I honestly can't imagine a better character progression for anyone in recent anime as good as his, no retarded MUH BELIEFS and MUH ANGELS even when he was face to face with one, he thought for himself instead of being a mindless sheep, damn i need to get blu-ray maria
It pains me to tell you this, but pic related was a masterly written antagonist.
Can only agree, the dolls made the show for me, liked them more than the main cast.
I as well.
Rest in peace Garie, Micha, and the two other sluts.
I fuckin love Medusa.
It is quite ironic that manga and anime both went to shit
with her death.
Is this a bait or you just dumb?
Pretty much this. Whenever the antagonist loses, they have this "defeated face". This guy always smile, so even if he's actually already fucked up by protagonist, he still be the best.
he was a great antagonist but just what was his motive?
To spread chaos so the other guy with the prosthetic legs(with the blue hair) doesn't get his way, or because he wanted to make things interesting for himself for the hell of it because living above ground was too boring?
What do you like better, /a/? Villains that have complex motives that make you almost sympathize with them, or villains that are so rotten that they make you root for their demise?
Pic related, the best thing about WIXOSS was this little skank because everyone wanted her fucking dead.
You know why I came here.
He was easily the most casual villain.
No grand scheme, no revenge plot, he jyst wants to live a quiet life.
Not to mention best Stand.
Passivity was on the surface. He came down to Lux to find that people were STILL being passive and wanted them to stand up and do something. Eventually, a revolution would occur and destroy the Class.
was there a single bad antagonist in samflam?
were there any antagonists to begin with? not counting the umbrella thief
why did he kill the prostitute, it felt as though he genuinely cared for her, was it because she wasn't alive enough, to end her future suffering early on, sociopathy, or he would fine her a hindrance in his movement later on
he's entertaining and iconic in the Jojo universe but part 3 Dio is just some shitty villain hiding in some fancy mansion and send one person after the Joestar group
Part 1 Dio is miles better as an antagonist because he does so much more
I keep seeing this argument and i can't stand it (get it) because it makes no sense.
Part 1 Dio was young, brash, just started doing his thing and had a very personal relationship with the protagonist so obviously he was gonna have more screentime.
Part 3 DIO, on the other hand, is a mature, experienced and seasoned Dio, who is also a completely different kind of villain for Jotaro.
In part 1, Dio was Jonathan's rival.
In part 3, DIO was the ancient evil that killed Jotaro's ancestors, he was fighting a very much uphill battle and wasn't in any way on equal footing with Dio (in regards to relations) like Jonathan was. In this case, it was a completely different journey, a journey to face his destiny and finish Jonathan's legacy. Part 3 DIO is a perfect final villain for the Dio/Joestar saga.
His arc is the first season so if you decide to, just watch that.
The second season's antagonist isn't nearly as compelling, but if you're still interested in the world I'd recommend it. Sage for offtopic and /co/.
All of them I've had difficulty hating.
King Torture was best written though.
Doesn't make him interesting
I understand your argument but for that same reason I prefer part 1 Dio since he still goes through more development.
Especially at the very end when he realizes the strong complex rivalry and affection he has towards Jonathan
Part 3 Dio also for that same reason is just less interesting, less room for growth. I'd compare part 3 Dio with fucking Kars >>136209109 when it comes to showing personality.
Kira, as far as I read, comes out as the best Jojo antagonist the same reason I liked Dio part 1, a lot of exposure and have dynamic personalities that show
He's pretty damn likeable at least.
But I can't decide whether he's 10/10, because half the time he's being badass and half the time he's getting BTFO.
I like both.
But overall, I prefer villains that most people think are actually heroes and saviours, lik epic related.
He's an amazing antagonist because he was justified in every action he took and is making the world a better place. There's really no reason at all why Yona opposes him. If she really cared about her country she would leave it in his far more capable hands.
>Report Griffith posters
Hmm, i understand your reasons.
Well, as anon pointed out>>136208752
in part 6 we get a good look at DIO when he's not killing Joestars and co. It becomes apparent that the entertaining insanity, bloodlust and arrogance he displays in part 3's finale was his ''combat mode'' personality, while in actuallity he was part 1 DIO with a shitton more experience and knowledge, all of his daddy issues and complexes resolved, and a very deep, philosophical personality. Shit, i'd go as far to say that he was very wise.
A real antagonist tricks you into thinking he isn't the antagonist.
I know you're baiting because he was the protagonist, but if you really applied yourself you would say Mello
I say Mello as a bait response because he was actually pretty good, arguably as interesting as L and a better foil to L as his methods were even more radical and unorthodox than L's but people would still shit on him because he isn't L.
Near is far too easy and obvious for bait since he is regarded as the worst by everyone
I like how him was trying so hard to be a good guy, but threw everything out of the window after lose his waifairy
Keep on trying guys, I'm already ahead of all of you
Well of course,
he is my husbando after all
It's like the character was tailor made for me. Everything, his looks, his voice, the fact that he's a vampire (but one of the VERY few vampires who is absolutely not defined by the fact that he's a vampire, he's Dio first and foremost and even if he lost his vampirism he'd still be just as awesome), his powers, his fashion sense, the fact that despite his vast power and intellect he is still a very flawed individual and those flaws come to bite him in the ass, his ambition and willpower, and maybe most importantly, the fact that he literally rose from nothing (a poor orphan) and obtained godlike power, all of that forms the perfect character for my tastes.
The worst thing is, i want him to win, but i don't want it to be at the expense of Joestars (all of whom i also greatly admire), so i'm fucked no matter what happens. Also, no matter how much i love DIO, i never forgave him for Jonathan. Never.
Great taste, I find annoying how most people dismiss him as a generic villain.
Did you read Over Heaven? Even if it isn't canon I really liked it, I think it portrays Dio very well.
He was a horrible ruler who brought poverty and weakness to his kingdom. If Su Won didn't do what he did then their country would without a doubt have been invaded and destroyed.
Moreover Su Won goes from place to place solving all of the nations problems and making everyone happy. He's only the antagonist because he murdered Yona's father to take power.
Is there a picture like this for heroes? If not what should be the tiers?
Yea, a great villain isn't defined by edgy shit like
>muh higher causes
A great villain is defined by
>his ability to entertain, intrigue or otherwise get the readers full attention
>threat level to the protagonists
>impact on the story
>validity of his goals and how those goals go with the character we were presented
And DIO fucking nailed all of those. It's the same reason why Frieza shits on most, if not all HST villains despite being a ''generic overlord/tyrant''.
Sorry to say i didn't like Over Heaven, particularly the stuff about DIO respecting his father more then he did his mother. In the manga, the only time we ever see Dio cry out of sadness is when his father makes him sell his mothers' dress. His mother was the only person he ever loved (and maybe still does), and one of the reasons he killed his father for is that.
>Reluctant villains who only do evil things because of the situation they find themselves in
>Mfw there are people who actually believe this
I don't think he was a bad king. But considering the most recent arc
where Yona and company protect the small town from loser's rage, the author is clearly setting up a 'defense' for the Yona's father.
I haven't seen the raws, but I suspect soon enough we will have a flashback that shows us the reasons behind his extreme pacifism. Not sure it will be enough to justify his actions.
>causes are the only thing that determine how good is the villain
You are the cancer that's killing fiction. Frieza is a better villain then everyone in your post combined except maybe Griffith.
That depends on what level of fate decided the whole event anyway. If the idea of evil really chose Griffith to be a godhand it's out of his hands, but the raping of Casca was pretty unneeded.
That's not the point senpai. He sacrificed an entire horde of people who looked up to him, respected him as their leader and genuinly admired him just so he could get more powerful. He's thoroughly rotten to the core.
I think that part tries to say Dio forced himself to like his father to be shielded from the cruelty of the world (kek), he thought his mother was weak because he was too kind for her own good and he wasn't in the wrong. But he still loved her deeply, after all he chose the lullaby his mother used to sing him as the key to obtain heaven.
>he chose the lullaby his mother used to sing him as the key to obtain heaven
I think that's probably my favorite thing in a long time. Also very nice interpretation anon, i just might give it another go because of you.
Not this shit again. Griffith always made pretty clear that his first and foremost priority was his dream, the band knew this very well and was ready to die for him. That being said Griffith was even nice to them because he's not the monster you make him out to be. He no choise but tosacrifice them. Anyone would have done the same in his place.
How much CG is in the show. I immediately dropped the first episode of s1 because of CG but ive been tricked into watching shows with CG and if its mild Ive tolerated it.
Would you say theres more cg than antimagic academy
> Anyone would have done the same in his place
This desu. Can anyone HONESTLY say that they wouldn't have done what he did in his situation?
Though, the fact that he was the one who got himself there in the first place remains.
>Griffith always made pretty clear that his first and foremost priority was his dream
That much is true.
>the band knew this very well and was ready to die for him
There is a difference between dying on the field of battle when you work towards a goal, and being sacrificed to a hoard of demons with no chance to survive, safe by sheer luck or based skull knight interference.
>That being said Griffith was even nice to them because he's not the monster you make him out to be.
Yes, anon, he is. He is quite literally a monster, in every sense of the word. He is in fact a king of monsters.
>He no choise but tosacrifice them.
He could have not lost his shit when Guts left the hawks and could have not fucked princess Charlotte and get tortured to near-death for it.
>Anyone would have done the same in his place
The Griffith Internet Defense Force is truly beyond sanity
I think my favorite part of SamFlam was the end arc where everyone was posting outthere theories and trying to decide whether or not Masayoshi was crazy or not.
>being sacrificed to a hoard of demons with no chance to survive, safe by sheer luck or based skull knight interference
Don't forget being sentenced to hell afterwards. Anyone in Berserk who has any contact with demons gets a one-way ticket to hell.
>He could have not lost his shit when Guts left the hawks and could have not fucked princess Charlotte and get tortured to near-death for it
If anything the fact the he fucked up shows he has emotions. After shit happened he had no choise.
>There is a difference between dying on the field of battle when you work towards a goal, and being sacrificed to a hoard of demons with no chance to survive, safe by sheer luck or based skull knight interference.
They were mercenaries, they killed on daily basis for a living, there is no goal. The only reason they had yet to die was Griffith ability as a commander.
>The Griffith Internet Defense Force is truly beyond sanity
It's a matter of understanding the character, I don't excuse Griffith's actions but it's really easy to see why he acted that way. And we both know you would have done the same in his position.
Wolfram goes into shit tier by this picture, but I found him extremely amusing precisely because of how pure evil with classy mannerisms he was. The manga lost its spark with him gone.
I really liked this guy.
Everyone was expecting him to be an apostle anyways, so it's not like the sudden transformation was jarring or unexpected. Frankly I'm glad he got more than just wings and fire breath going for him.
>If anything the fact the he fucked up shows he has emotions.
No shit he does? Should have learned to control them instead of being a whiney, impulsive bitch then.
>After shit happened he had no choise.
Does that make his actions any less evil and despicable? He literally shat on all his comrades and condemned them to hell for utterly selfish reasons.
>They were mercenaries, they killed on daily basis for a living, there is no goal. The only reason they had yet to die was Griffith ability as a commander
Anon, all of those people were warriors at heart, and they flocked to Griffith because he was a great leader. As a merc, a great leader who is building, or has built, himself a great reputation means cash and relative security. They all arguably had their own goals; some of them did it for fame, some 'just' to earn a living, others because they wanted to be with Griffith while he was fulfilling his dream. None of those reasons compute with "they were ready to die for him anyway, might as well sacrifice them to demons and send their souls to hell". There was a selfish reason behind everyone that joined the hawks, that is just human nature, and you made it sound like they were willing to become his stepping stones, only to be discarded later, absolutely selflessly. That is simply wrong.
>It's a matter of understanding the character, I don't excuse Griffith's actions but it's really easy to see why he acted that way. And we both know you would have done the same in his position.
I understand his position and maybe I would have done the same, but that doesn't render him any less of an despicable asshole.
No. He was pure evil even then. Being good and Evil is determined by deeds. He might have THOUGHT he was doing good for all those people he horribly tortured and executed, but that doesn't make his actions any less evil and wrong.
I did not mean good in the moral sense of the word, I mean it as in a well-done antagonist. And this is just a matter of personal preference, but I didn't like his post-angel form. The angel form just seemed more in tune with his character, being a staunch and fanatic believer.
Hated this delusional bitch so much, and she got almost scot-free for everything she did.
Literally, worst than Hitler.
Open at your own risk.
>Can anyone HONESTLY say that they wouldn't have done what he did in his situation?
i wouldn't if guts would have just coughed up the magic-fix-your-fucking-everything pixie dust and i got better instead of leaving my only option to kill everyone
I want /v/ to leave
Also he's a shitty antagonist. The game should have ended after Jetstream Sam. He's like Solidus if Solidus was a whiny ugly bitch. He was also wrong while Solidus was right
>dude from Texchnolize
I loved him, complex guy and antagonist but he had no motives other than to entertain himself
that was the point of him, no main motive other than living the fullest by making a spectacle
Best antagonist delivers the best fight in the franchise.
>With this we can rule over the world!
>No, no, Baker-chan, that's troublesome and unnecessary.
>I just want to live a comfortable rich life.
Yeah, but he's not really a villan.
pic related is one of my favorites.
Hao from Shaman King was basically everything a villain needed to be in that series. He always remained calm and collected, much like Yoh, and he was not just a villain, but practically a force of nature. He constantly maintained full control of everything.
Also he survived space lazers, not many people can say that for themselves.
The only thing I recall was that someone tried to snuff him out by trapping him in a cube or smth only to suffocate themselves.
That and giant anime swords even by giant anime sword standards.
What else he do?
Literally the second best goddamn character in the manga.
The most overpowered villain in comparisson to his series in all of manga. He even beat Yujiro out. Speaking of which...
Why the fuck wouldn't he be? He's a goddamn goofy loser who manages to get by through sheer grit and anger until he finally develops into the scariest man in Korea, it's amazing.
Goes from lame to top tier villain since after about 200 episode and up, past couple episodes made him 10/10
I think that might have only been in the anime, I'm not sure. But I know in the manga it was space lasers. He also had some kind of ultimate offense/defense over soul on top of his immensely strong spirit power.
Reinhard is the protagonist, Yang Wenli is arguably the antagonist, but it is more accurate to say they can both be the protagonist depending on which point of view you prefer.
This thread needs more FRESH
Agreed Kirei is one of my favorites and HF just made him so likable. Plus his Daughter is best girl in HA.
I think that there are us 3 or 4 Carenfags that end up meeting each other in every thread where Fate is mentioned
shit tier villain
only reason he had any power was familial connections, and as soon as his little band of simulator-trained soldiers went out into real combat they started dropped like flies
then the faggot digs up a superweapon and immediately loses it, dying in the process, and rendering a chunk of real estate on earth uninhabitable until the end of time
turn a is still the best gundam though
Do you have the full page of this?
Also why is he so obsessed with Fresh?
I mean I know Medaka is all about a fuckton of abilities having names and shit, but I'm curious.
She is literally the whore of Babylon.
He was still fun though
he only lost because Loran a best
That is not true
She may be a whore
But she is MY whore
Pic related: the true whore of Babylon
She clearly stated that she fucked anyone who asked,
Just power/evil may be cartooney evil but it's still a suitable motivator. Some people just want to fucking control everything for their own agenda.
I think the issue is how it's presented and executed. It really comes down to the characters charisma when being incredibly selfish and power hungry.
>literally no motivation
>out-of-ass regeneration abilities
>no connection to any of the main characters
Cell might have been "cool", by no way he was a great villain. Frieza was easily the best DBZ villain.
I kind of agree. But not because he was a bad character then, or that his transformation was unnecesary. Rather just because of the way it was executed. It was shoenen tier compared to the rest of the arc.
There's a difference between being a Griffith apollogist and recognising how great of a villain he is. He is literally the antichrist of the story. Everybody sees him as a savior, and not without a good reason, too, but only so few know about the evil deeds he's done.
It was clear that his priority was his dream, but he never intended to let them just die. He had risked his life for Guts a couple of times, although he could have realised his dream without him. He even sold himself to the noble after the young boy with the knight toy died in battle, so that he could lower the number of casualities. If during the eclipse his body wasn't broken beyon any chance of recovering, he wouldn't have done it. He wasn't a monster, no matter how determined he seemed.
>i don't excuse Griffith's actions but it's really easy to see why he acted that way. And we both know you would have done the same in his position
What he did was evil, and is inexcusable, but I can easily see why he'd do that, and can't say for sure I wouldn't have don't the same.
Fuck off, Shit Suckass Yaoi faggots. That garbage is a travesty to the speculative science fiction genre. You only finished it because the boys started kissing boys and girls started kissing girls.
Well, in the end Mozgus did nothing wrong and was right all along. Had they killed Guts and Caska, the demons would have gone away, thus all the people gathered there would be saved. Besides, his belief was harsh, but I can't halp but respect, or perhaps envy such a strong faith in anything, especially that he had genuinely good intentions.
Also, that part when his dead body kept the ghosts away from people was great.
>magic-fix-your-fucking-everything pixie dust
It may stop bleeding almost instantly, but it won't give you back your tongue and all the muscles and tendrons that were cut from your body. He was far beyond any hope for recovery.
Perhaps I would have done the same if it was for all this "damning all the souls for eternal hell in the vortex of souls".
or maye still would have done it. It ws evil either way
Here you go. About the whole FRESH thing though, Iihiko is a metaphor for the reader, AKA you.
Blade of the Immortal doesn't get nearly enough love
This guy did some fucked up shit but honestly, even though he isn't trenchcoat-and-scar tier like Gouda was, Yakushima actually got very very fucking close to taking down Section 9 completely.I would say he was a better villain, really. Gouda's scheme was much more grandiose but you don't really see realistic villains like Yakushima. And let's be honest, even if Gouda was the conductor, the really ridiculous bullshit that went down was more thanks to Kuze than anyone.
>in a show where a kid gets his head clubbed off every episode
Erika is far more dynamic and interesting villain. She goes from overpowered bully to struggling evil underdog to an intimidating anti-villain.
Bern is just a cunt throwing a temper tantrum.
That's a good line, but even without that there's a lot of little nuances. Remember that witches in general and Rika in particular is supposed to be the greatest actor. It's all really speculation, but what convinced me was Bern's character song lyrics. Bernkastel is a very mysterious, probably often misunderstood character.
Did you read the last secret teaparty? I don't know what you're talking about.
There are definitely a lot more little nuances to suggest her true character than just that line, but that line is probably the most direct one to suggest shes not just pure evil.
Probably Kumagawa for me, but since he was already mentioned, I'd have to say most antagonists in Vagabond except for Kojirou. The Yoshioka's story was just heartwrenching. Isshun and Tsujikaze were pretty based too.
I read it all friend, I don't know why you dismiss the entire series of dialogue because she declared wearily how she didn't like playing the role she was dealt. She did the things she did because she wanted to win, but Erika already deduced that her attempts to play these games to escape her boredom was all the result of her being a coward running away from her past (episode 5 when she was talking to Lambda when Battler was speared).
His time with us was short, but he'll be in our hearts forever.
I really enjoyed the first Garo than the current airing one. I hate how they went out of their way to insert " muh samurai culture " in a show about knights.
I'm not dismissing her actions, I'm saying there is enough for more to believe that she has deeper motives. Bern wanted to win no matter what you're right, but what did she want to win? Who did she have to defeat? The base reasoning is defeating the golden witch to fight boredom, right? I'm saying there are reasons beyond that.
Reasons like reviving an old friend by starring in a play amusing enough to involve her, and helping Ange confront reality.Pure speculation on my part.
I know what you're talking about in regards to episode 5, when Bern regales her past. But I don't remember Erika ever disrespecting or doubting her. She remained loyal and in love until the very last scene of the end.
I had a much fun ride with the last GARO anime series.
>European Middle Ages that fit the knight concept
>Each Horror story is actually decent written
>Based MC father
>Cucking the gold armor
Nevermind it was in episode 6 right before the wedding. Basically it was when she came to her conclusion that Lambda and Bern were both less impressive than her because neither had faced off with hard undeniable truth, whereas she had. I need to reread this series at some point to refresh my memory.
Its just so fun to watch a villain who is legit crazy who loses his shit and makes faces everytime he appears
Huh, I didn't remember that line. I'm just trying to take "look for the heart" to the extreme, because I loved Rika and don't think Bern in umineko is as shallow as people think.
If you reread you might want to consider using the new sprites and voices. It's a strangely different experience, but not in a bad way.
>muh samurai culture " in a show about knights.
The actual live action show takes place in Japan. There has to be a reason how the armor was passed down to there. Besides, that's the least of its crimes.
The bigger crime is that it's a shitty anime with budget issues and bland characters compared to the last anime
10/10 in that you want to punch him in the face through the tv screen.
There are other more resourceful and cool badguys out there, but few of them are as easy to hate as this asshole.
It's a shame how few people know of this masterpiece. It influenced me a lot when I was young, probably wouldn't be the same person if I hadn't read it when I did. its not perfect, of course, but what is? Generic fanservice titty physics?
The newer one (Guren no Tsuki) is filled with QUALITY and poor directing save for a few episodes. Even the CGI got worse, the whole thing smells of a rush job.
Honoo no Kokuin is a solid action series, though. At first the angsty MC turned me off a bit, but he does get better after he hits his absolute rock bottom.
Maybe it's just the nostalgia goggles, but it kinda reminds me of an epic poem. The transition of Nausicaä from a naive but pure-intentioned child to the Messiah was handling incredibly well. However, All the magic bullshit kind of invalidates it's argument about nature.
But I agree with you entirely. Itll probably never happen, but if I ever manage to finish a novel between classes I'll definitely reference it a lot. It's a huge inspiration to me, not just in terms of writing but in how I treat people and approach life.
You mean Park? Honestly I haven't been reading since Ken and his GF got on the island, but I always assumed he'd turn out to be a villain or some shit, they really built up to it a lot.
>literally no motivation
I suppose making a martial art tournament to prove his superiority wasn't a motivation...
in what does that make him bad? It's not like he was immortal
>no connection to any of the main character
you realize he is LITERALLY made by other's DNA. And why does a bad guy should absolutly have any connection with the main character in the first place?
>And why does a bad guy should absolutly have any connection with the main character in the first place?
1. Thats basic story telling and makes for a more interesting dynamic between the two characters?
2. Learn English
The only genuinely creepy villain in the series. Loses points when he goes bishonen mode.
>when your antagonist is good enough to get his own spin-off
Show me another antagonist who runs 100% on the rage of getting NTR'd.
They made Aizen so powerful and one step ahead of absolutely everyone that it's just boring. I never made it past the hueco mundo arc where it was still entertaining, but whenever it seemed like he would fight it felt tensionless because you knew he would be carried through whatever the conflict was by just smiling smugly.