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So I've heard nothing but good reviews about this show and the opening seems legit enough to peek my interest. Is it worth sitting through the whole fate series in order to view this show properly or should I just watch it?
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Go read tsukihime, kt, fsn, and ha. Also play mb.
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>>136015822
That's a lot of work man.
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>>136015822
Wait I heard Tsukihime wasn't even good. You mean I have to suffer through that also?
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And what order do I even watch the fate series in? There are too damn many. And I was told not even to watch Fate Zero because it's not cannon. Wtf do I do????
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>>136016211
>Wait I heard Tsukihime wasn't even good
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lolol
Prism is better.
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>>136016591
What is Prism? This isn't helping anybody.
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>>136015633
Just watch it
its mostly filled with jokes that only fans will get anyway
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>>136016741
Can I skim by just watching the original fate series? Will I get most of the humor in it?
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>>136016792
Really, it is worth going through TYPE MOON anyway. Carnival Phantasm does stand on it's own, but you are only sapping the potential enjoyment of the series. It's like watching Zero before reading the VN.
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Play the VN, nigga
All the routes
Then watch
The tsukihime bits can be fairly easily picked up on; I watched it while in the middle of playing the VN and I still thought it was hilarious
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If you want to get most of the inside jokes youl need to know the stories. It can still be enjoyable just watching CP but no where near as funny.
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>>136017156
So quick and easy what do I need to watch and in what order. I'm not going to be able to play any of the visual novels.
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>>136017543

>>136015822
This guy said it. If you read them for a few hours each night, you can finish tsukihime in a week and a half, kt in a weekend, and fsn in 3 weeks. Everything anime related (tsukihime's anime, fsn deen, etc) should either be skipped or watched after you've read the source. if you have the ability to watch anime, how can you not read a vn?
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>>136017543
There is no "quick and easy" for Type Moon. Read the Visual Novels.

Both Tsukihime and Fate start off with weak routes (Arcueid's and Saber's, namely), but once you get past those things get interesting.

Type Moon anime adaptations are almost never good. The only serviceable ones are Fate/Zero and Carnival Phantasm, both of which are to be watched after you read F/SN and Tsukihime.
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>>136018495
UBW's alright, and KnK is better than Zero.
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>>136018495
>F/Z
>just serviceable
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>>136018495
how long is the LN?
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>>136018573
>KnK
>better than Zero
Look, I like KnK but it's a fucking mess story-wise. Thematically, it's nebulous as fuck, and the dialogue is nonsense. The characters are all underdeveloped too, so their interactions come off as melodramatic a lot of the time.

It's still worth watching for sure, but it's nowhere near as good as F/Z.

>>136018671
I love F/Z to bits, but a lot of people on this board hate it for some reason so I used something broad and innocuous like "serviceable".

>>136018730
Four volumes, if I remember right. They're all translated.
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>>136019109
People like you are the reason that people on /a/ don't like Zero.

>KnK is thematically nebulous
>Its dialogue is nonsense
>The characters are all poorly developed
>It's melodramatic
>But I just LOVE Fate/Zero

Just about every weakness you cited for KnK is also applicable to Zero, or else it makes another mistake along the same lines. For example, Zero does a bit of a better job at actually developing some of its characters than KnK, but it does a horrible job at actually having likable characters. Despite both series having fucking psychopaths for main characters.
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>>136015633
Just watch it. It's even a better retelling of the Holy Grail War than all other Fate/Stay Night adaptations combined.
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>>136016433
>And I was told not even to watch Fate Zero because it's not cannon. Wtf do I do????
Don't listen to them is still the only Fate anime worth watching.
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>>136018495
>arcueid
>weak
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>>136015633
>view this show properly
read Tsukihime
read Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
read Kagetsu Tooya
play Melty Blood: ReACT
play Melty Blood: Act Cadenza Ver. B
play Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code

read FSN
read FHA
read F/Z

also read and watch Prisma Illya
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>>136019279
>Just about every weakness you cited for KnK is also applicable to Zero
Yep. Every TM work has these problems, actually.
>Zero does a bit of a better job at actually developing some of its characters than KnK
"A bit" of a better job? It's fucking bounds ahead of KnK in the character department.
>it does a horrible job at actually having likable characters
Who says characters have to be "likable" to be good?
>Despite both series having fucking psychopaths for main characters.
Kiritsugu, as lame as some of his development was, was much more satisfying to watch than Shiki, who doubled back on her already barely established ideals for no particular reason. The revelation that she was never a killer was also pissweak as fuck, and very poorly explained.

>>136019441
Arcueid's route was a piss in the fucking wind and you know it.
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>>136019279
While I'm here, if you actually think F/Z is thematically nebulous, then you're a fucking idiot. It's got the exact opposite problem, if anything. It beats you over the head with its themes throughout the entire thing.
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>>136019808
>Kiritsugu, as lame as some of his development was, was much more satisfying to watch than Shiki
I disagree. It's much more interesting to watch someone actually struggle with their behavior and impulses.
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>>136019808
>Arcueid's route was a piss in the fucking wind and you know it.
Her route in the manga was great, though.
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>>136016433
READ Fate/stay night, watch Fate/Zero READ Tsukihime, read Kagetsu Tohya, play/read Melty Blood, watch Carnival Phantasm. ez.
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Any has of you guys a link to the VN background resources of Stay Night?
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>>136016211
You play the VN. Same for Fate stay night. The anime are mediocre, the only good one is Carnival Phantasm.
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>>136016433
Don't listen to the fags trying to get you to waste countless hours on the shit that is Fate/Nasuverse. Here's how you get to the non-shit bits:

>read F/SN's wikipedia article
>read tsukihime's wikipedia article
>watch Carnival Phantasm
>optional: watch the first half of F/Z
>optional: read/watch Prisma Illya, if that's your kind of thing

And that's how to do it if you don't want to read through hours upon hours of terribly written crap.
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You should read the VNs solely for the sake of reading them and then appreciate CP at the end as a very nice bonus. Most of the humor comes from knowing the characters and the events that take place in the main works. There is no shortcut.
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>>136022329
You can post as many bait images as you want. They won't improve upon the mess that is the Nasuverse. Reading through all that shit just to get to the few good parts is just a waste of time.
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>>136022439
If you don't enjoy it, why not just tell people to skip it, then? No point in just picking out parts from a story when the whole can't be enjoyed.
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>>136022495
>why not just tell people to skip it, then
That is precisely what I did.

>No point in just picking out parts from a story when the whole can't be enjoyed.
The point is enjoying the actually enjoyable parts. How is that so hard to understand?
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>>136022495
>responding to the most obvious bait in history
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>>136022311
Can we stick to calling it Phantasm for short and not CP.
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Legendary intro is legendary
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uvbaM-URygs
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>>136015633
Read Fate/SN, watch Fate/Zero,read fate/hollow ataraxia, read tsukihime, read kagetsu tohya, play melty blood(all of them), play fate/extra, watch kara no kyoukai. It took me a year finishing all that before i could watch carnival phantasm
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>>136022582
What's wrong with CP? It's a perfectly fine acronym for Carnival Phantasm.
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>>136022917
You can skip KnK if you want, since you only miss a couple background cameos if you do, and arguably you can skip Extra as well, which is only relevant for one Taiga Dojo.

I mean, your list already leaves out Notes, and skipping Notes makes you miss one of the cameos in the finale.
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The Intro of this anime is what made me want to watch it in the first place. All the posts in the Op/Endng threads and threads specifically dedicated to this intro alone. I've decided what I'm going to do and have already started my quest.
1. Watch Fate stay night. (Currently four episodes in)
2. Watch five episodes of Tsukihime and then decide if I want to drop it.
3. Skip Prisma Illya entirely for now as it seems do have nothing to do with the main series.
4. Wiki the rest of the shown and watch best moments videos on YouTube.
5. Phantasm out.
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>>136023030
>watch
Already wrong. Have fun wasting time with garbage adaptions.
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>>136023030
You've already fucked up hard. There's only one way out now.
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>>136023046
>>136023055
I'm sorry guys I don't read visual novels as I've already stated before in this thread. What do you think I am? Some kind of neeerrd.
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>>136023134
>Look at me I'm so much better than the rest of you losers
The fact that you even come to this website proves that you aren't. Not to mention all the free time you waste between here and anime.

So stop being a whiny fuck and read the VNs.
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On the flip side I'm enjoying the fuck out of Fate stay. The plots seems amazing.
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>>136023175
I was just messing around. I don't hold myself higher than anybody. VNs are just really not my thing.
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>>136023223
Then why do you want so badly to get into a franchise that's objectively inferior if you don't go the VN route?
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>>136023012
i forgot to add Notes
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>>136023134
Tsukihime doesn't have an anime adaptation. It does have an anime very loosely based off it. If you want a shortened version of the story, you could read the manga. You do need to read through Kagetsu Tohya since I don't think there's any adaptation of that, manga or anime. Melty Blood has a manga, but I'm not sure how thorough that is, so it would be better to go through the Story Modes found in the older versions before Actress Again.

Fate has a better track record with anime adaptations, but it's still better to read the VN. I haven't looked into it myself, but there might be manga adaptations for the routes if you want to look for those. You can probably just get away with reading F/SN and not F/HA, although you will miss out on a few jokes.

It shouldn't be a situation where you need to eat your veggies before you get dessert, but you really should try to enjoy these other works before watching a parody of them or else you won't get the full enjoyment out of it.
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>>136023280
Because of all the Phantasm hype mostly. After i watched the intro it sort of sealed the deal for me that this is an anime I must view.
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>>136023223
that's what i thought first, but my point of view changed after i read f/sn
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>>136015633
>hey guys, I've heard really good things about Space Balls, should I watch it even though I've never seen star wars and know nothing about the setting in general?
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>>136022764
the maid look like they are from that actress fighting game...
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>>136023332
>Melty Blood has a manga, but I'm not sure how thorough that is,
It does a decent job of introducing Sion and Miyako as characters, but doesn't cover anything past the original game. Also it changes the setting to a route in which Satsuki is dead, and replaces a Nrvnqsr TATARI avatar with a Satsuki TATARI avatar as the midboss.

Then there's the Melty Blood X manga which seems to take place after Actress Again, and the new manga that crosses over with Fate/Grand Order, but which isn't translated yet. But those have no bearing on CP.
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>>136023394
Which is why I'm going to watch some of the shows mentioned? You don't need to watch every stars wars movie and read all the books to enjoy space balls. You could watch the first three and that would be enough.
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>>136023426
They are.

>>136023441
Satsuki dies in the manga? Guess I'm not reading that.
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>>136023450
If we continue the analogy, then just watching the FSN and Tsukihime anime before going into CP is like reading the manga adaptation of A New Hope and watching the Star Wars Holiday Special before watching Spaceballs.
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>>136023450
Watching the majority of shows for Type Moon stuff is like reading the novelizations of Star Wars.
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>>136023450
I suppose I can't blame you for not knowing, but in that analogy, playing the original VNs would be like watching the original three movies, whereas watching the shitty anime adaptions would be like reading a few shitty expanded universe comics and calling it a day.
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Theoretically if I did want to read the visual novels how would I even do it? I most likely won't but I'll think about it if the series is that amazing. Do you have to buy them?
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>>136023465
are they part of the fate universe or just same creator?
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>>136023528
You can't really buy them in English, unfortunately, so you have to find a patch for a copy or download it pre-patched. TPB should have them.

>>136023529
Yeah, they're two of the main girls from Tsukihime.
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>>136023529
It's not the "Fate universe," it's the Nasuverse, because there was already a ton of shit in the universe before Fate/Stay Night came along and there has been shit after it that didn't bear the Fate/ name.

But yes, Melty Blood and Fate/Stay Night are in the same universe. Multiverse, to be accurate.
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>>136023528
Yes, you have to buy them straight from japan, install them in japanese with a japanese copy of windows, then translate the whole thing yourself with a pen and notepad while scanning the pages into a PDF for you to reread later.
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>>136023529
>fate universe
Fate already spans a few universes by itself. Tsukihime takes place in the same universe as Stay Night.
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>>136023566
Is everything about this series complicated? This show is from the 1990s and is popular and you're telling me you have to jump through loops to find a translated version?
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>>136023577
huh, so same universe as in Marvel universe with cross overs? or something more meta?
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>>136023668
If you're unfamiliar with using torrents, then you have a long way to go to become a modern day anime fan.

Not to add more confusion, but there is a safe for work version of F/SN and the original that has sex scenes in it. Tsukihime only has its original version with sex scenes, so if you want to avoid that, you could read the manga, but you'll miss out on the maids' routes.
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>>136023741
Pretty much. I can't quite remember what it was in, but Shirou, the MC from F/SN, meets up with Ciel from Tsukihime in an official Type Moon work. There are a lot of crossover doujin by other writers than Nasu, so it gets a bit confusing keeping track of everything.
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>>136023633
>Tsukihime
I have only seen fate Zero and haven't had the time to get invested in much else. the concept of this multiverse structure seems interesting though. how does it work exactly? is it like zelda majorias mask where all characters are the same but r- purposed in another world, or am I way off?
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>>136016211
I enjoyed Tsukihime way more than Fate shit/night.
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>>136023799
so like characters form rave master and fairy tail intersecting... that kind of thing?
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>>136023748
That was the only reason I was even considering them in the first place if you know what I mean. Dibs on Rin.
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>>136023810
People might make the argument that characters from Tsukihime were put in a blender and refined a little to make F/SN characters, but there aren't any that are the exact same as another. One can see parallels, though, like the mentor character and the tragic heroine. The MCs are pretty different from each other in both their personalities and design-wise since Tsukihime's kind of comes off as more of a self-insert than F/SN's initially.
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>>136023741
>>136023799
No. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The VNs take place in multiple universes, but no actual dimensional travel is involved. It's a Many Worlds Hypothesis setting; every branching path in the VN is technically a parallel universe to every other path. This is a fundamental part of the universe all of the Nasuverse stories are set in, but it very rarely actually comes into play beyond meaning that all endings, good and bad, are canon, and in a few cases that certain stories take place in timelines alternate to other stories after a clearly defined divergence point. But actual travel between parallel universes has only happened twice in any Nasuverse story or game those being Melty Blood: Actress Again and Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Ilya, and any direct interaction between parallel universes BESIDES travel has only happened at most a handful of times on-screen or on-panel.

It's a huge deal when it does.
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>>136023835
Exactly. Same writer and same illustrator.
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>>136023926
>all these newfags in this threads who don't know where to get the fucking VN, much less avoiding reading the VN
where were u when /a/ was kill?
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>>136023916
Wait, by bad, travel between parallel dimensions has happened three times. I forgot about Fate/Labyrinth.
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Feels like shit being a Nasuverse fan, all they do is rehash Fate for over a decade.
I just want something new already.
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>>136024114
Not just Fate itself, they literally recycle the same character from it over and over.

>(Takashi) Takeuchi's Noble Phantasm is Unlimited King of Knights (無限の騎士王, Mugen no Kishi ) - "The mind of a human who pursues the blonde-haired female knight he adores until the utmost limit. Employing all his skills, an infinite number of characters similar to Saber will be given life. A great delusion that erodes the stance of the company."
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>>136024114
You can call it more Fate rehashing as much as you want, but a lot of the newer shit seems to be elaborating on new things. Fate/Grand Order has dropped huge lore bombs pretty recently involving King Solomon and the Grand Servants that might be the 7 Heroic Spirits that were mentioned to have fought Primate Murder in an old interview and speculation regarding Merlin and possibly even Type-Mars, and there's even a Melty Blood manga that involves members of the Chaldea Organization from GO and might eventually connect them to the Atlas Institute. Fate/Strange Fake has elaborated on Dead Apostles and how they relate to and interact with Heroic Spirits and Noble Phantasms. Waver has been connecting and expanding a bit upon a number of individuals from other stories between their appearances in his Case Files series (including Aozaki Touko and Luvia Edelfelt, WITHOUT Rin) and his appearances in other works (including the aforementioned Strange Fake as well as Fate/Labyrinth).

So while it may not be totally new shit, the preexisting shit has started to get better connections made.
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You don't need to watch or read any VN. Literally just google all the characters, learn about them, google the series, read a summary of said series. Bam, you know everything you need to know to watch this show.
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>>136024485
No, you need to play the porn games to truly understand the intricacies of the deep and intriguing story of "Cooking with Shiro".
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>>136024485
Why bother actually watching or reading anything when you can just read about it on Wikipedia?
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>>136023861
It's beyond easy to find.
Hell, you could actually google the damn thing and it shows up.
Just get BitTorrent first so you can use the exe.
It's super easy and you really have no reason not to do it.

Also, Rin loves smoking. Almost too much. She also loves to drive a car inside of her house and kick Sakura off her bed when she jumps on it
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>>136019109
>Zerofag claiming his mediocre spinoff is as good as the best Type-Moon work
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>>136015633
it´s like random and full of memes but i wouldnt say i had shit time with first episode it was flashy and fun
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