Lets say you are making a romance anime. Is it necessary for the heroines to be "pure" in order to be a financially successful anime? I am talking NGE, Kidou Senshi Gundam and Bakemonogatari level of success.
No "muh genus", no "muh cucks", no realism. The only important part of this question is: Will the anime sell if the heroine is anything less than a holy maiden? How far can we go and still be successful enough to warrant a second season? What is necessary for a long running franchise (4+ seasons of 12 episodes each).
Pre-1999 Dvd releases. The "Total sales" column gives the number of dvds sold.
Post-2000 dvd releases. The "Total" column gives the number of dvds sold.
Each dvd or volume contains 1-4 episodes and costs USD 50 on average when bought directly from their distributor. For comparison see One Punch Man dvd 1-4
This article is to give an idea of how much an episode of anime costs to produce.
long story short a season of 12 episodes would cost a studio about 1 750 000 USD. Keep in mind that DVD/BD sales are not the only way for the production group to recuperate their investment but it is the easily measurable and the one I have the most information on.
Doesn't really matter. Heroine can be a huge slut, but she can only be a slut for the self-insert. All other men have to be eunuchs. Women not interested in the self-insert have to die.
Them's the breaks.
I find that weird. Why is it that any sort of female character who's not just a a wet dream for those who self insert immediately leads to failure? Do people in general just hate anyone who is "unpure" or does not show interest in the self-insert character?
>NOT immediately hated by /a/
Probably not anon but please phrase your sentences better. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the nieche industry that rests entirely on otakus disposable income, people whose culture we share here.
For better or worse /a/ might be the best representation of the japanese otaku consumer on 4chan
short of /jp/
It can be a sensitive topic if the discussion starts to become too close to home
You have to appreciate a divide between the audience that pays for shit(e.g. horrifyingly overpriced DVDs/Blu-Rays, as well as absurd amounts of merchandise), and the population as a whole.
Fujiko Mine is a huge slut and one of anime's original femme fatales, and she's always ranked extremely highly(usually the top spot) in popularity polls, for both sexes, when discussing things like favorite female character of the decade or whatever.
Then again, Lupin isn't exactly a series that plays to the erotomania crowd.
well if you are talking about financial success than purity doesn't really matter
you are putting too much importance on an unrelated factor (you always do this and that's why everyone calls you a retard).
the audience is the reason for success or failure. for example, in Japan: a woman who has been in a sexual relationship is generally considered undesirable. Whereas in America, some may not give a shit.
Did the rape occur during the show or before the show? Sejougahara got raped before the start of bakemonogatari and it was a financial success.
My two cents is that otakus percieve rape as an act outside of the heroines control and therefore she remains pure in mind if not in bodyas in the lack of a hymen.
I would however argue that F/SN did not recouperate their losses purely by dvd sales, if going by the sources posted in OP.
Was Lupin a financial success however? 23(episodes)*140k(projected cost of episode in USD)=3220k USD vs 35,304(units sold) * 50(USD per unit)=1765k
However most anime seem to have this ratio of income vs outcome, the question is if Crunchyrolls idea of 140k USD per episode is incorrect.
better question is
Is it necessary for the heroes to be "pure" in order to be a financially successful anime?
Depends a lot on the show's audience and the characters in question. Not even just talking about romance anime either. Purityfags might be obsessive and buy a lot of merch for characters they like, but they're not THAT big of a group that they can't be overcome by a larger group of less obsessive fans.
These days female characters get laid more than the male characters
>female targeted series with female main
>happily ever after
>male targeted series with male main
>gets several of them
>doesn't fuck anyone of them
>Will the anime sell if the heroine is anything less than a holy maiden?
First of all, you can't have every girl on the show be a slut or something. That's not going to work ever. And second, at no point play up that a girl is used goods (damaged goods might be okay though)
Anyway, it is possible to clear this hurdle but you need to have the show be accessible to casuals AND otakus if you're going to do that. Like Gundam SEED was able to (barely) get away with Kira fucking Flay because it had a lot of stuff accessible to multiple audiences
What I'm trying to say is you can't have this imaginary anime you want only be watched by an otaku audience
> What is necessary for a long running franchise
Selling a SHITTON of merch
Well actually I can kind of understand it a little.
I mean if you want to believe your main character has a chance with x main girl and said girl is literally sleeping around, I think it would be kind of disingenuous to the audience.
>Is it necessary for the heroes to be "pure" in order to be a financially successful anime?
No. But don't flaunt it. Also, make it clear EARLY that the hero/ine isn't pure, don't toss that in as a twist later in the story (unless said story involves actual grown adults) and there has to be something else there for the audience like giant robots or aliens or some shit. Just a romantic comedy/drama and one of the angles is x character isn't pure is a huge turnoff to the elevens
CHRIS IS PURE!
T-TH-THEY WERE JUST PHYSICALLY ABUSING HER!
I'd say it has more to do with the male partner if anything, I think the female long as she looks good personality ignored is all you need.
Don't be a baka like Hibiki and ignore anything that upsets you.
Her past doesn't make her any less perfect, anyone who would hold that against her doesn't deserve to be considered a person.
>best representation of the japanese otaku
You might be wrong here.
We resemble nip casual-midlevelfags slightly more.
The unhealthy level of obsession you're seeing here in /a/ is most likely memetic.
>Is it necessary for the heroines to be "pure" in order to be a financially successful anime?
I don't know about financially successful, but it's certainly not a requirement for it to be good.
You forgot Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.
That shit caused major shitstorm not only in 4chan, but also other prominent anime forums more than a decade ago.
Heroines are far from being holy maiden, MC is a vegetable with anger issues and far from being a self-insert material.
Technically speaking it might not be financially successful compared to muv-luv, but that shit left a huge mark in the industry.
I don't think people will discuss Nisekoi or To-Love-Ru for years down the road aside from casual banter "my whore best girl", but kiminozo still split the fanbase until now.
I consider leaving a legacy to be more of a success than absorbing otaku money like a sponge. Once you left your mark, money would naturally flow.
>I consider leaving a legacy to be more of a success than absorbing otaku money like a sponge.
You sound like a sir of fine taste. However I do not agree with your opinion. IMO financial success is necessary to keep a franchise alive and any author would want his creation to stay alive.