So why are there so few anime about fighters and aerial combat? It kind of annoys me that the only way to get one made seems to be making planes into little girls. I'm honestly kind of surprised that Ace Combat has never had an adaption come to think of it, you could lift the plot straight from 5 or 0 without having to change a thing.
Oh and I'm quite sure you have to pay for license to include non Slav planes.
Just go watch Sky crawlers, Yukikaze or wait for Macross Delta.
Where's a good place to start watching Macross stuff?
Because robots are cooler than jets
Don't mind the idols/music/silly stuff: Start from the first.
Just in for the dogfight: Macross Plus
W-what if I want an air superiority harem?
>air superiority harem?
No such thing.
Unless you count Yukikaze's AI that can jack planes as a harem due to multiple bodies.
I've always thought that AC0's took a decent amount of inspiration from Area 88. You should go watch/read A88 if you haven't already, it's not great but it's as good as it gets.
I'd love more plane anime, preferably stuff that's actually somewhat serious and realistic instead of crazy sci-fi or a plane equivalent of GuP.
Also, on a tangent, why are there so few car anime? You've got Initial D and Wangan Midnight, which are melodramatic street racing bullshit, and Capeta, which is pretty much shounen trash. I'd love to see a series about rally or GT racing.
No I'm saying since we get
>Ace Combat 7
we might also get
>Ace Combat anime
The Shirobaco OVA (Third Aerial Girls Squad) is great.
>It kind of annoys me that the only way to get one made seems to be making planes into little girls
You are some huge faggot aren't you, there's a whole franchise about
That's a game not an anime and even if you post best idolmaster I want idols to go and stay go, other wise it will be a monstrosity like macross delta
>Purpose built to deal with the theoretical capabilities of the very best that can be thrown at it
>Is an incredible advancement over the previous best in its field and second to none in combat against other labors
>Even as it ages is improved with block upgrades that keep it well and truly in the fight
>By the end of the series it's superseded by a cheaper and technically more capable labor that is defined by its innovative massively computer-aided controls
>Despite this, it remains the heavy hitter and punches well above its weight many years past when it should've stopped being competitive
Face it, the Ingram is basically the Eagle.
I can't stand any air fight in japanime. It triggers my autism to see missiles which barely can catching up jets/mechas/little girls/spaceships when IRL missiles fly 2 to 4 time faster than their average targets.
People who normally ask for "fight jet-related" anime often come from an ace combat background. Project Aces, the studio that makes ace combat also made the Sky Crawlers game, of which there is also an anime. So there is a very distinctive connection there.
I think he might be talking about Anime cutscenes in the game.
In other words, the Ace Combat 3 we never got.
It's only the reveal trailer anon, give them a chance to E3. If you've been keeping up with the infinity "patches," you'll know they still got their game on.
>I'm sure no one ever thinks like that
I think of it like that.
There's gotta be at least another, or a few.
Zero best railer. Zero best song.
dont really know whats going on but intensity is there and seems to have plot
i have no fucking clue whats going on. also announcement trailer? so there will be a proper one for it later on
Because there hasn't been any actual air superiority campaigns in decades, anon. An anime about modern jet fighters would just incite nonstop shitposting about the F-35.
Real talk, aerial combat has simply faded from people's minds and not of interest to anyone. Even Western media doesn't have much interest in it anymore. Hell, the USAF is slowly moving from its heydays of fighters and focusing its doctrine on global mobility.
>"Did you know, there are three kinds of Aces"
>That cut into PROJECT ACES
>The ace editing, everything syncing to the music
>Introduction of the main Aces, synced perfectly to the guitars
>that guitar buildup that doesn't end
>"It was a cold and snowy day"
>Title drop, music blasts into crescendo
One of the best fucking trailers ever holy shit. Whoever fucking edited this is a god. It's impossible not to get hype watching it.
>Not going fast
Macross actually has a rather valid reason for missiles not catching up.
Their fighters have retardedly high thrust-weight ratios and they got G-dampening equipment.
Most Jap animator know jackshit about aircraft or aerial combat, so even if it make into anime, probably gonna be horseshit anyway
You mean like advanced ecm and stealth for radar guided missiles and lasers to burn out heat seakers' sensors?
How about basic fog of war? Everyone's working on a way to jam long range coms and hack into drones. Aerial knife fights are inevitable.
If there is ever an Ace Combat anime, we all know best Belka will be in it.
This is a F-4 Phantom.
is this supposed to be like magic arrows or something, or just shit writing?
a longbow can't shoot even 200m straight up, so all the choppers would have to do is engage with a little altitude advantage and laugh at the archers.
Talking about an anime adaptation of ace combat using AC 5 or Zero instead of the vastly superior electrosphere only shows how much of a newfag pleb with shit taste you are
So we are posting crap now? Every military analyst not lobbying with Lockheed Martin say it is a hugely expensive pile of crap which will fail to meet the expectations placed on it as a dominant weapon system for the foreseeable future
>well made, extremely effective
Okey dokey, If you say so, I will believe you, after all between dozens of known military analysts from a dozen different countries and some random anon on /a/ it is obvious whose opinion is fact.
f-22a shit. why did best plane yf-23 never get to live?
Dozens of different very salty military analysts.
People said the F-22 was going to be vaporware, or be shit, etc. and look, best air superiority fighter in the world. The only valid criticism right now in my opinion is how horrendously over budget it is, but even that seems to be par for the course.
Jets: Stratos 4, 801 TTS Airbats, and Area 88.
Fantasy aircraft: Cluster Edge, Last Exile, Simoun, Wings of Honymayonaise (can't spell the name), and Yukikaze.
Turboprops: Allison and Lilia, Pilot's Love Song, Princess and the Pilot, Porco Rosso, The Cockpit, Sky Crawlers, and one or two others I cannot remember the names of.
It is cool bro, you like your F-35 , nothing wrong with that, Just so you know the very same analysts praised the F-22 capabilities and performance, they just dont want their countries to spend their defense budget on toys which wont meet the promised standard
Too many fighters in this thread. Bosting Best bomber butt
Yeah because there was going to be a VTOL version of the F-16 and it was going to replace the A-10 too
>mfw watching footage of the Russian strategic bombers fucking over ISIS
Why can't America be this based?
disgusting lumps of fat.
Now this, this is a toned and sculpted ass
Unsung War seems hard to animate when you are supposed to be self-inserting as Blaze with Nagase devoting herself to you and you never even see his face.
Also, since it's her birthday as well:
Bone-chan you're just butthurt because you had you top speed gimped and you can't break Mach 2 anymore.
I believe the MIG-25 was the Valkyrie interceptor since it performed better at high altitudes , the MIG-31 was a foxbat redesign to catch low flying hyper sonic targets, like the B-1 and cruise missiles
Some of Bone-chan's siblings also lost nuclear capability too. While her Russian cousins are gearing up to be able to carry more nuclear missiles as needed.
We need Valkyrie back. Preferably as a modern supersonic bomber.
muh dick status: diamonds
> das ass
sexy, but every smart boy knows to stay away from Russian girls
definition of sexy tomboy
posting ayy lmao tech should not count
enough of all the PG-rated shit guys.
> pls don't ban me, mods
Or if the fuel/engine spontaneously combust and you fall to the ground in pieces. Either way.
Also, am I the only one who finds early MiGs beautiful? Fargo, Fagot, Fresco, Farmer, and beautiful Balalaika/Fishbed are all wonderful.
You realize the F-16 was a piece of shit for the first few years in service? All it could do was glare at heavy bombers with 2 sidewinders until they started tacking on more capability.
Let's not also forget the F-16 was rushed into production so quickly we were literally losing 20 a year due to crashes.
you pussies. here's some shit that's not even legal to look at in 'Straya and the U.K.
I personally think that if we get over the fact that F-35s can't dogfight, used in tandem with F-22s the whole could be greater than the sum of the parts.
The people who shit on the Lightning II in online discussions usually have about a much to back their argument as people who try to defend it.
And you realize every major weapon system has a period after introduction during which flaws are identified and resolved, details and hiccups ironed out, taking anything from months to years? What is your point?
Another thing to keep in mind is that whoever sees the other guy first has a major advantage. The F-35 will almost always see the other guy first. It's not on the level of the Raptor but it's still stealth and it's got some really good avionics.
No, it cant, there have been several simulations and projections based around the F-35 capabilities and those of their most likely adversaries(4.5 gen jets) in specific battle situations, when operating without F-22 escort the casualty rate is very high for the F-35
Why's there no full adaptation of Area 88? People would love to buy the Ryoko figures and Shin and Mickey's plane models. The story itself is quite good, the character design is not usual.
This thing would sell good, but no, let's make more cheap harem magic school ranobe adaptations.
It is shit because is the MOST expensive weapon program EVER and it will NOT produce anything more than a run of the mill multirole aircraft, holy shit son, have you shit for brains or what?
never has there been a plane so hated by airforce brass yet so loved by grunts.
I can kind of see how objectively drones or even jsfs might be more cost effective or quicker to the scene for ground support, but half the half the point of the warthog must be just lording it over your enemies that you can fly stupidly big autocanons around to terrorize them
So how long until we stuff stealth on her and more powerful gun for old-fashioned rip and tearing?
it's been on the chopping block like 5+ times over the last 10-15 years, but it keeps getting rolled back due to various reasons.
the warthog is living on borrowed time though.
>Forgetting the Redline anime movie as one of the best car racing things ever animated
>This is how AC5 was promoted
First half of the trailer is ok, cinematics mixed up with the AC radio chatter we know and love. Then it devolves into shit with the addition of a shitty rock band
>This is how they try to hype AC7
There's a reason it's called an "Announcement" trailer, and that is that this is a teaser, we'll probably get another proper trailler somewhere around E3
My favorite AC, just because it's literally built around dogfight duels. And that goddamn trailer just sells the everloving fuck out of it.
it's absolute shit against radar, which isn't really even an option given all the ordinance strung out on its bottom, but it was actually bretty gud against IR due to high-bypass engines and horizontal stabilizers hiding the exhaust plumes.
I miss the times when completely ridiculous ideas for future aircraft were common.
All the latest aircraft are all too similar to each other, with a few being literal copy/paste/edits. Which leads me back to wanting more anime and Ace Combat with fantasy jet aircraft.
I hope this buddy's moment to shine tomorrow is done well. I would suck J.C. Staff's dick forever if they do.
I'm in love.
Reality is far more lewd.
personal favorite coming through.
not the fastest or sleekest, but very good at what she does...
Another thing, whose fucking idea was this?
>You know that transport plane over there?
>What if we just stick a fuckton of guns on it.
>I don't fucking know just stick them out the side or something.
It's the most American thing ever.
I dunno who first thought up of slapping a howithzer to the side of a AC-130, but that human being better have a spot reserved in heaven for his great contributions to the human race.
>No love for the best transport
These things are the best to work with. C-5s break too often being the old fat whales they are, and C-130s are weak with a capacity of only six pallets.
> hmm, artillery is nice, but sometimes it takes too long putting it where you want
> and sometimes you can't always get the elevation advantage you want
> hmm, let's stick some on the side of a cargo plane and fly it in circles above wherever
> fuck it, we'll put a vulcan canon on there too for good measure
this thing is like Peanut Butter and Chocolate, The Plane.
The bear near me made the switch from C-5s to C-17s a few years back, and I'm sure it was a smart move.
That said, I really miss seeing C-5s in the air. Maybe I'm weird for thinking that their wailing banshee engines were cool rather than annoying.
Sticking stupid shit on to planes is an old tradition.
>Maybe I'm weird for thinking that their wailing banshee engines
They were annoying as shit when I went through boot at Lackland. Mainly because it was very tempting to look in the direction of the noise, but you'd get lit the fuck up for looking around by the MTIs.
That palne is Angel of Death, Isn't? She's fabulous as fuck, pic related
The time sure flies fast.
LRIP by 2016
IOC by 2017
>tfw we'll never have cute girls who love cute planes
See that space elevator?
You can fly up it
In japan air superiority is maintained by magical girls and mecha.
That was an American idea born during the Vietnam war. Helicopters were too vulnerable while hovering and firing and jets were useless in keeping the Vietcong suppressed (didn't help that some jets didn't even have a gun once they exhausted their bombs or missiles).
So one American commander ordered bolting machine guns into a transport and ordered that when suppression fire is required, that modded transport would circle around and suppress an area. It worked so well they expanded its mission to also suppress convoys moving in on friendly positions.
You know, I fell in love with the Globemasters after this Air Force commercial:
I actually looked up the transport and found out it was almost as capable as the C-130 when it came to terrain flexibility, as well as being used for almost everything the C-130 does, but on a larger scale.
It really is, it's by far the most flexible transport aircraft we have.
My job in the AF is to load and unload cargo onto aircraft, and C-17s are by far the best ones to work with. The C-5 can carry more, sure, but its hydraulics tend to break a lot, and there's just so many nifty features on the C-17 that makes the job easier and smoother. I'm talking about moving pallets of cargo that each weigh 10,000 lbs, any simplicity is appreciated.
Aye, though after Zero there's only like one or two AC game set in Strangereal.
>it's literally built around dogfight duels
The best, there need to be more air jousting in AC.
America thought having high-tech missiles and supersonic aircraft signaled the end of mandating a rapid-fire gun for dogfighting, so their F-4 aircraft in Vietnam didn't have guns until later. Problem was, this left them with nothing to fight with once they ran out of missiles, and no means to accurately engage when they were within easy range of enemy MiGs.
The other problems were that the two missile types carried had teething problems, and either malfunctioned or couldn't be used at their effective ranges due to engagement restrictions at the time, which forced pilots to come back down to subsonic speeds to establish a lock-on.
In the end, the USAF had to add gunpods, with the Marines opting to equip double gunpods in order to provide strafing surpression fire. And in irony, properly sighted gunpods ended up being more advantageous than the missiles. Later F-4s got their internal vulcan later on.
>And in irony, properly sighted gunpods ended up being more advantageous than the missiles.
Not really. Navy Phantoms never had guns or gunpods installed and they enjoyed a much better K/D than Air Force Phantoms, even when the AF ones had guns equipped. The difference was in training, as early on, most American pilots were not trained properly in dogfighting, and were instead told to fly as conservatively as possible. Vietnam is the direct reason why we have Top Gun and Red Flag.
I bet Mobius 1 is a fuqboi twink who may be the Grim Reaper of the skies, but on the ground, he's a nothing but a submissive weakling. I'm going to sneak to his barracks every night, and rape him there and then without every the slightest bit of mercy. He wouldn't be able to cry for help or report me either, to protect his reputation as the ace of aces.
Look at those flares. Beautiful.
I believe there's official Area88 stuff in whatever the online AC is called as well.
Redline has nothing to do with real cars, though. It's about as much a car anime as Macross is a jet anime.
Look at it. It's a fucking spaceship.
Forget fighters, do you know how few series there are about just general aviation?
>Japan: Filled with anime of magical girls protecting the country.
>Useless dysfunctional military. America protects them.
>USA: Filled with special effects Hollywood space movies; Star Wars, Star Trek.
> Useless dysfunctional NASA. Russia launches their astronauts to the ISS.
Be careful about the real world implications of your fantasy life.
Speaking of fantasy life affecting the real-world image, I love Russia's fantasy PAK TA flying wing mega transport.
Actually Japan has one of the better fighting forces out there. They're reliant on the US sure, but the JSDF is in the top 10 armed forces in just about every category.
Also Roskosmos is worse then NASA. The only reason they can launch astronauts is because NASA pays for it. Other than manned flight NASA currently has them beat in pretty much every category at the moment.
>our incompetence is the reason we have elite flight training programs to teach our pilots skills that are standard fare for the rest of the world
I loathe my country's military so much.
>implying other countries have anything even close to Top Gun or Red Flag.
I know this is probably quite random, but why doesn't the US buy Russian fighters? Even if only to use as Aggressors in Red Flag-style training, rather than just using repainted F-15s or F-16s?
Also, is thrust vectoring that big a deal, or is it unnecessary beyond stunts?
>why doesn't the US buy Russian fighters?
Because it isn't in the best interest of Russia to sell the US the planes it would be employing against it in a hypothetical conflict. Knowing what a plane can do is a very different thing to having a unit you can pull apart and examine every piece of.
>Also, is thrust vectoring that big a deal
The jury is still out on that. Apparently most simulated kills on Raptors in exercises are the result of the pilots kicking into thrust vector maneuvers, so take that as you will.
meanwhile China has to use footage from a Kenny Loggins music video when boasting about their invinciburu flanker knockoff, and Russia pays their 3DCG modellers more than their engineers.
>I know this is probably quite random, but why doesn't the US buy Russian fighters? Even if only to use as Aggressors in Red Flag-style training, rather than just using repainted F-15s or F-16s?
I doubt Russia would be willing to sell the US any, and I don't think Congress would approve of buying foreign weapons from potential rivals. Plus, having a small fleet of foreign, exotic planes is actually more expensive to maintain than just using your own aircraft.
>Also, is thrust vectoring that big a deal, or is it unnecessary beyond stunts?
It is useful for post-stall maneuvers and getting your nose pointed where you want quickly, but it's generally a liability in a dogfight because TVC kills all of your energy, leaving you a sitting duck.
They don't even need it, nimrod; that was the whole point of the greentext!
where do I start learning about military airplanes
Because Russia likely wouldn't sell them. You don't sell your biggest rival your equipment. It gives them a chance to pick it apart and find all the flaws they can exploit. That said, over years the USAF has acquired several Russian jets through various means. They've mostly been used for evaluation purposes but they have seen some use in training aggressor pilots. I don't think they see much use though because sourcing spare parts has to be a bitch.
On the subject of Thrust Vectoring: It's not a bigger deal than any other method of increasing maneuverability and has as many pros and cons as any other method. That said it is the most impressive one at air shows and it's always a good thing to show off at an air show.
Thrust Vectoring also improves STOL performance but that's not as big a deal in the post-cold war world where we don't need to worry about the commies cratering the runway.
Yes the fact that someone shot down a plane with at the time 20 year old stealth technology which had been flying almost the exact same path for the whole campaign when it opened its bomb door proves that stealth is obsolete.
>F-117 flies the same route every night.
>SAM battery points their missiles in the air in anticipation of its flightpath.
>No SEAD plane accompanying the F-117 is supposed to be standard protocol.
>F-117 suffering a mechanical issue so its bomb bay door is stuck open
>SAM keeps radiating longer than they were supposed to and fire 3 missiles, two of which miss.
It was a combination of overconfidence, preparation, and luck. Note that was the one time an F-117 was shot down. Ever. And even then it nearly got away.
Because they can't be fucked to research the whole "flying the jet" shenanigan by interviewing the actual pilots/personnel and such.
More so it cost hell a lot of money as well. I mean just look at "triple A" games such as CoD: they've researched the whole army/combat thing by interviewing the soldiers, recording the real gun sounds, getting actual design layouts of guns/tanks/aircrafts etc.
Don't get me wrong, is still is a repetitive, overrated game but still they got bunch of their resources by investing time and money on above activities. It's one of the reason why the first MW game was a huge success.
When is Russia going to hurry up with the PAK FA?
China already has the J-20 ready.
Which CAS is better on average? A-10 or Frogfoot? Assuming latest updated versions, given that the Frogfoot was one of the first to receive a major overhaul as part of Russia's modernization program.
I hear plenty of good things about the A-10, but hardly anything on its Russian equivalent, aside from the Russian equivalent being able to spam a shitload of unguided rockets.
This thread has too many jets. Posting best Turboprop.
So what's with this hate train on this particular jet?
I'm not into jets or planes but it seems that this particular jet (F-35 was it?) gets all the hate including from the American themselves.
Should have just produced Berkuts or an updated version of the Berkut.
Because it's new and scary and it's replacing the venerable F-16 (of which people fucking hated when it was in its early days, too, because it didn't have ENOUGH capability. Go fucking figure.)
FA-37 Talon when?
Will President Trump establish the Mahou Shoujo Elite Corps?
I thought F-35's stealth was inferior to the F-22's, which is why they're allowing sale of it to various nations as opposed to the F-22?
Heck, they refused to share details on the YF-23 due to also using similarly advanced stealth systems that are on the F-22.
It's still kind of debatable which plane as the better stealth, but what the F-35 has over the F-22 is that its RAM coating is built directly into the skin so they don't have to keep constantly repainting it after every mission like they have to do with the F-22, B-2, and F-117.
>I thought F-35's stealth was inferior to the F-22's,
It is. It's only "the most advanced" in the sense that it's the most advanced thing that can actually be made at the moment, since the F-22 production line is dismantled
Iran Stealth Plane > All Other Stealth Planes.
Can't go wrong with that military-grade Magellan GPS system too.
It's a more advanced coating than the F-22 had, but the total RCS is higher. That said the F-22s will probably get something as good or better when it's time for their midlife update in a few years.
Some eastern NATO countries, particularly Poland, still fly Russian planes, though these are mostly just holdovers from the Cold War and are being phased out in favor western planes.
And really, Russia and West are rich enough to develop their own planes. Most of the aircraft market lies in the 3rd world/developing countries.
The Spitfire remains one of the sexiest prop driven planes of all time.
Ain't that right /wtg/
I thought a few NATO nations used Russian equipment?
There's a few non-NATO nations that use both American and Russian equipment though. Such as Russian Hinds but American F-16s, or Russian Flankers, but American helis.
What the fuck is the US doing with their money lately?
Last time I checked they spent 700 million and a decade developing a minesweeper and it doesn't even fucking work after all this time.
Is no one thinking that maybe someone is embezzling funding or something?
You can't even fly it unless you've got both your legs amputated.
>You can't even fly it unless you've got both your legs amputated.
It's clearly a kamikaze stealth fighter.
The bomb bay is only there to load up a nuke or chemical weapon then the pilot is to be strapped in and sent on a one-way ticket to their destination. Kind of like the suicide subs Imperial Japan had.
Which girl would you wreck?
Resumption of scans when too?
How about right now?
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Ch 44 never
During Vietnam they strapped guns/rockets/cannons to just about everything they could.
See: This ACH-47 Attack Chinook
>Ch 44 never
Flanker is a big tsundere
Hahaha, C got wrecked.
There's no DFM.
The stingers were introduced to scare helo pilots more than fend off fixed-wings, but I guess that would be an effect. Speaking of their effect, it tends to be overstated. Soviet doctrine had accounted for it within a few months. The real hurt came not in shootdowns but in how much less effective air support became due to the much more conservative tactics employed.
>Reverse swept wings
My dick can only get so erect
Would've put Falken here if not for that ass.
Again, only the real world. The thing about Strangereal, the ace combat world, is that it's basically a much nicer Terra from MD Geist. There are always wars, wars everywhere. Whether it be between countries, or corporations with their own private military. And more often than not, they get out of hand and expound to ridiculously massive air battles.
You are thinking of it in terms of practicality or feasibility in a conventional setting, which ace combat is not. You have a single plane with 120 fucking missles for fuck's sake. Plus Special weaponry and gun ammo.
Why arent you piloting a jet fighter right now anon? Didn't you want to fly on your planefu you loved so much? What is stopping you anon?
Fuck my life because pic related.
Cool /pol/ meme, maybe you could post your favorite Wyatt Mann cartoon next.
My country has about 100 fast jets total, all the same model. Half of them are 70's airframes at the end of their lifespans and about to be replaced. My planefu is in service but we pulled our cooler jets decades ago.
>footage of the Russian strategic bombers fucking over ISIS
Ask and you shall receive. Fullback a cute. A CUTE.
>that fucking payload
Severe short-sightedness and an air force that doesn't even have any jet fighters.
>drop the bombs one at a time
>dump all of it at once
This is good.
>Also, is thrust vectoring that big a deal, or is it unnecessary beyond stunts?
It's useful in that it makes turns more efficient, using thrust to vector the aircraft into the airstream rather than relying entirely on drag inducing surfaces. Basically in normal aircraft you have elevators trying to turn the aircraft one way and the engines trying to push it another; in a thrust vectored aircraft both the elevators and engines can turn the aircraft simultaneously. Functionally this means tighter turns and losing less energy in manoeuvrers.
What a shame. Rafale is the sexiest gen 4++ fighter.
>why doesn't the US buy Russian fighters?
So this is going to be a relatively nationalistic answer, but it's the best one I can give. Frankly, the US spends more per single military unit than any other world power or military supplier. That's not an average, either. Every ground troop, fighter, sub, carrier, MRAP, etc. is outfitted with a much higher budget in mind. And frankly, that money translates directly into quality. Up to a certain point of course, which is min/maxed.
So in short, US units>*.
In b4 /k/ or /h/ fags pulling ww1 shit on me.
I think he was just asking about red flag training
They do train with pilots and equipment from other countries though, which may include Russian equipment. The aggressor training that the us does with repainted F-5s or F-16s is more about tactics and what not then actual equipment.
I saw one of these take off once.
>working at burgerking
>he a god awful loud noise coming from airport
>see the most fat as fat ass plane taking off i'd ever seen
>will probably never see another take off ever
>citizen of a country with the best air force in the world
>can't fly because I wear glasses
Why even live