Is this the least interesting show KyoAni has ever produced?
It seems like the only way I could theoretically enjoy this is if I was just waifu watching, might as well turn the subs off. Like I understand that I'm not the target audience, but even KnK was much less of a pile of cliches. Amaburi was mostly about soft waifus, but it at least had a sorta original concept and some humor that landed.
Does this show bring anything new to the table other than an attempt to perfect moe character design?
>Does this show bring anything new
No, and we all knew it would be generic garbage from the beginning.
The only reason you watch modern KyoAni shows in the first place is because of the aesthetic anyway.
>Is this the least interesting show KyoAni has ever produced?
probably; definitely one of them. its' strength is being entertaining, not being novel or particularly interesting.
>Does this show bring anything new to the table other than an attempt to perfect moe character design?
no, but it has good animation and character design and is fun to watch. it's not something serious though.
But what do you guys find entertaining about it?
>The only reason you watch modern KyoAni shows in the first place is because of the aesthetic anyway.
There's no way this is true for most of Hibike's audience. Whether you liked the show or not, people were watching it for the characters and the drama (which may or may not include yuri-baiting depending on your perspective).
For example, this was an entertaining scene.
I guess man. That was all just flat to me. Every gag felt stale.
I don't wanna say that I'm a KyoAni fanboy, but this is the first time I've ever felt this way about one of their shows. I've found every show they've produced to at least be above average (didn't bother with Free), but for the first time I'm just bored and aggravated. I was gritting my teeth through most of the second episode. I mean I had heard that it was gonna be a dumb battle harem thing, but I didn't expect it to be a literal carbon copy of every dumb battle harem with totally uninspired writing and character work.
I would say it feels like a quick cash grab, but is it even doing well?
I watch a lot of dumb entertaining shows. Recently I've watched Monster Musume, Love Lab, and Sakura Trick, all simple, dumb, though lightly enjoyable shows. It's not like I have high standards or anything. But all of those were much more entertaining than this so far.
I can respect that.
>hurrr durr muh clichés
>I watch animay for the novelty
Nobody cares. And no sane person wants to waste their time trying to justify why they enjoy a thing to you, just so you can satisfy your crippling autism. Maybe if you weren't so fucking autistic you could realize why you don't like the show, and why other people do.
Different strokes for different folks. Sometimes people just want to be entertained and get some fun by turning their brains off and appreciate its only value like movie flicks. There's no harm of watching these kind of shows, and you can watch better ones to spend your time anyway.
Personally, what I hate more is the pseudo-intellectual dialogues that open up the episodes. I can stand to enjoy the series brainlessly, but the dialogues make me think there's something more to this series and I just can't find it. It feels like a disconnected waste of screen time when the protagonist is explaining shit at the start.
Is it because KnK had all the dumb melodrama and tried to be this big crazy thing that ultimately fell flat on its face? Or another reason?
I mean I certainly get that, and I enjoy that kind of stuff too (see >>136150113 ). I guess this show just doesn't have quite enough going on for me to get into it.
Oh yeah, that's pretty fuckin annoying. Especially ep2 with the whole "were the phantoms always there, or did the humans create the phantoms with their collective subconscious?" Like if you're going to go with something so incredibly cliche, why draw so much attention to it?
I'm offended that you would lump Love Lab in with these other shows. Its humor was based on lampooning shoujo manga cliches while ecchi humor shamelessly embraces the absolute lack of anything funny or original about its comedy.
Eh, the only really enjoyable humor in monmusu was about their nature as monster girls, not really about ecchi. It's not funny that he falls on her tits or whatever, it's funny that she's constricting him to death or whatever. I don't really remember, it's all a blur. And Sakura trick, I would say I enjoyed less as a comedy and more as sort of a really dumb romance. Like I was kinda rooting for the characters. Some stuff was sorta funny, mostly in the way whatserface would make main girl jealous all the time. Really the whole show was just anticlimactic because nothing (that made any kind of sense) ever ended up happening. Though there was some absurdism in the show that I definitely laughed out loud at.
Yeah, they definitely do gorgeous work.
I guess I'm just the only one who isn't having fun. I'm probably not gonna drop it just because I almost never drop anything, but I've certainly got the urge.
Free! may have been designed as fujobait but there was some passion put into making it. Phantom World is just a job to advertise their publishing branch and to keep Ishihara occupied while the talented directors take charge of better material. They were obligated to make it because it was the best thing they got sent during their writing competition one year. That said, I'm enjoying this show slightly more since I'm hetero.
Right, because you're so sure that's exactly the case with Phantom World. This is the kind of bullshit nonsense that I can never understand. When KyoAni makes a show you fags don't like, somehow it's a special case for critique.
I'm not convinced this actually means anything substantial at this point, but despite being a pretty big KyoAni fan part of me hopes the show is a commercial failure.
I can see people hating Nichijou, but it's obviously way more interesting than Phantom World. It was like this huge crazy risk that they took, and nothing quite like it aired before or since. And KnK was fatally flawed, but at least it had some personality.
>keep Ishihara occupied while the talented directors take charge of better material
If this is true then I'm all for whatever it takes. Also you seem like a good person to ask, is Free! worth watching? I plan to get to it eventually, just wanna know if I should push it up my backlog.
Not that guy. Free! is less about swimming and more about the characters finding a reason to swim, if that makes any sense. The show is all about the characters and the sport itself is simply part of the narrative. You wouldn't watch it for the swimming, as simple as that.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I wasn't watching K-on for the music. Or Hibike for that matter. Are you saying that you wouldn't watch it for the swimming, the only reason you would watch it is for moist man-on-man piledriving?
>is Free! worth watching?
It's not worth pushing up your backlog but it's not worth deleting it. It's made for fujoshi. But it does have great swimming animation and the story is decently thought out. It has a talent versus effort theme. Kyoani has at least 2 other shows about that so it's redundant, although it has proven a successful recipe.
>Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
I'm not in the position to decide your taste.
I guess it's sort of like Hibike where there is an end goal for everyone. If you're into shows like that, then try it out.
If you're worried it's gayshit, it's not, although there was like two, three moments for the fujofags to daydream about. If you're bothered by watching guys swimming, then don't watch it.
How can it be the least interesting KyoAni show with Amaburi, Hibike, Lucky Star, K-ON, Tamako, chu2koi, and Free existing?
Okay it's just really well executed, It's nothing new its nothing mind breaking or oh wow thats a classic!
It's just a fun light hearted comedy show that is performed well by Godani.
Yeah I made >>136151911 regarding it.
Dull characters, boring plot. It's literally just people who still like to best girl/worst girl argue, deluded waifufags and children who like the show.
Apparently some people actually think it's funny though.
Don't listen to this guy, It's not even fujobait unless you have a hard time with swimming people in shorts.
The writing isn't THAT bad S2 is kind of wonky but I think its worth watching for some bros.
I'll watch just about anything if it has witty dialog, but nothing in ep2 even came close to making me smile.
Here's a question for all you guys who enjoy this show. Was ep2 significantly worse than ep1? I don't really remember it and god knows I'm not going back to rewatch it. But maybe ep2 is more of a hiccup?
I'm trying to avoid an antagonistic attitude, but I think we agree in principle.
KyoAni kinda dropped the ball on this one, but the girls are cute and the animation is good. That's why I need to stick around and enjoy it.
Koito a cute, by the way.
>KyoAni kinda dropped the ball on this one
Why do you think so? I don't want to look like a Kyoani fanboy but every problem with the anime is because of the poor source material.
For one thing, the fanservice isn't like KyoAni. It's shameful and done for the sake of pandering that makes it distasteful. Another thing, the plot is kinda meh and the voicing isn't all that good for some characters.
The animation is nice, but the directing is just so-so.
>the fanservice isn't like KyoAni
Where you been the last 2-3 years
Can somebody explain this stupid-ass scene to me? I guess she sucked his finger as some kind of instinct, because she had some power she wasn't aware of? But she was like subconsciously aware of it? And despite having some kind of instinctual calling to utilize this power it has never come up before in her entire life.
Basically kyoani was running short on money.
So they drew this scene to titillate otaku and try to make them like the show more in the hopes they'll keep watching and buy the bluray
>Does this show bring anything new to the table other than an attempt to perfect moe character design?
Anime in a nutshell. If you want to read a book, go read a book. I watch anime almost exclusively for the art, most of which boils down to female character design. If I don't like the artstyle or at least one character design I don't watch the show, usually.
>Is this the least interesting show KyoAni has ever produced?
Surprisingly no. There is this thing called Munto that still surpasses everything.
You are right about the rest though. This brings absolutely nothing new, which doesn´t necessarily equate to something bad. But in this case it does.
This seems to be the attitude I'm lacking which is necessary in order to enjoy this show.
You're effectively agreeing with me but I still think you're a pretentious asshole.
I really feel like this example betrays your point. K-on fanservice was mild as fuck and they toned it down hugely from the source material.
I think we can all agree it was shit writing regardless.
>show is good
>based TYBKA improved the shitty source material!
>show is shit
>bawww, it's source authors' fault!
in either case its completely bullshit and lies, since nobody reads these.
people rarely read even popular LNs, they rarely get TLed, and kyoani LNs are not even popular, at least prior to their anime airing.
Nah. The shows you listed had bare/minimum fanservice. Tame and not in-your-face. FMP didn't have a lot by my memory and it was sexy depiction without distasteful pandering more than it is fanservice for the sake of it.
Someone had to have read it since it won KyoAni's
riggedLN award. There was some tripfag in the threads prior to the release that apparently had read it, but didn't acknowledge any of the big plot points so he was probably a phony, too.
>it won KyoAni's rigged LN award
Wait Kyoani actually gave out an award for their LN competition instead of their usual "here's a consolation prize because all the entries suck"?
You're talking about the novelanon? Apparently, he or she does have a good reputation except among the trolls who got their fake spoilers invalidated and thus cannot use it to fool clueless newfags around anymore.
So on the one hand I'm sorta glad some other /a/nons came out of the woodwork eventually to kinda-sorta halfway validate my feelings about Phantom World, but on the other hand a lot of them seem like the same dudes who troll kyoani threads calling Hyouka moeshit and constantly shitposting about "sameface."
Honestly I suspect this show is still a damn sight better than the source material, despite how lackluster it is. Not that I have any real basis for that suspicion.
Maybe crazy shit goes down later on and this'll actually get good. Man, how big would the twist have to be in order to redeem this show?
Well, it's true though. Fumoffu is one big giant trope machine playing and averting expectations and running full gags. That fanservice episode feels damn intentional that runs counter to what one would expect, so it seems like KyoAni stayed true to enhance the hilarious comedy of it all.
The problem with the show isn't the fanservice you landwhales, it's just kinda meh.
The first episode was fun but a bad intro episode, the second episode was straight up boring cliche with mediocre action and comedy. Though, the third episode does look much more promising so the 3ep rule still applies.
>The problem with the show isn't the fanservice you landwhales, it's just kinda meh.
The fanservice's just symptomatic of the show trying to distract potential buyers from its own mediocrity.
>for some reason
their business model is
-acquire cheap sources that bigger fish like kadokawa wouldnt even touch + would consider a bad investment. make a 'contest' to circumvent the entire bidding war to acquire the source.
-adapt the source to an anime
-a kyoani anime is literally the greatest most effective commercial advertisement fathomable for a series in the entire industry
-create a profitable series automatically, spin it into other media like goods, events, CDs, and you own all the rights because you acquired it when it was worth nothing
they are leveraging their position as a anime production studio that otaku "cannot not watch", in the shrewdest way possible.
>dude he punched fairy lmao
>dude he got kicked out of girls room lmao
2 episode was such a shit.
I kinda agree with you OP, though I think the fanservice and girls are ok, but the comedy parts and the MC honestly suck massive dick.
MC a best, elf abusers do nothing wrong.
But it's only the second ep. Wasn't Hibike low until a certain episode?
It's one of my least favorite by them so far. Like many have already said, it's generic as hell, calling out your cliches before doing them isn't charming or funny, shameless fanservice thrown in for no reason, and characters that bring nothing new to the table.
The only good thing I see coming from this is doujins, screencaps, and webms. Unless it somehow takes drastic turn.
TL;DR Kyoani's take on a run-of-the-mill battle harem; watch with your dick.
Hell, usually I'm ok with KyoAni's 'pandering' works ie Chuu2 and I hear people called Amaburi as such. They had interesting premises at least.
How so, anon. No, it's nothing like say Asterisk war but:
>Guy surrounded by girls who have some kind of fondness for him
>So far monster of the week
Unless someone can shed light on the LNs which I can't find anywhere.
>But it's only the second ep. Wasn't Hibike low until a certain episode?
Hibike was never that low.
These were its rankings after the 2nd episode aired
【2015年 04月 16日 01時(木)】 ***,263位
【2015年 04月 16日 02時(木)】 ***,272位
【2015年 04月 16日 03時(木)】 ***,280位
【2015年 04月 16日 04時(木)】 ***,266位
【2015年 04月 16日 05時(木)】 ***,256位
【2015年 04月 16日 06時(木)】 ***,258位
【2015年 04月 16日 07時(木)】 ***,246位
【2015年 04月 16日 08時(木)】 ***,246位
【2015年 04月 16日 09時(木)】 ***,224位
【2015年 04月 16日 10時(木)】 ***,237位
【2015年 04月 16日 11時(木)】 ***,251位
【2015年 04月 16日 12時(木)】 ***,267位
【2015年 04月 16日 13時(木)】 ***,291位
【2015年 04月 16日 14時(木)】 ***,285位
【2015年 04月 16日 15時(木)】 ***,283位
【2015年 04月 16日 16時(木)】 ***,276位
【2015年 04月 16日 17時(木)】 ***,296位
【2015年 04月 16日 18時(木)】 ***,325位
【2015年 04月 16日 19時(木)】 ***,360位
【2015年 04月 16日 20時(木)】 ***,329位
【2015年 04月 16日 21時(木)】 ***,323位
【2015年 04月 16日 22時(木)】 ***,348位
【2015年 04月 16日 23時(木)】 ***,359位
Battle harem is just misleading and wrong. There are no battles against people, the battles are just silly things like limbo, kicking, chanting, and sealing. There is no harem because nobody except for maybe Reina likes Haru, and maybe Haru likes Reina too and that's that.
I remember not liking Hyouka during the first few episodes, but I ended up loving it. I also remember not liking Nichijou during the first half of the season. But it ended up being my favorite anime of the decade so far, episode 14 onwards were fucking masterpieces each and every one of them. Amaburi was put on hold because the plot went nowhere during the first 4 or 5 episodes and I also ended up liking it a lot when I marathoned the rest. Remember Lucky Star's first episode and how horrible it was?
KyoAni tends to start lazy with their shows but they always take a turn for the better. First episode of Phantom was good, second not so much, but I wouldn't drop it yet. I'm sure KyoAni will surprise me as the season goes on. I have no doubt about it.
Now that I think back, Reina is the only one who has shown visible affection.
It's just how it's done. None of these characters are interesting and suddenly in the second ep 'HEY LOOK A STRETCHING SCENE' for what reason. Maybe like the guy who quoted me, it may be the central focus ie ecchi so either turn a blind eye to it or enjoy it, even if it is just tossed it.
I'm guessing he was looking forward to another KyoAni work and was let down ultimately.
OK, thanks for the clarification. I was wrong and quickly gave it a label. Let's see how things turn out though. At this point I'll probably keep watching just with my boner.
>Inb4 Just watch hentai anime
It's pretty much a cute girls slice of club SoL but with guys though.
It's worth it for Rei.
So how do y'all rank Kyoani shows?
If we look at the post Lucky Star era for me it would go:
Nichijou > Chuuni S1 > Hyoka > KnK > Hibike > Amagi > Phantom so far > K-ON
Didn't watch free so I can't rank it.
I thought that last number were preorders. How many actual preorders did it have at that point then? I usually see that the ranking is very volatile I don't think that's a good measurement so early on.
You're insane. There isn't a single thing this show has that wasn't done better in KnK. Music, production values, character designs, etc. And while it had a less interesting premise, it followed through way better.
>it followed through way better.
Phantom World isn't over yet anon.
You should know that your question is nonsensical if you read the goddamn article I linked you.
No one aside from Amazon themselves knows the "actual preorders".
The only data we have is the ranking.
Amazon stalker uses the ranking to calculate the accumulated points and predict the the sales which isn't accurate when you only have 2 weeks of ranking data to work with.
PW has 289 accumulated points at the moment and Amaburi had more than 2,000 points after episode 2, if that's what you want to know.
Hyouka and Hibike are entirely different genres. They warrant more patience because you sense they're building up towards something. For ecchi comedy battle harems you already know in advance the story is complete crap so you have to determine its entertainment value on a per-episode basis.
There's no purpose to this show. Even Amaburi and K-ON! had a purpose, this show's just silly.
I still think Hyouka is visually their best, but Hyouka, K-On!!, KnK, and Euphonium absolutely knock everything else out of the park. Not even a contest.
Hell, even Phantom World looks better than most.
Come on, there are much more good romcoms (pic related). Unless you were just talking about Kyoani?
>What does this word even mean nowadays?
It means you're not watching it for the story just for the girls and that's fine, but some people won't admit it's the only reason they're watching it
I like the sound of waifu-watching. It's like bird watching. Gives the impression we're living in the moment by observing whatever comes by rather than our standards being nonexistent for consuming entertainment.
You know a studio is the best when people are audibly upset over them not making a masterpiece and taking it easy with an 8/10 show.
Kyoukai no Kanata
Tamako Love Story
Most likely Phantom World
I really need to watch FMP, as its the only Kyoani show I haven't watched yet aside from Free! and Munto