euphoria off forever and ever.

>>136244005
this is just the worst

>>136243663

When assessing your life, do you use "better than Christian Weston Chandler" as a means of setting your goals?

Language education is fucked by education politics and the restraints of a class that meets for four and a half hours per week. It's really not a good measure for what your road forward should look like.

>"Better than Christian Weston Chandler" is better than not holding yourself to any kind of standard at all.

That doesn't make it a good standard to hold yourself to. Find someone who is what you want to be, learn from him, and aimed to match or surpass him. Unless your goal is "NEET" or "random asshole who's utterly mediocre in all aspects of life", I can guarantee you that he takes his progress very seriously.

>>136243093
>Some newfags will say they do 30 words a day easily, that's because they don't even have 1000 cards in Anki yet.
I do 30 a day, finished 6k+1.5k mined and still going. I doubt I'm going to be at N1 in a year since I started since I'm a lazy shit but 30 words a day is totally doable.

>>136244005
Makes me curious what's the original pun was, but not curious enough to read this piece of shit.

>>136243617
That'd be pretty quick if you did it correctly and did the exercises.

How is TextFugu? I'm in the WaniKani ecosystem already if that matters for any of it.

>>136239580
Military term? I don't know.

先に出発する -> 先発 = start first
後に出発する -> 後発 = starting late

先発隊 = an advance party

Good luck!

>>136244317
Just wait for EtoEto to release. It will cover the language all the way up to native level. There might be some offer where you get access to EtoEto when you buy TextFugu. If there is then I would seriously consider buying it.

Please don't hate me for this, but is there a website that's all in Katakana?

I want to familiarize myself with Katakana better since I'd like to think I've already familiarized Hiragana enough.

>>136244408
ファック　カタカナ
めんどくせぇよ

>>136243304
Whether it's a facade or not this attitude is what I love about DJT.
You might want to check out wanikani forums if you want to be patted on the back for putting in minimal work.

>>136244408

Just use Real Kana.

>real kana shills

>>136244349
Yeah I looked up the definitions of course, just can't see how they fit in that context where two people are about to attack an enemy company, seems they're being used in some weird way.

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>get told by a native that I have an accent
>native can't say precisely what I need to improve to get rid of it

>>136242968
What, are you from Uganda and going to die at 30?
You're most likely live 30-40 years more, that's plenty of time to learn multiple languages.

>>136239580
Eh. Maybe they're 後発 rearguard and 先発 vanguard in that context.

>>136244577
I thought maybe 先発 could refer to the first ordering the second to attack first as the 'vanguard', but 後発を締める would make it seem like they're talking about the enemy right, with the を and all?

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>>136244554
Good westerner, throw your culture away.

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>>136244636
My native culture is objectively inferior to japanese culture so I don't hold it particularly valuable.

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After getting my N1 and starting to work as a translator for a local business I sometimes return to the djt to laugh at people discussing inane things like deciding if writing is useless or not instead of studying.

Spoiler alert guys: anything you do to get better at the language isn't useless. And if your studying time is seriously DOUBLED just by writing, then your issue isn't that you're trying to learn how to write in Japanese.
Maybe you should start from learning how to write, period.

The way writing would be incorporated in studying is that you see the card saying "house", you think "Do I remember it?", then you write it on a piece of paper, an action that should take 3 seconds at most.

Every single study ever made on the suject has shown, without even any room for doubts, that this approach to learning languages with alphabets different from your own is objectively better, but you'd rather waste hours repeating the same elementary-level card a billion times rather than spend an additional three seconds writing it down so you can have it memorized by the second time you see it.

Instead, you keep bringing up the "We're in the information age, GRAMPA. Writing is useless!"
True, but guess what, that's IRRELEVANT.

The reason why you should learn how to write is that it will make remembering things exponentially easier, even your dubious claim that no one in history will ever have any use for writing anymore is completely moot.

>>136244725
>Spoiler alert guys: anything you do to get better at the language isn't useless
Well, yea. But learning how to write is as close as it gets.

>>136244725
The cult of anki is strong.

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>>136244636
>japanese person with facial hair

I can't tell whether I am N3 level or N2 level. Are there practice tests or something out these that I can take?

>>136244623
>>136244577

Oh, unless they're ordering the other to go first and saying they'll take care of any second enemy wave/後発 that tries to back up the enemy the vanguard/先発 will attack.

Fucking Japanese vagueness.

>>136244784
Japs have more facial hair than continental Asians. Whenever I see old Japs around town they often have a beard going on.

>>136244554

Your emphasis is probably screwed up.

Compared to English, which loves its stressors, Japanese is a very monotone language. Don't say "SUmiMAsen", say "sumimasen". Go more monotone.


>>136244636

Anon, have you ever talked to Chinese immigrants who are very "U WAnt poK FRaid rAIs?" Do they sound articulate and intelligent? Or do they sound laughably retarded?

It's a common problem with these sorts that they view their native tongue's idea of elegant as the universal definition of elegant speech. They might believe that they'll sound stupid if they try to emulate the natives "too much". Of course, the opposite is true: failing to imitate the natives is what you makes you sound like a dumbass.

If you want to talk like an English-speaker, your best bet is to stick to English.

>>136244791
j-cat

>>136244725

>Every single study ever made on the suject has shown, without even any room for doubts, that this approach to learning languages with alphabets different from your own is objectively better

You can't just say something like that without linking those studies. And I expect more than a couple if you're going for words like "objectively" and "without even any room for doubts".

>>136244827
I'm not a filthy anglo so the problem is definitely not in emphasis.

Please anon.
Don't let HER win.

SHE feeds on your despair.

>>136244408
play JRPGs, especially the Tales of...-games. Katakana skill names everywhere

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>>136244807
So what are you playing that's got you into those confusing Japanese knots?

>>136244725
>but you'd rather waste hours repeating the same elementary-level card a billion times rather than spend an additional three seconds writing it down so you can have it memorized by the second time you see it.
I just checked, there's zero lapses on my card for 家

>>136244557
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>136244554
try Shadowing

>>136244928
Yeah

>>136244623
後発を締める similar meaning 俺が殿(しんがり)を務(つと)める = I act as the rear.

締める = tighten

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>>136244891
Give up.

>>136244353
I wonder if it will be slower than WaniKani and TextFugu combined? Learn Japanese in only 10 years!

>>136245013
>俺が殿(しんがり)を務(つと)める
Don't do that bracket shit, everyone here has rikai installed.

>>136245071
>Pretending you can read Japanese by using rikaipeepeepoopoo.

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Any of you guys hacked your 3DS to play Jap games?

>>136245117
Stealing is deplorable.

>>136245013

So they're literally saying they'll put pressure on the later-arriving enemy with that sentence then? Guess I got it more or less right then, after a few hours...

>>136244916
Battle mangoes.

>>136245117
I installed the hacks but I can't find a good place to get jap roms.

>>136245117
Can I do this on my N3DS?

>>136245128
>being a good neighbor and sharing your software
>deplorable

>>136245117
Yeah, now playing this thing.
The game is intended for grade schoolers, so the vocab is pretty easy and there's furigana out the ass. It's pretty cute, nice thing to play just to relax since you don't have to constantly look up shit.
Also going through 逆転裁判, it turned out to be a lot easier than I expected, way lighter or obscure words than PC VNs and the courtroom terms are actually easier to understand than they were in English thanks to kanji.

>>136245144
3dsiso
It's terrible and I hate it, but you can get all the roms you need there.

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>>136245255
>Yeah, now playing this thing.
Forgot the damn picture.

>>136245128

So is region locking.

>>136245117
Nope.
Cause I have a Japanese 3ds to start with.

>>136245255
Yeah I was surprised at Gyakuten Saiban
I was expecting court and law words up the ass

>>136245138
Do not say about the enemy in that sentence.
Will 後発 be guy unit?

>>136245273

That cover art is so bad and clichéd I'd think it was a parody if I didn't know better.

>>136245165
No.

>>136246030
He can, actually.

>>136245725

>Do not say about the enemy in that sentence.

So you mean the 後発 is referring to themselves acting as the rear guard, and not that they'll simply in effect be the rear guard by 締める/taking care of any enemy backups that arrive later/後発 then?

So the 締める would be that steadfastness/etc meaning then I suppose too.

>spend first 6-7 hours awake on the internet
>anki session #1
>watch episode of One Piece with subs to give my mind a rest
>anki session #2
>One Piece again
>anki session #3 (writing deck; might be deck #1 depending on what I feel like doing first)
>wind down on the internet
>sleep

>amount of time spent reading: none whatsoever
>haven't had a proper reading session in over a week

I really need to stop getting on the internet first thing when I wake up.

>>136239053
when you were beginner, how did you fill the time after a session of Anki? today is my 4th day and I'm finishing in 20 minutes, then I feel like doing more aside genki and try to read, but it's still too hard to read.

>>136246835
Just add more cards
When I was new I did many many new cards a day. Do you know all the Hiraganas and Katakanas yet?

>>136246366
Yes.

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Not strictly related, but if I want to send an appreciative tweet or message to an author that I like, is it best to write in poorly translated Japanese or just use English?

>>136246934
More or less. some times I confuse "ne" and "wa" though. It is reasonable to learn vocabulary without it's respective kanji? I feel I know more words than kanji.

>>136247148
No, you'll rarely read a word in hiragana if it has appropriate kanji.

>>136246835
Jerked off to h manga

>>136246835
You can try watching anime and seeing what you can pick up.
If you learned words like この、　その、　あの, です、あります、います、etc you will hear them all over the place.

Impress yourself by understanding 10% of what you can hear after only a few days. Then despair for the next 4 years.

>>136247139
Either way they have to figure out what you're trying to say. If it's English, if they can't read it themselves, they can always ask someone else who can. It's it's poorly translated Japanese, if they can't figure out what you're trying to say, there's nothing they can do to fix that.

It depends on how confident you are that your Japanese would be understandable.

>>136247336
Actually it seems a good idea. When I learned english I used a method that introduced only 16 verbs, maybe today I grind some verbs, and the next days use the new nouns I learn.
Thanks you.

The more I sit here trying to figure out sentences written mostly in hiragana, the more I understand the value of learning kanji so I can read things that don't do that.

>>136245988
Man I love this kinda shit for some reason

多少話せるなら問題ない

Even if you don't speak (speak a little) it's not a problem?

>>136248014
No problem, if you have the N1.

>>136248014
Looks like 話せる can also mean "to be understanding"

話し相手とするに足りる。物わかりがよい。話がわかる。「うちの校長は―・せる」

>>136246743
>3 sessions of Anki a day.
You are definitely going about this in a shitty way.

>>136246743
That's pretty pathetic.
At least drop the subs for one piece, shit's easy and it's not like you loose anything if you miss a line or two.

>>136248295
>Drop the subs
Terrible advice general. He's way too young to drop subs completely.

>>136248227
>話が噛み合わない
>会話が成り立たない
>言葉のキャッチボールができない
言葉は通じていても、話は全く通じていない

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Denc3h1iqlI

>>136248414
Would still be more beneficial than having subs on

>>136248414
If you're thinking watching anime with subs helps you learn anything you're deluded.
One Piece is a show preschoolers watch with no trouble, it's a perfect show to drop the subs on.

>>136248561
Listen bitch

>>136248561
What's a good anime to pick up with no prior knowledge and watch with JP subs without having too hard of a time? Preferably something that's 12 episodes or less.

>>136240541
Watch, /djt/ is going to start telling everyone to write just because wanikani says not to.

>>136248804
>wanikani says not to
Maybe I should start writing.

ハロー！　マイ　ネーム　イズ　マミ。　ワット　アバウト　ユー？

>>136248800
Kids anime. Aikatsu, Pripara, Precure.
>12 episodes or less
12 episode shows are aimed at adults so you have to be ready for jokes constantly flying over your head.
K-on was probably the easiest "adult" show I watched, language wise.

>Japanese is difficult. If anyone tells you otherwise, they’re probably lying to you or trying to sell you something.
They have to see the irony in this, right?

>>136248922
サック　マイ　ビッグ　ブラック　ディック、　ファット　ビッチ

良かった何もなくて

help

>>136249030
日本語が難しい？ならばKoreanを学ぶ権利をやろう

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>>136249049
ぶじ　ってことなんだよ。かんじでかくと無事だよ。おにいちゃん

神は天に居まし、全て世は事もなし。

God's in his heaven,all's right with the world！

Hey I'm gonna learn Japanese in 5 to 10 years with WaniKani and TextFugu.

SUCK MY FUCKING WEENY

>>136249374
You will never learn.

>>136249338
You can't make things come true just by stating them anon.

>>136249677
Just watch me! HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

>見惚れる／見蕩れる
視線を釘付けにされる

>目を奪われる
目に映ったものに、見蕩れる

>視線を釘付けにする
周囲の目を奪うこと

>>136249374
謙譲語だろ

>>136249338
Isn't the max you can learn with WaniKani about 2k? And the 2k takes up to 2 years because of how their system is laid out

>>136250395
2k is plenty.

If you play games I hope you die.

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> this whole thread

>>136250472
But I just played a game where a cute old-fashioned loli fox wanted me to become her servant, and then jerked me off with her tail.

How else am I supposed to get experiences like this?

>>136250543
Frick you.

>>136250395
6k words and 2k kanji in just over a year.

>>136244725
>The reason why you should learn how to write is that it will make remembering things exponentially easier

This.

I'll be back when I learn Japanese.

>>136244725
People advise writing kanji to help retention on here all the time

when I'm learning radicals, is it important to remember its sound? I'm doing some anki decks with radicals and it says the "meaning" and 2 or more readings.

>>136250910
Not at all, the "readings" are just names Japanese use to refer to radicals, they aren't important to you now.

Anki uses up all my SD points

>>136250910
>learning radicals

>>136251188
Why would you not, takes like a day and makes kanji about a million times easier to learn

How can i customize japanese subtitles on mpv?

how does memrise compare to anki?
I have a stupid iphone and anki is like 30 yuromoney while memrise is free, and ive been using it for a while but i have some gripes with it.

>>136251358
Same kind of shit just way more limited, it's okay if you're starting off

>when your medieval fantasy LN uses vocabulary such as モグラ叩き
*frogpost*

>>136251358

>iPhone

Found your problem.

>>136251358
Use ankiweb or forget the phone and use the desktop version. Memrise is pretty shit.

Trying to load core 2k/6k crashes anki

>>136249338

> Wanikani

ok so I went through the eye burning "tutorial", now where the fuck do I start?

あそこの電柱の所ネットあるじゃないですか。

Started reading my first raw (yotsuba) and I cant make sense of the last part of the sentence　「あるじゃないですか。」 is it just me or it it really convoluted

>>136252089
ある　(exist/be there) じゃない (does it not) ですか (indicates question)

Isn't there a net over there where the electrical pole is?

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>natives compliment your pronunciation

>>136252089
It's just you. "it exists, right?" is all that means, giving you "There's a net over there by that telephone pole, right?

It's a very basic set phrase that you'll encounter about a billion times.

>>136252166
>>136252176

aight thanks, didnt think of あるじゃない as the negative for of ある for some reason, read じゃないas the negative copula, fukn hell im dumb.

is there a way to display how the kanji is said in Japanese in wanikani?

it's just teaching me the english meaning but I would also like to know the japanese spelling of the character

or maybe it's too early and it will start telling me eventually?

>>136252174
>he doesn't realise they're just being polite
You can fucking mangle the shit out of Japanese, and you'll still get plenty of praise from natives. They're just happy to have people take an interest, and courtesy is ingrained from birth.

What music sites are popular in Japan?

Should I sign up for Textfugu or is there another way?

>>136252242
Just keep on trucking, reading will teach you grammar rules like no grammar guide can.

>>136252358

I don't know any other cuckoldry website, sorry.

>>136252300
>is there a way to display how the kanji is said in Japanese in wanikani?
There is no way to customize WaniKani. If you want the readings, you'll have to look them up yourself or wait until the WaniKani gods have decided you are worthy of learning basic information.

>>136251358
Shittier than anki in every possible way.

>>136252242
This is the negative of ある. じゃない is the negative copula and it's technically ungrammatical for it to follow ある. This is non-standard usage that indicates something of a retorical question, although that's not the best description.

>>136252300
You must have literally just started doing cards, because it moves on readings right after meanings...

>>136252614
This isn't the negative of ある*

>>136252614
WEW LAAAAAD YOU'RE REALLY HELPING HIM, A BEGINNER WITH YOUR MASTURBATORY POST WHICH WAS TOTALLY NOT MEANT TO STROKE YOUR OWN DICK

>>136252614
>this is non-standard usage
>technically ungrammatical

Both wrong. It just makes a rhetorical question. It's used everywhere incessantly, both in speech and writing, and it's not ungrammatical.

>>136244725
>The reason why you should learn how to write is that it will make remembering things exponentially easier
I have two problems with your post as a whole
1 - I do not believe it will actually be exponential
2 - The time investment involved is genuinely huge

>>136252663
What the fuck is wrong with you. Making sure he doesn't think あるじゃない is the negative of ある is pretty fucking important. Like you're honestly projecting now, I didn't have any intention of stroking my dick.

>>136252767
It's definitely not grammatical for the copula to follow ある like that. It's of course debatable whether this is really still the copula.

>>136252801
あんた使ったの単語を見ればすぐに馬脚を露した

>>136252857
I agree one hundred percent my friend, a debate about whether the use of the copula after a verb is grammatical will be of great benefit to a beginner who doesn't even know what that is

>>136252780
>The time investment involved is genuinely huge
It isn't really that big.

>>136252958
Doesn't Tae Kim call it the copula? It was mostly because he thought あるじゃない was the negative of ある that I felt I should repond anyway. Like can you honestly say it's better to leave him in the dark than to go on thinking that?

>>136252987
Can you prove that? Because if not I'll keep believing what I believe from my own experience. If you're that guy who says he only needs to write a kanji twice before he has it permanently memorized, we're cut from different clothes.

>>136253043
Who the fuck cares whether it's a copula or not. Natives don't, and that's all I need to know that neither do I. Since neither of us is a linguist it follows that without a doubt this conversation is meaningless beyond e-peen measuring.

>>136253279
I think correcting
>didnt think of あるじゃない as the negative for of ある for some reason
Was meaningful in the sense of helping someone
I don't think the ensuing misunderstandings and butthurt was helpful

>>136253043
Tae Kim's a sperg, who cares about what he has to say.

>>136252905
Exposing beginners to broken Japanese definitely isn't helpful.

>>136253454
He's Korean so I think he should know a bit or two about Japanese.

>>136253617
>he's Mexican, so I think he should know a bit or two about English

>>136253658
>he's an autist so I think he should know a bit or two about jokes
Is that right?

>>136253617
He's a burger clapper Korean, so no.

Why am I so bad at recognising easy as fuck words when they're being spoken? I just heard 月末 and didn't recognise it, shit happens all the time, when I see a word written down I have zero problems, but when that same word's spoken it's like it doesn't register even if I've seen it in use a million times before, how do I prevent this?

>>136253724
>how do I prevent this?
Experience is the only real cure for that.
Subtitles also help.

>>136253724
Listen more than you read
And when you read be sure to actually enunciate the word, if you just gather it from the kanji and move on as speed readers tend to do then you're not going to "practice" what it sounds like so listening is harder

>>136253454

>bullying girls online

Why are you so edgy?

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>>136252089
>ゴミ出し場所はそこです

の意味なんじゃないかなとおもうよ。おにいちゃん

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>日和

>>136253848
Stop calling him a girl.

>>136254072
He is canonically a girl tho

>>136254019
why is this guy popular?

>>136254194
The Japanese find him funny. Wow, what a fuckin brain teaser.

>>136254194
I know, he has only one joke and it's more cringeworthy than funny when he starts screaming it out.

>>136254092
According to who? There's nothing girly about this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YdNocDdps

>>136254268
They don't. They just keep hiring him because he got semi famous after the right people shilled for him.

>>136250472
Why?

>>136254278
>he has only one joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43mhl9V6zkg

>not learning kanji via writing when it takes the same effort and time

Why?

>>136254453
>it takes the same effort and time
No

>>136254470

It does, because the retention is better thus lessening review time in the future.

>>136254527
Prove it

>>136254414
I don't see what's with all the hate I think he's pretty funny

Although his catchphrase is annoying

>>136254654
People like to hate things and he's an easy target because he yells a lot. If you want to be mad it's easy to get mad. The principle applies here.

>>136254575

You can try it yourself.

>learn 10 kanji by writing
>learn 10 kanji by not writing
>see which is better

>>136254707
I determined writing wasn't worth it.

>>136254684
Don't be so FUCKING condescending.

>>136254731
I'm not condescending. It's just a fact that anyone who legitimately hates and gets mad over a white comedian in Japan doing dumb comedy, they're clearly just a hateful person which has to do with people liking to hate things.

>>136254366
Fuck off, /v/, you stupid little nigger.

>my semen is yellowish

What does this means senpai?

>>136254978
It means you can't learn Japanese.

>>136254978
You're getting less fertile. It's pretty common for old men.

>>136254978
pee is leaking into your heehee juice.

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>>136255218

>>136254720
>managed to do 10 kanji in twenty seconds
And you still need proof writing is superior?

>>136255276
I did this in the past, obviously. And for the reason, it took 15 seconds to learn the 10 kanji with writing, but only 5 seconds to learn them without it. A whole ten wasted seconds.

God is with you. You can do it, you can learn Japanese.

>>136253045
Not that guy, but come on. Does it really take you a real long time to write a single kanji? To recall it from memory and write it, then checking your answer?

>>136255903
It adds up.

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She wants the ち

>>136256277
Kill yourself

>>136256277
>おれZoというものだ
That is definitely not a natural way to introduce yourself, right?

>>136256277

ありがとう

I'm so fucking sick of changing consonant sounds, kanji readings are so retarded

>>136256277
>ありがと :)
She's an actual monkey and you still drop the ball

>>136256456
>>136256481
ありがと is pretty common ya beginner chucklefucks

>>136256511
I'm not talking about the Japanese

>>136256511
This

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>>136256599
You have a problem with emoticons? 'Cuz the Japanese don't. I'll hestitate to talk too much about a foreign culture I don't live in, but emoticons are all over the fuckin place in LINE, Twitter, etc etc, even manly ex-Ya*za men use them like Abe from GCCX. It only improves her opinion of him I'm sure.

>>136256277
>list myself as a beginner in Japanese on HT
>people write 4-5 long lines of Kanji and kana
>people send several 20 second voice clips
>they get mad when I don't immediately reply
Makes me feel slightly angry but also motivates me to learn more Japanese

>>136257137
I imagine they expect people who go on Hello TALK to be able to talk, not people learning the fundamental language as they go

>>136257200
Need to practice it to get better though

Consumption and production are two very different things

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Could someone translate this word, pretty please?

>>136257761
The golden rule of production is to wait until you can understand before you start trying to speak, for obvious reasons. You said
>people write 4-5 long lines of Kanji and kana
>people send several 20 second voice clips
Which to me implies that you struggle to read and listen at a good pace which implies you struggle to understand to which the natural response is that it's too early for you to produce in a language-learning context efficiently.

>>136257839
Draw it on google translate. It actually works.

>>136257761
There are some really helpful people on there. They correct your grammar and you can make phone calls. I can study grammar guides forever but forcing myself to write sentences, although shit and takes me forever, has helped.

>>136257839
If you can't look up kanji on your own then you can't learn Japanese

>>136257949
>Phone calls

怖っ

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I think we need to hold a DJT wide conference on what is appearing to be a major problem in the works. That is obviously the number of beginners who've got it in their head that production not only helps, but is a good use of their time at all. What's there to do about this? Should actions be taken against it? Should we let the cancer develop, hoping that it doesn't spread? Whatever the case, it's time to deal with this problem now, before the bud sprouts.

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>>136257898
It's not translating
>>136258060
I don't know japanese at all, I'm scanlating a manga and the translator forgot to tranlate this one word, and can't contact him, so I thought maybe someone here could help me.

>>136258118
>being this socially inept

>>136258270
You have the kanji already it. Just paste it on a J>E dictionary like jisho.

I wish someone made a website with a chat function where you can view PDF's ebooks anime and shit with friends.

皆、ぼっち一緒に

>>136258270
Leave it. Don't presume upon what might just be simple artistic choice. Leave a scanlators note instead!

>>136258229
What the fuck is this retardation? I don't mean the beginners you so complain about, I mean you.

>>136258444
First they came for the X and I was silent, etc etc etc

>>136258229

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>136258312
You people that can talk to random japs on mic are gods to me

I don't even have the balls to talk to strangers with text

>>136258270
Your first kanji is incorrect.
It's supposed to be 虚像

>>136258552
I'm dead serious. Mark my words.

>>136256465
You mean rendaku? It's pretty intuitive as you get more experience.

>>136258592
Oh thanks, now it translated to virtual image.

>>136255276
I write one kanji in 20 seconds

>>136258229
>>136258648
What about people who don't just want to jerk off to hentai? There might actually be, you know, people who wan't to speak and write Japanese at some point.

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How's this DJT? I want to write a SFX for fire, and one for the throwing of the ice. Someone told me I did both hiragana/katakana, is it weird?

>>136259145
Damn, you're slow as fuck.

>>136259017
Nope, I've been reading for 2 years and there's still many times where it makes zero sense

>>136259147
Production is all well and good, it's doing it as a beginner that's the problem given how little it helps, as is a well known well discussed phenomenon. Well known to everyone except beginners unfamiliar with language learning principles who imagine that JUMPING INTO CONVERSATIONS from day 1 is a bright idea.

>>136259147
We don't cater to normies.

>>136258648

You'd have to be mentally ill to be serious.

>>136259227
Lol. You're fuckin' retarded anon. Things changed from unvoiced sounds into voiced sounds and sometimes tsu turns into a geminated consonant. It's pretty fucking easy.

>>136259240

At least half this thread has been normies all along, /a/ isn't exactly a super secret NEET club.

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犬

>>136259313
Apart from when the more natural sounding reading change is the one that isn't used

>>136259203
>Someone told me I did both hiragana/katakana, is it weird?
I can't tell you if your SFXs are good but mixing hiragana and katakana in the same SFX is definitely something you want to avoid.

What's that before the おs supposed to be anyway? A ビ?

>>136259427
Looks like a really bad ご to me

>>136259203
Anon confirmed for good taste in video games.

Add me: Doug Dimmadome

>>136259203
Using katakana for ice and hiragana for fire does fit a bit

>>136259541
This. It's a pretty nice touch.

>>136259230
>JUMPING INTO CONVERSATIONS from day 1 is a bright idea.
You sound mad. Plus, you're assuming that anon jumped into HelloTalk expecting miracles. We don't know how long they were studying before they started talking to the people on there. Not everyone wants their only interaction with the Japanese language to be little girl cartoons and eroge shit.

>>136259465
Oh, then that would be fine. I though he was mixing them up in the same sound effect.

>>136259203
Still, your ヒュン looks more like a ヒユン. Try making that ユ a little bit smaller.

>>136259640
I'm not mad.
> We don't know how long they were studying before they started talking to the people on there.
We know it wasn't not long enough to understand and that's all that matters.
>Not everyone wants their only interaction with the Japanese language to be little girl cartoons and eroge shit.
Watch baseball then.

>>136259402
天狗 are 走狗 extremely common words. Go learn Esperanto if you can't take it.

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>>136256277
Nvm she can have the ち back

>>136259745
I am sad and aggressive!

>>136259532
>Doug Dimmadome
there's a lot of these. add me: fruitscs

>>136259591
>>136259541
Nice, I accidentally did something right. What's the significance of katakana with ice and hiragana with fire?

>>136259687
So just lower case it right? I cut the size in half, vertically.

Thanks for the input guys

>>136259640
When people refer to "little girl cartoons", do they mean cartoons for little girls? Or cartoons that have little girls in? Because one of those things is pretty retarded

>>136259859
>So just lower case it right? I cut the size in half, vertically.
Also make it hug the ヒ a bit more

I want to hear a cute girl say モフモフ for the rest of my life, until I die.

Any tips for a young nigger trying to get into the Japanese language?