>implying PS3 sprites + voices isn't the definitive experience
>being the Umineko equivalent of ONEfags
fucking bull shit is what this is.
i call bullshit
>I prefer the original because muh creator's artistic vision over objectively superior art
no, like said, they are indeed more charming. maybe it's just because some of us read it like that first, but i wouldn't have it any other way. the new ones aren't an improvement at all. i wouldn't say anything if they were better
PS3 human and witch sprites look better but original sprites have better goats since they're creepier rather than looking like giant hulks.
Original backgrounds are better because they're just filtered real pictures and easier to project your imagination onto, the PS3 backgrounds are at bizarre fucking angles and distort the size between the sprites and the space around them.
Whether or not magic caused the events at Rokkenjima is not even an actual question. Any competent reader would understand by Episode 4 or 5 that the disaster was not caused by actual magic. So when they are discussing "magic" they are not talking about sorcery or anything supernatural at all.
The story is about how we choose to view the unknowable past and how we want to handle tragedy. I do not think that this series is easy for younger people to relate to-- it's a much better read if you are old enough to have dealt with the death of a parent and the investigation that follows. You can look at the Rokkenjima situation as a "mystery" and obsess over it and try to solve it-- R07 argues that doing so is an unhealthy approach and that our pursuit of truth does not really accomplish anything. Ange's life is made substantially worse by her search for the truth, because the truth is both unknowable and what does remain of it is actually horrible.
Accepting "magic" is a way of looking at the past where you are willing to forgive, gloss over, and let things stay private or in the dark. It's a way of "letting go" and moving on. What matters most for our future is not determining exactly what happened in the past, we can invent any story we really would like to explain it, and it does not matter all that much whether or not it is the actual truth. And the only one with the right to say anything about what happened on Rokkenjima and the only person who has a vested interest is Ange anyways. So what is it to you? Accepting a gentle lie lets Ange move on and do something positive with her life.
Battler's message to Ange is that she does not need the weight of knowledge. Ange has been so caught up in the mystery of Rokkenjima that it distorted her ability to see anything positive at all about her own family. She was only able to see Eva as an enemy or a potential murderer because of it. And the actual truth is worse. Magic is the better option.
*teleports behind u*
*shatters your illusions*
psshh nothin personnel.. witch
>Any competent reader would understand by Episode 4 or 5 that the disaster was not caused by actual magic.
By the introdution of the game board i already knew none of that was magic, but i thought at first that it was the protag trying to reason the events in his head over and over again in his dying mind with all the purgatory allusions and what not.
Where the fuck is WtC3?
I thought we would have Space Nipah by now.
Didn't Ryu announce that his schedule would change from one release every 6 months to one year?
He still didn't do it but maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's working on three things right now.
But it's a book I read.
Is it really so bad to know what actually happened in a mystery novel I read?
Also, can't you just accept the truth and move on from it, instead of accepting the lie? Aren't both equivalent, so the first one should be fine too?
Not that I'm saying Ange's obsession wasn't unhealthy. I'm just arguing the philosophy of it.
You don't understand magic, OP. Every person loves different. Every loves is unique.
Reading it voiced is pretty disappointing, though. The voice actors themselves aren't bad (except Battler and Bernkastel, as Daisuke Ono is a complete miscast for his character, and Yukari Tamura doesn't really sound imposing enough when shouting to make for a good villain voice), but Umineko's crazy "UWOOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH" screams are delivered really underwhelmingly by everyone but Beatrice.
>Really, I thought he did well.
He worked for when he had calmed down a bit in Chiru, but his hotblooded/angry screams were just embarrassingly bad. He does have good range as a voice actor, but Battler really needed a younger-sounding voice like Souichiro Hoshi (he already voiced Keiichi, though).
> I don't think you can be imposing when doing a calm stoic voice.
She's great at loli voices, flirty teen voices and deep calm voices, but whenever she was screaming at others such as Erika, Lambda or Battler, she just sounded like an annoyed Ranpha rather than a villain.
I just woke up. I get so drunk yesterday that I fell asleep for like ten hours. I lost my Saturday. I was so drunk that I watched Master of Martial Hearts...The five episodes... I don't want to do anything now. I don't know if I want to sleep again or not.
You're a very boring guy, huh? Just look at it as if were a comedy.
Battler's screaming does sound just like Juushimatsu.
Me: Guys, I'm drunk and super inquiet! I want to watch something to wake up from this beautiful dream. I want to watch the worst piece of shit that exist in this world. What do you recommend me to watch before throwing up?
A gentleman: Ignore what anyone else said. Master of Martial Hearts. And you have to watch to ep 5.
Me: HAHAHA! It's the fucking third time in this week that someone recommended me this shit. Okay, Okay... HAHAHA. iM GOING TO SEE TAT PEC OF SHIT~
The anime start...
Me: The opening is shit already.
Pokémon Trainer: Hating on PA PA PA PA PA PA... What's wrong with you?
Me: Oh, this is one of those "dirty" anime for boys, huh?
Me: OMFG "the power of friendship" what the fuck am I watching?
Me: This shit is yuri, right? I don't want to see that. Argh!!! "cries"
Me: That miko is so useless.
Me: This shit is stupid but for now looks pretty normal. The typical ecchi shit. Why so many people hate this?
Me: Miko is nice. Best girl.
Me: I don't know if it's because everyone tell me that it's shit or because my head hurts but I'm starting to get bored. Friendship!!!... Tokyo Ghoul... I hate that shit. I don't know why so many girls likes that shit. I hate it. (random talk with other anon)
Me: Argh! I really hate this shit. It's so cliche.
Me: I don't like this... I wonder if it's because of the fucking English dubs.
Me: Well, I already watched the first episode. I want to die. "head hurts" I'm curious about this terrible ending. How bad is it?
Me: Wait... Woah! There's only five episodes???
Me: Episode 2... Still alive.
Me: Ahh... Okay, now that the voices are in japanese is more easy to watch.
Me: Uuuu, a mystery...
Anon: Not worth it in Japanese.
Me: "family picture" Bunny suit!!! Mom is nice. Meh, the dubs are terrible (to the other anon).
Me: I want to see that horrible ending right now. I want blood, anon.
Me: This anime is just an excuse to watch tits, right? You fucking perverts...
Me: Blah blah blah. No one cares for that Miko... I KNEW IT SENSEI IS EVIL.
Me: WtF was that?? That fight was boring. That voice... doesn't fit the character at all. Sensei sounds like a teenager.
Me: Ok, this is fucking stupid.
Me: "Chemical combo attacks"
Anon: That was the best part of the entire show.
Me: This is so stupid it's hilarious. I fucking love this shit. HAHAHAHA.
Me: "Lethal weapon: Mustard gas" Ouch. She killed her teacher.
Me: Meh, this one wasn't so bad. Boring, but the fight with Sensei was funny at least. Episode 3... Still alive and less drunk.
Me: This one started already with a fight. Interesting at least. I don't want to get bored watching this shit. Oh... what am I watching? What is this? Why?
Me: Oh, the protagonist is beginning to enjoy hurting other, huh? I like that. "happy"
Me: "Moe burger" This is the episode three, right? Right. Just two more.
Me: "pretty boy calls" Oh, I was just thinking about Haruki.
Me: Ecchi everywhere. Lewd. Why is a half naked police girl in a pool?
Me: If my mother sees me watching this shit she's going to think that I'm weird. "paranoid"
Me: I'm bored. Worst episode so far... Episode 4, still alive and feeling better. I hate this though.
Me: I still can't believe that idiot convinced me to watch this. Just why? "giving up"
An angel: Finish the fucking show, idiot.
Me: Okay, Okay. Fuck.
Me: Now it's a maid. I wonder what's going to happen next?
Me: Now she is singing and fighting at the same time...
Me: Oh, my fucking God. NO. Nonononononono.
Me: "The legendary Catgirl maid outfit"
Me: I wonder what they do with the losers... All those ugly otaku remind me of you guys.
Me: Episode five... I made it. Still alive and terribly disappointed. Let's finish with this shit.
Me: "the insanity begins" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What the fuck?!
Me: This is insane.
Me: HAHAHA!!! This is unbelievable.
Me: NTR!!! What is happening? What is life right now?
Me: This is insane.
Me: BFF!!! Pffft.
Me: Did they really give her a gun? With bullets?! Are they fucking retarded?!
Me: Oh... Ok. "what is happening?"
Me: The fuck did I just watch?........What the fuck? I'm so confused... I feel happy and angry and disappointed and... What? What the fuck? What the fuck was that ending?... That idiot was right... "dies"
Me: Thank you. Thank you for... that. "in heaven"
>Sorry for spilling my hatred on you OP
>Pokemon Trainer's stream.
No, moron. I just looked for it on the internet and posted my reaction in /a/ while I was watching it.
>Well, at least it mind broke you, so it's all good.
It was so bad.
>there are individuals who unironically prefer original sprites and no voices to PS3 sprite and voices
I just don't understand. I don't even mind the original sprites and enjoyed Higanbana in particular with them, but you just don't get the sense of immersion , the sense that they are real characters from paint tier sprites and only utilising one of your senses
Using the VN's own logic it's easy to defend it. You can choose which aspects of George you want to pay more attention to. You can always twist each of his actions into meaning well or ill.
>implying not wanting to drink alcohol like some derpshit who lost control of their life is bad thing
>he's never lifted up a real nine-year old
>implying he's not taking a light jab at Jessica
>he wouldn't stand up for his waifu
>implying Maria knew it was a joke and wasn't taking it seriously
>implying minding your own damn business is a bad thing like he doesn't know how the real world works
>all this reaching
>implying based Georgie doesn't get shit done when going gets tough
>being pure is a bad thing
>he can't into romance and women in general
>implying Maria isn't actually fucking annoying when she wants to be
>he says ironically while posting on 4chan's anime and manga board
>implying Jessica wasn't being a bitch as she's usually is 24/7
>implying that's not Battler
I don't know anything about this series but this image is the fucking best.
anons pls, 9yr old girls are heavy as fuck these days
But I guess I shouldn't be comparing my experiences as an amerifat during modern times to Umineko which takes place years before and in fucking Japan
>Not the original art
Sausage fingers are the bomb
It depends on your interpretation of witches and the Metaworld.
Maybe Bern is literally Rika ascended to witchhood.
Or maybe the events of Higurashi are another cat box, and Bern is a character based on the actual person Rika.
But I found this picture, so someone must have scanned it, right?
I did some looking into it
I have no idea where to find
Came across this
But don't see any sort of way to get it
Am I retarded?
>that sudden Christfaggotry
>in my interactive Chinese picture books
almost made me drop it.
>implying Kuwatani/Ono's USHIROMIYA BATTLEEEEEEER FURUDO ERIKAAAAAAAAAA isn't hype
>Not giving a shit about spirituality
Did you just come back from intro to ethics or something?
>believing in delusions and demonstrable falsehoods
most of the hardcore atheists are actually agnostics though even Dawkins.
They just call themselves atheists because they don't want to pussyfoot around the fence.
>a-am I fitting in, guys?!
At least read the post before shitposting like a butthurt hivemind fanboy. He outright said the cast wasn't bad. The problem is more that Ryukishi writes such insanely hotblooded lines and screams that not even Japan's voice actors can shout with the fervor implied by the text.
>buddy of mine gets spoiled just because these threads are so comfy to stay in
It's his own damn fault for delaying his next chapter for so long but god damn it, I was really looking forward to his unspoiled run of umineko. To watch him go through all the surprises, twists and fun while blind. But no, the faggot just had to tempt fate and stay in these threads.
Now who will I get to cryptically hint solutions at? There's no point in living if you can't watch another persons struggle in hindsight.
Why God? Why?
Is there anyone with a short attention span ITT that managed to finish Umineko? I tried to read it 3 times and my record is only 3 episodes. The first time I dropped it was shortly after the rose garden. Are there some kind of secret technique or a few magical arts I can learn to get through this?
what, you thought this was a seacats thread?
I read for enjoyment, not for bragging rights on /lit/.
Whatever you want there to be bby
That's all it takes for a goat to barge in and devour your game. Why don't you have a red truth ready?
I don't know why some seacats have a problem with how the goats looked in the remake. I thought all that muscle went well with how stupid they are. I got a giggle every time one these big ass motherfuckers got summoned. Plus, makes for better doujin material.
The problem is that the original looks more like baphomet and makes their initial appearance look way more unnerving as well as reinforcing the occult theme. When their entire body looks inhumanly hulkish it takes out the uncanny valley element and turns them into puddies.
Why Rika is Hot?
Anon what, rika your prefer? loli or mature rika?
>Scans for Hotaru Bi Zero exist
Thank God. Now All we need is the completed translation for The First and Last Story and someone to translate Hotaru Bi and then we can begin again.
From what I gather, the new Miyoko is as much the same person as the original Miyoko as Erika is the same person as Rika.
What is this supposed to be?
They look like shit desu senpai
Can witch hunters love witches? Especially petty as fuck ones?
Monthly Action's website has 3 pictures of Hotoru-Bi characters, guess I might as well post them here in case anyone are interested
But what if I get a 9?
>Battler ends up giving tounge to a tranny and living with a Christmas cake
And I assumed that was was considered attractive because of his height
It's been a few years since I read it and I'm fuzzy on the details, it was long as heck.
Is the manga accurate enough to the original that reading it would jog my memory and fill in the gaps?
Yeah, but he had his dick ripped off and was raised by a homosexual butler hence the ambiguity
I want Jessica to
What was the point of this scene at the beginning of Episode 5? It never really went anywhere
Nope, they're flashbacks. For example, the scene you posted is a flashback to EP 2 when Beatrice tells Kanon she's going to kill Jessica.
>where did everything go so wrong
When Minami Kotaro stopped possessing Battler
Battler sounded really silly when screaming and crying loudly. The scene in the EP5 Tea Party when he wakes up and sees Beato's corpse is supposed to be one of the saddest scenes in the series, but Battler's hilarious sobs get a few chuckles out of me.
Reminder that Rikafag is a real pedophile who hired child prostitutes and a psychopath
Yasu didn't actually end up killing anyone though. They just wrote detailed scenarios in which they killed everyone, which became the gameboards. In the real world the adults solved the epitaph before they could even start the killings, leading to the scenario in episode 7.
It's no worse than Kyrie's journal full of curses for Asumu. It was pretty much just angry fanfiction use to vent their frustrations. Deep down Yasu didn't even want the plan to succeed though, because they didn't want to kill the cousins. That's why they ended up sending the letter challenging everyone to solve the epitaph, in the hopes that someone would stop them.
It's called meta fiction for a reason anon. You're looking at it from an conventional fiction point of view, and thereby missing the extra layer as to why all that magic gameboard thingy are added to begin with.
Somewhere between 1-4 and 5-8, read your own damn picture.
At least when it comes to business, Krauss is quite retarded, too.
Bless the person who did all of these.
I just realized,
We are shown the very likely universe where the story we know happens.
We are shown the very unlikely universe where you-know-what doesn't happen and we get Lion.
But we're never shown anything about a universe where baby dies. Which, you know, would be at least very possible.
Why is Lion so lewd?
>implying Ryukishi himself don't think his art is fucking terrible
>muh Bern bewbs
>th-th-th-they ruined the funny troll faces so it's shit
OP pic has PS3 sprites because I wasn't going to skip loads of text just to get to the parts I wanted, so I found a LP on a forum with those pics
Also I'm a hardcore mysteryfag and I made that pic but I still enjoyed EPs 5 and 8
You guys need to calm down
Was Maria really supposed to be developmentally disabled? It always seemed that way with her strange habits and stupid as fuck attire (Why would you even wear that crown thing?). Her autism levels were off the charts, especially at the end of Legend of the Golden Witch. Also most 4th graders don't read the Key of Solomon for fun. I imagine that being constantly bitchslapped by your slut of a mom doesn't help. I kind of felt bad for her, it would have worked out better if she had actually become religious instead of believing in witches and shit.
Ruining their faces and lolifying characters makes a character totally different from the way they are supposed to be and look. Anyone who's fine with that just plain doesn't care about the fiction they're consuming and the characters and plot that have been established. A character design, as designed by the original creative team/creator defines the character. That's like taking Spongebob and making him humanoid. The plasticy and generic art style with chins as sharp as that katana and skeleton thin arms look stupid and again, turn a set of characters into something that they're not - namely the forced "anime" style trend of the 2010s. Ryukishi's Umineko art does not look as nearly as bad as you all make it out to.
Let me guess, you're just going to post more memes.
>>implying Ryukishi himself don't think his art is fucking terrible
Not that anon, just posting something related.
>what is artistic interpretation
>I can't care about the fiction I'm consuming if I prefer it in a specific art style or different look
I bet you was one of the ebin posters giving J.K. Rowling a hard time because she didn't care about black Hermione.
The point is that neglected, somewhat intelligent children with no friends or family will create their own dream worlds to cope with reality and interpret the world in a twisted fashion, reprioritizing the things they care about to be chipper in the eyes of despair, slowly reprogramming themselves in autismlord 9000. Imaginary friends etc. etc. are fallout from wanting companionship and having a grand imagination, but finding none.
My point still stands. You sound like the people complaining about the black version of The Wizard of Oz. Point is, I can still enjoy, understand, and care about a work even if I like art that isn't 100% accurate with the author's original vision.
That's a good way to put it
She is like most of the people on Deviantart who make up their own fantasy worlds to keep themselves happy, while acknowledging those of others
Both are good shit. Umineko is considered to be the better out of the two, but Higurashi is definitely a fun read. Being Keeichi is suffering.
Higurashi 4-8 = Umineko 1-4 > Higurashi 1-4 > Umineko 4-8
Don't forget Battler wanted Beato since day one too.
Seriously go back and look at EP1 Tea Party for a second Beatrice is on screen for all of a minute before they start flirting.
From what I understood, in order to validate your imagination, to say that it is really there, you need to have someone else who will claim that what you are imagining is real too. It is kind of like what Battler said at the beggining of Dawn of the Golden Witch, you can speak to your imaginary friend with a great deal of predictability, or you can interact with someone else, who is not entirely predictable. You need a real person to help make these things that are not real, real.
This romance is terrible though. They have nothing in common.
YasuxBattler is good shit, for the time it went on, because they actually share a bond people could empathize with. Battler and Beatrice play magical cluedo where Beatrice murder real people and there's some half-assed argument about Battler liking big-breasted blondes. That's literally it.
Even JessicaxKanon was better
You don't need things to have things in common for romance and love to develop. Interactions between sexes are inherently sexual most of the time and it's no different between Battler and Beatrice. Battler hated her but like all hatred, it cannot last forever and Battler came to like her attitude. Whether it's good romance is something I'm not sure. I particularly like the romance of every other character though.
>Interactions between sexes are inherently sexual most of the time
But then it doesn't make for a good story. I don't have reason to care about their couple, so why should I?
Battler going full meta was the worst thing to happen to Umineko
...Nope? Didn't all that happen in EP 5 Tea Party when he finally realized the truth and what promise he had broken to her was? I mean, he DID carry Beato in the game in EP 5 but that was just Bern's piece, not actually Battler. Pretty sure all the feelings of love only came after he realized everything.
This part in Episode 5 is right before Battler realizes who she is, so it seems they were in love before that
She's a chuunishit version of her as you said
And YasuxBattler is a thing of the past, Battler moved on. BeatoxBattler is a fictional circlejerk of what could've been a nice couple, I can't root for it
She's his ideal woman so of course he's attract to her but he fall in love with her after he calm his shit down and notice of her way of thinking(she's fucking twist).
Well, I'm with you on that point.
No excuse for shitposting. If there's nothing to discuss, don't fucking post. It's these kinds of people that keep shitty generals alive just for the sake of keeping them alive.
My view is that Ange was autistic (also had very heavy emotional issues) and trying to explain anything by "magic" is simply autistic characters pretending that their own fanfiction should be put into place instead of actual facts.
That's literally all there is to it.
Yasu's motives were actually pretty good, I mean, the whole flashback and explanation was well done and you could see how he slowly destructed himself with his fantasies
What's shitty is how they try to force the "Magic is great, don't you dare question our claims and feelings you fucking goat!!!" perspective in your throat
Magic is whatever the fuck you want it to be. You're very optimistic about it. Magic in an allegory for delusions, denial of reality, and imagining things that aren't real. Everything you've listed can be seen as naive ignorance. Youthful optimism is foolish and shortsighted, hope only creates further suffering until you accept there is no hope, love is an illusion on both sides until one side breaks that illusion and you only accept things that confirm to your world view, rather than because they are logical.
Magic is shit, fuck magic.
You'll grow out of it eventually Tumblranon
The main idea of Umineko happens roughly in every thread on /x/.
>Up to your interpretation
Every time someone says something like this in regards to a piece of fiction, I want to punch them in the face. There is always an objective answer to an aspect of a story that the author takes into consideration when writing it. Period.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you want to go down on Erika in this scene?
The Umineko meta within the story does not exist, but the meta outside of Umineko is real. Lambda and Bernkastel cannot interact with the Umineko story but they merge themselves with aspects and groups of the story to have some relevance. This is why Lamda represents the game setting up to Umineko, because she sets up the board and makes it a certainty that all the family members get on the island.
Bernkastel is limited but she represents the mystery fans on the internet who want to find out the truth. This is shown when she pulls the goat mask off her head and when she says to you 'I am on your side no matter what', because the reader is also looking for the truth.
And Beatrice represents all the Beatrice collective in the entirety of the story and represents the rules of Umineko.
Each of the witches all represent concept, literary concept events if one were to take it that far. And Erika is a marry sue, created by the mystery fans in ep 5 to solve the game. This is why Bernkastel puts her own piece, her own self insert, into the game. She's less of a concept and more of a piece. Also, Erika in an Internet Rika. An E-Rika if you will.
However, despite this, witches still have influence outside of the literary world, they can just jump into a book for fun, and twist kakera and the world to suit their pleasures. This makes the meta both real and not real.
That's obviously the point. Everything optimistic can be seen in a pessimistic light.
10. Making her say that she loves me after saying that she thinks love doesn't exist sounds very thrilling.
Ruthless to gentle-cute is a nice transition
So do you guys think Kinzo actually was a fun grandpa, or was Battler just making it up?
I doubt it. He probably didn't hate his family, but spent too much time wallowing in pity until he finally found peace.
Imagine her sitting down, her soft hose clenching your cheeks, one leg down and the other propped over your shoulder, as she lets out submissive grunts while running her hand through your hair, her face blushed red all over while you eat her out through a hole in her hose at her crotch.
Higanbana First Night is very good, depressing and dark, involving bullying, suicide, murder, child neglect, yukkai doing evil shit like eating kids, and other shit. It also has one of Ryukishi's best twist in the Actress Girl story. Second Night is a bit too light but has good stories. It's worth reading, it's short stories that can be either optimistic or dark.
Rose Guns Days is a mix between Moulin Rouge, Baccano with Spike from Bebop as the main protagonist. It starts off rather slow, making you think that it's meh until the first mini boss is defeated and the first real boss shows up. Rose Guns Days is absolutely worth reading for the villains, they're all 10/10 perfect. They're all unique, assholes, you get to see them fuck the cast. Season 3 of RGD is arguably one of the best Ryukishi ever wrote, it's up there with ep 6 of Higurashi and ep 5 of Umineko. The problem with RGD is that since it's more action oriented, you don't get a feel for a lot of the characters until they're somewhat given the spotlight for a few seconds and the ending is VERY rushed because Ryukishi was sick. I'd personally recommend dropping Last Season one you get to the middle part but meh.
Also RGD is insanely unnnationalistic, despite nips being the underdogs. China is somehow refreshinly not just assholes like basically all nip propaganda stories, but they're arguably the best characters in the story, which is fun.
So yeah, tl;dr RGD and Higanbana are worth reading. Higanbana is worth it for the bullying and RGD for the villains.
Why would anyone be as self-centered as Kinzo?
I mean, Beatrice is hot and stuff but people are interesting and all like different stuff, learn about their hobby or get one
start programming, get /fit/, buy fancy clothes or learn new recipes
chess is shit come on
She looks like a crying cow
>m-moooo boo hoo hoo
The anime made it too cute. The manga made it seem like she was slamming her feet with all her might and barely was able to make a sound.
Why wouldn't anyone be as self-centered as Kinzo? He likely represents the epitome of what one can achieve in life. He was rich, had time for hobbies, had a trophy wife and found the love of his life, chained to his bedside in another house.
He's the character who probably came the closest to defeating nihilism until love consumed him. I also like the notion of loving being the light in the darkness when he had everything in the world.
After her orgasm, which you detect when she tightens her grip on your hair and trembles a bit, you withdraw your head from her warm pussy and quickly give her a kiss, your lips still wet with her juices. She gasps and tries (failing) to escape your tight embrace. When you pull back, there's a trail of saliva mixed with juices between the two of you. She is visibly embarrassed.
Well, if you are to believe the whole "pieces only act in a way the original person could act" thing Bern (I think? Might've been Lambda) said, then yes, at least he could've been, if not for all the mental fuckery and incest.
He literally spent his time yelling at people and doing nothing significant, trying to achieve something he could never and that was not productive in the slightest
He learned nothing but bogus in his magic books, he was frustrated with life, didn't get to know his sons or his grandsons and unjustly labelled them instead, he didn't get anyone to love him, his only "friend" was literally his doctor and people wouldn't give a shit about him if it wasn't for his money
His family didnt want to see him more than once a year and his marriage was shit anyway, the only woman he loved was cheating and he tried to rape his daughter
The only reason he didn't die poor, alone and miserably from a liver cancer were his good genetics and his luck, that's literally it
tl;dr : Kinzo is like davido-kun except no one cares enough to go mock him
He got rich, that counts for something. He was still accurate by how he labeled his family members though.
>the only woman he loved was cheating
Beatrice cheated him? I don't remember that.
This, fuck Bernkastel.
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>He got rich, that counts for something
Money is just a tool. If you don't use it to become happier, more accomplished or do productive things then you're not living better than a poorfag
>He was still accurate by how he labeled his family members though.
Nope, some of them were ok guys and could've taught him a thing or two just by spending time together
>Beatrice cheated him? I don't remember that.
I meant that the only woman he loved was a product of cheating since he was married to another woman
There was a pretty interesting scene in episode 7 I think it was. Kinzo had explained his backstory previously, talking over a long period of time about how he met the golden witch, how the Italians and the Japanese soliders attacked each other over the gold and he and Beato were left alive by luck.
But then at the end there is a quick sequence of events that flash where it shows Kinzo pitting everyone against each other himself, making him out to be the bad guy who stole the gold and the girl.
It made me really question Kinzo and I still don't know what to believe. And that in itself really has no bearing on whether he was a good grandfather or not.
We never got a follow up to this. So it was fake, right?
>But then at the end there is a quick sequence of events that flash where it shows Kinzo pitting everyone against each other himself
I think that part was exanded on in the manga. Basically he made them fight each other so he could take all the gold
She is my ultimate waifu, so 11 and beyond.
At least Episode 6 has the best quality and gave us lots of cute Erika illustrations.
That's actually true. Everything she did was unconsequential, something Yasu or Kyrie can't claim. She just moved around a few pieces and hosted a tea party when she got bored
It's never really confirmed, but it's hinted at in this part from Episode 8.
You missed what was being talked about.
In the VN Kinzo describes the captain pitting one side against another.
But then that's contradicted by another possibility being shown later that episode where Kinzo did it.
>Love the first episode because it's interesting and filled with both suspense and mystery
>hate the second because it's boring as fuck, cliched, and stupid
>the third is okay but it's getting tiresome and I just find the attempts at gore and edge to be really hamfisted
Is it worth it to keep going?
I bet it's just one of those 'if you look too hard for the truth it gets ugly' moments to hint at what's coming with Ange in 8. I don't want to believe Kinzo orchestrated GRAAANAAADAAA JAPANESE VS ITALIANS
George and that girl's date at the start was boring, it's like "okay I get it they're in love I figured that out already"
Jessica and furniture-man's whole ordeal was as cliche as it gets with the jaded loner watching some excitable girl having fun, and the "I'm not furniture!" thing at the end. Stories like that are a dime a dozen
Thirdly it got stupid with the whole minotaur sword battle.
I could forgive it on it's own but the whole time felt like I was just wasting time trying to get back to the actual plot.
Well, it IS Yasu's perspective and bear in mind Yasu hated Kinzo a ton (understandably so, but nonetheless,) so it isn't impossible she just had a biased view and thought of the worst possible scenario.
Okay, stay believe me on this.
You didn't like the romance, that's fine. That's a HUGE plot point. I can understand why the romance would seem ham-fisted to you, but it gets much deeper as you go on. Minor spoilers for Ep 6, that episode kicks off all about romance. And Erika, a character who you'll probably love, gets absolutely sick of it, questioning why it's such a focal point in the story. But there's a reason for that.
>I'm not furniture
I don't want to spoil too much, but yeah. It's a phrase that means something other than what you think it does.
The minatour sword battle turned me off as well when I saw it. Like, what is this dumb Type Moon fight going on. But if you go back to that wizard battle between Virgillia and Beatarice, you'll see that the magic battles are designed to TRICK you. Don't take the narration at face value. That fight may or may not have happened, you can deny it from Battler's point of view because Battler didn't actually see it happen.
If it feels like it keeps leaving the main plot, don't fall for the tricks. Everything, even the romance has significance.
Anyways if you don't like it after episode 5, I'd suggest dropping it. But at least go back to WTC 1 and read Higurashi. You might like that.
It's the episode that provides most of what you need for figuring out the culprit. Make sure to just bear with it and remember that literally everything in Umineko is there for a reason.
Higurashi is a horror/mystery like Umineko. But for Umineko the point of the story is sort of making characters debate points, logic, and questioning what you believe. It's a novel very centered around thinking things through, dressed with dark humor.
Higurashi is a more emotional story. Every episode starts off as a rural slice of life, and every episode has a trigger point where everything suddenly goes to hell. But you don't know what or how it happens.
I don't think I can read any more of this. I'm at part 6 and my patience is wearing thin.
I had no problem with Higurashi resetting 8 times and killing people 8 times over, but I just cannot put up with it anymore in Umineko. I definitely feel like there are too many people and too many parallel and meta versions of them. When they die I just don't give a shit.
I also feel like a lot of sub plots or reveals either don't make sense or don't change things in any significant way. The whole VN feels like Higurashi if the writer were 10x sloppier or were intentionally trying to make things opaque to spite the reader.
>I also feel like a lot of sub plots or reveals either don't make sense or don't change things in any significant way.
They will later on. Anyway, just drop it if you don't like it. It's not for everyone.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure desensitization was the point. Which is interesting because in most stories the more you learn about a character the more you sympathize with them. It's the effect of becoming a witch.
Because the titties aren't real
Neither is the sandwich
I feel like I am one of the few people who liked the crazy fight scenes, even if I generally feel like chuuni shit is pointless. The way that Kanon said that he could never triumph over Beatrice, just shatter her reflection, was a real clue despite being drowned in the I'M NOT HUMAN thing which certainly was cliche, until the real meaning of that became clearer.
I liked the fights where they debated while they fought.
Like when Battler jumps out the window and Dlanor fights him about how he'll land safely while in midair.
>In episode 1 when dumbass Battler's trying to grope Shannon in front of Georgie and it's got more significance than you could ever imagine.
I wanted to continue because parts of the story did intrigue me and I liked Higurashi a lot. Beato is also a fun character and her rival relationship with Battler was very entertaining. I might give it one more try and decide from there.
Why don't we just make believe anon?
One sentence only, faggot.