Theoretically speaking, with extra-precise DNA splicing, Catgirls could become a reality.
Would you support it?
Would you be against it?
I would fully support.
But only if they live like an average human, otherwise, that would be really sad
I hope you realise that as soon as (if at all) this becomes reality, you're gonna have a bunch of SJWs up your ass, not allowing you to own such a catgirl because she should have human rights since she's part human
It's either: genetically programmed to be obedient slaves, which would be pretty fucked up, or have full free will and thus behave like 3dpd bitches. Either way reality can't handle it.
Not necessarily. Being dumb isn't what keeps dogs from rebelling against us. They aren't rebelling because they generally feel no compulsion to. The undomesticated wolf however, is very difficult to control and even when tamed can be prone to violent outbursts and disobeying or ignoring orders, as well as being very difficult to teach in the first place. An intelligent companion race could be just as capable of philosophy and higher reasoning as humans while simply lacking the inherent psychological compulsion to do such selfish things as fight over resources or for their own liberation, simply because the instincts and dispositions that cause such self-serving (see: pursuant to winning the game of natural selection) behaviors are absent. If the creatures are created to see humans in a symbiotic role as providers or caretakers there is no reason to rebel because the very thought to do so is against their nature. Human intelligence may have evolved in the spirit of competition with other species but it is not itself a catalyst for a competitive nature. It is a tool like any other, be it the capacity for linguistic communication or webbed feet to assist in swimming.
Basically your catgirl can sit around your house and be cute for you as well as have the intelligence to come up with new recipes for you or engage you in philosophical debate for fun, while being psychologically attached to you with no potential to be unhappy in your care, so long as she's created to be that way. Though personally I'd want a cute canine girl to point out holes in my theories and help me improve my writing as I scratch her behind the ears and rub her belly.
After we kill every human with normal stupid way of thinking about anything, this would be possible. Why haven't we started genetically modifying humans already? We could build shit like spaceships and star powered virtual realities in the near future! And catgirls.
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Also please post more cute things. Please.
Only if they're programmed with the desire to be a slave race. Otherwise I'd feel like shit for owning what amounts to a slave.
Chop the humans and feed the cats, trust me, everything will be fine
50 points to the anon over here for actually using his brain.
>go to catgirl shop
>pick out a qt catgril with purple hair
>take her home
>catgril hasn't been housebroken yet, she runs outside and pees on my bushes while standing up
>realize it's actually a catboy
>catgirl store dressed up a catboy in a schoolgirl outfit and passed him off as a catgirl
>receipt says no refunds
The closest thing we can get is to get a
3D girlto wear cat ears and make cat noises. I fucked my ex with cat ears on, it wasn't that bad.
I am saving this because it is beautiful.
Honestly, I think one of the biggest issues would be making it not look really fucking bad. Giving girls cat ears on top of their head is all easy when hair is just a buncha lines, but integrating hair and fur would likely be difficult, and the lack of normal human ears (since they'd likely have to co-opt that) might make their heads look fucked up. Come to think, moving the ear canals and musculature around to accommodate the new ear placement would likely require a lot more than just gene splicing.
Also, I'm with >>136037920. I'd rather have catgirls and similar be modifications of humanity, not some attempt at a slave race (also, that would let us get the SJWs on our side, instead of having them trying to ban them for being sexist exploitation yada yada).
I just want to hug a cute catgirl and feed her 3 times a day.
Is that too much to ask?
It would require a really in-depth and thorough manipulation of homeobox genes and at this point it would be really fucking difficult when we don't know about 80% of intricate interactions undergoing between every single sequence of our genome. On top of that you'd have to do the same for cats, which is hard, but marginally easier than for humans since cat experimentation isn't banned as opposed to human experimentation, unless we count some eco-looneys.
oh god that's even better, but what the fuck is that sound that Chocola makes while being pat on the head
I'm not sure cats are relevant to creating catgirls at all. I doubt that the ears are an encapsulated design that you can copy-paste over like a lego brick, and the internal structures certainly won't be. I'm guessing that the ears would have to be designed from the ground up.
I've been long enough on /a/ to know what ethics discussions devolve too.
They're still fun
Put it this way. Catgirls are alive. If they are intelligent enough to consent to sex, then they're smart enough to be given rights, such as the right to NOT give consent. If they are not intelligent enough to give consent, then they'd fall under bestiality and animal abuse laws, regardless of human appearances.
VR or sexbots might end up falling under a similar issue; if it's intelligent enough to actually act as a companion or friend instead of a dumb chatbot with tits, it's gonna get rights.
No, copy-paste wouldn't work of course. But unveiling genetical mechanisms of cat ear formation would unveil perhaps something that could work as a building block, a foundation for human-cat ears. Then you could adjust parameters like size and fluffiness.
I am thrilled for the age when we will know most of our genome's functionality, alas working in the field, I doubt that age will come in this century's half. Or even in this century at all.
While I am against human experimentation, it's a given fact that it would speed-up research at break-neck speeds. We don't call ourselves specialists in mouse treatment for no reason.
Genetically engineered catgirls will never be a reality because no goverment would put a single fucking cent into a fetish and no mother or father would allow her/his daughter to be modified genetically for such thing
For catgirls to ever be a reality they would have to be possible by some sort of aesthetic operation consented by an adult
Which pretty much guarantees that loli Catgirls NEVER EVER
you people are discussing the pointless. you do NOT understand what genetics are capable of, and you lack creativity to see how solving this problem is so simple
but i am ignored. its fine. you will see how silly you were when it happens
Good luck with that, I study criminology and pretty much I can tell you that we have no scientific proof of any of the theories that try to explain criminal/degenerate behavior
Cat girls by genetic alterations are certainly possible, since DNA in the end works like a really convoluted, fucked up programming language.
The problem is that we don't fucking know even half of that language.
Don't forget the other factors that come with restructuring one of the five senses, namely:
Bone architecture, proper neural migration, synapsing AND correct mapping, which also brings the issue of how the brain might be restructured in order to accommodate, which is a whole 'nother mess.
Proper genetic manipulation is not enough, we'd also have to have a complete grasp of how to control developmental factors during embryonic growth.
Don't try to argue them. When confronted with people that defy common sense is better to try to catch them from their point of view instead of trying to remodel their incorrect ideas
Oh don't worry private investors certainly could be found for such a venture.
Now you can lobby certain ideas, but you can't lobby society and public opinion. And that's the snag.
I'd adopt one. The real question is if she'll have both pairs of ears. How will that whole thing work?
It's not really how (complex) genetics works. It's not like a series of independent code where you can just switch out the bit that says 'human ears' and put 'cat ears' in instead. You'd have to find a series of small sections that together work to go towards 'human ears' and switch them out for 'cat ears', but hope other things aren't 'read' from what you just spliced in so you don't end up with extremely small cat eyes just knocking around in human-sized sockets (or more likely in such a case, constant still-birth / spontaneous abortion).
I read an article recently about the whole CRISPR thing, and they mentioned a bunch of scientists who want to completely ban mods to the human line.
This seems kinda shitty. I mean, besides the obvious health / cognitive improvements we could get, I'm really hoping for the cosmetic kind too.
It comes with the odd moral question of is it okay to mod this into your children before they're even born, but I'm sure if it becomes third-world available that won't even really matter
They still couldn't be "for domestic use" or any fantasy shit like that, because if they're sentient and/or even part human, the international treaties against slavery kick in.
The only way we'll get catgirls is to be extraordinary musicians getting noticed by extradimensional monopolists who will summon you to their cybertechno-kemonomimi-world and transform you into a cute catgirl so that you can be part of his scheme to rule the world with Rock'n'Roll.
There is nobody in such third world countries that would do it (countries with no laws on the matter are too poor)
And even then
First world countries would go chimpout and persecute the creators, fighting for catgirls to be just like normal people and doing operations to remove the cat ears so the girls could live normal life. You would go to prison for "owning" one because "slavery"
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. A buncha shit within the head would need to be moved (like the ear canals), and other shit moved to accommodate that, and so on. I'm not sure how much the brain would need to be changed, though (unless it needs to be a different shape to accommodate the relocated equipment). Aren't our eyes linked to the back of the brain of some shit like that? I'd think they could just make a new nerve pathway from the new ear location to the same 'spot' on the brain.
You killed my boner
Next time I shall be the victor, anon, mark my words
Leaving the human ears intact, and making the cat ears purely aesthetic would probably be the easiest way to hack it. Avoids all of the problems with re-routing all the internal hardwear for hearing; they just have to create a ear structure.
then you'd be an anon of superior taste
Good shit, almost worthy of preservation
The changes to the wiring and structure would be drastic. Our heads are designed in a particular way, which also takes into account the positioning of our ears. The ear canals would be the least of our problems.
For example, detecting sound in the way we do is completely dependent on the interaction of the eardrum to your ossicles (the small-as-fuck bones in your ear) to the oval window of your cochlea, which are aligned horizontally more or less, which significant due to how our azimuthal receptive fields are set. To move the ears to a higher position would mean a redesigning of this set-up, leading to a change in the cochlea, which can also severely affect our sense of equilibrium or balance.
You may posit that we can just use the cat itself as a model, but the problem is that as bipedal creatures, our heads have been tilted forward due to adaptations, whereas cats remain as quadrupeds, making the interaction between how their ears are wired to their brain more forgiving.
And don't get me started on the brain, because
my autism literally cannot.
This is the best way, but let's be honest, we're too greedy to just stop at aesthetics. I mean, wouldn't you also like the ears to twitch just like the real deal?
Speaking of which, this anon >> 136038815 really hit the philosophical nail on the head. Structure is one thing, sentience and sapience is quite another.
The world needs more wolfu bros like you
I never thought that copying cats would be a good way to do it. My first thought on serious consideration was that there would be very little of value to copy from cats, and most of the new shit would have to be designed from the ground up.
I'm not sure how the aural balance system works, but isn't it somewhat about what is the 'norm'? It might still work after being relocated because the new location would be the 'norm' for the catgirl.
In any case, you're preachin' to the choir here. I'm a layman in this field, and it looks like a really complicated project to me, and you're using the real jargon words to explain how complicated it is, instead of me trying to explain the shit that looks like it'd be complicated to me.
As aesthetic-only ears: We might be able to give them some twitch, at least, by co-opting the deprecated muscles we have for our natural ears. Most people can't wiggle their ears anyway, but you might be able to design some new musculature to move the aesthetic cat-ears instead of the human ears, and figure out what human genes need to be active to give back ear-wiggling. (I'll gladly donate my DNA for use in creating catgirls. I can even wiggle my ears independently to some degree).
And now you're gonna tell me how that would be complicated as fuck, too, right?
You a researcher too? I don't meet too much of our kind around here. We could go back and forth, but you and I know full well that it would be pointless. Unless it's over a pint or two.
>I study criminology
Topest of keks I've done half a criminology degree because I had electives and crim is the easiest subject on both campuses I attended.
Also there are plenty of reasons for criminality just not one grand unified theory. Further there is a LOT of evidence that people don't like to talk about that links crime and genetics. Excluding obvious genetic change and abnormality and accounting for situational stressors you could certainly breed out criminality (given that the technology and skill to manipulate genes on that level was also developed). That would probably make us the slave race though.
>talks about physiology
>only knows five
There's five that we consciously deal with but there's more than five at play. Balance for example is an internally processed sense.
Popsci-taught layman here, autoimmune rejection is probably the biggest risk, but with 3D printing it might be possible in the future. Will still be expensive as fuck though and AR will probably do a better cosmetic job of it anyway.
Couldn't you introduce it generationally? You people are to focused on the cats and the genetics doing it in one sweep.
If you transplant the ears and wire them up to the same area things would be concerning, sure, but with any luck that's where plasticity comes in. As long as the transplanted ears are similar enough to the stock model to have some functionality with the pre-existing areas and tracts continuous transplants over a few generations would eventually produce of spring that is better equipped to deal with it. If you naturally alter the neural structure over time would the final step be figuring out how to genetically introduce the ears? While getting them wired up even with the now developed areas would be a nightmare, it would be more realistic than producing it from scratch with genetic coding.
Plastic surgery anon here, these ideas intrigue me.
>I study criminology and pretty much I can tell you that we have no scientific proof of any of the theories that try to explain criminal/degenerate behavior
That's social and psychological theory though, tailored specifically for humans and developed in the interest of understanding human behavior. Assuming we have reached the point where we can manufacture a self-replicating genome, we need not build catgirls from a human template, but can instead build them from scratch using what parts of the human genome we want, since by then we'd probably understand enough of it to know which genes do what, theoretically at least, though I'd think by then there would have been plenty of experimentation considering the importance of human genetics to medicine. Behavioral genetics would actually be the easier part, since what you can do by messing around with expression of proteins really only allows you to create a set of behavioral dispositions, and the rest of the work is to raise the subject in the correct environment to maximize the probability of getting the desired psychological product. Once the project has a V1.0 catgirl I'd the ones that have already developed the wanted psychological profile would probably be the most costly for the consumer, while those that require a fair bit of effort on the part of the owner to achieve desired behavior would be cheaper. Of course, the owner could probably offset some of the cost by getting a younger one from a higher-rated producer and training her themselves. Even if the brain is an enigma behavior modification is a game of cause and effect experimentation.
As other anons said, a bigger challenge would be creating anatomy that is both functional and appealing to the customer, since that is a hell of a lot more complicated than "give her X enzyme and see what happens."
I'm sure there are tons of issues that haven't even occurred to me. We'll probably colonize space first. I'm just an overoptimistic transhumanist.
>Not even in bio-engineering.
Bioengineering is more about explicit medical technology, at least as it's taught at my school. The tissue engineering focus bridges the gap somewhat but it's still an emerging field and even then they're more interested in the products of the genes than the genes themselves. A lot of people take the introduction class expecting to do genetics and drop out disappointed.
How is it? I'm thinking of trying for radiology once I finish my BE undergraduate since I like playing with those imaging machines and looking at redundant images in a dark room is already what I spend most of my free time on.
There are some bodymod enthusiasts who stick bits of plastic in their foreheads to give themselves horns / weird bumps. I think the easiest solution, even maybe possible with today's tech, would be to do that same thing on top of the head with some mechanical cat ears covered in a bio-neutral material. No need to go with actual parts of cats, that's gross
Yeah, but that stuff usually looks revolting. Catgirls lose their cute if it's a bunch of gross ass shit grafted onto a person's bod man.
Best left to dreams.
Oh no. That would be horrible. And then they keep you as a human slave and your entire purpose is to satisfy the desires of your catgirl mistress with head scratches and cuddling for the 14 hours a day she's asleep because you're warm and she's softly purring the whole time
Men, we must work together to keep the catgirls from ever breaking free
>And then they keep you as a human slave and your entire purpose is to satisfy the desires of your catgirl mistress with head scratches and cuddling for the 14 hours a day she's asleep because you're warm and she's softly purring the whole time
I fucking love /a/'s cat/doggirl threads.
I'm here because of threads like this.
Android is less of a hassle (No need to eat, drink, use toilet, etc), can customize parts (eg swap bust sizes (Assuming modular design)), and can download alternate personalties.
I can't hear you over the song of how fucking cute Mikan is.
If we ever got to that point it'd be likely that humans would have started advancing physically and cognitively not just atheistically. Either our enlightenment condemns this mistreatment of others and frivolous creation of life or we go full pragmatic and a caste system is created based on genetic capabilities i.e some people would legitimately just be better and more important than other purely because they've been engineered past what the other is capable of.
Whoever takes the napkin will decided it.
>but you can´t fuck them
What about the ones you can fuck?
>Forgetting that the Japs literally have sex robots already
Biggest issue is the surrounding morals behind it.
Of course, we only find the morals to be bad because we're doing something. No one would ever consider it morally wrong for humans to find babies cute, but for modified catgirls to be programmed to like humans would be considered immoral.
Another issue is the line between human and catgirl. If they're just like humans, but a subclass in the eyes of the law, you can bet companies are going to abuse the fuck out of them. Our cute pets would become the literally slaves of the new world while we're all stuck at home on welfare because our jobs are outsourced to catgirls that by law aren't required to be paid as they are not human.
If they're not like humans, and only look human, then the question is why bother? Unless you want to have sex with them, a catgirl that looks like a girl but with only the intelligence of a cat is getting into uncanny valley.
>Biggest issue is the surrounding morals behind it.
I don't see any moral issues with sex robots unless someone has managed to secretly develop conscious strong AI. As it stands they're just really expensive onaholes.
If I were to have my way the catgirls would be classified as a subspecies of human as even if they are somehow developed with a genome different enough from ours to be considered a separate species they would have been artificially created in our image to be a version of us that we wished to give life to. "Homo sapiens nekomimicus" or something. Actually, by the time that happens there would probably be a system already in place for decades that is meant to integrate man-made species into the greater taxonomy. Therefore, as a human subspecies it would stand to reason that catgirls, though possessing innate psychology that makes them prefer symbiotic pet-master relationships with humans, would by virtue of having the same capacity for intelligence and independent thought as the rest of us (or perhaps even more; since they're not bound by the limits of reproductive evolution why not make them cute, dependent geniuses to help advance humanity as a whole?) have the same basic rights.
My Ancient Greek Philosophy professor used to talk about the modern separation between philosophy and science, and how science can't answer everything like many seem to think. I have a hard time getting interested in studying philosophy, though. I've read works of many of the big names, but while I enjoy seeing how modern ethics was shaped, little of it really clicks with me morally.
>Get your state alchemist license taken away
>mudslime breaks into your house and proceeds to murder the fuck outta your catgirl daughteru before killing you
It's what would happen in reality too.
I got a cat right now who just follows me everywhere I go and wants constant affection, but also gives it back. It's pretty good desu senpai. I still want someone to do all my work so I can be lazy with my catgirl.
We're biological machines created to propagate our genes. I'd much rather be a biological machine created to be cute, happy, and make other people happy.
If anything, making catgirls is more ethically defensible than created another pig disgusting, depressed, worthless human.
Life has no meaning, neither the catgirl's nor your's.
No intrinsic meaning, anyway.
We're only alive because our parents got horny and forgot to use rubbers, or felt compelled to reproduce because God said to.
>tfw my life is less meaningful than an engineered fuckdoll.
Jesus Christ imagine the politics surrounding this. Next thing you know they will be voting and feminists will be trying to liberate their sexuality, unpurifying them.
I don't know if its worth it.
>mply lacking the inherent psychological compulsion to do such selfish things as fight over resources or for their own liberation
This would require some high sophisticated levels of bio-engineering in order to put into catgirls, and even then I don't see it working in a sapient species, for as I can recall, men have and continue to defy whatever should evolutionary sensible in terms of preservation and reproduction.
I'm a cat person but doggirls are admittedly way cuter