I'm your date tonight.

>>136072475
<Good>.

>>136072475
Ok, let's engage in a boring and traditional date to see how long it takes you to suspect that I'm up to something.

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No, I'm your date tonight.

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>>136072475
Witness the power of the Green Truth, able to destroy all implications, illusions, and ills of delusional minds!!

>implying Beatrice isn't best girl
>implying Erika isn't Bernsexual
>IMPLYING ERIKA ISN'T A SHIT
>IMPLYING ANY UPSTANDING MAN WOULD DATE SUCH REFUSE
>IMPLYING IMPLICATIONS


If you can't understand why your truth means nothing before the Green it's because >(YOU)'RE a FUCKING NEWFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG

>IMPLYING AHAHAHAHAHAA

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>>136073182

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>>136072475
Yes, please.

Posting best Seacat.

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>>136072475
An ERIKA thread?! What an excellent idea, I was about to make one myself.

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>>136072475
>All of a sudden I have a date tonight.
doushio

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Oh dear.
Is it that time of the week again?

>>136072475
Sorry, I don't date figments of imagination.

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>>136074469
Look at this fag

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Battler already has a date.

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Please be gentle tonight.

>>136074881
What did she mean by this?

>>136072475
Ok, I guess I'll cheat on my waifu just this once

>>136075055
>Cheating on you're waifu

You're the lowest scum

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What has been your best moment in being a seacat?

Personally I have 3 highlights. Back in 2009 helping contribute to the Manon theory which then eventually evolved. Somewhere in 2011(?) participating in the yotsumoe madness.
And finally battling it out with willard in that last post in the thread, thread.

Overall seacats are without a doubt my most memorable experience of /a/

Erika is ange.

>>136075896
Erika is love.

>>136075896
Erika is metaphysical representation of anges state of mind if she chooses to pursue the absolute truth.

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>>136075795
>And finally battling it out with willard in that last post in the thread, thread.
Those two or three anniversary threads are definitely my favorite. 2015's anniversary didn't seem that big, but I still enjoyed it.

>yotsumoe madness
I regret not participating in this one. I stopped visiting the threads when the Witch Hill song, or something like that, was found. Then it seemed too complicated to get back into. I wonder if we'll ever get more DameDame.

>Overall seacats are without a doubt my most memorable experience of /a/
Same here. Too bad the threads nowadays are so dead, even with long periods of time between them. I still believe we'll get more Umineko, or some translated Ryukishi for discussion. I bet his new manga will be fun.

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>>136076344
With so much content coming out, I'm hoping that if/when the horror VN, TRI and that new thing that was announced gets translated, the ryukishi threads will get their life back.

Naturally not enough activity to ruin the comfyness, but just enough to allow these threads to get to the 500 post mark over 2/3 days again.

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I will be your bride tonight

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>>136076905
>gets translated
I wonder if it'll ever happen. I guess we can hope Mangagamer would be up to it when the time comes.

>Naturally not enough activity to ruin the comfyness
I was initially excited for a possible Umineko anime when that Ufotable picture appeared here, but just as you're saying, this would probably ruin these threads. Considering the manga or the VN certainly wouldn't be as popular as an Umineko anime, I think it would just improve the threads.

Congratulations on your job, by the way. I'm glad you got there.

>>136077099
Does that include painful ring rape?

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>>136072475
I'd rather deito Lucifer.

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>>136077296
>>136077296
>I wonder if it'll ever happen.
In witchhunt I trust. Soon tm

>>136077296
As much as I'd love to see Chiru animated, I can't see something like Umineko being animated without putting it on 5x speed and thus ruining the pacing and making it look like an advertisement for the VN. Not to mention the horrible quality of S1 and the infamy of umineko in japan. R07's devil contract with Deen Please r07, try to get someone else for your next adaption
All signs would point to another disaster if a Chiru anime were announced. It wouldn't get any Blu ray orders either.

R07, did good, with cashing in on Higurashi by making spinoffs with the Higus in silly scenarios. Kind of following in Nasu and hollow ataraxia's footsteps of putting your popular franchise in a silly SoL setting, even though you can't really compare the 2 settings much.

Thanks mate. Turns out it was my calling. While it is a lot of paperwork, it has that fun detective side to it.

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>>136072475
I'd rather fuck Lambdadelta!

>>136078531
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a lambda

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>>136078025
Although very unlikely, they could always atleast try to make Umineko much longer. There's enough material to use, so if both Umineko and Umineko Chiru had 50 or so episodes each, I'd say it could work. Reading Umineko was fun, this could possibly work too, even with large spaces between exciting moments. I know this is impossible, but I guess I'd still enjoy waiting for a new episode with other Se/a/cats. Especially if the adaptation weren't shit.

>Please r07, try to get someone else for your next adaption
I guess we can hope Ryukishi realized Deen fucked up hard with Umineko and won't work with them anymore. Who am I kidding, of course it's going to be Deen again.

I remember talking to you about poor eyesight and your inability to go that way in career a while ago. Erika would surely be impressed.

>>136076905
The threads in /jp/ are doing quite well. I find that /a/ moves too fast for my taste.

>>136079490
And I find that JP moves too slow for my taste

>>136079490
The threads on /jp/ feel like generals. I haven't been in an Umineko thread there in a while, but the slow movement makes it seem more like a chore to come back to it rather than something that appears sometimes and is interesting immediately.

>>136072475
I'm my date tonight.

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Stupid sexy detective

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Who would you like to see as the main character if we were to get a slice of life Umineko anime or manga?

>>136078783
Bottom line. DEEN will give people the adaptions that would otherwise be impossible. Though what they did with database S2 was awful.

I still can't get my stubborn friend to read past EP 2 umineko for some reason. I keep shilling but its not working. Fuck, he said he'd do it just to read about my waifu, but he said that a month ago. How do I get him to keep reading so I can cackle at his theories?

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>>136082002
Bern. Always choose Bern

>>136082002
All you have to do is loom at the op.

Though I'd feel kinda bad for deitokun so I'd say Erika and dlanor adventures with the stakes surrounding them for random commentary

>>136082100
My friend started reading Umineko because of some videos that I uploaded, so he had some things spoiled. I guess it keeps people going if they know something crazy is going to happen at some point. He got stuck at EP4 because of Ange but then he suddenly continued. Might've been more spoilers. I know they're generally a bad thing, but it works. If you're going to do this, just don't spoil too much.

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>>136076344
I definitely enjoyed the Christmas threads.
Shame that most Seacats thread these days barely even reach 100 posts.

>>136082380
>threads
There was more than one? I remember creating one but I guess I got too drunk to notice others. There was a pretty good Christmas thread the year before that, though.

>>136072608
To be fair, his boyfriend was clearly cheating on her. She's a cute, proud and loyal girl, who had the disgrace of serve the second biggest bitch in the universe.

>>136083809
Well, obviously that guy is trash. But I'd do it just to fuck with her while still taking the relationship completely seriously.

>>136083809
Oh man. I remember, getting in a heated argument whether or not her bf cheated on her or not since it only was implied through subjective evidence
Fun times

>>136083988
I prefer to imagine that he actually wasn't, because of dramatic irony.

>>136082002
Gohda. I've always had a weird fondness for Gohda. In fact, I'm still waiting on a battle scene with him.

Do you remember one of those side stories Ryu-chan wrote? I think it was about Battler finally becoming GM and all these characters like Kumasawa and Gohda coming up to him asking if they could have a cool fight scene like the other characters. I think Gohda was asking for a cool fight scene where the murderer walked in on him in the kitchen while preparing a delicious dinner and then Gohda would pick up a pan and say something cool like "I CAN'T LOSE IN THE KITCHEN!!" and this amazing fight music by zts would play. I love the idea of that. Anyone remember which side story that was from?

>>136082002
Ange because she's the only one who's still alive.

>>136084406
It's Tsubasa's Game Master Battler.

>>136084448
>he doesn't want to watch ghosts go to school and do regular activities

>>136084461
Thanks, I just found it and I'm rereading it. There's some good stuff in there for fans of the slightly overlooked characters.

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I finally finished this fucking thing after a month of avoiding these threads as someone told me to. From what I got, Shannon killed everyone because Battler stood her up, Natsuhi kind of tried to kill her, and it was that time of the month or whatever motivates women, and Kanon was probably made up(Yet was somehow seen by the rest of the family, writing that off as a disguise or mass hysteria). I am kind of suprised that instead of going the whole "Face your problems, escapism is bad mmmkay?" route, it did the exact opposite with some Life of Pi tier horeshittery. Maybe I am just too euphoric, but I liked the trick ending much more. It would have been fun to watch Ange live a life of intellectual rape, but sadly the only way to unlock the tea party is to go with the sappy magic route. Time to read Tsubasa then.

>>136084722
You are on the path of TRUTH anon. Do not let anyone posting fedoras stray you from the TRUTH

>>136083988
Subjective evidence? Erika in the game board was broken, I admit that, however, with the "subjective evidence" she presented anyone short of an autist could clearly see the bf was a cheating asshole. You can't blame her for not believing him saying "I love you" which that much circumstantial evidence.

Sorry for the autism outburst, but Umineko threads always make me want to argue shit.

>>136084448
She got killed by a chink

>>136084405
Same. It always seemed like Eri was nitpicking. I am a /u/ faggot and kind of wanted Dlanor to win in that case.

>>136084850
The trick ending was the edgy fedora tipping ending, desu senpai

>>136084871
I agree with you fully.

What I remember the other anon argued that her thinking that she was being cheated on while in fact she wasn't, served some sort of a narration point. Hell if I know. All you have to do is look at the evidence and its clear to see that he most likely cheated on her.

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>>136085104
I guess that it shows that she crushes all dreams, even to her own detriment. It highlights that she is sad and pathetic person who acts the way she does in order to compensate, but at least she gets a happy ending.

>>136085104
It's been awhile since I read it, but I'm pretty sure most of the "evidence" was easily explained.

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>136085036
>he still uses buzzwords to refute the painful truth.

There is no golden land.
There is no magic.
Battler never loved Beatrice
They all died.
It's a tragedy with no happy ending

>>136085170
She's the witch of TRUTH for a reason. Lies, even if they are white, aren't allowed in her dictionary.

>>136085181
Induction, not deduction is the keyword here.

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>>136072475
Wait, hold up. I thought I was supposed to be going on a date with two cute girls.

>>136085692
If only Erika hadn't alienated Dlanor completely by the end of episode 5. It would have been so cute.

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Fun times with Erika.

>>136085290
Sure it was a tragedy. But how that tragedy is seen changes the story from a psychopath serial killings story to a tale about overcoming said tragedy and moving on. The golden land, and magic are the same as the version of paradise of all religions across the time in the world. It might or not exist, but the story isn't for the departed, but for the ones who were left behind.

You can't prove Battler never loved Beatrice. Heck, you can't prove no one survived. In the magic ending Battler survived. Considering how shifty the meta is, Beatrice could have done the same. Heck, by using devil's proof, you can only prove Maria's death at the end of the catbox.

Happy ending is subjective here, is what I'm saying. Magic ending was a happy ending in my book.

>>136086627
This has been my profile picture for two years.

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Beatrice left behind a hill of sadness and tragedy. Yes ange learned to cope with it, but just because some loony decided to enact their favourite novel in real life (possibly)

Something happened to the ushiromiya family, everyone who survived had their lives destroyed because of said event.
Now if that isn't tragedy then I don't know what is.

>>136087353
<GOOD>

>>136075795
I loved when dreamenddischarger first played.

When will the new game release?

>>136087756
Which one?

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Resurrected replayer > Lastendconductor > dreamenddischarger > worldenddominator > liberatedliberator > the executioner > mirage coordinator

>>136087996
I'm not going to rank them at all
they're all good

>>136082002
Jessica and Maria

120 episode anime animated by Ufotable with Hans zimmer doing his renditions of the soundtracks.
Figs for every character.

A goat can dream can't he?
please don't die.

>>136089243
>Figs for every character
This is what hurts the most. I have no problem with garage kits, been airbrushing since I played Warhammer at 14, but the few that there are have been out of production. I would love another anime to cover Chiru. Sadly it will never happen now that everyone has forgotten about Umineko.

>>136089243
A 12 episode anime for each chapter
By ufotable
directed by shinbou or ikuhara
1 episode every two weeks to assure production quality.

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>>136089371
Are you the one that made those deformed Rudolf and Krauss figs that I saw quite a while ago?

>>136082002
Erika

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Oh man, what is this empty feeling I'm feeling?

>>136089770
No
Pics?

>>136082002
Eva with her siblings

No stupid manufactured silly shit either, a good, entertaining canon look through their lives as kids and young adults

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Erika a cute! A CUTE!

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>>136089900
Sorry, I didn't save the image back then, but looking for it I found this.

Stop staring you sick individuals.

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>>136089986
That she is.

>>136089371
I would jump at the chance for a Bernkastel fig.

I already have a black cat named Rika.

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I'm gonna marry Satan!

>>136087996
>executioner that low
>lastendconductor that high

Besides that, I agree. They're all excellent though so its hard to rate them.

>>136084722
I also finished it recently and to be honest I kind of agree. I was really surprised with the direction it took with Ange's acceptance of magic. I still chose the magic ending, mostly just because I wanted to honor Battler's wishes.

I still need to let it sit and collect me thoughts a bit more on it before I really decide how I feel about the magic vs truth thing I think.

>>136072475
In my head you've been my date for the night for the past 6 years. I've enjoyed each and every one of them.

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>>136090743
For me, at first I was full on Erika mode after finishing, finding Battlers idea of magic completely nonsensical, but as time passed I slowly started to understand the other side better.

While still on Erikas side of the fence, I can see the other side and understand where they're coming from.

>>136072475
DOES THIS GIRL DO ANAL?

>>136091044
I think I would have chosen the magic option more quickly if they just tried to sell it as "The truth doesn't matter if you have to waste your life trying to learn it, its better to let go." than magic. I mean thats kind of what it is already, but putting that under the guise of magic kind of put me off.

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>>136091182
Personally I feel like it's always to look at the truth directly and let your thick skin absorb the impact of the truth, instead of trying to escape it.

It's at least how I see it. Naturally with umi you can counter me by saying
>But you never know that's the whole point
where as I would say, yes, but you can always know to a certain certainty.

>>136091410
>Personally I feel like it's always to look at the truth directly and let your thick skin absorb the impact of the truth, instead of trying to escape it.

I agree, but in the case of umineko there's really no way to learn what the truth really was. Although, instead of making up your own comfortable "truth" which is what I thought Battler was implying, I'd say just give up. There's really not much differentiation between the two, but the fedora tipper inside me just can't accept the "personal truth" thing.

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>>136091182
Same. It really came down to which was the more rational decision. Sure Ange shouldn't have killed herself over that truth, but it doesn't mean that she has to live in blissful ignorance.
Also
>Desktop PCs like that in 1986

>>136091630
That looks like a tv to me.

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>>136091708
Well, now I am going to get flamed

>>136091732
You have a pretty cool wallpaper bro!

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Anyone have the original?

>>136084722
I recommend reading the episode 8 manga. It adds some new content that makes everything much more clear.

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>>136091630
I don't think it should be called "blissful ignorance"
Her whole state of mind in episode 4 on can certainly be called that. But in the magic end it's more of a blind hope. Whether Battler was alive or dead at that point didn't effect anything. It her thoughts on the truth, not the truth itself that effected her life, turning her into a writer. Like the catbox Battler could be alive or dead. So while I search for him I'll believe he's alive.

>>136094503
So having an optimistic outlook rather than assuming the worst like Erika? That makes sense.

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I want to make Erika-chan cry!

Reading this for the first time and I just got done episode 5.
i-it will be all daijoubu, right?
I don't like this Erika chick. I want Bern and Lambda to fuck off already.

>>136094549
I think Erika is on the right track, but she assumes too much. There is a one truth, but you can only see it once you open the catbox. Was Battler alive or dead? In her rush to find the truth, Erika and "trick" Ange assumes nobody survived Rokenjima. She's desperate to find the one truth and believed the catbox had already been opened with the truth right there for the taking. It isn't exactly about pessimism or optimism. "Magic Ange" wasn't hasty about finding a conclusion and understood that the catbox actually hadn't been opened yet. All she knew was Battler was alive or he was dead. So she naturally chose the better Battler.

In the end Ange didn't chose blissful ignorance. She just understood that the truth was unstable and made a choice about what to believe.

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>>136094987
You have to learn to love them.
Look for the heart, everyone has a "why" to their actions. And I'd argue it's not just boredom.

>>136094987
>I don't like this Erika chick

AWWWW, THATS TOOO BAAAAD
Smirking_Erika.jpg

>>136094987
LEAVE

SPOILERS

DONT REPLY TO THIS POST

>>136095436
Delete this

>>136095309
To be fair, in their case boredom is actually a reason that makes sense. It doesn't make them any less evil of course, but it is a motivation that makes sense.

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>>136095436
Don't open the catbox, please keep this terrible truth sealed up.
Gohda killed everyone with stomach bombs

I read through the manga's part 8 as that one anon recommended. So Shannon was actually a dude, who got his dick ripped off, and was raised as a girl for no apparent reason? How did they even fuck that up? I understand that Genji was gay to the point where Ronove's nosebleeds turn into roses and that the first thing he thought of when Yasu grew up was Kinzo forcing him to wear a dress while vigorously fucking him in the asshole while screaching OH BEATRICE as per usual for bald old men, leading him to hide the child's survival, but that doesn't make him queer to the point where he would raise a dude as a lady. Surely he would have known the baby's sex, was it done to explain why Yasu had a gaping hole where his dick should be? I assumed that the injury in the VN just made it look like Shannon had a c-section, forcing George to drop her as used goods.

>>136095765
You keep calling them Shannon, but Shannon is not necessarily the dominant personality in the Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice clusterfuck.

Genji probably enrolled them as a girl to honor the idea that they were another reincarnation of Beatrice. Or something. To be honest I have no idea why Genji would do that but thats the only thing I can think of.

>>136094987
>I want Bern and Lambda to fuck off already.
>and Lambda
You need to fuck off (and keep reading)
Lambda is love, Lambda is life.

>>136095648
It does make sense. But it's kind of hard to accept something so simple. What do you think of these motives?

Lambda is the obvious love/obsession with Bern due to her backstory which is different from boredom. For Bernkastel it's an elaborate theatrical play put on to wake her old friend Featherine from her sleep. There's nothing that states this, but indicators like "I don't want to play the villain next time" and Bernkastel picking up the villain role only when Beatrice fails her job, Featherine awakening after that. Why did Bern pick up the supposed failure Ange and put her in the game? Only to be picked up as Featherine's assistant after. etc.

>>136095765
Duude.
What?

>>136091147
So you want her to rape your asshole instead of your dick?
That's gay, anon-kun.

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>>136094987
Don't open this image. It's the single truth of everything.

>>136089770
Those Lucifers.

>>136096173
Eating rugs of course

>>136096173
>I wonder what witches do when they're not playing games.

In the case of Bern and Lambda probably having guro sex with each other.

Does anyone have the Okonogi culprit theory saved? I want it.

Post'em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAKkw71ff3U

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>>136096173
I imagine Lambda living like a hikki. And then she goes and crashes at Bern's. Bernkastel is writing up some argument for the magical senate and Lambda drops in to read manga and munch candy on her bed.
And then you add a whole other layer of comedy when Featherine gets bored and visits, making them say/do whatever she wants.

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>>136096429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi3eAjB_LcA

I like to put this on and kick back in my chair and just relax.

>>136096429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIcCKuA8ns

Makes me feel like a sorcerer.

That means it's time for daterape.

>>136096429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiUjogfu2Kw
The untz never gets old

>>136096429

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5qEU7Q6lg0

I really love the PS3 OP but if its gotta be BGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJRCwLKspA&index=103&list=PL54DB870D10722767

>>136096635
The Pachinko machine?

>>136096546
Very nice, I really like this vocal version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2CDlfKJnA

>>136096429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbhPq4pGn8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICKoZ18zHk

>>136096687
I know it counts even less, but I have always liked the opening to Ougon Musou Kyoku Cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZK0j8Kg4bY
It's almost like actual chuuni shit!

I want to rape Erika while making fun of her body.

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I wonder if the Horurabi manga will have a scene like that but with a character from Seacats.

>>136096844
By the way, was chapter 0 ever scanned?

>>136096913
Nope. It's published on a magazine that isn't very popular.

>>136096844
Wouldn't be surprised if we got a dame da from Battler or a cackle from Beatrice.

assuming they get some sort of cameo of course

>>136096963
I don't know if any Umineko exclusive characters made it off of the gameboard other than Erika, who was hanging out with the two voyager witches in another fragment at the very end. I can imagine that there will be equivalents somewhere down the line.

>>136096844
Well, we already know it has Takano in it.

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Name a better male character.

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>>136097089
He's OK

>>136097089
Battler and Ronove we both pretty based. Willard was pretty great too.

Even though there weren't many male meta characters the few that there was were pretty awesome.

>>136097181
>Willard was pretty great too
He was just an edgy faggot with his fucking katana.

>>136097200
You're just saying buzzwords, you can apply shit like that to almost everyone

>Bern was just an edgy mary sue with her fucking scythe

I don't actually believe that of course, but still. Statements like that don't mean anything.

>>136097239
Bern was the fun kind of edgy.
Will was the bad kind of edgy.

>>136096429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuRRe1moVhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85zQLOMlUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dgUf8VHd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXv-h5WIMms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG3MJpnt1gA

>>136097272
t. Edge Major

>>136097272
Though I don't neccesarily agree with you, your statement is entirely correct about the fun part. I found myself laughing way too much when the witches were laughing, especially near the end of episode 5 where they enact their elaborate scheme to frame Natsuhi.

>>136097167
I remember coming up to this and laughing my ass off.

Kind of like when I found the chair in Tsukihime.

Damn, Rosa might have been BEST MOM EVER, but she really did become the best mom ever on the end of Ep 2

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>>136097200
I like to think of Will as a kind of personification of the typical American detective. He's super competent and he doesn't always agree with his own rules. It kind of feels cliche and too competent compared to the other cast, but that's your typical detective main character for you. I think Erika would be a female Will if you took all the crazy out of her.

>>136075028
walk her home gently

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>>136097272
Thats just a matter of opinion. I thought they were both entertaining.

I will say that at first I was put off by Will. Thats mostly having two new characters introduced so late in the story (Will and Lion) with such unique design was a little weird at first. My first impression of them was that of fanfiction characters essentially. Especiall with Lions "Im a new member of the Ushiromiya family" introduction.

By the end of episode 7 I grew to like them though. Nothing is inherently wrong with edginess.

>>136097305
>Those bells at the start of Resurrected Replayer

You knew shit was going down.

>>136097505
They've also got some good chemistry together. I think I would've liked either character less if they were introduced alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKdNWrySMT0

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DINDINGDINGDINGDING CREEEEEAK *squelching noises followed by cackle*

>>136097674
<Good!> <Good!>

>>136097674
>DINDINGDINGDINGDING CREEEEEAK

why are the main menu noises always so FUCKING LOUD

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>>136097674
HAHAHAHAHA *Dripping sound*

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>>136097674
There's a kind of dark charm that's created when the comedy scenes and the horror scenes have the same sound effects and I fucking love it.

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She's the best!

>>136097798
What is she doing back there?

>>136097896
Just checking for aliens

>>136097896
They're trying to move a sofa but he stopped to answer a call and now she's just standing there holding the sofa and she's not very happy about it.

>>136097964
I hate it when that happens, especially when it is Ikea furniture
I hope that Rena is better afterwords

>>136097896
She was about to walk him on him having phone sex

Why is Erika so ugly? Is it the shitty haircut or a stupid smug smile?

>>136098033
There is litterally nothing wrong with twintails

I will concede that she looks a little too much like Pepe in OP's picture though

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>>136091965
Do you mean this?

>>136098832
God fucking damn it.

Where the fug did they keep Kinzo's corpse. Was it literally kept in the boiler room so it could be incinerated at a moments notice?

>>136100754
>>136100837

Fug. Continuing, since I'm rereading currently, what the heck was Sayo doing during the 3rd game. Eva solved the riddle so she should've stopped the murders and turned off the bomb. Instead she sat around watching Eva kill her family and she still wasted Nanjo in the end.

I'm a goat so pls help

>>136101089
Thats a good point.

I have no idea.

>>136101089
>>136101597
It's been a while, but isn't it up to the person that finds the gold to do whatever they want as the new family head? Evatrice was a big deal in EP3 and even though she was faking it, Beato tried to make her take a different approach.

>>136101692
Are you trying to say that Eva got Yasu to kill Nanjo? I guess that makes sense.

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>>136101089
Don't worry, no one has been able to solve this problem either.
Why would she kill Nanjo? Oh sure, you can create some motive relating it to ep 7, but she has no real reason to kill him at the end when it is completely not ceremonial, like the closed room murders. How did she not know Eva solved the riddle? How did she not notice Eva and Rosa leave the mansion? What was she doing all this time? Remember, everyone was hidding in the small guest house, not the mansion.

Funny enough it's also the red Eva-Beatrice said that no human would ever be able to solve. The 'who killed Nanjo'. A contradiction of two reds. Beatrice promises that the person killing will no longer kill anymore after the Epitaph is solved, yet the solution for solving the red requires the murderer to kill after the Epitaph is solved.

How odd, isn't it?

>>136101731
How does it make sense? When did Eva 'get Yasu to kill Nanjo'? What evidence do you have, or are you fabricating evidence to make theories fit?
Remember, Battler was next to Eva the hole time after the first few murders.

Does Ange's Back/forward story matter at all?

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Indeed, a true unsolved mystery, as Eva-Beatrice claimed.

>>136101950
The first time reading, it's a bore since you don't care about her and simply want to go back to the murders. Upon rereading, it's very valuable and is the core of Umineko.

Here's a fun question, how many confession take place in ep 7?

>>136102084
Kinzo's, Rosa's, Claire's?

>>136102220
Yes, and Maria.
Don't you think it's funny that Rosa confessed again in ep 7? Even Will dismisses her confession, saying he already heard it before. Why would Ryukishi07 retell Rosa's confession again? Isn't it also funny how Rosa's confession happens multiple times across gameboards, as though the killer/writer of the forgeries know that the confession is a certainty.

Actually fuck the third game in general. I took it as Sayo being AFK from killing since the riddle was solved which means everything post 1st twilight was Eva/Hideyoshi.

So Eva iced her own son just because but trusted Sayo enough to give her a gun and tell her to kill Nanjo? Why not blow Sayo's brains out? The only purpose in doing the Nanjo kill is so Meta-Battler can cry about it, it has fuck all to do with anything on the gameboard.

And if the Nanjo kill wasn't Eva's idea it seems pretty weird. Maybe Sayo just wanted to sit with Jessica as Kanon until they all exploded. A final fuck you to everything else.

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>>136102343
Indeed, it is very silly. The gameboard has no effect on the meta. Meta-pieces are just observers and the game does not effect them nor do they seek an effect on them.

>Maybe Sayo just wanted to sit with Jessica as Kanon until they all exploded.
Ah, but why kill Nanjo then? And why not also kill Jessica, why care at all? Jessica was killed many times in the past without remorse. Yet now she wants to sit next to Jessica for the end? Don't you think that's a contradiction of behavior?

>>136102339
>as though the killer/writer of the forgeries know that the confession is a certainty.
That makes sense, but Rosa's confession wasn't a big deal, was it? It was just the Kuwadorian meeting and that Beatrice's death.

>>136102571
>Ah, but why kill Nanjo then?
Not that anon, but it could be a change of heart. Realizing Eva solved the epitaph, she had to stop herself, stop Beatrice. To effectively do that, she killed Nanjo, because he was her accomplice. When Beatrice stopped existing, George was already dead so she might've wanted to become Kanon because Jessica was still around.

>>136102571
>contradiction of behavior
Well the third game is a forgery and also a completely different situation to the other games, with Sayo's rampage being stopped before even the second twilight. Wanting to spend her final moments alone with someone she loved, as Kanon at least, seems plausible.

Who has the better remake art; Umineko or Higurashi?

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>>136102343
>The only purpose in doing "insert thing here" is so Meta-Battler can cry about it, it has fuck all to do with anything on the gameboard.

That kind of happens a lot

>>136102571
>Don't you think that's a contradiction of behavior?

That kind of happens a lot.

Not that the Nanjo murder is any less ridiculous though, its probably the most extreme example of those two things.

>>136096542
same

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>>136102689
>Rosa's confession wasn't a big deal,
Of course not, it was completely irrelevant, had zero impact on the story, did not advance the plot. It's merely a side note of little notice.
If it wasn't a big deal, why was it added in ep 7?

>it could be a change of heart.
It doesn't work like that. Beatrice keeps her promises. Solve the Epitaph and murders stop. Her murders stop at least.

Again, why care to be with Jessica if in another gameboard, Beatrice killed Jessica without a care? You are twisting facts to fit theories rather than doing the other way around. A killer cannot kill someone and not feel anything then also feel something for said person to not kill them.

>>136102739
Umineko by far.

I never get sick of all of the deleted posts

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>>136102739
The sprites im Umineko seem much more professional.

>>136102941
>Beatrice killed Jessica without a care?
Because Beatrice stopped existing as a murderer when she realized Eva solved the epitaph. Considering Nanjo is her accomplice, her tool and furniture, killing him means stopping Beatrice. Kanon gives a shit about Jessica while Beatrice is able to kill without remorse.

>>136103053
>killing him means stopping Beatrice
>to stop being a murder, one must murder
Battler, stop hiding behind Ikuko.

Also, there are no personalities, only one person acting, so you are wrong. Again, twisting facts to fit theories rather than the opposite.

>>136103053
Also, you are incorrect, solving the Epitaph means stopping Beatrice, as Meta Beatrice explained.

So many twisting of facts.

>>136103053
Plus, what proof do you have that 'killing an accomplice' means stopping Beatrice?
Did you just make that up? Did you think it made sense? Or did you think it was simply the only possibly theory?

The fact is that Sayo killed Nanjo. Instead of simply dismissing it as pointless or lazy writing, try and think why Sayo would do such a thing, so late in the game.

>>136103295
>this person is obvious the murder, instead of simply dismissing it by requiring more proof or alibi, try and think why the murder would do such a thing
Because imaginary motives are proofs. Why provide evidence for something, it's a fact! Why even think, that's just silly.

>>136091965
I love Natsuhi's space-hair.

>>136103008
Yeah, it's so calming. There's something very beautiful about it.

>>136103140
>Also, there are no personalities, only one person acting
That one person we're talking about has issues. A change of heart for someone with multiple personalities doesn't sound like a problem to me, especially if she can't control it herself.

>>136103235
Solving the epitaph means stopping Beatrice, but if Beatrice doesn't know about it, she won't magically stop.

>>136103291
>Did you just make that up?
Of course.
>implying it's not reasonable

>>136103388
Who the fuck else is going to do it.

>>136096495
I use this, dead angle, discolor, and a few others as soundtrack for playing Tragedy Looper on the rare occasion that I can rope some friends into it.

>>136103447
>if Beatrice doesn't know about it
Provide evidence that Beatrice doesn't know about it. Devil proof. As you said, solving the epitaph stops Beatrice, there is no but. Red truths confirm rules and events within gameboards. Solving the Epitaph stops Beatrice from committing more murders.
If there is a but, it means that solving the epitaph means that it doesn't stop Beatrice. A contradiction. The red is no longer a red.

Are you saying Beatrice broke her promise?

>>136103523
>lack of suspects means this the only possible suspect
Did the humiliation of Erika in ep 5 of claiming Natsuhi was the culprit not stop you? Don't stop thinking. It's fine if you think only Shannon can do it, it's as far as you can think.
You must provide incriminating evidence to make claims, not lack of proof.

>>136101797
Since Eva was alone when she first discovered the gold room, couldn't she have met Beatrice then and formed a plan with her?

Episode 7 indicated that Beatrice gets really apathetic after the epitaph is solved. It seems reasonable that Eva, drunk on gold, could decide to off the family and recruit Beatrice's help to "carry out the ritual".

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>Go to sleep
>Somehow thread still up when I wake up
This is the real magic.
At least I truly see.

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>>136103895
>Since Eva was alone when she first discovered the gold room, couldn't she have met Beatrice then and formed a plan with her?
Why make plans? Epitaph solved, Beatrice no longer exist. No more murders from Beatrice. Why would Beatrice accept any plan to commit murder?
Provide evidence that Eva met Beatrice and formed a plan. You are desperately clinging to a theory without any evidence.

Plus, if you want a hint, when did Eva become Eva-Beatrice? Or, if you need a bigger hint, when did Eva get the ring? The meta gives you a clue. Eva did meet Beatrice, just not in the gold room. The meta and the real world can cross paths when in parallel.

>Episode 7 indicated that Beatrice gets really apathetic after the epitaph is solved.
No, Ep 7 tea party indicates that even with Lion being alive, tragedy would not be averted.

>It seems reasonable that Eva, drunk on gold, could decide to off the family and recruit Beatrice's help to "carry out the ritual".
Indeed, riches can truly make any person go completely insane. Such a simple answer. Or perhaps you forgot that moment when both Eva and Rosa did not shoot each other, as they both agreed that killing for the gold would be stupid. But I guess Eva just changed her mind on that, riiiiiight?

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>>136104100
It feels like you missed the point of the story a bit. Umineko is intentionally full of ambiguity. Evidence is important, but in the absence of evidence, tossing around plausible theories is a valid approach.

> Why would Beatrice accept any plan to commit murder?

Eva solved the epitaph, she is the head of the family and lord of Rokkenjima.

>No, Ep 7 tea party indicates that even with Lion being alive, tragedy would not be averted.

Both that and my point are unambiguously indicated in Ep 7 tea party, they aren't mutually exclusive.

>Indeed, riches can truly make any person go completely insane. Such a simple answer. Or perhaps you forgot that moment when both Eva and Rosa did not shoot each other, as they both agreed that killing for the gold would be stupid. But I guess Eva just changed her mind on that, riiiiiight?

Again, not cut and dry, just a possibility. And lying to get the trust of the woman pointing a gun at you is a pretty reasonable thing to do. Eva gains nothing from dying together with Rosa, but she stands to gain a lot from getting Rosa's trust and backstabbing her later.

>>136104300
I think it is you who missed the point of Umineko and detective fiction in general. Tossing around plausible theories is a valid approach, since everyone is allowed their own interpretation of events, as stated in red by one of the Knox. However, theories do not become fact without evidence.

>Eva solved the epitaph, she is the head of the family and lord of Rokkenjima.
How does that relate to making Beatrice commit murder? Do I have to repeat myself that after the Epitaph is solved, Beatrice no longer exists and murders by her stop. There is no afterwards, murders by her stop. This has been stated in red and the red is absolute.

>And lying to get the trust of the woman pointing a gun at you is a pretty reasonable thing to do.
And it's also a possibility, one that you ignore, that Eva would not kill for money.

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About the whole truth vs magic debate, I think its important to show that there is always a heart behind the perception of reality.

People who cruelly use "the truth" as a tool to cut down people's perceived happiness or to undermine their values and sense of self are just as guilty of ignoring reality as anyone.

Take for example the case against Natsuhi in Ep.5. It made logical and simplistic sense to have a Natsuhi culprit theory because we knew she was already guilty of hiding the death of Kinzo. The fact that she was a faithful wife who was only trying to protect her family was ignored as immaterial and irrelevant because it go in the way of the "truth". Destroying her pride by use the red truth of Kinzo never trusting or respecting her was horrifically cruel and destructive and had no bearing on the fact that Natsuhi BELIEVED it and therefor should have been a mitigating factor in her motive.

The literal, objective, red truth does not judge and does not make assumptions or implications pasts its own scope, however intellectual rapists like Erika wield it as such while ignoring hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

For example, you could use the red truth to prove that humans don't have independent personalities or free will due to everything being the cause or result from a previous state. You could prove that we aren't even the same people today that we were yesterday because cells, memories, and neural pathways are not identical to our previous states.

The objective, undeniable truth certainly does exist, however it is only to beings who live above and outside our world. We can only glimpse a tiny fragment of the truth through the lens of a human, including their hopes, dreams, love, and beliefs. To discount all of it as irreverent in the search of "truth" is just convenient hypocrisy to carry out your own objective and paint reality as you personally see it.

TLDR: The sea can be blue even if its grey.

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>>136104475
>The objective, undeniable truth certainly does exist

>>136104457
>And it's also a possibility, one that you ignore, that Eva would not kill for money.

Eva does kill for money you absolute fucking sperg. She shoots Battler through the chest.

>>136104574
>she killed Battler, obviously it was for money, why else would she kill him???
All you've shown was that Eva killed Battler but not her motives. There is no need to be rude and call me names, evidence is very hard to grasp but theories and ideas are a dime a dozen. Do not falter and keep thinking.

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>>136104457
Why are you acting like I'm stating anything as absolute fact? Obviously, there are many implicit possibilities, but expecting me to list every single one of them is unreasonable and silly.

>How does that relate to making Beatrice commit murder? Do I have to repeat myself that after the Epitaph is solved, Beatrice no longer exists and murders by her stop. There is no afterwards, murders by her stop. This has been stated in red and the red is absolute.

1: The ritual murders carried out by Yasu-Beatrice stop. Yasu doesn't cease to exist as a person if she drops the Beatrice persona.

2: Gohda is willing to assist in murder in his duties as Ushiromiya furniture. The same could very well apply to Yasu in service to the new head of the house.


Again, these are POSSIBILITIES. I'm not actively denying any theories or stating these as fact. Don't be a goat about this.

>>136104545
Objective truth can exist as a concept or idea that we know to be as such, while *effectively* being subjective do the fact that we are working parts of the whole and by definition cannot see the full picture while being part of said picture.

You can't know the universe without becoming a witch or god and leaving it. For example, when you watch The Little Mermaid, even though you KNOW with 100% certainty that Ariel will always chose to become human, would you deny that Ariel had the free will to chose not to? In the context of her universe she is an independent character that makes her own decisions, even though as theatergoers we know she is destined to do the exact same thing no matter how many times we rewatch it.

We have the independent objective truth only because we are outside that universe. No one inside the universe can have a perfect understanding of the truth.

>>136104702
Subjectivity and ambiguity are basically the core of the entire Seacats narrative. It's strange how that seems to go completely over some people's heads.

>>136104475
>The sea can be blue even if its grey.
The sea doesn't have any color, it's transparent. You're nothing but meat, without importance, just like the own life. Magic doesn't exist, just like love, and the truth is the only thing that matters in this world.

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>>136104742

>>136104642
>Yasu doesn't cease to exist as a person if she drops the Beatrice persona.
I did not claim that, Beatrice stops killing. You must prove that this 'Beatrice persona' exist and that 'dropping it' lets Shannon commit murder. You have not and it is dismissed.

>Gohda is willing to assist in murder in his duties as Ushiromiya furniture.
No proof of such a thing existing. At best, you can claim that because Godha was with Shannon and Kanon in ep 2, that he is an accomplice. But this is not enough proof to suggests that he is an accomplice or that he helped to commit murder. You also lack evidence to suggest that by being the head of the house, Godha will listen and follow orders. Godha is not Genji.

Possibilities does not mean that they are truths. Because, hey, it's also possible that the moon landing never happened, right? If you aren't stating these as fact, you should also provide a counterpoint.

You are claiming something without anything to back it up.

>>136104741
And yet, objectivity is also a key element, something that is also thrown out the window when convenient.

>>136104786
>Godha is not Genji.
Also, to further this point, not even Genji follows orders. In ep 2, Genji was willing to fight Beatrice. How funny that the robot servant will defy the head of the house.

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>>136104785

>>136104642
>that pic
It always bothers me that Lion is shown with blonde straight hair but we know from the manga that Sayo ends up with wavy, brown hair.

>>136104742
>truth is the only thing that matters in this world.
Truth having any sort of merit of value over lies and ignorance is a sack of meat's philosophical opinion, fampai. By your own blade you cut your own lifeline to reality and fall into the abyss like other foolhardy "witches".

>>136104786
I am not quite sure of your argument because I couldn't go back all those comments, but Yasu has shown that when the epitaph is solved, she basically becomes a lifeless doll and does whatever the person wishes.

The narrative in Ep.3 seems to show a game-board in which Eva solves the epitaph, is explained how to "Beatrice" by Yasu and is left to her own devices but at some point is betrayed by Yasu who decides to revive Shannon, kill George, and in general just cause other impossible shenanigans in order to preserve the legend of the witch.

I know this isn't really supposed to happen when someone solves the epitaph, but isn't Ep.3 a Tohya creation? Its also possible that Yasu wasn't aware that Eva and Rosa found the gold and therefor continued the ritual as expected. Or perhaps even Eva gave instruction like "assist me in carrying out the epitaphs to cover my ass" and since Yasu is pretty much dead and emotionless at this point, killed people like George because Eva didn't tell her not to.

>>136104786
Whoops, I mixed up Gohda and Genji's names. Sorry.

I don't know if you are intentionally or accidentally ignoring what I said about all of these being possibilities, not fact.

Try not to do that in the future, its not so fun debating things with someone who just tactically ignores the parts of your argument that are inconvenient for them.

>>136105059
I am simply showing that you have no basis or evidence for your theories.

>Yasu has shown that when the epitaph is solved, she basically becomes a lifeless doll and does whatever the person wishes.
Oh, and when does this happen?

>betrayed by Yasu
You are using the meta as evidence. I am not dismissing your attempts to try and find some meaning to the meta, but by no means can it ever be considered proof or a hint of what is happening. For example, was George truly dead? Nanjo checked the body but Battler did not see if George was truly dead.
Why would Yasu care about preserving the legend of the witch after the Epitaph is solved?

>Its also possible that Yasu wasn't aware that Eva and Rosa found the gold and therefor continued the ritual as expected
Devil proof. Yasu could have also been aware the whole time. How could she not be aware? What was she doing? Was she sleeping in the rose garden in the rain?

>>136105059
The truth only leads to a feeling of emptiness, it's true, but that void is the face of truth. Our lives are nothing, what is a heart anyway? an empty space in the nothingness of the universe without any kind of importance. You're nothing. You're nothing but an animal trained to act like a human being, you're a pig in disguise with a hole in your chest. You're shit, just like God. This is the truth, is not beautiful and refreshing?

>>136105339
Truth is gratifying. Proving links of causality makes you a God.

>>136105256
>Oh, and when does this happen?
Have you not finished Chiru or something? I am pretty sure its a major part of Ep.7. You literally see the family solving the epitaph together and Beatrice calmly explains things to them and says to do what they will. She sits soulless on the bed and tells them to do as they will with her since she lost the game. If you don't think she would mindless follow direction but WOULD allow Rudolf to shoot her point blank you have some strange ideas.

>>136105256
>Devil proof
>starts some shit about George being alive

Eva legit lost her shit because both Hideyoshi and George ACTUALLY died. The only way the George thing could have taken place was Beato magic, not EVAs. EVA didn't have the servants to act as her furniture. She only had Hideyoshi initially to provide an alibi.

You can't discount the important parts of the meta. Its unambiguous that George saw a "revived" Shannon and that a servant resealed the window he left out of and that he was actually killed. His literal death was confirmed in red when EVA was fighting Battler.

Or did you not finish Ep. 3 either?

>>136105460
Indeed~

>>136105470
>I am pretty sure its a major part of Ep.7. You literally see the family solving the epitaph together and Beatrice calmly explains things to them and says to do what they will. She sits soulless on the bed and tells them to do as they will with her since she lost the game. If you don't think she would mindless follow direction but WOULD allow Rudolf to shoot her point blank you have some strange ideas.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Why the fuck are you bringing Bernkastel's created scenario into this shit? Are you for real?

Seriously? Because Beatrice is shown as not caring when the Epitaph is solved, that means that on all ACTUAL gameboards, she doesn't care what happens to her? Talk about not having proof at all.
Hell, I even heard a theory that Beatrice was never there in the flesh, it was simply the gold manifest, just like in ep 2, Beatrice was all 'YEESS YESSS BELIEVE ME' which could represent the gold, showing that Beatrice exists.

>Eva legit lost her shit because both Hideyoshi and George ACTUALLY died.
Eva losing her shit does not prove that George died. Again, Battler did not have a clear view of George being dead.

>George saw a "revived" Shannon
That is not proof and you focus too much on the meta and not enough on proof. You are using subjective interpretation of things that cannot be relied on, because different people can have different interpretation of those events, as proof.

>His literal death was confirmed in red when EVA was fighting Battler.
Red truth confirm death only confirms death, not when death occurred. Remark that the confirmation of his death happened at the end, not immediately when he was found dead. It is a loophole of the red truth.

Seriously, put more effort into actual evidence and not subjective interpretation of the meta.

>>136105729
Dude, I can't argue with you if you are just going to get epistemology regressive and try and find loopholes in the red, as well as deny anything that isn't you view of the meta.

Bern's scenario was "a truth of a sort" and I am pretty sure in the manga it was straight-out to be implied as the truth (especially when we consider Ange suicide over Eva's diary)

Even if it wasn't what literally happened, everyone in the game-board played by the rules and more-or-less in character. The only thing important to remember was that Yasu lets fate decide here destiny, so its no unreasonable to think that she would obey the person who solved the epitaph.

>Seriously, put more effort into actual evidence
Well, when the Red Truth is a "loophole" in your opinion there is little ground to argue on, unless as I said earlier it matches your personal view.

If you aren't going to trust the author and unwitnessed events in the actual story you might as well ignore the whole fucking series you stupid goat.

Also, things that happen on the gameboard that Battler doesn't directly see is NOT the meta. It is embellished but is representative of a truthfull concept or idea.

George didn't magically fly out the window, and Shannon didn't literally come back from the dead, but when you read it again knowing the truth its painfully obvious what is going on. That was the WHOLE POINT of R07 layering the story of fantasy and mystery.

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>>136105948
There isn't much to gain arguing with a goat. You can talk and talk and talk but they are just gonna chew on your shoes and poop on the rug.

>>136105948
I can't even argue when you refuse to even conceded my points. You can't even use anything from ep 1-5 as proof of anything and have to rely on the end of the story for a semblance of proof. Hell, Beatrice not caring if she's shot means she won't do anything at all, proving that she wouldn't even care to be an accomplice for murder.

>If you aren't going to trust the author and unwitnessed events in the actual story you might as well ignore the whole fucking series you stupid goat.
Jesus fuck man, even witches say that the Red isn't perfect and can be twisted. Don't give me that bullshit that I don't trust the author. You trust too much the author. You lack any goddamn skepticism.
How can you even fucking come in Umineko threads if you can't accept that the Red Truth can be bended? I just explained a loophole and you go all YOU DON'T TRUST THE AUTHOR YOU DON'T TRUST THE AUTHOR, WHAT YOU SAID IS INVALID LALALALALALALA
Like, Jesus fuck.

>things that happen on the gameboard that Battler doesn't directly see is NOT the meta
Yes, it means it cannot be trusted but it doesn't mean it should be ignored. You, however, see it as 'oh well, why ignore it, it must mean something, therefore my interpretation is proof of it'.

>>136106120
GOAT
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>>136106120
I should have listened to >>136106063

Also not sure if you realized but I am not the same anon you were arguing against earlier. I just decided to take up on a specific point of Ep.3 before you chewed my head off.

And yes, if you can't trust the author we degrade into an epistomological hell where we just shout opinions and interpretations at each other. I am not even saying you can't possibly be right, just that you aren't creating a conducive environment to prove your point while you shake down the entire foundations of the series.

Go circlejerk with that faggot who made 20 hours of Rosatrice shit

>>136106239
Except I am trusting the author you idiot. You're the one trusting too much the author. It's literally like you can't think at all and everything written in Umineko is 100% truthful.

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>>136106280
>Goat mad his waifu turned out be a eunuch schizo
>DA AUTHUR CAN LIE THOUGH, BEATO IS A REAL WOMAN I KNOW IT

Sad, tbqh

>>136106438
You know, something I find funny about humans is how we smear others when they don't agree to our viewpoints. We always have to reduce them and think of them as being completely stupid, shit and devoid of rational. Why else would they have opposite opinions from my own? He's just irrational that his waifu was a guy, of course, he doesn't see as I do!

Don't you think that's sadder? In the quest for the truth, rather than calmly debate points, we end up simply calling each other names like infants. And I'm not just talking about 4chan, science and the process of finding truth has been layered this way. There's this horrible amount of antagonizing bias towards others that we create towards others.

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>>136106562
The more you sperg out like this, the less anyone wants to talk to you about seacats.

Before you post, read what you write like 10 times and think "does this seem reasonable and rational?"

No one here is inherently biased against what you are saying or determined to shit on you. You are turning the thread against you by arguing like a child.

Get your shit together.

>>136107074
>IT'S YOUR FAULT EVERYTHING IS SHIT
>LOOK I'M NOT BEING MEAN BUT YOU'RE ARGUING LIKE A CHILD
Why would I care about getting people against me? Why do you care if I should care? You read but you don't understand what I write. Without love it cannot be seen and you only have biases. You think it's easier and better to belittle others rather than give them credence. Nothing I've written was irrational and yet you have not proven a single thing I've said to be irrational.

>>136107210
If everyone else in the room thinks you are being irrational, consider the possibility that might be in the wrong.

>>136107256
Why would I care about what the room thinks? The fuck is this, a democracy? If the room thinks I'm being irrational, then it wouldn't be hard to prove how I'm being irrational or what I've said that was wrong. But no, saying I'm irrational proves I'm irrational, because many people say it.

>>136107256
Also, that's an Argumentum ad populum. Just because everyone in the room thinks I'm irrational does not mean I am. Ever consider everyone else is irrational because they won't accept opposing views?

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>>136107256
A scientist goes into a room full of flat earthers and claims that the earth is round using proof as his basis. He is called irrational because it is self-evident that the earth is flat. Thus, the scientist considers the possibility that he might be wrong and that the earth is flat.

Maybe my point will comes across enough that people with opposing views are held in contempt? I'm not bitching that people in this thread have biases, I'm lamenting that people cannot think past what they already accept as truth. That, by itself, is one of the core messages of Umineko.

>>136096429
>discolor not posted yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4
What the fuck

>>136073139
>truth

>>136087031
Batler love cakes, Beato is a cuck. Deal with it you pleb.

>tfw you've been here long enough to know the answer to all the mysteries yet too lazy to put effort in to answering some of the misconceptions of other anons

I want seacat threads to stay, but theory posting has become so boring go me.

>>136096011
There are no split personality Shannon, Kanon, Beatrice is just some Chuuni kid playing as his/her imaginary friend. It's like an actor/actress kind of thing.

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Dude let me in, I'm a fairy.
Don't you believe in fairies?

>>136087996
dreamenddischarger = the executioner > worldenddominator > lastendconductor > liberatedliberator = Resurrected replayer > mirage coordinator

Although I like them all above anything else, I really shouldn't be ranking them.

>>136107900
>He still doesn't believe in flat earth

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>>136110702
No fairies allowed. Leave.

>>136107900
>using proof
What proof?
Can you prove without a doubt that the earth is spherical?

There is nothing as convenient as the red in real life.

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>>136110865
Science isn't about 100% certainty.
Science is about being able to explain something through controlled experiments (and theories).
If you drop a ball in the same location 100 000 times in a row, it will drop to the ground every single time. Not once will it float up in the air. Thus through theoretical calculations and controlled experiments we're able to predict with a 99% certainty what will happen to the ball once we let it go. Scientific method.

>>136111037
The purpose of science is not explaining things, but predicting them. An explanation that can't predict anything is fundamentally worthless, because you can't do anything with it.

The idea behind letting the ball drop 100 000 times in specific location is so you can predict that the ball will act the same way the 100 001th time as it acted the 100 000 times before.

Now let me ask you this:
How can you be sure that the ball will act that way the 100 001th time?

>>136111146
Statistical probability and theoretical models that explain why the ball will keep falling every time.

Still, I feel like we're going off the subject. Point is, you can never know 100%, but you can know with some certainty and that's how life works.

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Every thread.

>>136111894
I miss shroedinger

>>136112047
I think most do.

>>136097181
Battler needs to die in a ditch.

>>136111894
You forgot about
>I want to fuck Lambdadelta!
>I want to deito Lucifer.
>Rika-anon and femanon typically fucking everything up.
>Erika is love. Erika is life.

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>>136112294
To me it always looks like he's wearing a seifuku.

>>136098832
A clown? Erika?

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>>136112508
Why so serious, anon?

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>tfw no crazy genius to marry

>>136111544
>I feel like we're going off the subject
We really aren't.
If the ball doesn't do what it should even once, your theory is useless.
Do you have a way of knowing whether it will always do what you think it will or not?

>>136112968
Someday, anon. You will find your true 3D love.

Umineko was 9 years ago

>>136110702
>Batora

Yess

>>136113971
Higurashi was 34 years ago.

>>136097798
So are we all in agreement that Rena_ is by far the best girl

>>136114533
From higurashi? Yes. Though oishi comes close.

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Do not go gentle in to that good night

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>>136112238
Whats wrong with Battler?

Witches are fags, Sorcerers are where its at.

>>136115277
Crying little bomb crumpet bitch

How do I get Bernkastel to teach me to become a sorcerer of miracles?

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>>136115277

>>136116704
>find a scumbag teacher
>let her trap you in your most miserable fragment and forget about you
>???
>profit

>>136087996
I'm not in the mood to listen to them all. But it's probably

liberatedliberator > the executioner >>>

discolor/deadangle>> all tho

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We all agree that Rosa would be the best lay, right?

>>136116864
But how am I supposed to find her?

>>136094987
small bombs.

>>136116903
>beatrice.jpg

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Who can't finish Episode 8? When are you fags going to finish it?

Been on hold for 3 years

>>136117137
Why?

Alright seacats, I present to you the following dilemma.

Say you are in a large room with Rosa standing by your side and Kyrie standing in front of you 10 meters away. The only way out of the room is for the other 2 to be dead.

Kyrie is pointing a gun at you. You also have a gun, but if you try to raise it, Kyrie with 100% certainty will kill you.
Both yours and kyries gun only contain 1 bullet.
If Kyrie kills you, Rosa will pick up your gun and shoot Kyrie in the time it takes Kyrie to try and run over to contest over the remaining gun.

What is the best option for each character to act in this scenario?

>>136117726
Everyone drops their guns and has sex with me.

>>136117726
I'd give Rosa the gun. She'd get shot by Kyrie and I'd shoot Kyrie with Rosa's gun.

>>136117726
Tell Kyrie that if she drops her gun I will drop mine
If it doesn't work I throw the gun behind Rosa and then get away from both of them
Rosa would probably try to pick the gun to defend herself and Kyrie would kill her since an armed person is more dangerous than an unarmed person, leaving her with no bullets and me with a loaded gun since I'm the one closest to Rosa
This only works if only you know the amount of bullets each gun has but it's probably the safest way to do it
Using Rosa as a meatshield would also be a risky but viable strategy

>>136117726
Kyrie will only shoot you if you raise it, so if you crouch down and shoot from the same position the gun was at, you should be fine.

About the shit flinging earlier in the thread, I am sure that Yasu murdered people after the epitaph was solved, but not with the Beatrice personal as per the read truth. It is more likely that she was not working with Eva due to the behavior of Beato in the imaginary world. Nanjo being murdered by Yasu would match up with Will's "The culprit wields a mutable weapon" statement.

>>136118349
Haha, that cracked me up. nigga, Kyrie isn't a binary computer that only follows specificly programmed commands

>>136117726
In this situation Kyrie has the least power, since she absolutely cannot shoot, lest the remaining person shoots her.

I'd say anon and Rosa using this information can do whatever they want. Anon can even raise his gun at Kyrie, since Kyrie can't win in this situation and only shoot in a desperate attempt

>>136117726
The gun can't be raised, but if you angle it so it points away from her you can use a rangefinder, a digital balance, a wind gauge, and a computer with some ballistics simulations to find out where to shoot in order to get the bullet to ricochet and kill Kyrie. After that take her gun and claim Rosa as my wife.

>>136110865
It was proven mathematically that the earth is spherical back in Ancient Greece.

>>136111037
>>136111146
Basically Hume.jpeg again. Empericism is also a core theme in Umineko, as much as is subjectivity.

>>136117726
Give Rosa the gun. It is 100% certain that she will kill me if I raise it but there is no given probability of her killing me without the gun. A miracle could happen if I lounge to grab her gun as Rosa raises the gun and shoots Kyrie.

>>136118349
Haha.

>>136117726
I raise the gun and kill Kyrie before she finishes flipping the chessbaord

>>136117726
I tell Kyrie that she has no way of getting our of the room as she's in the worst position, and Ill make sure that anyone or anything she holds dear outside the room, I will make sure they are looked after if I survive. Then I raise my gun at her and hope I've appealed to her motherly insticts enough.

>>136118519
Will actually doesn't comment on Nanjo's death in ep 3, so you're out of luck. The 'mutable blade' is poison which was used to kill Krauss and Natsuhi. This was done by Eva. You are mixing culprits and murder tools.
You still have no proof as to how Yasu killed Nanjo or why.

>>136118519
>I am sure that Yasu murdered people after the epitaph was solved, but not with the Beatrice personal as per the read truth.
Also, you're basically going ''I don't really know it happen but I know I'm right, I just know it!''.

>>136117726
Best course of action for:
>Kyrie
Walk up to me and take my gun, kill me and Rosa
>Rosa
Shoot Kyrie, take her gun and shoot me
>Me
Since I can't raise my gun, or give it away (since they'd kill me), I tell Kyrie that Rudolf only loved Asumu, use the distraction to take her gun, kill Rosa and Kyrie.

>>136118898
>proven mathematically
Proven based on an observation made using an experiment, you already see where I'm going with this, right?

>>136121064
An experiment is still proof. Do I have to post Virgillia explaining the gremlins being the explanation of how TV work?

>>136121170
>An experiment is still proof.
A conclusive experiment *can* be proof. Because nothing is 100% objective in the world. The math was not accurate but was still pretty close.

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>>136115865
>>136116728
Don't you guys get it? Battler intentionally proposed the ridiculous bombs theory in the ep 4 tea party fight to shock Beatrice into laughing so hard she can't refute it with red in time before the time limits up.

His intellect is clearly far beyond your comprehension.

>>136121603
There was a time limit? It would be pretty funny if he made Beatrice laugh until the end of time.

>>136121704
I'm pretty sure I recall it being stated somewhere in episode 4 around where the blue text was introduced that at the end of each game the witches side has to refute each blue statement with red within 1 minute of the blue statement, and if they do the detective's side has to propose a new blue statement within 1 minute.

I don't really feel like looking for where this was said though.

>>136121770
I don't remember that but it doesn't matter.

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>>136117726
smile at the ladies and ask for a threesome.
At least you can go out with a big grin.

>>136121170
Well using that as example, what if you do open a TV and you find Gremlins in there?

>>136122070
Why don't you actually open up a TV and find out? Gremlins don't exist just like witches don't exist.

The power of witches is doing something with a natural explanation and being unable to provide said explanation, then hiding it as magic.
How else could TV work without little gremlins using their fingers to make images?

>>136122197
>Why don't you actually open up a TV and find out?
Because what I see there doesn't really mean a thing. How do I know I'm not prone to extreme selection bias?
I would have to open every single TV there is and find no Gremlins in there to certainly say that Gremlins do not exist. If I find a single Gremlin inside a TV my claim is invalidated and my explanation is worthless.

>How else could TV work without little gremlins using their fingers to make images?
I don't know.

I'd come up with a set of theories, construct an experiment for each theory that should disprove it and hope that only one of them remains at the end.