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>>136167423
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Some government workers are dedicated and work hard, but most of them are just waiting to retire.
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hai soo desu
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Remember not to think, but to feel.
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Is Majikoi hard to read? Or is it as difficult as your average moege?
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>>136209057
Yea, I think so. Majikoi is also in Japanese, right?
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Waiting for wanikani to let me learn more is suffering. Guess I'll sleep until I can review next.
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>reading VN
>character says 彷徨う
>a few lines later another character says it too, but this time it's written as さ迷う
I don't really feel bothered by it, but I wonder, is this considered poor form by Japanese people?
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How did people learn languages before the invention of Anki?
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>>136209583
They largely didn't
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>>136209583
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>>136209583
Only anglos need Anki to learn languages.
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Remember that wanikani is the key to success!
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>>136209583
The same way Steve does, without using flash cards at all. If I was going to learn another European language I wouldn't use anki, except possibly for some core2k style starter pack.
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>>136209651
how so?

I'm starting to learn and find this anki thing really bothersome (I never studied stuff memorizing cards before), but I'm trying to use it since you guys recommend it.
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>>136211546
The best way to get yourself to stick to anki is to not use it and fail hard over and over. At that point you will recognize how anki is great.
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>>136208827
Thanks Steve, got any lingQ discounts you can throw me?
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>>136211820
>lingQ
That shit makes WaniKani look good.
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>>136211546

Anki is good but a lot of people just use it brainlessly and expect it to magically pump knowledge into their brains, then they drown in a thousand reps because they just try to grind through their cards as fast as possible waiting for the miracle revelation to happen.

People forget that Anki doesn't study for you, it just makes your studying more efficient. The actual studying part is something you need to find a good technique for, even the greatest tool is worthless if you don't know how to use it.
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>>136211893
Now you're just shitposting my friend.
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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>>136212233
I'm not, LinQ is super shit. Why do you think no one ever seriously suggests using it?
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>>136212332
It's been six months... when are you going to stop?
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>>136212332
Dekinai loves people who're late.
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How does this work? Is the person who's being talked about always included in the count?
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>>136212359
It's shit for Japanese, it's great for many other languages.
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>>136212673
Why do you have to ask this question? Isn't it obvious from context what is going on? Stupid faggot.
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>>136212673
As for him, 3 sibling group.

Not hard.
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>>136212673

>Core

Found your problem.
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>>136212673
彼は三人兄弟です。: He has two siblings.
彼は三人の兄弟がいます。: He has three siblings.
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>read manga
>finish a volume in 2 hours
>10 words mined, no new kanji
>read LN
>barely finish the prologue in 2 hours
>100+ words mined, half with new kanji
>don't understand shit even with a dictionary
So this is the intermediate hell?
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>>136213826

If you were missing that many kanji then you should've already known that you have have ways to go.
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>>136213826
>new kanji
>prologue in 2 hours
Sounds like that's "you put yourself in a bubble of easy Japanese" hell
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>>136213879
>If you were missing that many kanji then you should've already known that you have have ways to go.
How would I know that I didn't know something until I know it?
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>>136214262
>How would I know that I didn't know something until I know it?
If you use kanji grid you can see how many kanji you know (assuming you add every unknown kanji)
Compare that number to 3,000-3,500 because that's about how many natives know and use (3,000 means you're roughly there 3,500 means you're very solidly there)
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「土砂が降ってくる」と「土砂降り」は同じですか?それとも「土砂が降ってくる」の「土砂」は本当の土砂?

ところでなぜ「Heavy/torrential rain」が「土砂降り」って?別に「土砂 (Earth/Soil?)」が降ってくる訳ないでしょう?
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>>136214697
rain cats and dogs は犬や猫が降ってくるわけではありませんでしょう。おにいさま

それに土砂は降るものではありません。崩れてくるものです。
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中級の地獄
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>>136214697
「土砂が降ってくる」の「土砂」は本当の砂です。
二番目の質問は難しいですね。
辞書で調べたところ、「土砂降り」の「土砂」は当て字だそうです。
当て字: a Chinese character used as a phonetic symbol rather than for its meaning
もともとは「どさくさ」の意味らしいです。
どさくさ:confusion, turmoil
どさくさ→どさ→土砂
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>>136214916
>崩れてくるものです。
「土砂が降ってくる」は?
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>>136215016
>どさ→土砂
That's cheating さ isn't fucking しゃ, lazy ass Japs.
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How do I stop Rikai from giving me some obscure bullshit as a first result when there's a common word available? Really fucks anki import for kana words up.
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>>136215406
Type the word in kanji brah
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私の頭を撫でてください。
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ロバートさん is a huge fag.
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>>136215045
>砂が降ってくる
>土埃が降ってくる

なら、雨以外のものが降ってくることだとおもうよ

>>136215406
五徳というと、もっぱら2つ目の
the kettle stands意味で
1つ目と3つ目の意味はちょっと使ったことない
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>>136215521
なでなで
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2 weeks until JLPT results
If I passed N1, I'll take a paid leave and go to Japan next spring for sure, otherwise I'll continue with my studies
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>>136216450
You don't need N1 just to travel to Japan and have fun, man, go either way.
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>>136216579
I personally wouldn't go to Japan until I can watch news and follow lets plays with close to 100% comprehension
No point in spending thousands on a trip where I'd just be reminded of a lack of proficiency and ability
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>>136216633
You don't need N1 for any of that.
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>>136216579
It's tempting, but if I pass I can convince myself spending lots of money going around Japan way more easily
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>>136216633
You want to go to Japan to watch the news and lets plays? Sounds like a waste of a perfectly fine vacation.
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>>136217103
It's not like you have any better use for these money.
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>>136217103
I hope you're not forgetting to practice speaking, then
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>>136216633
If you know the language, you know it. Your N1 won't save you if you don't.
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>>136217117
News tests political and economic vocabulary, let's plays test normal dude vocabulary.
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>update firefox
>google IME gets fucked up
alright nice
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>>136217675
>updating firefox
How come you bellends never learn from the countless other people making the same mistake and posting about it before you?
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運転免許証や健康保険証などの身分証明書と公共料金の領収証

Damn that a horrible sounding string of words
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>込む
>混む
>籠む
>篭む

What the fuck Japan.
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Word of the day: 男冥利

ちなみに、女冥利という言葉もちゃんとあります
性差別とかじゃありません
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>>136211820
met him irl last week. Seemed like a pretty cool guy. He bantered some chinks about shitty china was in the 70s. kek
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>>136217991
>met him irl last week
are you for real anon
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>>136217929
>籠む
>篭む
This is the same kanji written in old and new form.
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>>136217820
Now imagine Chinese, where every word sounds like 領収証 or even worse.
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>>136218037
he had a meet up. But nobody really showed up or recognized him anyway. Im in Paris so we don't have that many people watching english videos online I guess.
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>>136218261
what is this pic about
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>>136217929
>can write the same word 3 ways with different nuance without the need to clarify it with extra words
How is that bad?
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>>136218374
>without the need to clarify it with extra words
What do you imagine when they speak they clarify? It's just like homonyms in any other language
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Does anyone have a deck of words that are most common in nukige? Those are the ones I seem to have the most problems with.
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>>136218917
>read a couple nukige
>no more problems
?
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>>136219019
I'm asking because I'm having extraordinary problems with them even after playing a few.
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>>136219124
Why not start making your own deck?
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>>136219146
Because I know there might be ones more common then I've seen on a list made by a person more experienced then me.

If I wanted a biased list of just words I've encountered I would have made it already, but that doesn't help me to find the most common words.
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>>136219250
The most commons ones ARE the one you encounter dude
If you read plenty of nukige and don't have a word in your deck it's not common
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>>136219250
Add ALL the words, that will cover the common ones.
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>>136219250
Just make your own deck. There's no point in trying to pinpoint vocab so precisely. Each author has his own idiosyncratic vocabulary anyways. Also, if you make your own deck you'll naturally learn more words which are common than words which are not.
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>>136219342
Well then what the hell am I supposed to do shit head? I can't read anything comfortable and I've been learning for 5 years everything is fucking with me nose in jisho!!!!!
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>>136219466
損失
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>>136217958
>女冥利
中出しの喜びと同じ意味でしょう?
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>>136219440
>Well then what the hell am I supposed to do shit head?
Read more? Obviously, dude.
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>>136219543
I'VE BEEN READING FOR YEARS!!!!
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>tfw it takes you 3 hours to work your way through a 30 page mango looking up every second word
Anyone else know this feel?
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>>136219440
>Well then what the hell am I supposed to do
It's starting to look like you should just give up.
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>>136219440
>I've been learning for 5 years
>can't read nukige
DJT never stops making me feel better about myself.

Start a fucking mining deck and mine every word you can't read/don't understand. Every single one. At 30 new cards a day you'll be able to read most of the stuff with relative ease in about 6 moths.
Use a text hooker if you don't already for easy lookup and mining, you don't even need Jisho for VNs.
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>>136219574
It doesn't matter how many "years" you've been reading it matters how many hours per day you've been reading, and if it's been years and you still struggle like you are then I imagine that you did not read much at all per day.
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>>136219535
いや、それは男でも味わえるよ、別の「中」で
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>>136219466
It's great how all the generic confusing aspects of Japanese people bring up only ever seem confusing outside of the context of reading
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>>136219624
いいえ、マンコで味うのが特別、兄貴。
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>Learning Keigo

Why even bother?
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>>136204999
this is accurate
i had jap even in primary school in straya
learned how to count, stumble through declaring my name, write it in kata, and some RTK level shit on the vowels in hiragana. Some animals too i think

The teacher was actually native and she had a TA whose English was not so great, used to just watch them chat together.
Self study is a thousand times better but i guess that always fell under 'when the student is ready, the teacher appears(to now give a shit).
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>>136219724
C'mon man it's simple just break it into four groups :o)
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>>136219724
Why not?
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>>136219580
I knew it for about a month. It passes quickly if you read a lot and keep up with your reps.
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>>136218367
Getting cummed inside
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>Tfw I get to a chapter of my LN that's imitating a newspaper and my reading progression plummets because it's so fucking boring and has a million words I have to look up

I just want to get to the good parts again
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>ぜったああいい押すな!
Would you 押す or 押さない?
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>>136219580
I remember it. It felt great. Language learning was like exploring new frontiers. Making my way trough my first LN was like an adventure. Same for the first VN, first game I played. I was sparkling with dreams and excitement.

Though I admit I prefer to be where I am now, when I can actually use what I know to enjoy Japanese content at a fairly reasonable speed.
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>>136219926
Slow progression isnt bad because it means you're learning more
>>136219968
I remember it too and I think it's just your rose tinted glasses that are telling you it was great, maybe? Being a bit presumptuous of course but that time for me was 95% exasperation at my own ignorance and the bulk of Japanese to learn
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>>136220029
>Slow progression isnt bad because it means you're learning more
It's more like a "can't be fucked to try and read this today either" kind of slow progression though
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>>136220029
>exasperation at my own ignorance
I never really felt that, so it might have had to do with that. I can't really tell you if it has to do with the mindset or just my personality, but to me my incapability was never something to be frustrated over. If I weren't making any progress despite my efforts that might have gotten me frustrated, but I always had a strong conviction that my practice would be rewarded, and I was constantly shown that this conviction was correct as I watched myself make solid progress. It was honestly one of the best experiences I've had in these past few years.
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>>136219738
Nice, I didn't know that there were variations of 1664.

I wonder if it also has the same underlying, slightly sour taste to it.
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>>136220203
>frustrated
I meant more so "tired and discontent", it seems I misunderstood what the word exasperated meant.
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>playing diablo all day
>no time for anki
>no time for VNs
>no time for anime
>no time to shitpost here
>no time to play dragon's dogma
Can I still learn Japanese?
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>>136220431
Legitimately, no, if you keep that up. Particularly the
>no time for anki
Anki is something you always need to make time for. Not doing anki is legitimately the ultimate sign of failure in Japanese for a beginner or intermediate
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So I'll be talking about Japanese to a bunch of normalfags on monday.

Post some LITERALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE Kanji that I can show them.
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>>136220431
I'm glad I'm such a weeb that I don't have to time to do anything other than reading and anki
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>>136220539
ー 一
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>>136220539

I remember you. You're going to crash and burn.
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>>136220577
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>>136220606
Sure, sure.

I'm looking forward to it already.
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>>136220305
I was just having too much fun to think about those things. I know you probably hate to hear that since it doesn't help you much, but I'm just saying, maybe it doesn't have to be such a tiring experience to you either.
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>>136220539
待持侍
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>>136220887
>doesn't
This is a talk of a time long past for me. But I don't think I will ever enjoy struggling to understand something and stopping every other word to look vocabulary up. It just doesn't mesh with my personality.
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>>136220902
If anything that's just an example of how radicals make everything a million times easier
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What should you do if you feel like You're missing something important in the learning process?

I can't put my finger on it but I feel like I fucked up somewhere and that's why I can't understand as much as I should be able to. Like a situation where you understand the words, the grammar, etc but you can't put it together into a coherent thought.

It's really hard to explain since most people will say well if you understand everything how can you NOT get it, but I run into this problem a lot, it's like I can understand the Japanese but for some reason my brain will only accept it in english.
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>>136221107
>anglo problems
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>>136221107
You are missing context
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Can somebody help me out with these two examples Tae Kim provides? They're from the "Particles used with verbs" section, and they relate to the particle に.

>いい友達に会った。(Met good friend)
>ジムは医者になる。(Jim will become doctor)

About the first example, why not use the を particle? It's explained at the beginning of the lesson that it's attached to a word that's the direct object of a verb. As far as I understand, we use it when something is being done to a noun. So if I wanted to think of "Met good friend" in japanese, I would inmediatly think of it as "Good friend was met", where I would use the を particle... But I guess that's wrong?

I'm troubled by the second example too, but for another reason. Is there a "will" in the translation because of the に? I don't really get it. There's another example previously that says "部屋にくる。(Come to room)". Shouldn't then "医者になる" be "Become a doctor"? Or "部屋にくる。" be "Will come to room"? Also, what would "ジムは医者をなる" be translated as? "Jim has to become a doctor"? Does it have many possible translations, or it doesn't even make sense in the first place?

I guess I can't really wrap my head around how に is used with anything else other than motion verbs... Well, I'm hoping somebody can help me out. If not, thanks for reading, at least.
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>>136221107
My brain couldn't make any sense of your post, did I learn English wrong?
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>>136221107
Think SOV.
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>>136221197
I don't feel like that's the problem since this is the prologue so I'm supposed to be building context.

>>136221244
If you're going to be a smart ass fuck off.
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>>136221232
Learn about intransitive verbs. You can't use wo with them most of the times.
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>>136220539
Most of them are usually obviously different if you compare them side by side. The ones that make beginners go "really?" are the ones which differ in details you might imagine shouldn't be considered as differences proper, such as 士土, 未末, 日曰 , 貝見 or 予子.
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>>136219738
I fell in love with that picture, then I found out she is Chinese not Japanese. Now I am disgusted with myself.
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>>136221107
Read more.
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To the Anon looking to pass N2

Google for the Nihongo Sao Matome series.
All the N3-N1 books are out there.
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>>136221434
Her face doesn't really look Japanese at all.
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>>136221543
>Nihongo Sao Matome series
lewd!
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>>136221463
I feel like that would just ingrain bad habits and make me miss out on core parts of the story I'm reading now just so I can "read it for real later".

I want to read this and understand it while learning I don't want to just make a backlog of shit I have to read again.
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>>136221552
I thought I was pretty good at telling them apart, but I guess I am not.
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>>136221107
Watch stuff with more context

Visual material

Anime.
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>>136221299
No, context with the language as a whole. As you build up exposure to context you'll gradually gain instinctual understandings of what things mean. Your problem is simply a lack of context.
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>>136221434
How do you fall in love with plastic shit like that. It looks so unnatural.
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>>136221577
>>136221543
*Sou Matome
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>>136221232
Different verbs get paired with different particles, なる gets に because it's describing the transition of someone or something becoming something else, so it's still motion just in a more vague sense

Also the plain dictionary form of a verb can be present of future tense, so 医者になる and 部屋にくる can be interpreted as "become a doctor" and "come to room" or "will become a doctor" or "will come to room"

You really just need to stop over thinking it, it will honestly make less sense the more you try and make sense of it, when you're starting off you just need to accept everything and keep reading more guides
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>>136220431
>playing western games
Yeah, give it up.
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>>136221232
Regarding the first question, your thought process is (consciously or not) something like "The verb 'to meet' takes a direct object in English, therefore the particle is を". It just doesn't work like that, unfortunately. When you learn a verb in Japanese you also have to learn whether it's transitive or intransitive. (Learn what those are if you don't know yet.)

Japanese uses that tense for both future and present. The translation being in the future is something you get merely by context. You wouldn't normally say "Jim becomes a doctor." would you? The に is completely unrelated to why it was put in the future in English. If you had a specific context it might have meant "Jim becomes a doctor.", e.g. you were playing the Game of Life and Jim falls into the doctor square so you say "Okay, Jim becomes a doctor.".

>ジムは医者をなる
This is not grammatical. Again, learn about transitive and intransitive verbs.
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>>136220539
柿杮
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>>136221681
>2016
>he thinks any girl not raised on a farm is gonna look natural

not just makeup, surgeries and photoshop abounds
We're looking a decline in the sexual selection pressure for genetic aesthetics because of this shit, better learn to love the プラスチック
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>>136220539
耽眈
凜凛
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>>136221635
You can tell when they're korean or chinese because they look completely dead inside
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>>136221856
>When you learn a verb in Japanese you also have to learn whether it's transitive or intransitive.
Why. Isn't it easier to learn which particle goes with it. I have no idea about the transitivity of Japanese verbs outside of which ones take を
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>>136221762
>You really just need to stop over thinking it

Oh, man, that's a toughie. Thank you, anon. I'll take your advice to heart.

>>136221856
Will do. Thank you very much.
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>>136221681
If I can fall in love with 2D girls, why would I not be able to fall in love with plastic girls?
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>>136221973
Does it even matter if you confuse kanji that read the same and mean the same thing?
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>>136222063
I guess you can. But don't act like it's human.
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>>136221594
>I feel like that would just ingrain bad habits and make me miss out on core parts of the story
You're thinking it all wrong. Experience is what will fix the holes and misconceptions in your understanding. What you're doing now is the real deal. You're not working on some model of Japanese in your head so you can put it into practice when it's ready. You're working with what you got and getting better as you do it.
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>>136222055
>I have no idea about the transitivity of Japanese verbs outside of which ones take を
That's pretty much the same as knowing whether it's transitive or intransitive.
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>>136222000
that means that north coreans are actually dead
checks out
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>>136222102
Except that's what you're pretty much telling me to do, "just read more, fuck what you want to read, just read it again later when you get the experience lol"
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I've been on anki for two weeks
Is this good/bad/normal?
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>>136222318
How about you try reading something you don't care so much about until you're confident enough in your understanding?
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>>136222330
It's bad
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>>136222330
If you're fine with spending a hour on this shit then yeah, it's pretty normal.
If not then lower new card limit to a reasonable amount.
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>>136222318
>fuck what you want to read, just read it again later when you get the experience lol
That's what I had to do when learning English, I don't think there's a way around this.
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>>136222170
Not really, some intransitive verbs take に instead of が.
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>>136222330
How many new cards is that..?
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>>136209567
Forced nuance.
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>>136222330
>69% correct

I'm sorry, but it's muri for you. Give up.
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>>136222501
If it doesn't take を it's intransitive. If it takes を it's 99% likely to be transitive. The exception being verbs which describe movement like 歩く where the を is used to describe the place or relative object of the movement. For example:

>道を歩く
>駅を離れる

So knowing whether it takes を or not amounts to pretty much the same thing as knowing its transitivity.
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>>136222526
20
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>>136222687
Really? Okay.

You're doing fine for a beginner. After two months your review time will shoot down and so will your again count.
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>>136222687
Anything less than 50 cards a day means you can't learn Japanese. Of course you can only go that low if you spend a LOT of time reading to compensate. Otherwise you should be doing 100 cards.
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>>136222626
You should just learn which particle it takes. Transitivity is useless information.
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>>136222767
Fuck off.
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>>136222807
Whatever you feel more comfortable. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. If you're anglo and have that chronic fear of grammar anglos seem to share I guess I would recommend just thinking in terms of the particles. Too many words makes things confusing.
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How does one dedicate himself entirely to the learning of Japanese?
I find myself often putting only the bare minimum of a hour of reading plus Anki and it feels like I'll take forever to learn.
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>>136222766
That's actually good to ear
Should I start reading?
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>>136222890
Read whenever you want. The more you read, the more your brain wires itself to JP mode.
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>>136222886
Read more. Watch more anime. Find more stuff to do in Japanese. Do that stuff. Watch, read and listen to random shit in Japanese when you're bored. Just fucking spend more time in contact with the language, there's not really any other way.
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>>136222886
After the 1st hour of reading, keep reading for longer
Watch movies and youtube videos in Japanese instead of Englih
Play Japanese games instead of English games
Read news in Japanese
If you are interested in a subject, read about it on Japanese wikipedia instead of English wikipedia
Go to futaba image boards to post instead of 4chan
etc
you don't have to do that of course
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>>136222330
Try not asking /djt/, just keep doing what you feel it's worth doing.
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>>136222815
It's true you stupid retard. Have fun never learning Japanese.
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>>136222886
>How does one dedicate himself entirely to the learning of Japanese?
Stop yourself from using translations of anything Japanese. If it's Japanese you read/watch/play it in Japanese, with no exceptions.
That is the only way.
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>>136222922
Well that seems reasonable, thanks anon!

>>136222960
I only need a little guidance, but I cant understand you
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>>136222890
I started reading while doing RTK without even starting core, it was tough at first but after getting used to the most common words it got pretty enjoyable. I now have a sentence mining deck I use for remembering vocab. If you're tired of learning random words without context, you might want to try this.
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>>136222886
Become a weeb
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>>136222890
Personally I was reading right after learning kana, firstly with very basic example dialogues and then Yotsuba and Hanahira. I feel this is optimal and the earlier you start reading the better, as it is the most important aspect of learning the language.
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Are there text files of LN? What's an easy LN to read?
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What's with those anons posting screenshots with common words from the core 2k/6k deck?
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>>136224493
i use it like a bat signal but for captain autismo
looks like it works
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>>136219738
>>136221434
ネイルいじってるでかちちが料理するわけないじゃん。おとこってほんとばか
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>>136222417
>not being okay with spending an hour
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>>136224168
1 - yes
2- it's all Japanese
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>>136224689
そうだね~
中国人は最低だわ
死ねばいいのに
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>>136224493
It's the NYRfags who literally just started
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>>136224869
>NYRfags
You should welcome new learners, anon. If nothing else it'll be a chance for you to show of your skill.
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>>136225000
"Hey there newbies, I've been studying for two years and I can ALMOST follow anime with OK comprehension!"
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>>136224415
>no kanji
Into the shit bin it goes.
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>>136225035
Definitely don't tell them that
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>>136221418
>士土
I understand how these aren't the same, but do Japs with horrible handwriting just fail to convey things properly? One line a bit too long and its a different kanji.
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>>136225235
"Day 15 of anki? Neat! I'm on day 748 and it doesn't get any less dull!"
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>>136225035
"Hey there newbies, I've been watching anime for five years and I can follow anime with OK comprehension!"

Best method, not studying required
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>>136225126
both rika and jisho say usually kana for it, and its in core, i literally give not a fuck if i see it in kanji cause id still learn it then anyway

>>136225035
what do you want, a medal, its only been 2 month here and anki is great
in fact it kind of makes you question most higher education practices like universities and colleges of the world, how are they going to cope with internet autodidacts.
Especially when the business world is caring less about paper quals and more about experience and ability
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>>136225360
The context is a lot more helpful than the clarity of the writing

It could just be a vague scribble and you'd still know what it's meant to be based on what's around it

Shit like that only seems confusing when you look at it outside the context of reading
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昔日の今日
阪神大震災ってのがあったんだって
もくとー
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>>136225513
>what do you want, a medal
?
No, its just a joke.
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>>136225513
>in fact it kind of makes you question most higher education practices like universities and colleges of the world, how are they going to cope with internet autodidacts.
Once you realize how much you can get done with motivation/discipline and a few resources, it makes you question just the method you learned everything in your schooling. I took years of language in school but achieved far more in two months of studying Japanese on my own. Makes me almost feel motivated to learn something else on my own.
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株 林
' i bought some shares in the forest' yes yes>>136225517
even in the same sentence i could tell them apart easily... probably
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>>136225535
あ、あれはひどいのだったね
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Pure katakana kicking my ass so hard is surely a bad sign
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>>136226570
Fuck that shit
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>>136225035
>"Hey there newbies, I've been studying for two years and I can ALMOST follow anime with OK comprehension!"
The truth hurts.
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>>136226931
バックツーレディット
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>>136226931
レディットへ戻りなさい
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>>136226570
Even nips think full kana is a pain in the ass, why would you subject yourself to this?
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This seems a little unfair.
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『百花繚乱』
まるでこのスレに相応しい表現だ
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Why is lingq even a meme when learningwithtexts is literally the exact same thing, but for free?
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>>136227477
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つぎの下線に適切な語句をいれて慣用句にしてください

>嘘つきは__________り。
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>>136227477
YouTube videos.
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>>136227687
嘘つきは泥棒の始まり
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>>136227179
I think you have to if you want to play older games. There's no way in hell you are fitting a 20 stroke Kanji in just a few pixels.
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>>136227807
>There's no way in hell you are fitting a 20 stroke Kanji in just a few pixels.
Thank fuck the older games I'm interested in were all made after Japanese learned to do that. It may look like ass and hurt my eyes, but still less of a pain to read than full kana.
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>>136228058
タイプライターで打った書類しか通しません。って言って

日本の企業の書類を何年もブロックしてたのはどこの国だっけ
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>>136220431
>no time to play dragon's dogma
Has that been released on the PC yet?
Been playing far too much Witcher 3 lately and I know DD is going to take up a lot of time, even more so if the port is decent. Might take out the video card and put it in a locked box for a few months. That should solve a few issues. If you get desperate, try placing a physical barrier between yourself and your video game access, anon. As shitty as it might be, after a week or two you may get used to it and be too absorbed in Japanese stuff to want to go back to having the wind pushing against you.

The pawns' commentary is fun/annoying in Japanese as well and English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdVKqAX4JcM
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>>136228510
Yeah it came out yesterday.
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>>136220431
Anki comes first, not some gay fucking diablo.
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>>136227477
Steven Kaufmann has a face and Youtube personality. It's probably safe to assume most people here grew up during the time things like reality TV and Internet fame became/was a larger than life thing, so it naturally appeals to people more because they are used to it. I guess.
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>>136228583
Well fuck, time to uninstall Steam and blacklist related sites via the router.
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>>136228655
WaniKani is cute as fuck too but people still hate on it non stop.
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>>136228510
I generally put all my consoles save the saturn and dreamcast in my closet, so it's a hassle to play anything not Japanese.
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>>136228808
>WaniKani is cute as fuck
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>>136228882
>>136228510
>>136220431
Your lack of discipline is utterly disgusting.
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>>136229026
You say on 4chan
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>>136229026
So what? Most everyone hanging out on /a/ on a Saturday night is probably a flawed human in one way or another, it's about being able to work around yourself.
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Kind of stupid question, (recently began learning)

If I wanted to say, This is my house. Would it be (Kure boku no ie.) Or just (Boku no ie.) ? I know that Kure means this, but is it only used when asking a question?
Also as I guy, does it really matter if I use Boku or Watashi? I'm aware boku is masculine, but I often hear males say watashi.
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>>136228510
Does the steam version have Japanese in it or it's the usual steam jewery?
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>>136229053
I already finished my Anki routine on time hours ago. And that's without hiding all my equipment in the closet.
>>136229080
Nah, being pathetic and having zero self-control is never acceptable.
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>>136229144
Japanese subtitles, no Japanese audio
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>>136229119
Boku no pico
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>>136229119
boku no ie de nakadashi no yorokobi wo kure
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>>136229119
It would be これは私の家です
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>>136229119
Kore wa watashi no ie desu.
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>>136229119
This is why you don't prodice early on. You will fail and you'll fail hard, gaining nothing from it but wounded confidence and weakened determination.
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>>136229119
これは僕の家です。
But seriously, at least read Tae Kim.
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>>136229242
Delete that boku right now.
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kore ga orenchi da.
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>>136229287
>he uses 俺
Rude
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>>136229237
Ah that makes sense. I know of the usage of wa and desu, no idea why I didn't add that. Thanks!
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>>136229240
Better to ask and get corrected than to learn wrong. Lighten up asshole.
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>>136229331
Ditch the romaji bruh, it's only holding you back
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>>136229242
Sorry for asking a question? atm I'm using japanesepod101 and am at lesson 11 season 1 absolute beginner lol. And I do use both. I'd rather ask and get told the correct way than not do so.
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>>136229184
I mean, it is a form of self-control, regardless.
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>>136229361
>>136229408
Rather, producing at all early is learning wrong. One learns correct grammar through copious exposure to native Japanese, not through making thoroughly broken sentences and getting "corrected". You'll either learn to recognize this as true now or you'll give up later when you don't make any progress, take your pick.
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>>136228808
WK isn't an elderly/older male with greying hair, an easy to listen to voice, with one on one type more personal dialogue. He has the stereotypical "wise" aura of an old man with rich life experience which a lot of people are more inclined to take seriously than an impersonal "cute" marketing creation.
Maybe not younger people, though, which may well be WK's target demographic. Though I think you'll find people "hate on it non stop" here for different reasons.

>>136229026
It is what it is and I'd rather take steps to remove things which I know will end up becoming a problem than attempt to go cold turkey. Managed to dramatically cut down on drinking by placing various impediments in my way. Did similar things to get 'hooked' on doing daily Anki reviews and reading for at least an hour a day. Silly but it worked at least for me.
I used to waste days on end playing video games but now spending a few hours on a free day feels like too much and I start to feel guilty for being unproductive.

>>136229144
No idea nor have I checked, to be honest. Steam is blacklisted on my router and it turns out that I need to update a password and verify some shit to sign in to the program, so I can't be bothered to jump through the hoops trying to find the password for the email I used (written down on paper, sealed in plastic, in a locked box- stupid but it works).

>>136229240
See >>136229331
It looks as though the complete opposite happened. Maybe anon isn't afraid of making mistakes and learning from them. Maybe you are afraid of making mistakes. A lot of assumption either way for something that doesn't involve you at all.

>>136229408
Are you referring to any other grammar resource? I found using different mediums at the same time helped to re-enforce each other, from different angles. For example when I read through Japanese: the Manga Way, ages ago, I read it in conjunction with the Visualizing Japanese Grammar clips, which complimented each other well.
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>>136229406
I will, here soon. I've already installed the japanese keyboard. I of course can read all the hirgana/katakana/dakuten. (easy shit I know :P ) but a lot of the kanji are of course hard to read.
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>>136229361
>better to let the thread be turned into a reddit-tier perpetual beginner shithole than tell newbies who can't even do what the guide tells them to go away

Nah, that guy needs to fuck off.
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>>136229492
>Rather, producing at all early is learning wrong.
Why?
>One learns correct grammar through copious exposure to native Japanese, not through making thoroughly broken sentences and getting "corrected".
This isn't a dichotomy.
>You'll either learn to recognize this as true now or you'll give up later when you don't make any progress, take your pick.
Sounds a bit like personal projection.
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>>136229507
Whew, wall of text there bud.
>It looks as though the complete opposite happened.
Sure, for this one particular sentence. It won't extend to any long-term, overall benefit for the language as a whole though.
>>136229569
>Why?
Don't play dumb.
>Sounds a bit like personal projection.
Nah. He's on the track to failure, plain and simple.

I'm not too interested in opening a debate with the legendary "responds to five posts in one reply" guy. Maybe instead of worrying about spending time on Dragon's Dogma you should spend less time arguing like a mother fucker on DJT.
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>>136229408
>>136229517
>lol
>:P
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>>136229507
People who are afraid to fail, will never advance, simple as that. Glad someone agrees. Anyway, I'm using tae kim, and just various resources on the internet atm whenever I get confused. I'm liking Japanesepod as my main "teacher." and have had other now "fluent" friends that have used it to great effect to begin their teachings (of course they branch out later after Japanesepod gives them a solid foundation.) That's what I'm try ing to achieve right now, a solid foundation. Rather than typing, I prefer to write things down when learning, (here's a small tidbit on my writing for wa and ga particles) (also sorry my computer camera is shit)
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>>136229726
Sorry about that, I'm a school aid to a 9th grade teacher, so all day I read fucking lol's and :P, it rubs off on me I guess.
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>>136229830
It's fine if you understand.
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>>136229795
>People who are afraid to fail, will never advance, simple as that.
It's not about fearing failure, it's more like the fact that you're inevitably fail, and the measures to take to not fail are different than the ones you are trying. Don't simplify a complex situation like that, you'll just beget misunderstandings.
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>>136229690
Sorry your life has been a large disappointment, afraid to fail, and are stuck where you are. I don't need assholes preaching their failures to me, so fuck off.
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>>136229795
Just get out already, you're clearly one of those reddit faggots who will spend four years getting to N3, and it'd be nice if you didn't shit up the thread and make other redditors think they're welcome.
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>>136229690
>Whew, wall of text there bud.
This isn't Twitter.
>Sure, for this one particular sentence. It won't extend to any long-term, overall benefit for the language as a whole though.
How do you know this?

>Don't play dumb.
Can you at least provide reasoning for your conclusion?
>Nah. He's on the track to failure, plain and simple.
How do you know this? Are you speaking from experience?

>>136229795
Sounds like you know what you're doing, man.

>>136229886
>It's not about fearing failure, it's more like the fact that you're inevitably fail
Once again, how do you know this? You don't know anything about anon or are you projecting from personal experience?
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>>136229795
>pic
If you're going to waste your time this way you may as well take a class and get some college credit out of it.
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>>136229886
>asks for advice on simple sentence structure after less than a month of learning

>sad little man says I'm going to fail.

k.
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>>136229908
Mate, I don't know why you're being so hostile to me. Well, I imagine it's because I was a bit blunt, but seriously, I only gave you good advice. You're barking up the wrong tree. Maybe you will think back to this moment in a couple years, I wonder how you'll feel.
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>>136229947
Please explain how any of that is wasting time.
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>>136229947
Nah I prefer it this way. Did it when I learned Spanish, and it worked out fine. Just my way of doing it I guess.
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>>136229830
What do you do when a special needs kid starts throwing a tantrum? Are neck locks still acceptable?
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>Wanikani is now accepted on DJT
>Productionfaggot gets a swarm of white knights protecting him
DJT is over
Normies won
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>>136229951
>studying for almost a month
>doesn't know hiragana
>can't write これはわたしのいえです and thinks これ is "kure"
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>>136229795
You should turn those notes into Anki cards instead.
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>>136229951
>a month in
>still writing in romaji and hasn't even finished Tae Kim

I agree with that guy, you are going to fail.
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>>136230041
He says he has memorized his hiragana and katakana.
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>>136229975
>gave good advice
You did not answer the question I asked (given, it's a beginner ques. but nontheless)
And instead just started preaching your own failures. I already learned Spanish using these methods, so how can you claim I'll fail at Japanese. Yes it's more difficult, but once you succeed in one language, others are more easily attainable.
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Someone translate pls?

>ふふふっ、ようやくわかってきたようですね。アナタがた姉妹は、もうワタクシの所有物なのです

playing Ran Sem VN
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>>136230029
Bullies never win.
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>>136230004
I wish. I don't teach the "actual special needs" but a standard 9th grader is pretty special needs as it is. Nah, we just have to call either the security officer, or send them to the office. Only had to call the officer once in 2 years so that's good I guess. Luckily, the ones that throw tantrums are generally disliked and other kids will often shut them down before we even have to.
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>>136230098
It seems you've finally understood. You're already my property.

たぶん
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>>136230095
>so how can you claim I'll fail at Japanese.
You're doing a lot of things I see people who fail at Japanese do. It's a logical conclusion to make. Let's see if you're a bad enough dude to defy fate.
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>>136230098
Hehehee, it seems to have finally found. Sisters you have, I am the possession of another.
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>>136230119
>thumbnail
So it really is newfags defending the even-newerfags? My sides.
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>>136230042
Yea I use Anki, I take my notebook with me when I go to work so I can review at breaks. And often jsut use anki when at home.
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>>136230208
Are your anki reviews in romaji?
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>>136230188

jesus christ
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>>136230184
Damn, must really suck to be you. Anyway, done talking to you kiddo. I deal with little kids enough at work, I don't need more.
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>>136230254
No, I'm pretty good. If anything you yourself seem to have a lot of pent up hostility. Good luck anon, try not to be such an ass to people in the future.
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>>136230208
That's a good method, I take notes with me too when I have to do pick up my wife's son from school. I'm planning on taking the N5 in the summer, hope I can pass!
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>>136230228
Half and half. I have them set to first show in hiragana, etc. but then in romanji later.
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>>136230029
>Wanikani is now accepted on DJT
What?
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>>136230293
I wouldn't bother with N4 or 5, even for just "testing yourself" purposes.
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>>136230303
It's true, there isn't much wrong with WK.
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>剝
レア漢字ゲットだよ
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>>136230184
>I've over ever seen black swans
>therefore all swans are black
Your logical conclusion is the example of a famous logical fallacy, anon.
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>>136230285
Pot calling the kettle black, right here. I just dislike kids on the internet wanting to be an asshole instead of helpful. But hey, this is 4chan so whatever.
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>>136230322
What "my wife's son" didn't tip you off?
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としあけのひえこみで

こはるびよりがまちどおしい
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>>136230296
That's all I needed to hear
>>136230303
Ever hear the quote about a community ironically pretending to be stupid, only to be flooded by real stupid people? That.
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>>136230293
Good luck! I just feel like I learn better when physically writing things down myself. Makes me feel like I'm actually doing something.
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>>136230364
What should it have tipped me off on?
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>>136230357
Are you going to deny that trends exist? B follows A all the damn time, so when I see A I suppose B is about to follow. Nothing illogical about that.
>>136230362
Where was I an asshole? I was blunt about my beliefs, sure, but not hostile or anything.
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>>136230364
Cucks are pretty common these days.
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>>136230429
Take a guess.
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>>136230377
Whoops typed that backwards. Romaji first, hiragana,etc later. At least for now. I will eventually swap to full hiragana. When I used Anki for spanish I did the same thing, and it worked fine for me. Granted spanish written is far easier than Japanese, I decided to stick with the tried and true.
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>>136230466
Oh, never mind, I'm an idiot.
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Rosetta stone helpful at all?
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>>136230479
>When I used Anki for spanish I did the same thing, and it worked fine for me
You learned Spanish through hiragana? Not sure why you did that to yourself, but OK.
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>>136230433
You just continue to come off as more of an asshole with every post. Why do you continue to bother?
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>>136230490
no
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Stop responding to the romaji troll retards. I swear to God some of just look for opportunities to take the bait.
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>>136230479
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>>136230498
Used an equivalent to Anki for spanish. Same concept, different program.
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>>136230367
Please list the steps I need to take to fuck and impregnate your cute little cousin.
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>>136230529
Every community has elements that look for things to get triggered over, we're no exception.
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>>136230514
not at all?
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>>136230510
>Why do you continue to bother?
Why does a bride wear a veil?
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>>136230098

One more:

>私は緊張に全身をこわばらせ、男性客たちの顔には期待の色が浮かんだ。

thanks guys.
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>>136229795
>writing in romaji
Damn. Now here is a waste on a rosetta stone level.
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>>136230544
K.
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>>136230605
This sounds dirty, is it a dirty game?
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>>136230607
In a world where 90% of things are typed. Why should I learn the stroke patterns and such? It's almost like keyboards exist. As long as I can read, I will have little trouble. The waste of time is learning how to spend 5 min writing one kanji, when you could type it in 2 sec.
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>>136230678
It's not as bad as you think. Stroke pattern is literally like, 2 rules you learn, and it applies to every kanji.
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>>136230433
>B follows A all the damn time, so when I see A I suppose B is about to follow
Anon, here is a massive oversight: it isn't B follows A, it's Z follows Y, follows X, follows W, follows [etc.] and A. You have no idea of the actual variables in place here which relate to anon's personal study. All you have is the tiny insight on a fraction of what has been presented and are making the assuming that this is all of it. That is the exact reasoning in the previous logical fallacy.
>Nothing illogical about that.
It is an argument from incredulity in a nutshell. You have taken what little knowledge you have, assumed it is everything and incredulously rejected all other states and variables because it doesn't suit your outcome. Your syllogism is working from an inference which defines the propositions and not the other way around.
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>>136230673
Pic related.
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>>136230711
Yeah, I was just exaggerating. I will eventually learn, but I'd much rather focus on spoken and vocab and grammar, than written.
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>>136224689
勉強になりました
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>>136229795
>writing a page of notes on the difference between "wa" and "ga" instead of getting a feel for it through actual use
Go back to reddit.
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>>136230773
Well, there's something you're failing to understand here anon that's quite funny.

I said he's going to fail with full knowledge that I'm making a big assumption from a tiny amount of information. I know it's illogical, but I said it anyway because I wanted to. Not every statement a person makes is fully rational, fully logical, and so on and so on. Yes, anon, you are correct, there are many variables at play here that my prediction ignores. I really don't care. I'm making a narrow-minded, prejudiced statement for comedic effect and self-satisfaction, much like those who post Dekinai-chan when people make tiny mistakes. Congratulations, anon, on going through such efforts to point it out.

If that anon defies fate and learns Japanese, good for him, I'll smile for his success. If that anon succumbs to fate and fails, I'll nod knowingly for he stumbled along the same path of failure that many others did before him. The fact I chose the pessimistic route and said he'll fail, rather than defy fate, is as stated, mainly for self-satisfaction, and perhaps a little bullying against a newfag. Welcome to real life, Anon.
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>>136230888
>implying I didn't actually use it and just wrote it down and called it a day.

Damn, Anon. It's almost like there are multiple ways to learn a language! Shocking right?
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>>136230917
Ok shitlord. Almighty one. Enlighten me, what should I have done than to step into the lair of the almighty asshole dragon's lair? What steps would the guru of languages have me take?
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>>136230917
This is a good post.

>>136230993
>so insecure that he has to respond to every anon to defend himself
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>>136231028
>someone responds to me, so best not respond back.

That's how to be a bitch 101.
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Is there any way to have a Japanese keyboard layout rather than typing romaji?
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>>136230993
Memorizing a million different rules in English to use Japanese isn't constructive. It's either a waste of time, or you will never get past an intermediate understanding of Japanese.
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>>136231061
Not even the nips use kana input
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>>136231021
The very first step is to stop using fucking romaji.
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>>136230605

anybody?
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>>136231091
See here's the kicker. What I don't understand about people. Instead of just saying what I am doing is wrong, why not say what is right? Just saying, "Nope." helps nothing.
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>>136231129
What are you having problems with? It's a pretty straightforward line, you should be able to read it yourself.
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>>136231127
Well here's some fucking knowledge. How hard was that to say? Instead of being a royal asshole, you actually said something productive. Baby steps, Anon, baby steps.
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>>136231096
How do they type before learning the alphabet?
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>>136231203
How would we type before learning the alphabet?
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>>136231153
>why don't people blindly praise me instead of pointing out that I'm doing just about everything wrong?
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>>136231191
Are you enjoying your foray into /djt/?
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>>136231153
Everything we don't say is wrong is right. It's a binary thing, not too hard to understand.

Understanding the particles is a good thing. Using romaji and memorizing every tiny little rule to which there are often exceptions, that's bad. If you are looking for praise for going full autism and handwriting out a page of notes, you came to the wrong place.
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>>136231203
On a computer? They don't. There are a few different input modes for mobile phones that don't involve knowing the alphabet.
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>>136231153
>Someone please feed my ego, I haven't taken any of the criticism that you have given me but ill keep responding to you until you say im amazing
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>>136231203
メール打ちってのもある

かかかかか→こ
あああ→う
ああ→い
あああ→う
かかかかか→こ
たたたたた→と
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>>136231153
>Instead of just saying what I am doing is wrong, why not say what is right?
So you hate us and go back to reddit instead of shitting up the thread with your dumbass questions.
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>>136231021
When beginners produce, they fail. It's a fact of life, and the worst part is that it's not especially productive failure. One can really only learn to successfully produce on a fluent level through a lot of reading and listening, with some degree of hands-on speaking practice. Making broken beginner sentences as a beginner simply doesn't help and isn't necessary. Read through grammar guides, and when you're done, read and listen to native content. When you can understand what people say, try to talk to them - but even then the real benefits in your production will come from listening to them speak.

In the end, broken beginner speech isn't harmful, really, it's just a big waste of time given the inevitability of failure and the lack of benefit from corrections. This is especially pronounced in a language like Japanese which has completely different grammar from English and Spanish.
>>136231153
See above.

I should note that I mainly responded to your post in such a pessimistic way because you 1) missed "これ", one of the most basic words in the language, 2) typed in romaji, and 3) said something like " I know that Kure means this, but is it only used when asking a question" which implies you asked the question straight off from reading a basic beginner guide, and 4) you asked about Boku vs Watashi which is a question heavily reliant on nuance and therefore just a... poor question, really. You had all the elements of, frankly, someone who learns Japanese for a couple weeks or months then just gives up so I felt compelled.
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>>136231265
What criticism? Or rather, was there any actual constructive criticism? Nope. Just a bunch of fuckers saying "Nope" and nothing else. Had there been constructive, would've been a bit different.
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>>136231326
>What criticism? Or rather, was there any actual constructive criticism?
>>136229492
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>>136231326
>Just a bunch of fuckers saying "Nope"
>>136231253
>>136231127
>>136230888
>>136230607
>>136230042

All of those contained some degree of advice, even if it was delivered in a way that hurts your feefees.
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>>136230605
>>136231129

>My whole body tensed as looks of anticipation appeared on the male customers' faces.
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>>136230562
So you used a different program to learn Spanish, doing romaji first, hiragana later, and eventually swapped to full hiragana?
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>>136231441

thank you!
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>>136231292
How utterly slow and unproductive.
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>>136231309
>When beginners produce, they fail. It's a fact of life, and the worst part is that it's not especially productive failure. One can really only learn to successfully produce on a fluent level through a lot of reading and listening, with some degree of hands-on speaking practice. Making broken beginner sentences as a beginner simply doesn't help and isn't necessary. Read through grammar guides, and when you're done, read and listen to native content. When you can understand what people say, try to talk to them - but even then the real benefits in your production will come from listening to them speak.
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit

>>136231021
Study, read, write, speak, as much as possible, even if you do it poorly. Do whatever is fun, otherwise you won't keep it up. Find a way to interact with native speakers. Make mistakes. You're a lot more likely to remember something you screwed up than something you got right. Most importantly, leave this thread and never come back unless all you want to do is get into pissing contests over how many anki cards you've memorized today. Fuck the goddamn cancerous DJT threads.
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>>136231578
That's just because he's using it wrong. It's predictive like T9 in English. It's actually really fast once you get used to it.
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>>136231608
I mean, if you're going to deny the input hypothesis then that's the end of this conversation, because you're so thoroughly wrong it's best to leave you in the tar pit than try and pull you out.
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>>136231644
T9 is slow and unproductive too.
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>>136231688
It's not like there's a better way on a regular phone keyboard.
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>>136231653
>if you're going to deny the input hypothesis
Not even him, but you realize its a fucking hypothesis right? It's not a fucking theory or answer. There are competing hypotheses.
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>>136231653
おまえは本当に日本語がわかるか?理論なんかどうでもいい、一番大事なのは楽しむことだ。そうしないとなにもできないだろう。
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>>136231608
>Fuck the goddamn cancerous DJT threads.
Yeah, fuck em, let's leave this awful place and never come back. I heard Jpod101 forums are pretty good, see you there, bro.
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>>136231804
Sure, and the other hypotheses are wrong.
>>136231814
人身攻撃やめてください;)
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>>136231854
>Sure, and the other hypotheses are wrong
Wow, Dr. Anon, I'm so glad you cleared that up for me with your supporting arguments and evidence.
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How does "change a word's reading by giving furigana" works in those chunni LNs? Is there any rule to making it or can one just put shit like わたし as furgiana above 女神様 and call it a day?
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>>136229795
Not hating on writing, but you wrote more english on that page than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a writefag when it comes to kanji (for retention purposes), but I think you are wasting your time.

>Japanesepod
It's really a good resource -- a shame about their sales tactics really. I found the "upper intermediate" lessons to be quite educational, especially the discussions between the hosts. Worth listening to during commutes.

All the tools are there. I suspect that if you were to painstakingly go through every lesson, actually drill the vocab and kanji, repeatedly read along with the transcript while listening to the audio until you can follow it at speed, etc. that by the time you finished the final lesson, you'd have more a lot more than just a solid foundation.

The thing is, they're essentially the same methods promoted here in /djt/ - consume native material, learn the vocab, wash, rinse, repeat.
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>>136231919
There's no rule, it's just a stylistic thing. It's done for lyrics, too.
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>>136231919
No rules, they can make up whatever bullshit they want.
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>>136231905
If you want supporting arguments and evidence, read academic articles. It's foolish to expect that level of discussion on 4chan, and it's even more foolish to participate in such a discussion. I'm just a dude who believes in something and is willing to make abrasive statements about it, not a dude who is ready or willing to engage in a thorough linguistic battle on a taiwanese slideshow forum.
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>>136231919
It's not changing the words reading, it's substituting or explaining the word. Sometimes its used for clarification, sometimes for sarcasm, etc.
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Stupid question, do all existence particles end in る?
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>>136232057
What is an existence particle?
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>>136231978
>>136231988
普通は漢字にひらがなかカタカナを振るんだけど

ひらがなやカタカナに漢字を振る離れ業もありだよ
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>>136231998
Don't make stupid claims unless you are prepared to support your stupid claims.
>b-but its 4chan!
Then leave.
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>>136232057
>existence particles
Where the fuck did you pick that bullshit up?
Is there a new snake oil salesman on the block?
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>>136232096
>ひらがなやカタカナに漢字を振る離れ業もありだよ
それは 非公式 でしょう?
中二病なラノベではありそうだけど。
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>>136232098
>Don't make stupid claims unless you are prepared to support your stupid claims.
No. I will make claims and be fully prepared to not support them.
>Then leave.
No. Why would you even say that?
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>>136231988
>>136231978
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>>136232442
これなに?
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>>136232164
ありそうでしょ

たぶんあるんだよ
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>>136232164
You see it in plenty of manga though, not necessarily "chuuni" stuff.
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>>136232489
Oregairu
>それにルビだけど誤用が多すぎるわ
>「能力」に「ちから」なんて読み方はないのだけれど
>聞くけどこのブラッディナイトメアスラッシャーのナイトメアはどこから来たの?
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>>136232611
Yeah, I only see kanji "furigana" used for gags and whatnot.
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>>136232643
Used pretty heavily in Sci-fi actually, I've noticed. This is just based on my experience with galactic heroes and SRW, mind you.
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>>136232699
I remember seeing it in シドニアの騎士 too.
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I just started studying and I'm stuck at とじる and しめる. Can anyone please tell me what the fuck is the difference between the two?
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What is でかくすんな?
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>>136232920
でかくするな
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>>136232920
NNBだったら
>で隠すんな?
かもしれないのんな
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>watching lets play
>girl keeps say ほいーほいー
>not sure if it's a dialect or just a personal phrasing she likes
>feel compelled to stop watching so I don't develop an urge to say it
https://youtu.be/6rW8-DrgKGA?t=609
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>>136233096
Top tier taste in platformers, though, and based on the first little bit, she actually has a tolerable voice, compared to most girls I've heard doing Jikkyous.
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>>136233150
Yeah, she's moe, mic quality is a bit low.
She really knows her shit with this game too, she's getting every DK coin I think.
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>>136233063
Ah, probably, thanks.
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>>136232910
One is written as 閉じる and the other is written as 閉める
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>>136233177
>Collecting every hero coin, and she actually calls him "Rambi" and not, "the rhino"
>I have a boner for everything DKC, and even listen to a donkey kong podcast

Well shit, I'll have to keep up, is this it done or still ongoing?
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>>136233316
It's done, only 16 episodes.
Her other lets plays are mainly Kirby and Final Fantasy. Too bad lets plays of RPGs are boring as heck.
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Question: I'm just starting after learning the kana and while I can remember the meanings of words and kanji really easily I struggle with the sounds.

Does anyone have any tips to help remember the sounds when you first start and have nothing to relate things to or do I just have to drill until I have some basis to make mnemonics on? Is using English mnemonics for the sounds a good or bad idea?
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>>136212139
After studying for years I've concluded what's been said about Anki to start with but nobody listens to:
Don't use it to learn, use it to remember.
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Is Khatz dead, does anyone know?
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Fix my schedule to fit in japanese
9am-12pm study
13pm-16pm study
17pm-22pm study

(Math chem or physics)

Can I learn japanese dekinai-chan? I've quit all my stupid games. But gained an addiction for cigs and coffee in exchange.
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>>136233538
Just do anki every day and read as much as you can.
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>>136232910
It just depends on what the object of the action is. As a general rule, you use 閉じる when your action just changes an object's configuration, e.g. closing your eyes, closing a book, close thing lid on a laptop... and you use 閉める when your action is affecting the space around the object by severing a connection between its sides, e.g. closing a door, closing a window, closing the lid on a box...
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>>136233538
Do japanese as a break from other things. Start with Kana then do wanikani since you can't get lost doing it too long. It forces you to wait long periods between very short study sessions anyway so it's a fun break from other things and can never take too long.
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>>136233611
>Start with Kana then do wanikani
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>>136220431
>>136220431
Diablo 3 has a Japanese edition on consoles
but probably you'll never learn Japanese desu senpai
gotta make sacrifices
sounds tough but its true. gotta dedicate time each day to it
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>>136233611
I'm 900 cards into 2k/6k. But I feel like I don't really have a grasp on grammar, the thing is I'm studying so much because I've got a scholarship test on june. I live in a shitty south american country in which education is a piece of shit.
So I'm having a scholarship test to leave this piece of shit, fully paid undergrad in japan if I succeed. There is only one spot. There are 5 exams: Math, Phy, Chem, Jap, Eng.

The thing is I'm really not confident in my grammar. Should I go to JTMW and TK again? I want to do the DOJG deck too. Any advise is appreciated.
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>>136227505
>an hour a day
not even long enough to do reviews
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>>136233846
I do 200 reviews in 10 minutes, so I can easily finish my 400 daily within an hour
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Two words that are really fucking hard to fully grasp:
キタ
面白い
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Is there a difference between づ and ず ?
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>>136230479
Just give up now. If you can't into Hiragana in a week you'll never learn. Hiragana and Katakana should be done right at the start, right alongside your basic shit like konnichiwa, tadaima, boku wa anon desu, counting to ten and the like. Idk how long ago you started but there's no excuse to ever use romaji. Hiragana is literally your ABCs.
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>>136231608
It's not bullshit. In fact, it's a basic law even on this board. You lurk more faggot. Don't post before you understand the culture. If your learning a language you gotta lurk a long long time.

Producing is a waste of time.
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>>136233911
According to Anki it took me 77 minutes to do 494 today, but I felt it took longer. A lot of my cards are sentences.
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>>136234156
>but I felt it took longer
because it's boring as fuck, ankislaving is an illness
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How do I find LN files that are readable in some way through Rikai?
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>>136234156
>tfw I took 79 minutes to do 200
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>>136234156
>A lot of my cards are sentences.
Sentences are huge "Wasters" in Anki, a single second adds 8 minutes to 494 reviews, so realistically if you spend five seconds reading each sentences that's 41 additional minutes. It's not even comparable to vocabulary decks, it "wastes" so much time.
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>>136234156
>>136234209
Also, be aware that if you tab out of anki it keeps tracking time up to 60 seconds by default. If you tab out every couple of cards anki will report you spent a LOT more time studying than you actually did.
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I haven't studied for quite a while (almost a year) and the cards that are in the desk are lost. I wasn't very far into learning so would it be better to somehow reset the progress on that deck?
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>>136234202
Add txt to your search.
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>>136234223
I know it takes a while, but I feel I can remember them so much better than pure vocab. Dictionary style just hasn't worked for me that well. The time it takes is a pain but words feel more "alive" when I see them in sentences. My main worry is it will eventually take too long to even finish if I work full time.

It has it's pros and cons but at least for now I prefer it.
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>>136234462
I just do real reading to get that "aliveness"
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>>136234223
>>136234462
believe there are studies that show people retain new words better when in a sentence, gives the word more meaning than just a raw definition

what ever you find more enjoyable, go for it. Not everyone is the same.
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>>136233397
>Is using English mnemonics for the sounds a good or bad idea?
Do whatever you like, if mnemonics work for you go for it, as long as you don't end up with wrong sounds.
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>>136234604
コレは机です
Anyway, I wasn't saying sentences were worse for memory or anything, just that when it comes to anki, you end up spending WAAAY more time doing flashcards with sentence decks.
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>>136233842
DoGJ deck works if your grammar is shit.
Nothing works as good as reading a bunch, though.
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>>136234462
>ペン
>ペンです
WOW
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>>136234711
DOJG deck has a bunch of stuff I don't see while reading much
N1 too surprisingly has stuff I don't see much at all, maybe it's all in newspapers which I don't read
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>>136234202
There's an assload of them in CoR.
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>閻魔帳
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Can ご主人様 be used for females too?
I think I saw it once in a hentai
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>>136234604
It's not even what's fun even, it's just, when you have so many cards like

faggot
1. a bundle of sticks
2. a homosexual (vulgar language)

It's hard to know how well you really "get it". For an example (because I have tons of just plain vocab cards as well):

I saw the card 引き返す today and I felt like I knew it until I saw the back of the card. I know ひく and かえす and they are fairly easy words. I'm going through cards, bam bam bam, yep, I know it I know it. But then the back of this card is something like "to repeat" and "to retrace one's steps". But I was thinking "to pull back".

Am I wrong? I don't even know. Because there's no context, no nothing. I didn't get the exact back of the card right... but I was going through the reviews so fast, of course I'm not going to think of the definition in detail. I only briefly thought of "to pull back". So do I know this word or not? Would I understand it in a sentence?

When I have context everything is much clearer. I either know it, can't remember it, or get it wrong. And I can easily decide whether or not to fail a card. Time consuming it may be, however I just find its so much more straightforward.
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>>136234993
HENTAI call their master 女王様.
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>>136234730
>implying anyone would have cards like that
机の上に、ペンや鉛筆がある。
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>>136235500
Your example about 引き返す just sounds like your problem is not actually looking at the back of the card moreso than anything about context

And again, you get that level of learning from actually reading native material, you only need to get a rough idea (and the reading) from anki
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>>136233604
Does this also apply to 開く and 開ける?

i.e. Open your eyes

目を開いて - me wo hiraite
目を開けて - me wo akete

They both sound correct to me, but I feel that one of them is more appropriate.
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You will never learn japanese.
You will never be a doujinshi artist.
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>>136233374
The only reason I found her was because I was looking for a female LPer of FF6 that read all the text. Of course, I never ended up watching any of the videos after I found her.

I've also collected a list of German female LPers too, but I've only watched about 2 hours total of them.

I don't think I even like LPs, but they seem like they would be good practice, so I keep searching for them.
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>>136236062
Oh, are you the one who linked it? Honestly, I had no idea where I found her, I just noticed the tab open.

Let's plays... I'm not sure if they're good practice, but they're easy to watch for hours straight so they're my main source of listening practice recently. Anime has a plot to miss but let's plays are just a game.
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>>136236130
Or maybe you could play the game yourself.
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So do most of you lie during Anki reps?
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>>136235945
Hiraku is like a flower blooming open I think, open a bank account. If it spreads outwards like a portal to another world its probably hiraku
Aku is just open, open a window, open a drawer

They are slightly different meanings.
Don't take my word for this though.
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>>136236191
I usually sit.
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>>136236062
>>136236130
Fuck off /v/. FUCK OFF /v/!
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>>136236186
I've already beaten Donkey Kong Country 2, and I watch lets plays for the personality of the player more so than for watching the game most of the time. I've watched a couple LPs of games I've already beaten just because the player was so entertaining. In this case it's for listening practice though.
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This LP bullshit is worse than WaniKani trolling. I'm literally dying from the stench of manchildren wafting through the thread.
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>>136236303
Try not to be such a manchild yourself, dude.
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>>136236316
>muh youtube celebs
>muh "this is the new television! You don't UNDERSTAND!"
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>>136236360
Who are you quoting?
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>>136236360
You tried and failed, or perhaps didn't try at all
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>>136236379
Fuck off boy before I fuck you off.
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If you like video games you don't belong here.
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Does anyone have any good recommendations for relaxing Japanese stuff (besides anime)?

So instead of taking a break from sentence mining or whatever and just going back to English shit, some kind of Japanese game or mmo that I can kill time in instead? Anyone know what I mean by this? Something you can use for "down time". Right now I play too much Starcraft 2. If only there was a Japanese language pack or something.

Someone should make a list of good Japanese games and shit to occupy your time with.
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>>136236482
>>>/a/
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>>136236360
I don't watch english LPs but I see nothing wrong with watching japanese ones for listening practice..
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What Japanese 3DS games should I download?
I got CFW
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>>136236542
Picross 3D 2.
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>>136236502
Japanese Let's Plays ( 実況 ) are good for brainlessly killing time
When it comes down to it if you play a game like SC2 you're not gonna get a lot of Japanese value from it unless it's an RPG which is pretty much a VN
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>>136236542
Ace attourney or something similar.
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首吊り
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Someone give me some new kanji. I will give you these for free in return:

囲繞
天稟

魯鈍
坩堝
流罪
悋気

Please I am desperate!!!
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>>136236741
運否天賦
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>>136236741
閻魔
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>>136236811
>literally all jouyou

>>136236826
Thanks.
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>>136236741
>流罪
Did you think about that before posting
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>>136236191
That only hurts yourself. What would even be the point unless you're one of those fags that posts their Anki stats? Why even bother doing reps then? You're already giving up, you might as well save yourself the time you're wasting with pretending to do reps.
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>>136236360
I don't get the hate, it's a great way to hear natural speech from a real person, and you can still follow what they're doing even if you fail to understand some or most of what they're saying.
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>>136236911
No I just copy and pasted words from reading earlier. Oops.
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>>136236912
but muh 90+%
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>>136236588
That might be good. Thing is a lot of Japanese games are really kanji heavy, and it's basically the same as reading a VN or some shit anyway. Like, I got FFXIV but there's so many made up words and shit.

Pokemon was a great babbys first Japanese RPG for me. So for anyone else I recommend that, the language is simple and you'll get to learn RPG words like experience points, poison, potion etc. Too bad I beat every Pokemon game multiple times now and I need something new.

>>136236741
how about
機を織る

best I got
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>>136236191
I usually do more of a fetal position for anki reps. Helps me with the crying as I hit "again" on something that was going to go away for a week if I'd hit "good".
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>>136236933
We? You native bro?
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>>136236950
You should be at around 80% to grow optimally.
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>>136236982
>might
I mean, it WILL be good, from a studying standpoint, but it won't exactly be fun since it's mainly reading
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>>136236991
54% masterrace

>just kill me now, I am ashamed
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4532819
Let's make ヴぁ a meme
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>>136237011
What are you doing besides Anki? 54% needs some additional help.
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Thanks to the fag that posted that beginner pastebin. I grabbed the vocab deck and the different order is really helping me out.
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>>136237068
Or he's doing way more new cards than he reasonably should be.
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>>136237068
いじめないでくださいってヴぁ
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>>136237005
Yeah. I mean, I'm kinda trying to find something for down time. I'm reading Utawarerumono with a text hooker atm, but when I'm not doing that I thought It'd be good if I was doing something else in Japanese instead of in English. So many games are text heavy though that it's like, may as well go back to the VN.
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>>136237011
Probably using anki wrong.
My advice
>>136233413
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>Still haven't finished Japanese: The Manga Way
>Played video games yesterday instead of studying anything
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>>136237011
>people whining about 'fake stats' have under 60 percent retention

This explains a lot
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>>136237189
>There are actually people that don't just hit "good" for every card
kekeroo
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>>136237184
That's fine, playing Japanese video games is keeping up on your studies, in its own way.
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How old are you?
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Is there any major disadvantage to hitting hard instead of good or easy?
I never use the good or easy buttons. I'm always afraid that I don't really know the card well enough.
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>>136237264
16/f/cali ;)
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>>136237292
you have candoms?
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>>136237264
ひ*み*つ
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I know its a stupid question but i'd rather not go off on my own. Is there a proper order to learn hiragana? I suppose it would be proper to learn stroke order from the get go?
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>>136237317
Dis nigga thisrty af
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>>136237278
You get a lot more reviews.
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>>136237353
Read the guide
E
A
D

T
H
E

G
U
I
D
E
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>>136237068
>>136237179
I'd been trying to use Anki to learn like a dunce, I started doing doodles with each of the words I was struggling with and now it's going up again, but I hit a wall for awhile where every card was again and I couldn't keep it in my head. Turns out just flash cards is a terrible idea. Whoops.
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>>136237414
I read the guide motherfucker. What im asking is about the hiragana themselves. Do i pick one out of the blue and repeat it until i can write it properly and memorize it? Or should i learn them in a certain order?.
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>>136237353
The proper order for the Hiragana is
All at once

Hiragana should not take you too long at all. If it does, I'm just trying to be realistic here, give up on learning before you waste too much time, cause you'll probably never get anywhere.
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>>136237353
Use realkana for a couple days. Congrats on learning the kana you dumb shit.
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>>136237264
46
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>>136237461
READ

THE

GUIDE
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Where are you niggers getting a vocab base if you aren't learning from Anki? Fuck off with this disinfo. Probably more WaniKani shills.
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>>136237461
Are you fucking mentally retarded? Does it matter? Ask yourself those questions before coming here and saying stupid shit like that.
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>>136237461
http://www.tofugu.com/guides/learn-hiragana/

Do this, then when you're comfortable with each do realkana until you can recongize them, then learn to write them and stroke order. Rote memorizing from nothing will just waste your time and frustrate you.

Then to Katakana, then start on anki. If you're going to do wanikani, go ahead and start up your free trial right now, by the time you get past radicals you'll know your kana and will be able to start kanji.
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>>136237421
I did this too(If you did what I think you did), for years. Didn't fall for the core deck meme but I did just add random cards in and set it for X new ones a day without studying in any other way. Just kept on going through them fail fail until they eventually stuck. It's so inefficient and I'm pretty sure you just forget them again eventually anyway.
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>>136237512
>what is mining
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>People are doing core deck and thinking they're going to learn anything
I hope you fucking die you piece of shit!
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I love watching beginners give terrible advice to each other

All you fags will regret it in 2 months
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>>136237540
Yep, that's what I'd been doing. Had only been doing it for two weeks or so, so at least I didn't waste much time. Turns out the story method actually helps retention and learning a lot.

Also I'm going to do tae kim then other grammar alongside my meme deck so I can practice writing sentences between reviews.
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>>136237595
If you couldn't learn anything off them, they wouldn't exist.
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>>136237595
Core is the best thing after WaniKani.
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>>136237528
Thank you. Apparently it'd be optimal to disregard learning how to write by hand for now.

>>136237507
>>136237513
Do people like you get some sort of pleasure out of writing useless stuff? If you are not going to answer a question with something useful, wouldn't you rather not answer at all? Anyways.
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>>136237623
>Practicing writing
Give up now.
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>>136237645
I refuse, I like writing in my native tongue and I want to learn to write in Japanese as well. I'm in no rush, and I enjoy the quite time I spend forming the characters.
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>>136237645
>Don't ever bother trying to converse with natives, Goyim, remember, Japanese is only to be used to play games about molesting little girls/boys.
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>>136237693
Wow you type like someone straight out of leddit™
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>>136237717
90% of us are learning Jap for manga/anime/games the rest are delusional.
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>>136219466
ソ - so, because both elements are aligned at the top
ン - n, because both elements are aligned at the left
Thanks to the anon who pointed this out in the previous thread.
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