I have recently rewatched Madoka and watched Rebellion for the first time. I've been avoiding Madoka threads before then, but I had noticed a theme about Homura doing something wrong.
What/how did she do wrong? It looks to me like she got her good end (even if it was a bit dramatic).
Congrats. You got the ending. Now wait for the sequel and avoid the autism.
I don't think Homu really did anything wrong. In the last scene before the credits start every character looks happy. Homu may have been rough in her methods but it seems like it worked. We don't know the long term consequences though.
But, more importantly, you used a picture of Nagisa. You know what that means, right? This is now a Nagisa thread.
Oh, and something I didn't quite get. Oktavia and Sayaka are independent, but Charlotte and Nagisa are not?
She is best girl in the making.
I guess I could post some Nagisa, too
I like seeing her having fun with Mami. It is good that they have each other as friends.
>It looks to me like she got her good end
Well, that is undeniably true given that it is pretty much what Urobuchi has to say on the state of things as of Rebellion's ending. Now if you want to know about any wrongdoing on Homura's part you would have to look into the path she followed until she got there and mull over every single individual action she ever took part in.
Like I said, I rewatched first. She was certainly unlucky and underwent some psyche-tearing trial and error to get their. I might say that revealing the existence of witches in a prior universe to the incubators was wrong, but it was also a part of her plan to get Madoka back? And the incubators are kind of her bitch, now.
Implications: the image
I believe that was a mistake on her end, not intentional. Kyubey seemed to take on a new leaf, and if Homura was trying to "move on" from the series, trusting Kyubey wouldn't have been a bad gesture. She was also Mami-tier lonely.
Had the flower garden conversation not happen, I think she would have laid down and died. It was when the one thing she clung to was "proven" wrong, she wasn't able to turn back.
I viewed "I finally caught you" as more likely her mental deterioration at that point, not so much she had some grand scheme. I think that would be too much for me as a viewer to believe especially because we're given no indication she is in control. It also makes her lean too far villain, rather than ambiguous state intended.
But the bit at the end of Eternal had her all grinning and keikaku, and it looked like she was forming her labyrinth.
Only sometimes. In this case it works out.
I think Nagisa is too young for such things.
Dont want to sound like a creeper, but am I the only expecting a middle school god and devil to kiss next movie? Or at least luminous?
Mami doesn't seem to think so
It's all about creepy, elaborate ballet foreplay now.
Damn, they have attained a new level of lewd
No that must be a mistake. Mami would never do such things, r-right?
Of course not
Well that is good to hear. Those pictures must just be silly mistakes then.
Mami please go
>Sayaka goes witch after just a handful of battles
>Homu uses enough magic to timestop herself a small nation's worth of military hardware and is completely fine
Sayaka's soul gem's corruption was greatly accelerated by her hatred of Hitomi and her despair over not being able to fug violinboy. She wouldn't have gone witch so fast if she wasn't depressed as fuck on addition of using her magic. Also, if he wasn't depressed she would have fought strategically instead of burning her regeneration magic by letting herself be hit by witches.
I don't think violinfag/hitomi is what was really tore her up. She could have done something, Hitomi even gave her a full day.
Especially with all that red/blue service in the oktavia fight and again in rebellion.
>>Hitomi even gave her a full day
Which she spent angsting and thinking about she couldn't ever be with violinboy because she was a lich. I don't think that Blue really realized how much she wanted to mix with Red until after she died, which implies that red/Blue wasn't a thing in the last pre-madokami timeline and not a factor in her fall to witchdom.
I'm not usually one for crack pairings and shipping, but come on, Rebellion was VERY blatant about it, the Yuri subtext is definitely intentional.
I wonder if Kyoko tastes like apples? I bet Sayaka knows.
Speaking of Wraith Arc, I haven't read it yet (planning to do so in one go once it's available in its entirety) and only know of bits and pieces from spoilers such as wraiths sucking up emotions from magical girls and shit, and Homura having been striked down by them. What I want to know is, how likely is my prediction that Homura losing emotions/memories/whatever it was to the wraiths and then regaining it from them later (it's gotta happen if it's going to stick to the main canon because she also lost the ribbons to them) is what causes her to doubt her memories of Madoka sometime before Rebellion?
>there a mango in between madoka and rebellion now
I have been living under a rock.
Which is lewder, boob gem window or belly gem window?
Almost forgot about that
>apple and the blue baka living together
Sayaka's problem is that she wasn't using grief seeds, silly. Does no one pay attention?
She obviously had more than one problem, but anyone will turn into a witch if they simply aren't replenishing their soul gems.
Because she's a baka.
Homura has low to average magic potential. She just has a really OP ability and had 10~ years to master it. Outside of time stop or recovering, she never really has to use magic.
It's never implied that it does. You can't make assumptions about this kind of thing when there are no rules given for it. Rewinding is most likely free since it's her wish, and her soul gem looks fine when she wakes up in the hospital. And she generally seems pretty casual about spending however long she needs in timestop. So either her power is fairly efficient, or she has a fuckton of grief seeds stockpiled.
Did witches exist before incubators interfered with earth?
I always liked the idea that wraiths were there at first, but witches were a superior grief-predator so they died out. Hence why wraiths are around once the witches are all erased.
It's not clear. My personal pet theory is that when she resets time, she cleanses her soul gem for the new timeline, but the grief accumulates outside of time or something like that, and then the accumulated grief of hundreds of timelines being unleashed in Rebellion is what made Homullilly so powerful and ultimately allowed her to turn into the demon goddess thing.
I really like that theory.
There's another movie on the way, Hitomi. Another chance for you to make a contract. Another chance for you to catch the bug.
Your time is coming.
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Homulilly never existed. That was in the dream. Homura and Homura herself broke Madokami, not a witch. That'd be an easy cop out for her, even kf she "did nothing wrong." . She used half of the karmic threads that bonded her to Madoka and probably could only do that because of their bond.
>kyubey needs a wish to set the universe against homura
>hitomi steps up
>hardgay versus straightest arrow
>introducing newgirl temptress opposite hitoma
Not necessary one to dethrone Homura, but one that threatens the life of people related to Madoka.
The only world that Homura accepts is one where Madoka life peacefully.
Although the extension of Homura's powers is unknown. If she can rewind time or even null wishes, then there's not much to worry about.
EW YUCK NO
Hey, I'm just posting witches
Seeing this I wonder, despite her card saying she does, Kriemhild Gretchen doesn't seem to have a barrier, and also she doesn't look like a fucked up version of drawing from a gin ad. Maybe it's because we never really get a glimpse at a "fully developed" Gretchen and only see her in the first few moments of witchdom?
She looks pretty screwy, still.
And her barrier covers the entire earth, doesn't it?
Supposedly her barrier does grow to cover all of earth. But it's also supposedly a heaven-like dimension. We haven't seen anything that could be Gretchen's barrier, unless the theory that Madoka's wish and her witch are working in unison and the witchless world is actually comic Gretchen's barrier, which to be fair is a good theory if you don't account for Rebellion.
Kriemhild Gretchen's curse is an impossible ultimatum. Make the world peaceful in ten days or be destroyed. So the witch destroys everything at the end, creating a peace.
Madoka's wish is to erase witches before they are born, so Madokami trumps KG.
Some new form of witch. She defenitely wasn't going to make new world, she was destroying everything. Calling her Gretchen is the same as calling Akuma Homura as Homulilly
>She defenitely wasn't going to make new world, she was destroying everything
Those are not mutually exclusive. We know extremely little about Gretchen in the first place, so how can you claim that you know what it looks like when she does her thing?
>Calling her Gretchen is the same as calling Akuma Homura as Homulilly
No, Akuma Homura is explicitly neither a witch or a magical girl. Final Gretchen is clearly a witch.
Yeah we know. She gave her friends a good ending however, she's now lonlier than ever, she knows she'll eventually get the shit kicked out of her, and various other things I can't think of at the moment.
I come back and see that no one wants this to be a Nagisa thread anymore. A-alright then.
>wanting a literally who thread
Call me when she gets some suffering
I don't think I like the sound of that.
She did things! She matters!
She matters to me at least
Nagisa does matter, probably. She will pretty soon.
The Witch of Despair (#12) [no runes given]
Her nature is direct petition.
The mouthpiece for all the unfulfilled hopes of all spent magical girls.
If a hope is born that can rewrite the universe, then at the same time, it is born from the mud of despair.
Everlasting wailing fills her body, a continuously swelling, empty doll.
At the end of a magical girl’s karma,
This witch continues to swell to absurd sizes
And in the end, her body could even destroy the galaxy.
>She gave her friends a good ending however, she's now lonlier than ever
That's a bullshit. She gave them her world, which means it's happy ending for herself. And Madoka is her only friend, not others.
She will do great things in the next movie. Just you wait!
The homuverse is certainly better than Madoka's bleak nonexistence, but it's still far from ideal.
>Madoka gets power back somehow
>Cant do anything about Homura because they are evenly matched
>Mami helps Madoka
>Mami gets power up that tips the scales
>Madoka now able to set Homura straight on the being god is suffering
>Homura calls her out on being self-sacrificing
>Madoka admits she is lonely but still enjoys being hope of universe
>Homura asks if she can spend eternity with her because she loves her
>Madoka accepts and says she loves her too
>Hey leave earth wearing wedding clothing
>Post credit scene shows the two finally able to luminous
Not seeing this guys?
I think it has to be something more than that. They would have been together forever at the end of Rebellion if Homura hadn't torn Madoka apart. Homura won't be satisfied if Madoka is away from all of her friends and family.
Ofcourse there will be. I dont get paid to write PMMM. From a story stand point though, we dont need some dramatic twist. We got that in Rebellion.
Also, they wouldnt have. There's no yuri heaven. That's a misunderstanding of how the LoC works. It's more like some Buddhist idea of the afterlife. Hence why Homura needed to become the natural opposite to Madoka for them to actually have a shot at be together.
She needs tough love if she's ever going to stand out.
Homura wants Madoka to be happy. Every single thing Madoka says regarding happiness relates back to Homura.
Sun beams of May/spring: they first met in May/Spring
Eggs for breakfast: Saotome gave her egg speech the day they met.
Calling someone's name: Homura-chan!
Homura wants Madoka to be happy, but has to actually sit down and listen to what makes her happy. That's why they need to talk.
For me, it must be a battle between the goddesses.
And the end of the battle will be 2 options.
Redeption, or Destruction.
Whatever the result will be, it will change the Universe by the third time.
I'm not 100% on the law of cycles. Madokami's arrows were stopping the witches from being born, but the girls were obviously still dying. They said Sayaka was led away by the LoC, but what exactly does that mean? Pre-LoC Sayaka/Oktavia and Nagisa/Charlotte get called back from SOMEWHERE in order to help Madokami find Homura.
Where are you getting the idea about Meguca heaven? They really haven't explained it as far as I know, but Sayaka and Nagisa seemed to still exist somewhere. Madoka said that Homura would be with her forever though.
You should encourage her then. Go go Nagisa, you're the best!
That is true. I think there is enough evidence to believe that Madoka was lonely being the law of cycles though.
I dont think Urobuchi is to be honest. He said your soul just hangs out by itself and that going with Madoka would have still resulted in her never seeing Madoka again. They dont even have cheese in the Law of Cycles. Because of the dualistic thing going on and the girls using their witches as stands, I would assume souls can find peace and gain harmony with their "dark half".
In theory Madokami has no other half and is unable to attain peace. We can say that doesnt make sense, but Im pretty sure that's where they're going with it.
How would she be with Homura? She's too busy fighting a never ending battle across time and space for all eternity to settle down. She meant her soul would become oart of the law of cycles, not that they would hang out.
>hey butcher, how does lesbian heaven work?
>i don't fucking know, this isn't suffering
Why are these two so delicious?
>Lonely being the Law of Cycles
Homura can alter reality and and give physical form to Madoka and the souls of dead megucas. Atm, she's uses that power like a creeper. If she's working with Madoka, in theory they can create an actual paradise where they can see their/Madoka's meguca friends again.
How often are magical girls turning into witches? I doubt that there are so many that she wouldn't have any down time in between. This is assuming she is going through time linearly though, which might not be the case.
Why anon? He's going to yell at me too, you know.
Something like that could happen. They need to explain how Meguca heaven actually works though I think.
Read TDS. This is basically canonical.
Here's what's going to happen.
Homura is going to fuck up massively. That's inevitable. It's going to end up even worse than it was in the original universe. And things are only going to get worse as she fights everyone off who wants to fix things because her only priority is muh doka. Eventually even she will have to realize that she's only hurting Madoka, but by then it will be too late for a happy ending. Hormonal teenage girls can't create a paradise.
The last wish is always the one which undoes the harm that the first wishes caused. Thus, things will be returned to how they were after timeline 1. Madoka dies with a smile.
Madoka sees every universe that is, was, and can be. She's pretty busy.
On the heaven thing, you keep calling it heaven. No one else in universe has and Mami described concepthood pretty brutally. I really dont think there would be a point of making Homura's god-tier power be reality altering in constrast to Madoka's nonexistence when some form of reconciliation is almost guarenteed.
Everyone calls it Meguca heaven or magical girl heaven so I just use those terms. It is probably closer to some kind of purgatory rather than a paradise though. It wasn't well explained but it looked like some kind of beautiful magical realm from the portal we saw just before Homura remade the universe. The girls also seemed to be able to interact with each other, or else how could Sayaka and Nagisa taken an assignment? I think that is some evidence that Madoka isn't constantly out there destroying witches since she had the time to talk to them, as well as having time to be locked away in Homura's labyrinth for a month. Since Madoka exists outside of time she can probably do things at her own pace now. I don't think we can truly know what it is like until it is shown or explained in better detail though.
> I don't think we can truly know what it is like until it is shown or explained in better detail though.
Hopefully the next movie/series will explain how it works. I thought Rebellion would explain how Madokami worked and what exactly happened after the magical girls got loc'd. All it actually gave us were a few crumbs
>she fights everyone off who wants to fix things because her only priority is muh laws
I doubt Madoka would fight. She even agrees with Homura that god doesn't know happiness. Still, some kind of consequence probably has to be dealt with. That might be part of Homura's plan too.
>the last wish is always the one which undoes the harm that the first wishes caused
Uh oh, one of those people who thinks wishes themselves need to be reversed. Usually it comes down to arguing that Madoka should have stayed dead in loop 1.
>Thus, things will be returned to how they were after timeline 1. Madoka dies with a smile.
Yeah, never gonna happen.
>I doubt Madoka would fight
Madoka's not the one fighting. He meant Homura.
>She even agrees with Homura that god doesn't know happiness.
Homura is just projecting and Madoka doesn't remember being a god. With the ballerina thing I think it's implied the Homura is manipulating Madoka.
>Missing the point of the duologue
It's implied that Madoka is being forced to live and dance to Homura's definition of happiness. That part I agree with.
There's no reason to believe Madoka's thought aren't her own though.. Madoka's thoughts are refering to Homura. That's consistent with Madoka because even if Homura fucked up this bad, Madoka promised never to abandon her regardless if she were good at the climax of Rebellion. This is consistent with Homura because she believes Madoka would hate her if she ever got her memories back and kill her. She wouldnt and those thoughts more or less confirm it.
>Madoka is the one who fucked up.
In regards to which universe is better, I'm still on the fence. We still haven't seen the full effects of Homura's changes or how much she changed.
It doesnt matter how great the universe is. Homura believes she betrayed Madoka. That is the source of conflict. Homura did create a functionally better world as far as we can tell. She's happy that Madoka is safe, but she hates herself for her actions. Madoka wouldn't want her to suffer like that.
Uh, that's not how that works.
With the half moon, fucked up landscape, on top of Madoka's returning memories, it sure looks that way.
>interacting with anything to do with PMMM
I want a spin off anime about pic related
Suzune a best girl
Is it time for forbidden love?
I want this to be the fourth movie's twist
The thread's just getting started, m8
AND FROM THE ASHES, THIS THREAD IS BORN ANEW.
>How have you not killed yourself knowing what a pathetic person you are?
Looks like the thread isn't dead and you're spamming like an assblasted child again.
Got bored of your ant-yuri method, evader?
>people still thing !Akemi! is just one person
Thailand is best place for ass
Homu a cute, nice dubs
It's honestly real sad seeing an actual man act like this.
>Why do you keep coming to make threads when you don't appreciate the show or the characters in the slightest?
What the fuck are you talking about?
I love Madoka Magica.
We all do. Crackhater is just being a baka
The first two threads after we first got the concept movie recording were actually really good.
>calling an ass lover an ass
Is that a compliment or an insult?
You're just interpreting it as attacking. I just like shipping
He'll say that enjoying porn of Madoka proves you don't like it because it "insults/degrades the characters."
Which is comically dumb. I doubt every doujin artist hates the source material. Or that people who buy doujins do so out of spite. But whatever. Anti-crack-kun is mad per usual.
I don't have to "address" jack shit, senpai. This is an imageboard, not a debate hall.
Quit it, thread was already dead and there's no discussion just stop.
Also, TDS has no romantic implications between Kyouko and Mami,
But image dumping and meme posting is fun
They're all translated on booru, but I'm not sure if there anywhere else that has them typset besides
>Yeah, you kind of do
Wew, Lad. Show me the law that says that and I'll change my tone.
I bet you're one of those dickheads who defend their shitposting by saying "freedom of speech".
But yeah, the movie was objectively bad. It's obvious that it could have easily been a 30 minute OVA, but they artificially extended it. Plus they revived everyone for maximum pandering, and had Homura do nothing wrong for some reason. Only one real fight scene, and much of the film was basically filler. Plus Bebe/Charlotte was there for no fucking reason.
I disagree, but respect your opinion
>Heh, I translated that.
Did you also type set it?
Because using the font "Hand of Sean" was a fucking terrible choice. It's annoying and hard to read.
Your choice of posting is a terrible choice and your the obnoxious one who can't quit.
>you're wrong because I say so
Sure thing, kid.
What could have happened if Mami never lost her head.
Do you really having nothing better to do?
I mean sure the ships are shit, but at least he's posting madoka images in a madoka thread. You've just been getting mad for like an hour. Seems like you could do something else more enjoyable.
Why is every Madoka thread I enter like this?
Nope I'm actuallyjust getting here. But I think I know who you are because I've delt with you many times before.
Who is !Akemi? Just some ghost to blame everything on?
you do this in every Madoka thread and frankly I don't even know what you are crying about anymore. What exactly are you trying to change?
Better than crack being shoe-horned.
If the definition of crack is a non-canon relationship, then MadoHomu is still crack.
Obviously I just got here and it's impossible to prove I'm not this Akemi guy but you're going to have to take my word for it. Can we actually discuss this now? What exactly is wrong with crack? I see crack posted it other threads all the time and for the most part it's just ignored or in rare cases annons enjoy it. Why aren't you attacking any of those threads? Why do you strictly do this on Madoka threads?
I understand but what the do you think anybody can do about it? If we were to leave every Madoka thread with a crack image posted in it any Madoka thread would last about 20 minutes. I don't want to create a new Madoka thread that often and I don't think anybody has the patience for that. So what do you actually want to happen I just don't understand. I completely agree with you about the crack posting but I'm not about to find a new Madoka thread every time I see one.
>Falls on Homu on the boat
>Creates accidental innuendo
>Madoka gets up
>Doesnt help Homu up
>Proceeds to straddle Homu
It's like Quartet wanted to make sure you knew it wasnt an accident.
>You're my best friend
>which means I want to fuck
Are you just trying to be annoying? When did I ever say crack posting is commonplace? can you please answer my question now?
God, the first hundred or so posts of this thread looked pretty good
with the Homuhater shit got deleted, but of course it had to devolve into autism. Every Madoka thread does. This thread just gave me hope that it wouldn't.
But you were implying that I was the one making it common place. I'm not Akemi and I do not post crack images. I'm sorry if 4chan is a little edgy for you and sometimes bad guys post things you don't like but can you honestly expect everyone to just abandon every Madoka thread as soon as a crack image is posted? I'll promise you right now you ranting on these threads is just giving them what they want and you have probably encouraged people who normally wouldn't post crack to post it just to spite you. If you truly want it to slow down just stop going crazy and just report the image.
Id say that just like Nanoha and Fate in the first season, Madoka and Homura were only friends in initial the series. Rebellion changed that and it 's pretty obvious the intent of Rebellion, aside from cash and suffering, and a follow up is to make MadoHomu a canon relationship.
I'd agree that Madoka only really sees Homura as a friend in the series, but I'm convinced that by episode 1 Homu has been obsessed with saving Madoka for so long that she's fallen in love with her, albeit maybe not consciously. By Rebellion, though, it's definitely mutual.
Not Akemi. Now can you just answer the question you are avoiding?
Why can't people just ignore "crack pairings"
If you don't like it, that's fine. Just ignore it. Do what you do with anime you don't like: ignore it.
You are impossible. I just sent you a time stamp from Ogden. Does this guy haunt your nightmares? Are you mentally stable? I've pretty much answered all your questions and in turn get called names and Akemi? You refuse to have a proper conversation and I've gave you plenty of chances. I'm not replying to you anymore and I hope everyone follows my example.
I've been avoiding this argument the best I can, but it seems to me that you guys are FAR more autistic than the anon(s?) you're arguing with. And this is coming from someone who's gone on crusades and witch hunts against specific posters in the past.
It's okay to relax, anon. !Akemi isn't going to hurt you, even if that is him. He just wants to post cute crack pairings. There's no harm in that.
I'm sorry I don't take a picture of every post I've ever made on 4chan, complete with backlink (You)s.
>But of course, you again, refuse to actually address any of the actual points made in the post and ALWAYS choose to focus on the fact people can spot your obvious samefagging.
Because it's hard, if not impossible, to convince someone that something they believe to THIS EXTENT is false, no matter how much evidence you provide.
So how about this, and I spent the last ten minutes making sure this plan will actually work. Quote this post, and a post you think is mine before >>136196801, the point you think I just started pretending to be a different person. I will take a photograph of that post with my phone, complete with my computer clock, and will post that photo from my phone, just so you can see the IP count go up to prove I wasn't just multi-device shitposting before this. Will that prove to you that you've been arguing with multiple different people?
I actually didn't know you could do that, because I never studied web design or development, nor gave enough of a shit to look into it myself.
>The fact you keep obsessing over the fact it's easy to tell who you are, and not just addressing the actual argument, which is about crack, just further and further proves who you are.
Or maybe that's because no part of the actual discussion about crack pairings was something I was actually involved in.
And in addition, in your blind autistic rage, you seem to have missed that I'm actually trying to address all the points of the posts I'm responding to, unlike the guy you're so sure I am. And you seem to be either unaware of the fact that parading around all this circumstantial evidence as "proof" and going to such extreme lengths to justify your accusations is all supporting my own accusation from earlier, the only point I actually tried to argue besides "I'm neither !Akemi or the guy you thought was !Akemi earlier": the fact that you're being really fucking autistic.
Then again, I'll wholly admit that I am too, for dragging this on for as long as I have. Which is only four posts as of now.
I've never seen Kyoko x Madoka, either. I'll have to look for it.
>The girls in Madoka are shown to faithful and true to a fault for the people they have feelings for.
That's the thing, though. ALL the girls are shown to have some sort of strong feelings for each of the other girls besides maybe Madoka and Kyouko, it's just that those feelings aren't all romantic love. Friendship and admiration are both types of love, and even hate is a strong, passionate emotion that does things to the brain very similar to what love does.
>And you are wrong. Not being faithful to someone, being in a polyamory relationship, automatically means your feelings for the other people are not strong, because you unwilling to be faithful to them or devote yourself to them. And you calling the romantic feelings of the girls in Madoka cheap is how you degrade them.
Every single claim you made in that chunk of text is subjective opinion, not objective fact.
>You just stop saying you're not !Akemi, and you give supporting reasons while you act different than "him". Instead of basing everything you say on "I'm right because my opinion say so!" you actually make a valid argument with supporting details.
So what, do you want me to point out the ways our posting styles differ?
Which meguka is best fo lewding? it's been so many years and I still can't decide
I hate being late.
That's what you get for sleeping, you and kevin could have saved this thread with kyousaya posting
Well, not KyouSaya. You also should have saged.
I'm glad I slept through this
But Madoka is American