How is Aniplex able to continue doing business? They distribute

>>136229788
>How is Aniplex able to continue doing business?
By having a positive cash flow.

>baaawwww we have to pay the same prices as Japan

>>136229820
How though? Why would anyone pay for something that expensive when they can download it for free?

>>136229904
They buy it after legally watching it for free you retard.
Anime that isn't broadcasted over TV sells like shit compared to anime that does get broadcasted.

>>136229904

Because BDs come with more than just discs. Sometimes there's some cool art.

Sony's anime division is way cancerous than Sony's video game division.

Gurren Lagann BD boxset costs 300 dollars more than their fucking video game console.

Because their anime is almost guaranteed success whether it's actually good or not.

Fuck you Aniplex, where my A/Z season 2?

>>136229788
What does it matter how much UBW's box sets cost, you shouldn't be funding Type Moon shit in the first place.

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>>136229788
It's working pretty well for them. Their marketshare increased in the past half decade, actually. Aniplex' late night marketshare is now bigger than its next five competitors combined.

>>136229985
Been saying this forever. Makes no fucking sense.

Fuck aniplex.

Fuck anyone who pays for anime blu ray box sets.

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>>136230759
17.8 + 8.3 + 7.6 + 7.6 + 5.2 = 46.5
23.9 > 46.5

That could well be the profit-maximizing price.

>>136229788
That's basically how anime works, newfag.

>>136231738
I'm not new, I'm just as depressed as any oldfag on this board!

>>136231703
I wonder how similar the market situation is in burgerland compared to nippon. The reason absurd priced BDs work there IIRC is that there's only a small population that buys them anyway, and their elasticity (the range of money they're willing to spend) allows for the high prices. Even if they lowered them, it wouldn't change the fact that not a lot of people buy and own their own copies.

Anime in the West nowadays lives and dies on the internet. Even if prices were more accessible, most people either stream/download their shows, watch them once or twice and are done with it.

>>136231964
There's more buyers in the west than you think.
But there's two key differences. Firstly, people in the west aren't used to these prices, and secondly the buyer density is not the same in America as it is in Japan.
That's why places like France are more interesting to Japan because even if they sell less disks total there, the customers are not spread out over so much space.

>>136229788
Just buy the U.S. version. It's $200 cheaper and has all of the JP version's stuff.

Theyr'e one of the few overseas distributors that includes English subs on their BDs, which is an incentive for me to buy when I drunkenly stumble onto Amazon JP

I bought both FZ boxes and the first UBW box so far. You can't stop me

>pirates
>in charge of knowing how business work

>>136232284
Piracy be a business like any other one. Yarr.

>>136229955
>Anime that isn't broadcasted over TV sells like shit compared to anime that does get broadcasted.
>Gundam Unicorn

>>136232417
For one, it's fucking Gundam.
For another, it's based on known source material.

Airing is not a magical thing to improve sales. It's just that people like to know what they spend money on. If they have no way to preview the content, they usually go with the most well-known brand (which is why advertising is so effective).

>>136230759
I request the source for pure academic research.

>>136230759
>>136233890
Please
;_;

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>>136231360
>>136233890

Sorry, I closed the tab. The results spreadsheet linked here:

http://www.someanithing.com/3705

2010-2015 Publisher sales:


Company Yen Count
Aniplex 45,259,826,955 95
Bandai Visual 15,656,858,200 39
King Records 9,904,533,409 52
Pony Canyon 9,005,637,500 47
Warner Brothers 7,370,255,000 20

Aniplex is 45 billion and #2 - #6 is 43 billion yen over the same period (#6 is TBS at 5.6b yen).

I found round trip tickets from Boston to Tokyo for $500. I could fucking fly to japan to watch it on Japanese TV instead of buying the BDs.

>>136232675
In addition to that, It also goes on theaters.

>>136230196
........um....its been finished for months if not a year?

>>136230759
What the fuck does King Record do? gayshit?

>>136234763
More or less, all their series above 5k average:

54,195 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love Revolutions
33,775 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love 2000%
25,644 Azumanga Daiou
23,497 Love Hina
22,591 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS
18,010 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love 1000%
17,052 Mahou Sensei Negima!
14,992 D.C. ~Da Capo~
14,736 Hoozuki no Reitetsu
12,082 Minami-ke
11,251 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's
10,737 Toradora!
10,513 Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru
10,108 Fruits Basket
9,534 Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san.
8,925 Pani Poni Dash!
8,830 Negima!?
8,700 Senki Zesshou Symphogear G
8,066 K
8,033 Soukyuu no Fafner Exodus
8,005 Soukyuu no Fafner
7,690 D.C. S.S. ~Da Capo Second Season~
7,664 Yosuga no Sora
7,517 Mouretsu Pirates
7,481 Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei
7,338 Uchuu no Stellvia
7,195 Sister Princess
6,843 Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko
6,437 Seitokai Yakuindomo
6,387 Crossange
6,039 Kakumeiki Valvrave
5,944 Zoku Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei
5,380 Mawaru Penguindrum
5,365 AKB0048
5,279 kiss x sis
5,157 Minami-ke Okawari
5,132 Sister Princess Re Pure
5,040 Senki Zesshou Symphogear
5,029 Binzume Yousei
4,951 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha

>>136235028
Fujodollar strong

>>136235028
>14,992 D.C. ~Da Capo~
really

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>>136235028
>Crossange

thanks for reminding me I watched every episode of that pile of garbage

>>136235028
Fucking gayshits. I was right

>>136229985
Sony has been owned by the jew since the early 90s.

>>136234419
Thank you so much.

So with manga and/or LN adaptations, do the publishers of said work fund the anime? since the popular opinion seems to be that adaptations are basically glorified ads.

>>136235471
Late night anime occupies the informercial slot for a reason.

>>136230759
I wonder if Bandai sees that as a threat or if they're fine with lagging behind on late-night stuff.

>>136236120
Idolmaster is actually a Bandai/Aniplex collaboration, and Love Live and Kizumonogatari share the same American distributer (Azoland Pictures). The big two are pretty much tied to the hip already.

>>136236298
I didn't even know they were distributing LL in 'murrica. I heard rumors that there was going to be a dub since the movie got some decent attention.

>>136236120
I doubt Bandai gives a shit when Youkai Watch is pulling Aniplex-tier numbers for them and Gundam is beating that. They have their fingers in enough pies to feel secure.

>>136229904


late as fuck but you don't buy physical anime just for the anime, you buy it for the goods that come with it which are the cause of the massive premiums in the first place.

>>136236674
This, and the materials and build quality of the packaging are 800 times nicer than any R1 boxsets.

>>136232284
It's not like the fucktards that lose their money to CR know any better either.

>buying 24ish episodes of animu for more than $50

nope

>>136232134
>$300 dollars for a few episodes
You've got to be joking.

>>136229904
First, anime's isn't a big market. So, in order to keep going it has a charge higher prices, because otherwise making anime wouldn't be profitable.
Second, anime BD/DVD as others have pointed out come with extra goods, and Japanese people, especially anime otaku, love collecting stuff.

This model would, of course, never work in America since no one would pay for it, and your average American isn't nearly as interested in buying things for the collectables like the Japanese are.

>>136232066
One of the reasons R1 anime has tended to be a much cheaper product is that because the licensing companies are little poverty operations they haven't been able to release something comparable to Japan with sufficient collector appeal to get people to pay larger markups for it. Shitty extras, crappy packaging, etc.

I know Bandai Visual tried it a few years ago and ate shit (and at the time I was horrendously against it) but they were trying to sell absolute bullshit shows like Freedom and MS Igloo that way rather than Fate and Madoka. So if Aniplex can actually release something Japan quality the Japan business model may work, particularly since it's probably actually less work to do that than create a cheapshit US version with a dub.

>>136229788

By snatching up even more licenses that obsessive otaku feel they have to buy and price gouging for it same as always. They've practically got the modern anime audience completely wrapped around their fingers too at this point thinking they always produce the coolest shit that is just "worth it". Amazing marketing really, nobody else comes close.

>>136236120

Bandai is aligned with Aniplex so it doesn't really matter, what benefits one generally benefits the other via merchandise and games and licenses and such.

>>136236546

>Gundam
>Love Live
>Girls Und Panzer
>Aikatsu
>Tiger and Bunny
>Yamato 2199
>Macross
>Code Geass
>Yokai Watch
>iDOLMASTER
>Tales of
>SAO Game Series
>DBZ Game Series
>Lantis Music
>Toys and shit for literally everything
>Deals with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft
>Largest 3rd Party Video Game Publisher in Europe

Yeah they're good.

why cater to poorfags when the same small number of people buy your anime, no matter the price?

>>136240589

They also have the rights to the One Punch Man and Saint Seiya animes now. In fact I'm pretty sure they own part of the the rights to pretty every Tokusatsu series and pretty well any big franchise from before the 21st century at this point. They seem to have acquired them while people weren't looking or something.

>>136229788
Have you not noticed that they ALWAYS completely sell out? Their stuff gets bought almost immediately.

>>136236298
Nippon Columbia is actually the main partner in idolm@ster, since even the games depend on the music they have all the rights to because the series started before Namco merged with Bandai and they bought Lantis to have their own music label.

Love Live doesn't have that problem but Bushiroad takes a huge chunk of it because of SIF.

>>136234419

So wait Aniplex is equivalent to about half of the revenue Gundam makes in an average year? That can't be right.

>>136234419

They also produce about about 2/3 of the shows as all of those companies so it kind of follows they'd make way more too. Gotta spend money to make money.

Company is way too influential in the anime scene nowadays and it's really made things a lot shittier IMO. Can't have one company practically calling almost all the shots on the big licenses and deciding what gets popular and what doesn't like this, it makes it too easy for the producers to just game the market like Aniplex pretty much have at this point.

>>136229788
>How is Aniplex able to continue doing business?

because there's actually a HUGE American market for selling ~600 boxed blurays with swag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBQRcy8_4A

>>136234523
>I found round trip tickets from Boston to Tokyo for $500. I could fucking fly to japan to watch it on Japanese TV instead of buying the BDs.


Sorry to burst your bubble but you're better off staying at home because Japanese TV broadcast is as compressed as Americans.

Official quality ranks:

Bluray >>>>> [horriblesubs] > BS11, BS-Japan, MBS, NTV > TV-TOKYO, ABC >>> Tokyo MX, AT-X

>>136242385
He's got a point, but he's not entirely right.

It's not that streaming makes people less likely to buy, or that piracy makes you less likely to buy.
I would also say that it's not modern fans that are less likely to buy. But with anime, most fans are young people, and the likelihood of somebody paying for anime (or music, games etc) depends largely on their age. (he got that bit right)
Unfortunately for the anime industry, most people stop watching anime before they become old enough to turn into real customers. That's why the Japanese anime industry is split into two parts. One part targets the few 30 year-olds who are still watching anime, and the other part has children as its demographic but targets the purses of their parents.
There were attempts to sell toys in the west, but I'm not aware of anything other than Pokemon ever being a real success.

>>136242572
Did you really just call funimation better than anything else?

Does gintama sell well for Bandai? They keep making it even if Sunrise dropped gintama

>>136240761
It is. Gundam's model sales trump the entire BD market hugely.

>>136234523
Yes, but you're not fucking paying to watch it when you buy the BDs. This is a luxury item, not a movie ticket.

>>136242572
HorribleSubs' shit usually looks worse than any decent raw encode, though, and that's when it doesn't come from Funi.

>>136229985
fuck off xboxfaggot

also $30+ for an anime series is also too pricey. Been wanting to get the Blu ray of chobits (a show thats 13 years old) and I cant fucking find it for less than $33. That shit should be $24 MAX.

>>136245262
Then hit ebay.

>>136245262
Are you really complaining that the price for a specific Bluray is $9 more than what you want to pay?

>>136245410
It shouldn't be almost twice the amount it's worth.

>>136245670
>worth
People need to stop pretending this is a real thing.

>>136245670
Fuck off.
I just spent almost 90 euro (+tax) on a single manga volume. You don't know what expensive means.

>>136235028
>5,365 AKB0048
WHAT

>>136229788
>not understanding that you can make the cheapest lowest quality product and people will pay exaggerated prices just cause it has the logo of some film,anime,museum etc

>>136245716
>reading manga
>buying grossly overpriced manga
>shitting on someone for correctly stating something is overpriced

>>136245913
>>reading manga
This may sound familiar to you. I'll say it anyway.
Fuck off.

>>136245716
>I just spent almost 90 euro (+tax) on a single manga volume. You don't know what expensive means.
What was it.

>>136245716
>buyer remorse

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>>136235028
>5,380 Mawaru Penguindrum
Japan really does have shit taste

>>136246275
I don't regret the purchase itself. I think the manga's worth it. What I do regret is not doing a lot of research and thus probably having ended up with a higher price than necessary. While the loss of money is acceptable, it'll make me look like a moron in front of people like >>136246087 who'd want to know which manga it was. Golgo13 vol 3

>>136246319
UtaPure is there, so this list is automatic cancer.

>>136231964
I'd definitely buy anime discs if the JP blurays had English subs in them and their prices were more accessible. Then again, I'm not from burgerland.

For instance, the Gatchaman Crowds BD Box was originally 18800 JPY. The new special price edition is 10000 JPY. It's pretty accessible. However, there's no English subs, so there's no point in buying it.

>>136246319
Considering YKA did like 800, 5k's not bad at all.

>>136248207
>I'd definitely buy anime discs if the JP blurays had English subs in them
Haven't they started doing that?

>>136248287
Aniplex occasionally does, but the point of this thread is that they overprice their shit to absolutely ludicrous values.

>>136248486
You don't need to buy every anime you like. Buy the shows you like the most, like 1 per year. That comes out at roughly 1 dollar per day for your hobby. That's not too much. Of course, in other hobbies, you get more for your buck (physically at least), and I would never tell anybody that this is the only right course of action. But if you want to build up a collection or even just support the people behind the anime, then it's the way to go.

I honestly don't like the idea of buying figures and other merchandise because they serve no purpose other than to clutter of shelf space. But then I'm a spartan pleb as far as decorations are concerned, so maybe I just don't get it.

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>>136248672
>I honestly don't like the idea of buying figures and other merchandise because they serve no purpose other than to clutter of shelf space

>>136234419
Merch/Toy sales are where the money is.
Madoka alone made them 40 billion yen in merch sales.

>>136248672
Gunpla is fun. It's like those fags that build military tanks and shit, only it's about building colorful robots.

>>136249359
Madoka is actually way more now, because the brand is now one of the most popular pachinko machine in Japan.