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>champa saga starts next week
WHO HYPE HERE?
THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT
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>>136207667
Finally DBS starts for real next week.
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>>136207667
>toei
>saving budget
>giving a shit about animating at all
Dbsfags are so new it hurts
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>>136207667
Holy shit that QUALITY
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It's going to be funny when absolutely nothing changes and you retards will claim they're saving money for the arc after that.
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>>136207872
>What is Precure?
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>>136207667
>THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT
>toei
>DBfags actually believe this
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>>136207917
>>136207872
you will regret saying that
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>>136207667

I want Frost to become an ally, and I want a much smaller cast of characters.

Right now it seems like we either get EVERYONE crowding around, or we get just Vegeta and Goku.

I just want Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Bulma, flying around the Universe, fighting evil, and saving Earth. Maybe some new character could tag along too, like Frost.
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>>136207992
What are you going to do, stab me?
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>>136207737
Hope Piccolo's fight is as good as his fight with 17.
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>>136208001
I bet you liked GT
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Why didn't DBS use insert song like Hero and F?
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>>136208058

I liked the idea of GT, yeah, but it was quickly dropped in favor of a poor Z clone. It tried to be Z, it fell short, and the consequences were bad.
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>>136207737
>YFW Winnie The Pooh beats the shit out of Vegeta
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>>136208153
You wish, Vegeta will take care of the midget saiyan instead
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Manga raws when?
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>>136208041
Quote from man stabbed
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>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection_%E2%80%98F%E2%80%99_Saga
>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Champa_Saga


27. Goku's Conclusive Kamehameha! (Today)
28. Arrival!! God of Destruction Champa!
29. Showdown Between Universes!

Almost there anons almost there
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>>136207992
Please. If you really think Dragonball is a franchise so tight on money that they'd need to limit themselves with a budget at all you're fucking retarded.

Nothing is going to change.
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>>136208226
Hello that one other guy on /a/ not a total fucking pleb.
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What happened to this month's DBS manga chapter?
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>>136208321
This

it's just Toei being Toei and there's no real reason for them to change their ways
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>>136207667
>THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxwwcAmdOcg
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>>136208573
its a lie anon don't believe him
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>>136207667
>>136207737
>>136207954
>>136207992
>>136208308
Do you seriously think that Toei cares about Dragon Ball? The Battle Of Gods movie and Resurrection Of Freeza was filled with QUALITY. The movie was made to hype the fans again and it still has QUALITY. DBS will have 100 episodes as Toei said before, are you that retarded to think that they will spend money in the tourtnament? they will only make one episode look good and then everything will go to shit as always. Keep dreaming you faggot.
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>>136208794
>The Battle Of Gods movie and Resurrection Of Freeza was filled with QUALITY
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>>136207667
>champa saga starts next week
New OP?
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>>136208410

I really have to disagree with this completely.

The episodes we've had so far up to this point, have just been retellings of the movies. I don't know if you're aware, but these films have made bucketloads of money in Japan. Everybody and their dog has seen Battle of Gods by now, and the same will likely apply to RoF.

Notice how the amount of advertising for Super was so small? How it was literally just ''oh ye btw there's a new dragon ball series coming'', then there was like, a 7 second promo clip after Kai finished broadcasting, and then 2 weeks later we had episode 1?

I have a strong feeling that all the Super episodes so far have acted as a 5 month ''preview'' to get new audiences watching the show.

They can't bank on everybody watching the movies before watching Super, and they can't advertise RoF at the SAME TIME as Super, so these past 20 something episodes have just been cheap material to help get people up to speed, before the new material arrives.


Notice how, when we get new material not shown in the films, the animation immediately increases?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPrSm7M-nNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM3wqXq4j2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCBfB-XPyg

I don't know for certain, but I have a hunch the budget will increase when we get new stuff. The evidence is there. I'll happily eat my own words on this, but I've got my hopes up.
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>>136208308
Vados a cute.
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>>136208794
>The Battle Of Gods movie and Resurrection Of Freeza was filled with QUALITY. The movie was made to hype the fans again and it still has QUALITY
That's wrong though

Also BoG was good. RoF wasn't as good but made more money so I'm pretty sure fans are significantly hyped fo the new shit
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SOON
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>>136208410
I think they are going to change though. This is literally new material. Nobody cared about the BoG or RoF retelling because we've already seen it (though they did have a few well-animated episodes near the end of it)
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>>136208854
Do you call this good animation? open your fucking eyes
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>>136208940
>I-It's not shit it was just a 5 month preview

The delusion of DBfags everyone.
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>>136208573
God I miss Kai's ost.
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>>136208854
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>>136209202
yeah BOG was good and ROF better but in terms of animation it isn't THAT amazing
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I'm convinced Toei just uses Dragon Ball and One Piece to train new animators so they can build experience before being put on shows that demand a higher level of quality to sell like Pretty Cure.
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>>136209274
>Do you call this good animation?
>Posts a still image
Dumbass pls
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>Naotoshi Shida animating Gear 4
Lucky ass One Piecefags
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>People are actually expecting Super to magically be good all of a sudden just because it moves away from the movies
lmao you delusional idiots. Prepare to be disappointed yet again.
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>>136207667
>THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT
>Actually believing Toei gives a shit
>This is what super fags actually believe
Holy shit my sides, it's actually kind of sad to think there's people with hope
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>>136209274
>Posting an image in which Gohan is literally turning in a circle and everybody else is cheering for him
>Animation

Good job anon
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>>136209294
Nice arguement faggot
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>>136208940
It's Toei, you're a deluded idiot.
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>>136209294

So the lack of advertising, the conjunction with the release of the movies, and the fact that quality goes up when we get new content mean nothing to you?

Also, when did I say it wasn't shit? Of course it's shit, I've watched like 8 episodes and the animation is insulting. But it's obvious that something's amiss. It's not wishful thinking, it's common sense.
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>>136209213
>Beerus
When are they going to remove this piece of shit?
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>>136209892
>talking shit about the best character in the series
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We don't even know for sure PreCure team is going to swap with DBS' team, do we?
Mahou Tsukai Precure is coming in February so they may not swap.
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>>136209816
No, it's extremely wishful thinking. Your simply deluding yourself into believing that Toei will suddenly up the ante on the quality of its animation and art by sheer virtue of moving onto a new arc. That's not how it works. You'll have no one to blame but yourself when your expectations get dashed.
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>>136209985
>We don't even know for sure PreCure team is going to swap with DBS' team, do we?
Of course they're not gonna swap. Who the fuck thinks that?
DBS will have the same shit quality the next arc.
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>>136209985
>precure: 100% toei owned ip, all profits go to them
>DBS: some money has to actually go to toriyama and wsj

Hmmm, I wonder which one they'll put more effort into
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>>136209985
>tfw Mahou Tsukai Precure will become the new Fresh in terms of animation and fights to make DBS good
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reminder

battle of gods = saiyan saga
revival of f = frieza saga
champa saga = cell games

buu is coming
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>>136210169
If that means being as fun as Fresh, I'm in.
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>>136209986

>Toei will suddenly up the ante on the quality of its animation and art by sheer virtue of moving onto a new arc

...yeah? Of course.

Has it occurred to you that nearly every episode we've had so far has already been animated? Has it occurred to you that these episodes aren't even covered in the promotional manga? Or have these facts gone over your head?

No, it won't be a gigantic improvement, but this is the first new, original televised narrative we've seen from the Dragon Ball franchise in 18 years. If you think the animation is going to be just as bad, you're a retard.
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>>136210203
>implying champa saga isn't otherworld tournament

cell is coming
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>>136210294
>but this is the first new, original televised narrative we've seen from the Dragon Ball franchise in 18 years. If you think the animation is going to be just as bad, you're a retard.

That's the wishful thinking we're talking about. These two statements don't follow each other logically, you just want the animation to not be shit so badly you're deluding yourself into thinking that this makes sense.
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>>136210293
>the new Fresh in terms of animation and fights
Read anon
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>>136210294
>The new content will be better because I want it to be
Superfags, everyone
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>>136210294
It's this your first anime?
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Anyone have a stream link?
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>>136210408

You're cherry picking sentences that have no clear evidence, and then ignoring the facts that I'm presenting. To make them clear to you above all else.

>We've already seen this content
>Instead of the typical 6 months of promotional hype and previews most anime get before broadcast, we got 5 months of low quality recapping of established story
>all the new content we've got in Super has had more attention and quality finish
>the viewership for the Tournament arc will be extremely high, warranting a higher budget

please stop beating around the bush
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>>136210724
They're not facts, you're just an idiot who doesn't understand how an anime works.
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>>136210787
Nice argument faggot
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>>136207954
Girl looks like she was about to rape the dude.
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>>136210829
He's right though. Educate yourself.
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>>136210724
>the viewership for the Tournament arc will be extremely high, warranting a higher budget

There are people who actually believe this.
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>>136210724
>all the new content we've got in Super has had more attention and quality finish
Oh yeah, Beerus and Champa standing around doing literally nothing is requires so much attention and appliance of quality
>the viewership for the Tournament arc will be extremely high, warranting a higher budget
Not if the current ratings for Super are anything to go by
Face it, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and scraping as far into the barrel as you can to protect this pipedream of yours about Toei giving a shit about the quality of a Dragon Ball show when they know it's just a cash cow anyway.
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>>136210787

>they're not facts

Can somebody please at least TRY and debunk my theory? So far it's just been ''lol! superfags are dumb'' remarks or ''lol implying you know what you're talking about'' damage control shit.

I've literally been stacking up genuine reasons as to why the end of the stuff we've already seen will have more money and time put into it, and all I've had is retarded remarks.

Being a cunt doesn't validate any kind of counterargument.
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>>136207667
i stopped watching at episode 16

is the animation fixed yet or has anything good happened?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95hzQGiKiEg
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>>136210993
No and no.
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>>136211021
SAIYAN BLOOD!
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>>136207954
>>136210502

Is this the same show?
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>>136210973
That's not what damage control is.
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>>136211091
Same franchise but different shows.
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>>136210724
The new content were also low key SoL episodes, so you can't really compare their budget.

You people think Dragon Ball is some legendary biggest series ever when One Piece is leagues above it these days and gets treated just as poorly as DBS. It's Toei, you should always have low expectations.
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I'll be happy when Super's over and Dragon Ball threads can be about Dragon Ball again.
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>>136210973
>Can somebody please at least TRY and debunk my theory?
No one can. It's not possible right now. But at the same time, you can't prove your theory is correct. Currently, it's just a theory with no concrete support to it, and nothing more. It's like the argument about the concept of God. No one is able to conclusively prove whether he is or isn't real until some tangible evidence shows up. This is similar. While no one can prove you wrong, you yourself can't validate any of your claims. The only thing any of us can do is wait until Toei releases the episodes.

But like others have said, believing wholeheartedly that what you're saying is true is just asking for disappointment.
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>>136208308
>28. Arrival!! God of Destruction Champa!
Can't wait for people to get BTFO
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>>136211235

I never once said I wholeheartedly believed. I even said I'd happily eat my own words if it turned out to be crap, as I'd given up on the show a while back anyway.

But when people give really vague, irrelevant comments like ''lol implying this is true'' and shit like that, It's my role to defend myself. Because in the end, the Universe 6 tournament is going to be the first original content. There's a good chance that Toei, even if it's just a few episodes at the start, will increase the quality.
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>>136210724
If we're lucky we might even reach GT levels of quality!
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>>136211618
>It's my role to defend myself
>It's my role
Lel, get over yourself, faggot. It's an anonymous image board. No one gives a shit.
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>>136211730

What? It's called a figure of speech.
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>>136212016
No, it isn't.
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>>136211618
Listen, you need to learn the process of anime productions. If the team in charge of DBS doesn't change the quality won't be any higher. The current team is always behind schedule, fucking things up and relying on Toei Phils to cover up their mess. ADs can't fix every cuts considering there's too many shitty cuts and the too much tight scheduling.
It doesn't matter if there's a huge turn out in the show or not. If animators can't work on the show because of the deadlines, you'll get nothing but QUALITY everywhere.
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>THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT

It's good to dream, anons.
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>>136212708

In the very first 14 second preview for Super, we saw high quality, finished clips of the Universe 6 arc. They were finished a while ago, and they look pretty good. Again, I'm not saying it's 100% confirmed, but looking at the evidence, I'd say we're going to go from ''poor'' to ''average'' quality at least.
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>>136207667
Is it next week or tomorrow?
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>>136212937
>In the very first 14 second preview for Super, we saw high quality, finished clips of the Universe 6 arc. They were finished a while ago, and they look pretty good.
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>>136208940
I want to put my dick in Vados
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>>136212937
>preview for Super,
Of course you see high quality cut, it was a promotional video.
They always get the best cuts for them.
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Jesus just calm yourselves and wait for the preview after today's episode.
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>>136212664
Seriously where are the raws for the next chapter?
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>>136213383
it's not 21st, yet
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New Opening next episode then?
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Anyone have some DB/Z webms?
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>>136207737
>Majin Pooh
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>>136209892
>destroys so many planets casually
>even when having a fit
>no one can beat him or stop him either

He's pure gold, anon.
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Has anyone ripped the rest of the Dragon Ball digital colored manga yet?
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>>136208001
>I want Frost to become an ally, and I want a much smaller cast of characters.
>I want NotFreeza! to join the cast!

The more I learn about DBS and its fanbase, the more I start to actually miss GT
This is a fucking problem
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>>136208940

Why is Vegeta so cute in DB Super?
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>>136214752
That renault 5 turbo. Japs liking french (not so god) cars while they have the best. Weeabooism towards france i say
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>>136209503
>Lucky one piece fags
80% of the time it looks like garbage and has the pacing of a dramatic reading of War and Peace. But yeah. Lucky One Piece fags.
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>>136209274
>I've made a huge mistake
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>>136214737
>the more powerful = the better character
classic powerlevel fag
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>>136215177
Nice selective reading there senpai
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I dropped it after episode 16. If i have watched both movies which episode can i start on?
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>>136215999
Are you blind? Read the thread.
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>>136215857
>Selective reading.
All I'm saying is one piece is basically impossibly slow, hard to get into and it looks shitty almost all the time. But yay. We get a couple of well animated scenes. Whoopie.
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>>136216241
how come they can't animate DBS like this?
i don't get it
the bad animation of Super totally ruins it for me
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I don't get it. Why couldn't they just make a 25 episode series with a new story. Why fucking 100 episodes and the new part only starting now.
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>>136216433
this
and the new content doesn't really look promising
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>>136214389
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>>136216433
I wonder if it's really 100 episodes. It was on Toei's EU site of all things and it got removed later. Seems like a placeholder or something.
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>>136216658
Still, the season could've been done by now. I don't mind a lot of episodes if, but this quality is just awful.
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>>136216550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwTsB_oaCS8

Why didn't the BoG and RoF sagas keep the insert songs from the movies?
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>>136216658
>it actually was a placeholder
>the episode count is now 200 instead
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>>136216882
>the episode count is now 200 instead
Cool.
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>>136216314
>The Special Beam Cannon is a generic wobbly beam
Fuck this special with the force of a hundred dicks
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>>136208046
don't get my hopes up like that. I forgot how good DBZ could be.
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>>136216433
Money.
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>>136216798
probably double licensing fees or something
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>>136213467
they usually come out earlier than the 21st though
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>>136208940
>Everybody and their dog has seen Battle of Gods by now
>They can't bank on everybody watching the movies before watching Super
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>>136207954
I always wondered, why is she making the happy faces? does she want the D?
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>>136207954
Who animated this? Ota?
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>>136218827
Yep
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>>136219106
Neat. I'll have to catch up though, I'm ~35 episodes behind.
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>>136210685
galaxy9000
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>>136209297
Animation is great but the fight is still shit and slow compared to the movie
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Fuck Super. I'll just stick with the abridged manga
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Almost time for DBS.
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>>136209274
krillin should not be that small
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>>136220504
Nor Dende.
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>>136220597
for beerus' sake they're smaller than trunks
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>>136220729
>for beerus' sake
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>>136207954
I hope Precure tanks.
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>>136209274
THANK YOU TOEI
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>>136207667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz6E-yx4hVo

DRAGONBALLLLLLLLLLL
DRAGONBALLLLLLLL HEROES
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>>136209274
seriously what the shit
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>>136222861
Well to be fair, Krillin was always pretty inconsistantly short. The only times he's tall is if he's looking cool or actually fighting. Otherwise his shrimpiness tends to be exaggerated.
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>>136222861
One is a inbetween and one is a still from an opening.
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>>136214824

What's so bad about anything he said?
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>>136208046
They totally forgot all the creativity of the fight sequences.....All they know now is animating some punches and ki attacks....and repeat for all characters.
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>>136223083
Christ.
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>>136223114

...

Thanks for sharing your faith with us all. Unfortunately you didn't answer the question.
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>>136222861
Goku's height compared to Yamcha and Tien is pretty inconsistent too.
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>>136223082
Read the filename. I'm pretty sure anon is referring to Krillin's height.
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>>136223082
it's all the time in DBS, krillin doesn't come up to 18's bellybutton anymore
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>>136223499
Here they are at the end of Dragonball.
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>>136222722
holy shit
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>>136216433
They wanted to remake the movie events to throw away Fox, since they co-owned the movies.
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>>136223615
This is the best I can find for mid android.
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>>136222722
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>mfw the episode starts at 6 minutes in
And this music is, uh, something.
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>>136223083
We literally just finished having a movie AND dedicating a large arc of the new series to reviving Freeza. Yes, we know he's a popular character, but when is enough going to be enough?

Even the new arc just takes him, recolors him and calls it a new character, and we have Superfriends chomping at the bit hoping he's GOOD, NOT EVIL LIKE FREZZA.
It's a complete lack of creativity and just aping what was from the old series just because it was popular then. You couldn't come up with a new character design? Something new and unique?

Worse still, Superfriends will clambor on about how cool and original this new series is while asking for more recolors and hoping that they join the cast while making fun of "Mexicans" for wanting nice Brolly or something. It's literally the same goddamn thing.
GT isn't good, but I can at least acknowledge the points when it tried throwing out some original designs or characters. I can hardly say the same for Super.
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>>136222722
Nice fanart
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>>136207954

Is precure worth watching?
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Already back to life.
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Back to training
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>Gohan tells Videl that he is going to work harder to protect her in the future
PLEASE TORIYAMA
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>>136224588
I really like this screenshot.
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>>136224293
Super and Dragonball GT suffer from opposite issues. I enjoy Super's lighthearted tone and the characters are a bit silly in toriyama fashion. BUT it's got the issue of relying a bit on just taking previously established stuff and putting it on a slightly bigger scale (Then again I'd argue Cell feels very similar to that). While GT actually has decent concepts for a more serious story and they're put together so horribly and in such a messy manner you can't even enjoy it, while also feeling kind of like a fanfiction written by a teenage boy. GT is everything that's bad about the Z audience specifically. Super is everything that's bad about Dragonball and toriyama's series in general.
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>>136224394
>>136224394
Yes, but you are too late now, the current series is on its last chapters, the next series, witch themed, will start on february 7th.
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hmm nep looks interesting
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>>136224640
>Gohan starts writing reports for his business while dodging lazers and feeding the baby.
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Gohan is going back to training, thank God,
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>>136224293
You're acknowledging the new Freeza race guy, so what about all the other team members? A robot, the bear thing, the purple guy with a pretty different outfit from anything else in DB?
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>>136224679
So...does piccolo eat? Does he just choose to eat for fun or something?
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>>136224741
He can eat, But drinking water is all he needs
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Reminder.
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>>136224725
Not him but
>Robot
Very classic Toriyama. Doesn't seem to be ripping anything off in particular but if he appeared in Dragonball or Dr. Slump I wouldn't bat an eye.
>The bear thing
Beyond looking like Winnie the Pooh I guess he's at least unique
>Purple guy
I dunno. Something about him looks really familiar. I just can't put my finger on him.
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>>136224813
fucboi no more
mah baby gohan will start training again!
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>new content next week at last
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>>136224813
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>>136224828
That robot reminds me of Robo which was Toriyama's design as well.
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>>136224509
>Fucking this beautiful angel every night
>Gohanfags still thinking he became a loser
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MAKE WAY BITCHES!
BEST KAMEHAMEHA COMING THROUGH!
>the music
>the sound
>the build up to utter failure
>ugh muh dick
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>>136224858
Am I the only one that wish DBS had just been slice of life with a few adventures here and there instead of trying to have a plot? Like just a "What did everyone do after Buu saga?" kind of thing.
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>>136224915
he's too busy reading books and writing essays to fuck her
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>>136224941
Woah nigga. Let me stop you right there.
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>>136225264
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>>136208940
EAT YOUR OWN WORDS THEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Y90FOF9ww

AWFUL
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>>136225477
There's nothing awful here. Sure there's no sakuga but it's decent.
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>>136224229
LOOK IN HER EYES.

SHE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

IN HER LAST MOMENT OF LIFE SHE KNEW SHE COULD NOT SAVE HER DAUGHTER.

That earth ending scene was way better than it was in the movie.
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>>136224828
His face, including the front lighter area, is pretty much one of the custom Namek faces for Dragonball Online and Xenoverse, just colored purple, and those were actually Toriyama designs as well.
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>>136225477
I saw nothing awful. Sure there is the goofy part with Champ dodging the tree but that's usual dragonball sillyness. Not QUALITY
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So, is it worth coming back to?
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>>136225869
I'm talking about the part where Beerus and Champa are trading blows, that looks awful.
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>>136225964
It's mean to look like that though.
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>>136225945
No.
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To the desilusional fags above who think the quality will improve, here's your quality:

"Dragon XXXX (he censors the name to avoid popping up in searches), where I'm working at the moment, is beyond help. The animation director can only check the layout for 10 days. No matter what, the quality can't be guaranteed. Who messed the schedule up, and when?"

https://twitter.com/ShuzilowHA/status/685131202542440448

This guy is an animator working the upcoming episodes.

:)
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>>136226122
>believing some nobody
thank you anyway :^)
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>>136226122
>This guy is an animator working the upcoming episodes.
He didn't say that, and considering the tweet is from 10 days ago he might've worked on #27.
Too lazy to download a raw and check it out though.
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>>136209213
just curious is toriyama still drawing his mangas ? would have assumed he's pretty much chilling on a sunny ilsand profiting from the millions he has
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>>136226479
he stopped drawing a few years ago I think
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>>136226479
Jaco.
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>>136226479
No. Toriyama is basically just writing an outline and Toyatoro is doing the actual manga. Both the manga and the anime are based on this outline and therefore will probably have a few differences, as one isn't based on the other.
Although I DO think Toriyama drew Jaco and that wasn't too long ago.
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>>136226572
Wait so someone else is drawing Dragon Ball now? And DBfags still eat this shit up? Literally /co/ tier.
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>>136226777
It's just an advertisement for the anime, who the fuck cares.
Nice digits.
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>toei saving budget for dragon ball when they've been saving it for one piece
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>>136226360
>>136226477

Being this DBfag...
I don't know how you people still trust in Toei.
What will you say next week when the episode sucks? "hurr hurr the fights will look good"?

The preview looks as worse as DBS has always look, and I'm not talking about animation, everything is awfully put together. The colour and the scenes composition. Bad animation isn't the problem, bad directors and planners is.
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>>136226777
They have been eating fanfiction tier shit for a long time.

GT
Heroes
Xenoverse


and now Super.
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>>136226883
>What will you say next week when the episode sucks? "hurr hurr the fights will look good"?

That is exactly what they will say. I've seen this desperate logic countless times in the past.
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>>136226883
Why the fuck did you quote me?
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>>136226777
The manga is on monthly release and skips around. It's not like we're reading it like it's Dragon Ball. I'm not just gonna say "No thanks. Not Toriyama's art so I hate it." especially considering that the outline IS done by toriyama. I probably wouldn't even know Toriyama wasn't drawing it if it wasn't for me reading that online.
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>>136226947
They're desperate.
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>>136227021
What the fuck did you just ask me?
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>>136226572
Yes, Toriyama did Jaco
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>>136226777
>>136227025
At least know what his art looks like these days.
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Do you think Gohan will be in the tournament arc for the anime?
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>>136227341
Jesus. Those legs on Vegeta. It just looks so wrong to me.
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>>136209274
Isnt Dende an adult by now? He was in Buu saga.
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>>136226777
If you like Super you're not a DBfag
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>>136224725
I think they look dumb, but at least they're not literal recolors.
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>the same fucking eye-line like thing under every alien-like character not to mention he looks like a piccoro ripoff
>midget saiyan = vegetat's brother
>yet ANOTHER fucking frieza
>And obviously, the pooh/buu like thing that is ridiculously stupid designed and the random shit robot thing

jesus fucking christ how low is his imagination right now seriously, painfull to see
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>>136227341
goku's clothes are shit compared to the epic red one he had
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>>136227341
I like Vegeta's new clothes. Hate the squiggle signature
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>>136224915
>this beautiful angel
That shit isn't Videl, it's just a failed clone of the true Videl.
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>>136227981
TRUTH
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>>136224186
>>136224509
>>136224541
>>136224588
I won't believe Toei actually had the guts to let Gohan train. Toyotaro is still in the "let's bully him for not training" phase in the manga.
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>>136222861
I used to believe that those 2 fuckers from Gohan's Highschool are gonna be relevant.
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>>136228210
How?
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>>136222722
>Reaching this hard
top kek
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>>136222722
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>>136214389
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>>136228799
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>>136223095
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>>136227981
They are both gone and dead anon. Let go.
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>>136224640
Fuck that let him focus on being a scholar, Goku and everyone else can handle shit.
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>>136229036
Fuckin' Yamcha and his sentient leg trying to escape.
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>>136229126
At least he had a good start.
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>>136228998
Never, fuck Toriyama. Toei actually did a better job than him, I mean the fucktards that made GT.
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>>136229214
You will take your perfect waifu and love it
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>>136229036
>>136229201
Was it so hard to let the humans learn the Kaoiken? The only reason Toriyama made Yamcha a jobber was because he didn't know what to do with him after the Cell saga.
B-but how could the humans learn it?
The humans have been dead in various occasions, make King Kai teaches them.
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>>136224915
This, spending time with his family and getting closer to his dream of becoming a scholar. Gohan is living the good life.
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>>136229201
Tien was an ass back in the day.
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>>136229360
Bardock, Videl and Gohan; best edition with Toei.
>>136229455
When he finds the real Videl, maybe.
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>>136229535
Yep and that's what made him great.
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>>136224941
>BEST KAMEHAMEHA COMING THROUGH!
Meh

https://a.pomf.cat/isqjtj.webm
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>>136225120
>Am I the only one that wish DBS had just been slice of life
Yeah now fuck off.
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>>136229409
What a shit reason. There is no reason for the humans to be so weak when they basically have two demigods to train with at this point.
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>>136229409
>The only reason Toriyama made Yamcha a jobber
Yamcha's been a jobber since dragonball. He was the guy who died first so you know how strong the next guy is. He's one of the oldest characters and has probably only won 2-3 fights, maybe.

As for why King Kai didn't teach them, it's the same reason why characters started disappearing. Toriyama didn't really feel like doing anything with them anymore. If you're not an alien or part alien you're not interesting. And I honestly doubt Kaioken would've made them anymore relevant.
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>>136229592
>When he finds the real Videl
Nice meme.
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>>136227669
Dende is part of the Dragon Clan of Namekians. They focus on magic and healing, whereas the Warrior Clan of Namekians, which is what all the tall fuckers are, focus on warrior shit and mature faster.
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>>136229409
Kaioken was a shitty narrative idea and it had upperlimits anyway. Goku was the only one using it at incremental uses the rest of the characters are assumed to just have learnt from it and incorporated it in their normal fighting styles.
even with it, Yamcha is still a shitlord that cant do shit.
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Bulma gives me such a rock solid boner in that white shirt.
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>>136229535
Wu-Crane School ain't Nothin' to Fuck Wit
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>>136230027
basically if kaioken worked for characters at any level then all that prevented a stronger villain from getting a boost was learning this shitty technique that even goku before super sayan could use.
that would mean that freeza only had to learn it to push his power tenfold, cell could have overpowered gohan by just going into it for a few minutes and buu could have just kicked genkidama away, its a narration pitfall if everyone has access to multipliers
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Bulma and Chi-Chi episode when?
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>>136230273
I want this more than anything else in a dragonball series.
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>>136230120
Even King Kai wasn't able to use Kaioken while he was able to use Instant Transmission, which is an ability that surprises even Gods when used in their presence. I'd say that means Kaioken is at the very least an extremely difficult ability to use. It's also EXTREMELY taxing on the body. If anyone of the villains used Kaioken to defeat Goku one of the other Z fighters would have no trouble cleaning them up (minus the whole regeneration cop-out thing DBZ liked to do).
Also, it's not as powerful as you think. Kaioken is a multiplier of your base power and base power only, whereas Super Saiyan is a 2.5x current power multiplier that puts stress moreso on Ki, instead of stressing your muscles to the point of destruction like Kaioken x4 and up.
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>>136218571

This is from the final episode. She's obtained her last power up from the power of love, and is about to befriend and purify the big bad by punching him with love.
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>>136230592
All I can think of when seeing anything about that show is My Little Precure.
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>>136229851
>meme
Nice use of words you don't know the meaning.
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>>136224186
>This is fine.
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>>136230592
>>136230641
Which precure series is it?
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>>136230496
>Even King Kai wasn't able to use Kaioken
Because King Kai is fucking weak, the humans at this point could had surpassed Frieza's first form, the Kaoikrn could helped them help Goku with Badibi.
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>>136230650
Nice meme.
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Ok that was funny
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>>136216307
Wait for One Piece Kai :^)
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>>136230692

That one? Happiness Charge. It was a pretty well animated season overall. Highlights include this finale ep as well as this one ep in the mid-season with the first "final boss" that had a really good director.
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>>136230727
King Kai is not weak at all. He's a coward, but he isn't weak. You know the Kai of East, West, ect that were able to actually fight Buu momentarily? He's stronger than they are, hence his title. His personality is the only thing that limits him.
With that being said, you kind of neglected to speak on the topic of the villains using kaioken as a power-up.
On the point of the other Z fighters using Kaioken, it would destroy their bodies. Piccolo could use a Kaioken above x2 but none of the others could without serious repercussions.
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>>136230987
Kaio is weaker than Nappa. The Kaioshin are the ones who fought Buu.
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>>136230496
Kaio using Instant Transmission is anime only.
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You all realize that she's basically just a female Whis, and that by wanting to fuck her, you are basically wanting to fuck Whis, making you gay?
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>>136231023
Fuck, you're right. He's not much weaker than Nappa tho. I wouldn't say that is weak tho. For DBZ standards, yes, but even Chi Chi was able to use Kaioken (might have been only in the anime, although that means it still canon). That kind of goes against my whole "Kaioken is hard man" thing.

Idk, either way Kaioken fucks up your body and isn't as good as going SS, which Cell and Buu could do because muh'sorbtions
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>>136228085
I believe that Gohan will train, but he won't become Super Saiyan God.
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Wow Super's soundtrack is shit.
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>>136231109
Anime is canon for DBZ/DB
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>>136231140
Jokes on you, it's only gay if you cook him breakfast 5 days out of the week.
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>>136230273
>>136230458
We need Bulma Chi-Chi fusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tzRrZ2iik
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>>136231331
No one cares about anime canon. Anime Yamcha is stronger than Cell, remember?
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>>136231140
with nico robin seiyu it cant go wrong
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>>136210502
God, fresh was fucking awful
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>>136229535
i don't see how
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>>136231483
Anime Yamcha is stronger than Cell? I don't remember that.
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>>136231464
Why is Chima's hair blonde?
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>Gohan is back to training
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>>136216418
That same scene would look awful with today's high definition, digital animated standards. It'd need more frames.
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>>136231749
>Gohan ask Piccolo to train him
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>>136231908
Goku is way too soft and Beerus is way too extreme.
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>>136232061
Nope, it's just Toei killing two birds with one stone.
First, they're nostalgia whoring once again and secondly, Piccolo won't be enough to complete his training so he'll stay on earth while the other fighters will go to the Cell Games 2.0.
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>>136207667
wtf, even gintama parody of DBZ has better scene than this. Everything is too goofy
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>>136232438
Was it the one where they made fun of Yamcha?
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>>136231749
>>136231908
>>136232319
I won't believe shit. I am expecting in next episode Goku saying "but Gohan only studies now". Why? Because Toei lost my trust.
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>>136232554
We all know he'll be a nerd again in 10 years if he trains it'll only be for a while. And he won't become a SSG.
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>>136230981
Man, should I watch this? it looks gorgeous.
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>>136232061
>Goku is way too soft
Goku only cares about his training, in the manga or anime he has never shown training with Goten, even thought both Goten and Trunks are fucking excited with the prospective of fighting. Hell, in this episode Trunks said he wanted to cut villains in half.
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>>136224268
Why are these things still children?
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>>136232674
>he'll be a nerd again in 10 years
Because studying and training is such an alien thing to you, isn't it?
Just like watching anime and working/studying is for the world.
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>>136227341
Same style as recent Dragon Quest artwork.
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>>136207954
Holy shit that's good. Why can't Toei do that for DBS? Is Precure actually good?
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>>136232860
No but you got what I meant. It is mentioned that he stopped fighting at the end of DBZ.
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>>136207667
Aret they suppossed to be fighting at a level superior than Vegito and Majn Boo?
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>>136233104
It depends. Are you a pedophile? If the answer is yes, then Precure is fucking great. Otherwise, you won't enjoy it
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>>136233147
>It is mentioned that he stopped fighting at the end of DBZ
Where? Post manga page, and the first page of the last chapter where it is stated Gohan is a scholar doesn't deny he doesn't get stronger.
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Am I imagining it or Toei actually copy-pasted this scene?
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>>136232748
>wanted to cut villains in half
No, he literally said "If he [freeza] ressucitate again, we'll take care of him! And I'll cut him into pieces!"
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>>136233367
Same thing. This shit is happening only less than four years from the manga ending, and Trunks and Goten's love for fighting has just increased.
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>>136210844
She basically did

Mind rape but still
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>>136230902
Wow Toei is shitting on Toriyama's movie, they sure don't want to make Goku look weak
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>>136231697

Yamcha beat 2 of the guys at the Other World martial tournament at the same time, one of them was the guy that Pikkon wanted to fight who was essentially Hercules. He literally got punked in a 2 vs 1 against Yamcha and Yamcha beat the shit out of him while Pikkon 1 shot Cell.

Thus Yamcha is stronger than Piccolo, pre Ultimate Gohan, Dabura and anyone prior to Buu.
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>>136222722
>>136223903

That can't be real.

Please tell me it's not real.
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>>136229114
Holy fuck did that actually happen?

Shit I watched all of the shitty buu saga and I don't even recall a gag like that.
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>>136232554
This. I'll believe Gohan started training again when I actually see it. Character development never seems to stick in Dragonball, and the manga pretty much threw his character out of the story.
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>>136224915
>character is doing auxiliary shit outside of jobbing
>man, your character has got it good, stop whining!

Ugh.
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>Vegeta became able to go SSJG by himself unlike Goku who needed the ritual
That's the saiyan prince for you.
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>There are people in this who still believes in Toei.
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>>136229409
Yamcha was always a jobber, he was the first to go down to show how serious an enemy is.

The problem is that he doesn't have any real accomplishments and after Namek, was abandoned as a character.
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>>136237455
>M-my fav character isn't a retarded faggot who only fight with his boyfriend the prince of all bitches, what a fucking loser
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>>136237606
That inconsistency bothers me.
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>>136207667
>THEY'VE BEEN SAVING THE BUDGET FOR THIS TOURNAMENT

Oh, you naive little man.
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>>136232748
>>136233367
Do you think Toriyama actually forgot about little Brah? or do you think that Vegeta will knock up Bulma soon?
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>>136237654
>the series is about punching aliens in the face
>majority of the series is dedicated to that fact
>Only X and Y are allowed to do anything
>All other letters are to be fodder for Z to beat up and lose to X or Y
>But but but, A is rich! C is married! It's all good! It doesn't matter that As Far As The Show is Concerned They're Fucking Useless, but as long as they have shit that's meaningless to the plot and theme of the series!

Remind me why we weren't happy with GT again? Muh slice of life?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Df-pYkKxQg

All I ever wanted was for something like this to become a reality.
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>>136237856
>tfw you'll never do things to Pan
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>>136237856
This song is amazing.

Who even did this?
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>>136232748
hmmm from which episode was this?
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>>136227341
I wish he didn't suck now.
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>>136237223
The entire Gotenks vs Buu fight is a gag.
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>>136238278
He's old. He was on a weekly drawing schedule for a good portion of his life. His skills had to start deteriorating eventually.
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>>136238387
The entire Buu saga is a gag. Like there's some serious moments but that saga is the most gag heavy saga since Red Ribbon.
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>>136227341
Full Katoki
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>>136209892
he's the second best character so far

whis is no contest tho
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>>136216418
besides the not enough frames part

cel shading has a better looking palette than digital, and also it doesn't let you be a cheap fuck as easily as digital
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>>136237844
>GT
>SoL

Haha
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>>136232711

It's got some really great moments and neat ideas, but also pretty bad plot in the second half.
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I don't know what will go down in history as the bigger disappointment, Dragonball Super or the Star Was prequels. But DBS is making a strong case.
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>>136207737
Why does the purple guy look exactly like a namekian you can make in Xenoverse? Other than the lack of ears.

Something tells me he's a U6 Namekian
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>>136239042
He's saying people prefer super over GT BECAUSE of the Slice of Life.
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Dragonball ended 20 years ago

everything else you see is elaborate fanime
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>>136207917
modern toei is shit

I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand
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>>136208046
>implying he doesn't just piss himself and then forfeit like he did with supreme kai.
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>>136239738
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>>136207667
I like the tail biting reference they did

Even gave him the same stupid facial expression
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>>136229011
where was goku when frieza came to earth again and piccolo died? how good was anyone else against that?


gohan needs to be strong because goku and vegeta aren't always going to be around.
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>>136225120
You kind of got that at the beginning of Super, moments like that are really amplified after a battle arc.
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>>136216433
because it occupies a prime time slot just before one piece
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>>136210168
did toriyama sign a lifetime contract with toei or something?

he should drop them and get madhouse or mappa to make more dragonball
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>>136231140
I like how Champa orders her to do everything for him.
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>>136239898
Just ignore that guy. According to his logic, Gohan should let everyone die because even if Goku's late, they can just take life for granted since they can be wished back. Assuming the Earth doesn't get destroyed in the process. Also assuming nothing bad will ever happen to New Namek.
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>>136237838
He'll knock her up soon after that makeover she got.
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>>136216433
>any Dragon Ball series
>less than 50 episodes per fight
You're a funny one anon
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Imagine if, during Super, Frieza comes back not as a villain, but as a tenative ally much like Vegeta on Namek.

>Wants to kill Goku still
>Trains with him, hangs out with him, learns from him
>"YOU'RE JUST A STUPID MONKEY AFTER ALL!" comments
>Frieza really, REALLY wants to kill Goku every time they meet
>Gags happen, Frieza jobs every time
>Frieza becomes the new Yamcha
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>>136231140
If I was gonna go gay for anyone it'd be Whis. He's best boy.
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>>136240180
By that same logic it's only Gohan's fault. Not Buu's. Not Gotenks. Not Piccolo's. Not the androids. Just Gohan for some reason, the one guy who fights mostly for fun and small time crime.
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>>136216418
This scene looks awful. The only good thing it has is the original choregraphy taken from Toriyama's manga, but the way it was animated, with slow pauses everywhere, is just bad. It's supposed to happen very fast.
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>>136240376
I actually prefer Whis to his female counterpart. No denying the gay now.
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>>136224941
You know what made this Kamehameha even better?
Master Explorer by Tenacious D
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>>136207667
>hurrr dey saving dem budgets u guize

Dbz always looked good and everything they animate now is fucking SLOW and chunky as shit.
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>>136231464
I tried.
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>>136207667
The only thing worse than Db Super are those Linkin Park AMV's where they lip-sync Dbz characters to the lead vocals.
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>>136242826
>Dbz always looked good
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>>136237606
He lived with two gods for 6 months?
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>>136239898
>where was goku when frieza came to earth again and piccolo died?
Training, you know that thing Gohanfags want him to do, despite him wanting to be a scholar instead. If Gohan was off training then only the Earthling would have been around to stop Frieza.


>goku and vegeta aren't always going to be around.
Buu,Piccolo,18 and the rest of the Z fighters. Let Gohan focus on his dream instead training non stop for the sight chance someone stronger than Frieza shows up again to fuck with Earth.
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>>136228085
Thing is, since Super's anime is the main media, Toyotaro can't spoil too much.
He probably didnt want to go with the others in the nameless planet so he can train.
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>>136237838
>Do you think Toriyama actually forgot about little Brah?
I want her to be born soon. So she can grow up.
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>>136239440
>I don't know what will go down in history as the bigger disappointment, Dragonball Super or the Star Was prequels.
Star Wars sequels, easily.
Episode VII is shit.
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>>136207667
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
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>>136243090
Honestly, my issue with Gohan's character currently isn't that he's a scholar, that's great.

My problem with his character is that being a scholar/nerd is now his ENTIRE character. Why can't he do other stuff?

What kind of boring jackass does only one thing every waking hour of their life?

When Goku was being forced to work as a Farmer he still trained when he had the time. Though the fact that Goku does nothing but train most of the time is a similar issue, I kind of wish that Toriyama knew how to write characters that were deeper and less one-note.

Does he know that people generally tend to have hobbies and activities outside of their day job? Because every character in DBS seems to do one thing and one thing only, every hour, of every day, all the time.

I mean jesus fucking christ, is it that much to ask for Gohan to work out a little in the afternoon after work, a least just enough to hold on to his previous strength? What the hell does he do when he's not studying, watch anime on the couch?
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>>136212664
So you've got Vegeta, Frieza, an android, Cell, and Buu there?

That's just a redesign of all the baddies they faced
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>planet blew up
>18 doesn't need to breathe and won't have an issue survivng the explosion
>Buu probably didn't even wake up
>Vegeta sure as fuck wouldn't have an issue surviving it and could just lock onto Beerus' God Ki and get to that bubble in milliseconds

Yeah alright the children, Pan, Satan, etc. probably died but
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>>136243509
>Vegeta
>Doing the smart thing
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>>136243489
Reaching pretty hard there senpai
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>>136243633
>Vegeta
>Doing the smart thing
As in opposition to whom? Goku?
Vegeta has always been the mind of the group, he and Piccolo. Vegeta is strategy and Piccolo is leadership.
Even Roshi and Bulma are more useful than Goku when thinking is required.
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>>136243779
If Vegeta had that kind of thought capacity and reaction time he wouldn't have let Frieza fucking blow up the planet in the first place
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Just a reminder: it could have been worse. It could always have been worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJFCSJ9MRcw
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>>136243489
>That's just a redesign of all the baddies they faced
All but Piccoro.
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>>136240369
>Frieza becomes the new Yamcha
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>>136243839
Nobody could. Well, maybe Beerus.
The thing is, Freezer did this same thing to Goku back in Namek, Goku had serveral episodes to kill Freezer and didn't do it, what's more, he lost.
IIRC Vegeta was dead at that point and didn't knew about Freezer's tactic about blowing up planets as a last resort.
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>>136228889
Piccolo vs 17 will always be my favorite fight, Hellzone Grenade is such a cool move
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>>136241886
if whis have another hairstyle him would be a good femboy.
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>>136208046
It will be anon.
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>>136232748
Oh, really? So, what is this scene? Moron...
Toei put that line of Trunks for the only purpouse of making you laugh, quoting his future versione, who already cuts in half Mecha Freezer
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Ebin battle of gods, so intense, so intimidating.
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>>136244555
Calm down, wait for them to animate this >>136209213
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>>136207737
Toei better deliver.
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>>136244731
seems good so far >>136244555
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What does this expression convey?
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>>136209503
Goku is now the drill that pierces through heaven
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>>136244839
She wants the dat fat cat ass.
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>>136244818
>a single still image
Doesn't tell me much.
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>>136207667
>SAVING
>>136207737
>real
Kek
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>>136244551
He was forcing Goten to train right before the Budokai. It's pretty obvious they weren't training like that beforehand, and in Super we saw Goku asking Goten to handle his job while then Goku went to train by himself.
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>>136245080
Dozo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bndLJnDWS80
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>>136243489
>>136243886
The purple guy looks much more like Piccolo than Cell to me. Heck his face marking and that head crest are even from the DB Online/Xenoverse Nameks.
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>>136229011
>>136243090

Gohan says in this episode that he's going back to training and then at the end tells that to Piccolo and asks him to train him again, and Piccolo agrees.
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Does anyone know who animated this?
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>>136228085
There was the line about him having the highest potential, and he's the only character not in the tournament at all so far. We're also getting a full chapter for the written exam, even though the manga has to rush to stay ahead of the anime. There are several signals that Gohan is going to be relevant there.

Goku probably doesn't know about Gohan training since he was doing it with Piccolo (and the scenes where Goku complains about Gohan not training are all when Piccolo isn't around).
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>>136245183
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>>136245183
Looks good, hopefully they can keep the characters on model like this and improve the pacing.
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>>136245183
>fight between two Gods
>bitchy slapfight with some static on the ground below them

They really don't give a fuck anymore do they?
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>>136245534
>looks good

You've got to be joking.
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>>136243779
Giving Cell the chance to achieve Perfection isn't the smartest thing
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>>136245243
Hope that's just Toei filler.
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>>136245831
Vegeta's fatal flaw has always been his pride. He's pretty cerebral when he's calm.
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>>136208913
New visuals at best, since GT only had one OP
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>>136210993
Just watch the fucking movies and pick this up starting next week
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>>136244839

Will Whis and Vados be related to Towa?
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>>136246459
Now that you mention it, they do look quite similar.
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>>136246504
Towa is dabra's sister
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>>136246459
>>136246504
No, because Whis and Vados are canon, Towa is not.
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Why can't they just treat Dragon Ball with respect anymore? Seriously, fucking why? I'm getting sick of this now.

Dragon Ball wasn't some shitty toy selling comic. It was a genuinely thrilling epic with memorable characters, serious moments, and a strong theme of ''defining strength'' throughout. Not many series can boast such a remarkable change in tone from it's early chapters to it's later ones, and yet Dragon Ball ran long enough to see villains capable of blowing up planets, and it still persevered and never lost it's quality.

Characters grew, problems came up, and while the fights got ridiculous, Toriyama knew this, and crafted some great plot points around the stupidity. Every character became an icon, and the anime adaption, despite the dodgy dubs, only sealed the deal.

Now what do we have? Some poorly animated, cash cow trash.

GT was excusable because back then, Dragon Ball was too valuable a franchise to waste, and they needed some form of continuing the brand name. It was a short series compared to Z, too. Just a little mini cash-in to make money.

Super? Toei had 19 fucking years to pre-plan this series. 19 years that could have been spent gathering some respected, trustworthy directors with great works behind their name. Some real animators. But no.

Granted, I have a soft spot for the new films. They're fun, they're well written, and despite the CGI neither of them slip behind the 7/10 mark.

But this could have been so much better.

Think about it, what made Z so worthwhile and money making? It's quality. No, it wasn't amazingly animated, but it had a consistent amount of care and effort. And IT PAYED OFF. 19 YEARS LATER, GOKU IS STILL MAKING MILLIONS BY FACE ALONE.

They have the time, they have the money, and they have Toriyama himself working on it. Why can't they just give us something great? If Z made so much because of it was fucking GOOD, then why don't they make Super GOOD? WHY CAN'T THEY UNDERSTAND THAT GOOD THINGS MAKE MORE MONEY.
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>>136246816
They are Precurefags. Even One Piece is treated like shit.
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>>136247431
All I care about is cute gorls doing cute thongs. K-on is brainwashing.
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>>136247431

More like Wan Piss, amrite?
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>>136246816
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What I don't get is, what good can Piccolo do to Gohan as a teacher at this point, when Gohan is clearly much stronger than him even in his weakened condition?
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>>136247755

Eye beams and mouth lasers
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>>136247755
The teacher doesn't necessarily have to be stronger than the student; the teacher needs a deep basin of knowledge, discipline, and all that other technical stuff in order to be effective in honing the skills of another. Just for example, the supreme kai was undoubtedly inferior to Gohan in terms of strength and yet he still possessed the means to unlock Gohan's full potential.
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>>136247755
Your problem is that you're still expecting the story to make sense. This is anime original, all bets are off.
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>>136248025
That's true. I just have my doubts about it. I'd love for Gohan to be strong and relevant again, but this is Toei and Toriyama.
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>>136237004

Nope. In DBZ logic the villains are SUPER SUPER weak when they have their shit bodies in Hell.
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Toriyama will never let Gohan get shine again because Goku is cash cow and make a lot of money. See Buu saga arc. What a terrible writing
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>>136237838

Vegeta will get beaten in the tournament and then Bulma can take advantage of his weak body.
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>>136248205
I'm still half expecting this to be some big setup for a sharp reversal in the dynamics of his character, but that's really just a shot in the dark.
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God Gohanfags are pathetic.
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>Gohan acknowleges that he needs to be stronger
>ask to be trained by Piccolo instead of Whis

What the fuck? The only way this is gonna work is if the reveal that Piccolo is the one that got stronger, pretty much like Tagoma.
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>>136249060
Feels like they're aiming for as many parallels with Z as they can so that they can keep the nostalgia train running.
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>>136249060
Well, Piccolo's kami side used to be a god, maybe after watching Goku and Vegeta he figures out how to use God Ki too.
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>everyone mourning their loved ones
>Ten Shin Han doesn't give a fuck about Chaoz nor Lunch
And they say that guy is human.
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>>136251565
He's the only one using his head. Why cry if the dragon balls can fix it? It's not even the first time the earth is destroyed.
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>>136207954
is this going to get posted every fucking time we have this thread?
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>>136245660

Manga did it better.
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>>136209213
>>136244620

What makes you think they are going to animate that? They did many things differently than the manga.

I'm 100% sure they will leave it out.
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>>136251565

Tien already lost Chaotzu before. He did the regret thing TWICE already. He also doesn't give a fuck about Lunch because she's just a creepy ass stalker.

He's also always been the most straight minded guy in the series. He is the enlightened buddha to Goku's Monkey King. He doesn't need emotion.
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