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>character says 彷徨う
>a few lines later another character says it too, but this time it's written as さ迷う
I don't really feel bothered by it, but I wonder, is this considered poor form by Japanese people?
The same way Steve does, without using flash cards at all. If I was going to learn another European language I wouldn't use anki, except possibly for some core2k style starter pack.
Anki is good but a lot of people just use it brainlessly and expect it to magically pump knowledge into their brains, then they drown in a thousand reps because they just try to grind through their cards as fast as possible waiting for the miracle revelation to happen.
People forget that Anki doesn't study for you, it just makes your studying more efficient. The actual studying part is something you need to find a good technique for, even the greatest tool is worthless if you don't know how to use it.
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
How does this work? Is the person who's being talked about always included in the count?
>finish a volume in 2 hours
>10 words mined, no new kanji
>barely finish the prologue in 2 hours
>100+ words mined, half with new kanji
>don't understand shit even with a dictionary
So this is the intermediate hell?
>If you were missing that many kanji then you should've already known that you have have ways to go.
How would I know that I didn't know something until I know it?
>How would I know that I didn't know something until I know it?
If you use kanji grid you can see how many kanji you know (assuming you add every unknown kanji)
Compare that number to 3,000-3,500 because that's about how many natives know and use (3,000 means you're roughly there 3,500 means you're very solidly there)
rain cats and dogs は犬や猫が降ってくるわけではありませんでしょう。おにいさま
当て字: a Chinese character used as a phonetic symbol rather than for its meaning
How do I stop Rikai from giving me some obscure bullshit as a first result when there's a common word available? Really fucks anki import for kana words up.
the kettle stands意味で
2 weeks until JLPT results
If I passed N1, I'll take a paid leave and go to Japan next spring for sure, otherwise I'll continue with my studies
I personally wouldn't go to Japan until I can watch news and follow lets plays with close to 100% comprehension
No point in spending thousands on a trip where I'd just be reminded of a lack of proficiency and ability
Because I know there might be ones more common then I've seen on a list made by a person more experienced then me.
If I wanted a biased list of just words I've encountered I would have made it already, but that doesn't help me to find the most common words.
Just make your own deck. There's no point in trying to pinpoint vocab so precisely. Each author has his own idiosyncratic vocabulary anyways. Also, if you make your own deck you'll naturally learn more words which are common than words which are not.
>I've been learning for 5 years
>can't read nukige
DJT never stops making me feel better about myself.
Start a fucking mining deck and mine every word you can't read/don't understand. Every single one. At 30 new cards a day you'll be able to read most of the stuff with relative ease in about 6 moths.
Use a text hooker if you don't already for easy lookup and mining, you don't even need Jisho for VNs.
It doesn't matter how many "years" you've been reading it matters how many hours per day you've been reading, and if it's been years and you still struggle like you are then I imagine that you did not read much at all per day.
Why even bother?
this is accurate
i had jap even in primary school in straya
learned how to count, stumble through declaring my name, write it in kata, and some RTK level shit on the vowels in hiragana. Some animals too i think
The teacher was actually native and she had a TA whose English was not so great, used to just watch them chat together.
Self study is a thousand times better but i guess that always fell under 'when the student is ready, the teacher appears(to now give a shit).
>Tfw I get to a chapter of my LN that's imitating a newspaper and my reading progression plummets because it's so fucking boring and has a million words I have to look up
I just want to get to the good parts again
I remember it. It felt great. Language learning was like exploring new frontiers. Making my way trough my first LN was like an adventure. Same for the first VN, first game I played. I was sparkling with dreams and excitement.
Though I admit I prefer to be where I am now, when I can actually use what I know to enjoy Japanese content at a fairly reasonable speed.
Slow progression isnt bad because it means you're learning more
I remember it too and I think it's just your rose tinted glasses that are telling you it was great, maybe? Being a bit presumptuous of course but that time for me was 95% exasperation at my own ignorance and the bulk of Japanese to learn
>exasperation at my own ignorance
I never really felt that, so it might have had to do with that. I can't really tell you if it has to do with the mindset or just my personality, but to me my incapability was never something to be frustrated over. If I weren't making any progress despite my efforts that might have gotten me frustrated, but I always had a strong conviction that my practice would be rewarded, and I was constantly shown that this conviction was correct as I watched myself make solid progress. It was honestly one of the best experiences I've had in these past few years.
Legitimately, no, if you keep that up. Particularly the
>no time for anki
Anki is something you always need to make time for. Not doing anki is legitimately the ultimate sign of failure in Japanese for a beginner or intermediate
I'm looking forward to it already.
I was just having too much fun to think about those things. I know you probably hate to hear that since it doesn't help you much, but I'm just saying, maybe it doesn't have to be such a tiring experience to you either.
This is a talk of a time long past for me. But I don't think I will ever enjoy struggling to understand something and stopping every other word to look vocabulary up. It just doesn't mesh with my personality.
What should you do if you feel like You're missing something important in the learning process?
I can't put my finger on it but I feel like I fucked up somewhere and that's why I can't understand as much as I should be able to. Like a situation where you understand the words, the grammar, etc but you can't put it together into a coherent thought.
It's really hard to explain since most people will say well if you understand everything how can you NOT get it, but I run into this problem a lot, it's like I can understand the Japanese but for some reason my brain will only accept it in english.
Can somebody help me out with these two examples Tae Kim provides? They're from the "Particles used with verbs" section, and they relate to the particle に.
>いい友達に会った。(Met good friend)
>ジムは医者になる。(Jim will become doctor)
About the first example, why not use the を particle? It's explained at the beginning of the lesson that it's attached to a word that's the direct object of a verb. As far as I understand, we use it when something is being done to a noun. So if I wanted to think of "Met good friend" in japanese, I would inmediatly think of it as "Good friend was met", where I would use the を particle... But I guess that's wrong?
I'm troubled by the second example too, but for another reason. Is there a "will" in the translation because of the に? I don't really get it. There's another example previously that says "部屋にくる。(Come to room)". Shouldn't then "医者になる" be "Become a doctor"? Or "部屋にくる。" be "Will come to room"? Also, what would "ジムは医者をなる" be translated as? "Jim has to become a doctor"? Does it have many possible translations, or it doesn't even make sense in the first place?
I guess I can't really wrap my head around how に is used with anything else other than motion verbs... Well, I'm hoping somebody can help me out. If not, thanks for reading, at least.
Most of them are usually obviously different if you compare them side by side. The ones that make beginners go "really?" are the ones which differ in details you might imagine shouldn't be considered as differences proper, such as 士土, 未末, 日曰 , 貝見 or 予子.
I feel like that would just ingrain bad habits and make me miss out on core parts of the story I'm reading now just so I can "read it for real later".
I want to read this and understand it while learning I don't want to just make a backlog of shit I have to read again.
No, context with the language as a whole. As you build up exposure to context you'll gradually gain instinctual understandings of what things mean. Your problem is simply a lack of context.
Different verbs get paired with different particles, なる gets に because it's describing the transition of someone or something becoming something else, so it's still motion just in a more vague sense
Also the plain dictionary form of a verb can be present of future tense, so 医者になる and 部屋にくる can be interpreted as "become a doctor" and "come to room" or "will become a doctor" or "will come to room"
You really just need to stop over thinking it, it will honestly make less sense the more you try and make sense of it, when you're starting off you just need to accept everything and keep reading more guides
Regarding the first question, your thought process is (consciously or not) something like "The verb 'to meet' takes a direct object in English, therefore the particle is を". It just doesn't work like that, unfortunately. When you learn a verb in Japanese you also have to learn whether it's transitive or intransitive. (Learn what those are if you don't know yet.)
Japanese uses that tense for both future and present. The translation being in the future is something you get merely by context. You wouldn't normally say "Jim becomes a doctor." would you? The に is completely unrelated to why it was put in the future in English. If you had a specific context it might have meant "Jim becomes a doctor.", e.g. you were playing the Game of Life and Jim falls into the doctor square so you say "Okay, Jim becomes a doctor.".
This is not grammatical. Again, learn about transitive and intransitive verbs.
>he thinks any girl not raised on a farm is gonna look natural
not just makeup, surgeries and photoshop abounds
We're looking a decline in the sexual selection pressure for genetic aesthetics because of this shit, better learn to love the プラスチック
>When you learn a verb in Japanese you also have to learn whether it's transitive or intransitive.
Why. Isn't it easier to learn which particle goes with it. I have no idea about the transitivity of Japanese verbs outside of which ones take を
>I feel like that would just ingrain bad habits and make me miss out on core parts of the story
You're thinking it all wrong. Experience is what will fix the holes and misconceptions in your understanding. What you're doing now is the real deal. You're not working on some model of Japanese in your head so you can put it into practice when it's ready. You're working with what you got and getting better as you do it.
that means that north coreans are actually dead
I've been on anki for two weeks
Is this good/bad/normal?
If it doesn't take を it's intransitive. If it takes を it's 99% likely to be transitive. The exception being verbs which describe movement like 歩く where the を is used to describe the place or relative object of the movement. For example:
So knowing whether it takes を or not amounts to pretty much the same thing as knowing its transitivity.
Anything less than 50 cards a day means you can't learn Japanese. Of course you can only go that low if you spend a LOT of time reading to compensate. Otherwise you should be doing 100 cards.
Whatever you feel more comfortable. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. If you're anglo and have that chronic fear of grammar anglos seem to share I guess I would recommend just thinking in terms of the particles. Too many words makes things confusing.
How does one dedicate himself entirely to the learning of Japanese?
I find myself often putting only the bare minimum of a hour of reading plus Anki and it feels like I'll take forever to learn.
Read more. Watch more anime. Find more stuff to do in Japanese. Do that stuff. Watch, read and listen to random shit in Japanese when you're bored. Just fucking spend more time in contact with the language, there's not really any other way.
After the 1st hour of reading, keep reading for longer
Watch movies and youtube videos in Japanese instead of Englih
Play Japanese games instead of English games
Read news in Japanese
If you are interested in a subject, read about it on Japanese wikipedia instead of English wikipedia
Go to futaba image boards to post instead of 4chan
you don't have to do that of course
>How does one dedicate himself entirely to the learning of Japanese?
Stop yourself from using translations of anything Japanese. If it's Japanese you read/watch/play it in Japanese, with no exceptions.
That is the only way.
I started reading while doing RTK without even starting core, it was tough at first but after getting used to the most common words it got pretty enjoyable. I now have a sentence mining deck I use for remembering vocab. If you're tired of learning random words without context, you might want to try this.
Personally I was reading right after learning kana, firstly with very basic example dialogues and then Yotsuba and Hanahira. I feel this is optimal and the earlier you start reading the better, as it is the most important aspect of learning the language.
both rika and jisho say usually kana for it, and its in core, i literally give not a fuck if i see it in kanji cause id still learn it then anyway
what do you want, a medal, its only been 2 month here and anki is great
in fact it kind of makes you question most higher education practices like universities and colleges of the world, how are they going to cope with internet autodidacts.
Especially when the business world is caring less about paper quals and more about experience and ability
The context is a lot more helpful than the clarity of the writing
It could just be a vague scribble and you'd still know what it's meant to be based on what's around it
Shit like that only seems confusing when you look at it outside the context of reading
>in fact it kind of makes you question most higher education practices like universities and colleges of the world, how are they going to cope with internet autodidacts.
Once you realize how much you can get done with motivation/discipline and a few resources, it makes you question just the method you learned everything in your schooling. I took years of language in school but achieved far more in two months of studying Japanese on my own. Makes me almost feel motivated to learn something else on my own.
Pure katakana kicking my ass so hard is surely a bad sign
>"Hey there newbies, I've been studying for two years and I can ALMOST follow anime with OK comprehension!"
The truth hurts.
>There's no way in hell you are fitting a 20 stroke Kanji in just a few pixels.
Thank fuck the older games I'm interested in were all made after Japanese learned to do that. It may look like ass and hurt my eyes, but still less of a pain to read than full kana.
>no time to play dragon's dogma
Has that been released on the PC yet?
Been playing far too much Witcher 3 lately and I know DD is going to take up a lot of time, even more so if the port is decent. Might take out the video card and put it in a locked box for a few months. That should solve a few issues. If you get desperate, try placing a physical barrier between yourself and your video game access, anon. As shitty as it might be, after a week or two you may get used to it and be too absorbed in Japanese stuff to want to go back to having the wind pushing against you.
The pawns' commentary is fun/annoying in Japanese as well and English
Steven Kaufmann has a face and Youtube personality. It's probably safe to assume most people here grew up during the time things like reality TV and Internet fame became/was a larger than life thing, so it naturally appeals to people more because they are used to it. I guess.
Kind of stupid question, (recently began learning)
If I wanted to say, This is my house. Would it be (Kure boku no ie.) Or just (Boku no ie.) ? I know that Kure means this, but is it only used when asking a question?
Also as I guy, does it really matter if I use Boku or Watashi? I'm aware boku is masculine, but I often hear males say watashi.
I already finished my Anki routine on time hours ago. And that's without hiding all my equipment in the closet.
Nah, being pathetic and having zero self-control is never acceptable.
This is why you don't prodice early on. You will fail and you'll fail hard, gaining nothing from it but wounded confidence and weakened determination.
Sorry for asking a question? atm I'm using japanesepod101 and am at lesson 11 season 1 absolute beginner lol. And I do use both. I'd rather ask and get told the correct way than not do so.
Rather, producing at all early is learning wrong. One learns correct grammar through copious exposure to native Japanese, not through making thoroughly broken sentences and getting "corrected". You'll either learn to recognize this as true now or you'll give up later when you don't make any progress, take your pick.
WK isn't an elderly/older male with greying hair, an easy to listen to voice, with one on one type more personal dialogue. He has the stereotypical "wise" aura of an old man with rich life experience which a lot of people are more inclined to take seriously than an impersonal "cute" marketing creation.
Maybe not younger people, though, which may well be WK's target demographic. Though I think you'll find people "hate on it non stop" here for different reasons.
It is what it is and I'd rather take steps to remove things which I know will end up becoming a problem than attempt to go cold turkey. Managed to dramatically cut down on drinking by placing various impediments in my way. Did similar things to get 'hooked' on doing daily Anki reviews and reading for at least an hour a day. Silly but it worked at least for me.
I used to waste days on end playing video games but now spending a few hours on a free day feels like too much and I start to feel guilty for being unproductive.
No idea nor have I checked, to be honest. Steam is blacklisted on my router and it turns out that I need to update a password and verify some shit to sign in to the program, so I can't be bothered to jump through the hoops trying to find the password for the email I used (written down on paper, sealed in plastic, in a locked box- stupid but it works).
It looks as though the complete opposite happened. Maybe anon isn't afraid of making mistakes and learning from them. Maybe you are afraid of making mistakes. A lot of assumption either way for something that doesn't involve you at all.
Are you referring to any other grammar resource? I found using different mediums at the same time helped to re-enforce each other, from different angles. For example when I read through Japanese: the Manga Way, ages ago, I read it in conjunction with the Visualizing Japanese Grammar clips, which complimented each other well.
I will, here soon. I've already installed the japanese keyboard. I of course can read all the hirgana/katakana/dakuten. (easy shit I know :P ) but a lot of the kanji are of course hard to read.
>better to let the thread be turned into a reddit-tier perpetual beginner shithole than tell newbies who can't even do what the guide tells them to go away
Nah, that guy needs to fuck off.
>Rather, producing at all early is learning wrong.
>One learns correct grammar through copious exposure to native Japanese, not through making thoroughly broken sentences and getting "corrected".
This isn't a dichotomy.
>You'll either learn to recognize this as true now or you'll give up later when you don't make any progress, take your pick.
Sounds a bit like personal projection.
Whew, wall of text there bud.
>It looks as though the complete opposite happened.
Sure, for this one particular sentence. It won't extend to any long-term, overall benefit for the language as a whole though.
Don't play dumb.
>Sounds a bit like personal projection.
Nah. He's on the track to failure, plain and simple.
I'm not too interested in opening a debate with the legendary "responds to five posts in one reply" guy. Maybe instead of worrying about spending time on Dragon's Dogma you should spend less time arguing like a mother fucker on DJT.
People who are afraid to fail, will never advance, simple as that. Glad someone agrees. Anyway, I'm using tae kim, and just various resources on the internet atm whenever I get confused. I'm liking Japanesepod as my main "teacher." and have had other now "fluent" friends that have used it to great effect to begin their teachings (of course they branch out later after Japanesepod gives them a solid foundation.) That's what I'm try ing to achieve right now, a solid foundation. Rather than typing, I prefer to write things down when learning, (here's a small tidbit on my writing for wa and ga particles) (also sorry my computer camera is shit)
>People who are afraid to fail, will never advance, simple as that.
It's not about fearing failure, it's more like the fact that you're inevitably fail, and the measures to take to not fail are different than the ones you are trying. Don't simplify a complex situation like that, you'll just beget misunderstandings.
Just get out already, you're clearly one of those reddit faggots who will spend four years getting to N3, and it'd be nice if you didn't shit up the thread and make other redditors think they're welcome.
>Whew, wall of text there bud.
This isn't Twitter.
>Sure, for this one particular sentence. It won't extend to any long-term, overall benefit for the language as a whole though.
How do you know this?
>Don't play dumb.
Can you at least provide reasoning for your conclusion?
>Nah. He's on the track to failure, plain and simple.
How do you know this? Are you speaking from experience?
Sounds like you know what you're doing, man.
>It's not about fearing failure, it's more like the fact that you're inevitably fail
Once again, how do you know this? You don't know anything about anon or are you projecting from personal experience?
Mate, I don't know why you're being so hostile to me. Well, I imagine it's because I was a bit blunt, but seriously, I only gave you good advice. You're barking up the wrong tree. Maybe you will think back to this moment in a couple years, I wonder how you'll feel.
>gave good advice
You did not answer the question I asked (given, it's a beginner ques. but nontheless)
And instead just started preaching your own failures. I already learned Spanish using these methods, so how can you claim I'll fail at Japanese. Yes it's more difficult, but once you succeed in one language, others are more easily attainable.
I wish. I don't teach the "actual special needs" but a standard 9th grader is pretty special needs as it is. Nah, we just have to call either the security officer, or send them to the office. Only had to call the officer once in 2 years so that's good I guess. Luckily, the ones that throw tantrums are generally disliked and other kids will often shut them down before we even have to.
>so how can you claim I'll fail at Japanese.
You're doing a lot of things I see people who fail at Japanese do. It's a logical conclusion to make. Let's see if you're a bad enough dude to defy fate.
Are you going to deny that trends exist? B follows A all the damn time, so when I see A I suppose B is about to follow. Nothing illogical about that.
Where was I an asshole? I was blunt about my beliefs, sure, but not hostile or anything.
Whoops typed that backwards. Romaji first, hiragana,etc later. At least for now. I will eventually swap to full hiragana. When I used Anki for spanish I did the same thing, and it worked fine for me. Granted spanish written is far easier than Japanese, I decided to stick with the tried and true.
>writing in romaji
Damn. Now here is a waste on a rosetta stone level.
In a world where 90% of things are typed. Why should I learn the stroke patterns and such? It's almost like keyboards exist. As long as I can read, I will have little trouble. The waste of time is learning how to spend 5 min writing one kanji, when you could type it in 2 sec.
>B follows A all the damn time, so when I see A I suppose B is about to follow
Anon, here is a massive oversight: it isn't B follows A, it's Z follows Y, follows X, follows W, follows [etc.] and A. You have no idea of the actual variables in place here which relate to anon's personal study. All you have is the tiny insight on a fraction of what has been presented and are making the assuming that this is all of it. That is the exact reasoning in the previous logical fallacy.
>Nothing illogical about that.
It is an argument from incredulity in a nutshell. You have taken what little knowledge you have, assumed it is everything and incredulously rejected all other states and variables because it doesn't suit your outcome. Your syllogism is working from an inference which defines the propositions and not the other way around.
Well, there's something you're failing to understand here anon that's quite funny.
I said he's going to fail with full knowledge that I'm making a big assumption from a tiny amount of information. I know it's illogical, but I said it anyway because I wanted to. Not every statement a person makes is fully rational, fully logical, and so on and so on. Yes, anon, you are correct, there are many variables at play here that my prediction ignores. I really don't care. I'm making a narrow-minded, prejudiced statement for comedic effect and self-satisfaction, much like those who post Dekinai-chan when people make tiny mistakes. Congratulations, anon, on going through such efforts to point it out.
If that anon defies fate and learns Japanese, good for him, I'll smile for his success. If that anon succumbs to fate and fails, I'll nod knowingly for he stumbled along the same path of failure that many others did before him. The fact I chose the pessimistic route and said he'll fail, rather than defy fate, is as stated, mainly for self-satisfaction, and perhaps a little bullying against a newfag. Welcome to real life, Anon.
Ok shitlord. Almighty one. Enlighten me, what should I have done than to step into the lair of the almighty asshole dragon's lair? What steps would the guru of languages have me take?
Memorizing a million different rules in English to use Japanese isn't constructive. It's either a waste of time, or you will never get past an intermediate understanding of Japanese.
Everything we don't say is wrong is right. It's a binary thing, not too hard to understand.
Understanding the particles is a good thing. Using romaji and memorizing every tiny little rule to which there are often exceptions, that's bad. If you are looking for praise for going full autism and handwriting out a page of notes, you came to the wrong place.
>Instead of just saying what I am doing is wrong, why not say what is right?
So you hate us and go back to reddit instead of shitting up the thread with your dumbass questions.
When beginners produce, they fail. It's a fact of life, and the worst part is that it's not especially productive failure. One can really only learn to successfully produce on a fluent level through a lot of reading and listening, with some degree of hands-on speaking practice. Making broken beginner sentences as a beginner simply doesn't help and isn't necessary. Read through grammar guides, and when you're done, read and listen to native content. When you can understand what people say, try to talk to them - but even then the real benefits in your production will come from listening to them speak.
In the end, broken beginner speech isn't harmful, really, it's just a big waste of time given the inevitability of failure and the lack of benefit from corrections. This is especially pronounced in a language like Japanese which has completely different grammar from English and Spanish.
I should note that I mainly responded to your post in such a pessimistic way because you 1) missed "これ", one of the most basic words in the language, 2) typed in romaji, and 3) said something like " I know that Kure means this, but is it only used when asking a question" which implies you asked the question straight off from reading a basic beginner guide, and 4) you asked about Boku vs Watashi which is a question heavily reliant on nuance and therefore just a... poor question, really. You had all the elements of, frankly, someone who learns Japanese for a couple weeks or months then just gives up so I felt compelled.
What criticism? Or rather, was there any actual constructive criticism? Nope. Just a bunch of fuckers saying "Nope" and nothing else. Had there been constructive, would've been a bit different.
>Just a bunch of fuckers saying "Nope"
All of those contained some degree of advice, even if it was delivered in a way that hurts your feefees.
>When beginners produce, they fail. It's a fact of life, and the worst part is that it's not especially productive failure. One can really only learn to successfully produce on a fluent level through a lot of reading and listening, with some degree of hands-on speaking practice. Making broken beginner sentences as a beginner simply doesn't help and isn't necessary. Read through grammar guides, and when you're done, read and listen to native content. When you can understand what people say, try to talk to them - but even then the real benefits in your production will come from listening to them speak.
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Study, read, write, speak, as much as possible, even if you do it poorly. Do whatever is fun, otherwise you won't keep it up. Find a way to interact with native speakers. Make mistakes. You're a lot more likely to remember something you screwed up than something you got right. Most importantly, leave this thread and never come back unless all you want to do is get into pissing contests over how many anki cards you've memorized today. Fuck the goddamn cancerous DJT threads.
I mean, if you're going to deny the input hypothesis then that's the end of this conversation, because you're so thoroughly wrong it's best to leave you in the tar pit than try and pull you out.
>if you're going to deny the input hypothesis
Not even him, but you realize its a fucking hypothesis right? It's not a fucking theory or answer. There are competing hypotheses.
>Sure, and the other hypotheses are wrong
Wow, Dr. Anon, I'm so glad you cleared that up for me with your supporting arguments and evidence.
How does "change a word's reading by giving furigana" works in those chunni LNs? Is there any rule to making it or can one just put shit like わたし as furgiana above 女神様 and call it a day?
Not hating on writing, but you wrote more english on that page than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a writefag when it comes to kanji (for retention purposes), but I think you are wasting your time.
It's really a good resource -- a shame about their sales tactics really. I found the "upper intermediate" lessons to be quite educational, especially the discussions between the hosts. Worth listening to during commutes.
All the tools are there. I suspect that if you were to painstakingly go through every lesson, actually drill the vocab and kanji, repeatedly read along with the transcript while listening to the audio until you can follow it at speed, etc. that by the time you finished the final lesson, you'd have more a lot more than just a solid foundation.
The thing is, they're essentially the same methods promoted here in /djt/ - consume native material, learn the vocab, wash, rinse, repeat.
If you want supporting arguments and evidence, read academic articles. It's foolish to expect that level of discussion on 4chan, and it's even more foolish to participate in such a discussion. I'm just a dude who believes in something and is willing to make abrasive statements about it, not a dude who is ready or willing to engage in a thorough linguistic battle on a taiwanese slideshow forum.
>Don't make stupid claims unless you are prepared to support your stupid claims.
No. I will make claims and be fully prepared to not support them.
No. Why would you even say that?
>watching lets play
>girl keeps say ほいーほいー
>not sure if it's a dialect or just a personal phrasing she likes
>feel compelled to stop watching so I don't develop an urge to say it
>Collecting every hero coin, and she actually calls him "Rambi" and not, "the rhino"
>I have a boner for everything DKC, and even listen to a donkey kong podcast
Well shit, I'll have to keep up, is this it done or still ongoing?
Question: I'm just starting after learning the kana and while I can remember the meanings of words and kanji really easily I struggle with the sounds.
Does anyone have any tips to help remember the sounds when you first start and have nothing to relate things to or do I just have to drill until I have some basis to make mnemonics on? Is using English mnemonics for the sounds a good or bad idea?
Fix my schedule to fit in japanese
(Math chem or physics)
Can I learn japanese dekinai-chan? I've quit all my stupid games. But gained an addiction for cigs and coffee in exchange.
It just depends on what the object of the action is. As a general rule, you use 閉じる when your action just changes an object's configuration, e.g. closing your eyes, closing a book, close thing lid on a laptop... and you use 閉める when your action is affecting the space around the object by severing a connection between its sides, e.g. closing a door, closing a window, closing the lid on a box...
Do japanese as a break from other things. Start with Kana then do wanikani since you can't get lost doing it too long. It forces you to wait long periods between very short study sessions anyway so it's a fun break from other things and can never take too long.
Diablo 3 has a Japanese edition on consoles
but probably you'll never learn Japanese desu senpai
gotta make sacrifices
sounds tough but its true. gotta dedicate time each day to it
I'm 900 cards into 2k/6k. But I feel like I don't really have a grasp on grammar, the thing is I'm studying so much because I've got a scholarship test on june. I live in a shitty south american country in which education is a piece of shit.
So I'm having a scholarship test to leave this piece of shit, fully paid undergrad in japan if I succeed. There is only one spot. There are 5 exams: Math, Phy, Chem, Jap, Eng.
The thing is I'm really not confident in my grammar. Should I go to JTMW and TK again? I want to do the DOJG deck too. Any advise is appreciated.
Just give up now. If you can't into Hiragana in a week you'll never learn. Hiragana and Katakana should be done right at the start, right alongside your basic shit like konnichiwa, tadaima, boku wa anon desu, counting to ten and the like. Idk how long ago you started but there's no excuse to ever use romaji. Hiragana is literally your ABCs.
It's not bullshit. In fact, it's a basic law even on this board. You lurk more faggot. Don't post before you understand the culture. If your learning a language you gotta lurk a long long time.
Producing is a waste of time.
>A lot of my cards are sentences.
Sentences are huge "Wasters" in Anki, a single second adds 8 minutes to 494 reviews, so realistically if you spend five seconds reading each sentences that's 41 additional minutes. It's not even comparable to vocabulary decks, it "wastes" so much time.
Also, be aware that if you tab out of anki it keeps tracking time up to 60 seconds by default. If you tab out every couple of cards anki will report you spent a LOT more time studying than you actually did.
I haven't studied for quite a while (almost a year) and the cards that are in the desk are lost. I wasn't very far into learning so would it be better to somehow reset the progress on that deck?
I know it takes a while, but I feel I can remember them so much better than pure vocab. Dictionary style just hasn't worked for me that well. The time it takes is a pain but words feel more "alive" when I see them in sentences. My main worry is it will eventually take too long to even finish if I work full time.
It has it's pros and cons but at least for now I prefer it.
believe there are studies that show people retain new words better when in a sentence, gives the word more meaning than just a raw definition
what ever you find more enjoyable, go for it. Not everyone is the same.
Anyway, I wasn't saying sentences were worse for memory or anything, just that when it comes to anki, you end up spending WAAAY more time doing flashcards with sentence decks.
Can ご主人様 be used for females too?
I think I saw it once in a hentai
It's not even what's fun even, it's just, when you have so many cards like
1. a bundle of sticks
2. a homosexual (vulgar language)
It's hard to know how well you really "get it". For an example (because I have tons of just plain vocab cards as well):
I saw the card 引き返す today and I felt like I knew it until I saw the back of the card. I know ひく and かえす and they are fairly easy words. I'm going through cards, bam bam bam, yep, I know it I know it. But then the back of this card is something like "to repeat" and "to retrace one's steps". But I was thinking "to pull back".
Am I wrong? I don't even know. Because there's no context, no nothing. I didn't get the exact back of the card right... but I was going through the reviews so fast, of course I'm not going to think of the definition in detail. I only briefly thought of "to pull back". So do I know this word or not? Would I understand it in a sentence?
When I have context everything is much clearer. I either know it, can't remember it, or get it wrong. And I can easily decide whether or not to fail a card. Time consuming it may be, however I just find its so much more straightforward.
Your example about 引き返す just sounds like your problem is not actually looking at the back of the card moreso than anything about context
And again, you get that level of learning from actually reading native material, you only need to get a rough idea (and the reading) from anki
The only reason I found her was because I was looking for a female LPer of FF6 that read all the text. Of course, I never ended up watching any of the videos after I found her.
I've also collected a list of German female LPers too, but I've only watched about 2 hours total of them.
I don't think I even like LPs, but they seem like they would be good practice, so I keep searching for them.
Oh, are you the one who linked it? Honestly, I had no idea where I found her, I just noticed the tab open.
Let's plays... I'm not sure if they're good practice, but they're easy to watch for hours straight so they're my main source of listening practice recently. Anime has a plot to miss but let's plays are just a game.
Hiraku is like a flower blooming open I think, open a bank account. If it spreads outwards like a portal to another world its probably hiraku
Aku is just open, open a window, open a drawer
They are slightly different meanings.
Don't take my word for this though.
I've already beaten Donkey Kong Country 2, and I watch lets plays for the personality of the player more so than for watching the game most of the time. I've watched a couple LPs of games I've already beaten just because the player was so entertaining. In this case it's for listening practice though.
Does anyone have any good recommendations for relaxing Japanese stuff (besides anime)?
So instead of taking a break from sentence mining or whatever and just going back to English shit, some kind of Japanese game or mmo that I can kill time in instead? Anyone know what I mean by this? Something you can use for "down time". Right now I play too much Starcraft 2. If only there was a Japanese language pack or something.
Someone should make a list of good Japanese games and shit to occupy your time with.
Japanese Let's Plays ( 実況 ) are good for brainlessly killing time
When it comes down to it if you play a game like SC2 you're not gonna get a lot of Japanese value from it unless it's an RPG which is pretty much a VN
That only hurts yourself. What would even be the point unless you're one of those fags that posts their Anki stats? Why even bother doing reps then? You're already giving up, you might as well save yourself the time you're wasting with pretending to do reps.
I don't get the hate, it's a great way to hear natural speech from a real person, and you can still follow what they're doing even if you fail to understand some or most of what they're saying.
That might be good. Thing is a lot of Japanese games are really kanji heavy, and it's basically the same as reading a VN or some shit anyway. Like, I got FFXIV but there's so many made up words and shit.
Pokemon was a great babbys first Japanese RPG for me. So for anyone else I recommend that, the language is simple and you'll get to learn RPG words like experience points, poison, potion etc. Too bad I beat every Pokemon game multiple times now and I need something new.
best I got
Yeah. I mean, I'm kinda trying to find something for down time. I'm reading Utawarerumono with a text hooker atm, but when I'm not doing that I thought It'd be good if I was doing something else in Japanese instead of in English. So many games are text heavy though that it's like, may as well go back to the VN.
I'd been trying to use Anki to learn like a dunce, I started doing doodles with each of the words I was struggling with and now it's going up again, but I hit a wall for awhile where every card was again and I couldn't keep it in my head. Turns out just flash cards is a terrible idea. Whoops.
I read the guide motherfucker. What im asking is about the hiragana themselves. Do i pick one out of the blue and repeat it until i can write it properly and memorize it? Or should i learn them in a certain order?.
The proper order for the Hiragana is
All at once
Hiragana should not take you too long at all. If it does, I'm just trying to be realistic here, give up on learning before you waste too much time, cause you'll probably never get anywhere.
Do this, then when you're comfortable with each do realkana until you can recongize them, then learn to write them and stroke order. Rote memorizing from nothing will just waste your time and frustrate you.
Then to Katakana, then start on anki. If you're going to do wanikani, go ahead and start up your free trial right now, by the time you get past radicals you'll know your kana and will be able to start kanji.
I did this too(If you did what I think you did), for years. Didn't fall for the core deck meme but I did just add random cards in and set it for X new ones a day without studying in any other way. Just kept on going through them fail fail until they eventually stuck. It's so inefficient and I'm pretty sure you just forget them again eventually anyway.
Yep, that's what I'd been doing. Had only been doing it for two weeks or so, so at least I didn't waste much time. Turns out the story method actually helps retention and learning a lot.
Also I'm going to do tae kim then other grammar alongside my meme deck so I can practice writing sentences between reviews.
Thank you. Apparently it'd be optimal to disregard learning how to write by hand for now.
Do people like you get some sort of pleasure out of writing useless stuff? If you are not going to answer a question with something useful, wouldn't you rather not answer at all? Anyways.